The brouhaha over plans to build George W. Bush’s $200 million presidential library at Southern Methodist University in Dallas is getting nasty. Some faculty members opposed to Bush’s policies and the Iraq war fear the library and related think tank will hurt SMU’s reputation. Now, Methodist ministers across the nation are trying to stop the plan, arguing that the “linking of his presidency with a university bearing the Methodist name is utterly inappropriate.” But all this seems shortsighted. Any presidential library brings prestige and economic development to its host university and community. And one thing is certain about the Bush presidency: For better and worse, it will fascinate historians for all time.
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Are you kidding me?
Everyone that comes near this walking disaster gets flattened.
Look at the bodies Worst President Ever leaves in his wake:
Colin Tons and Tons of WMD’s Powell
FCC Chair Michael Monopolies are Good Powell
Ari The Liar Fleischer
Scott Can’t Talk about an Ongoing Investigation McClellan
Jack Never Heard of Him Abramoff
Harriett Up or Down Vote Miers
Donald Utterly Disgraced Rumsfeld
George Dumped Chump Tenet
Larry Fat Boy Lindsey
Lewis Scooter into Jail Libby
Christie Oil Industry Toad Whitman
Paul O’Screwed O’Neil
Andrew The Joker Card
Adm. John Felonious Poindexter
John The Prick Bolton
Thomas Enron Profiteer White
John He’s Outta Here Negroponte
John Snow Job Snow
Ken I’m Totally Gay Mehlman
Gen Jay Say Buh-bye Garner
Richard Satan Perle
Paul Beelzubub Wolfowitz
Ahmed Wouldn’t Piss on Him if He Were on Fire Chalabi
Gale Right to Pollute Norton
You shake hands with this man and you’re cursed for life.
No wonder no Texas college wants to have anything to do with him.
Now Capt, lets not be rash I think there should be a museum dedicated to this President. Other wise he would be forgotten. And you know what they say: “Those that forget the passed are doomed to repeat it!” . I think the last one that it is recorded saying it was Hitler. But it would need to be true and just, all the secret memos from Gonzales about how the President can usurp the law and the Constitution. All of Chenney’s and Rumsfield notations about how to torture prisoners. yes only the proven facts so if this country ever gets righted again. We will remember the results of the American people paying more attention to who wins American Idol and less to the attempts to undermine the American way.
Captain, your list is great!A couple of others:Michael D horsein around BrownElaine on your overtime Chao. Wait a minute, she hasn’t been thrown to the wolves yet….Why would any University want to be associated with this man’s library? Put it next to Johnson’s library in Dallas. It will probably be a mirror reflection, having only a small number of books on the Iraq war, as Johnson’s has only a small section on the Vietnam war.The video section would be headed by a special tribute: “The Great Gatsby, Texas style”.
Would there be a strapado and a crank operated dynamo in the display cases? If so, I’m for it.
I think a Coleman tent would would suffice to hold those apple crates full of comic books. After all, how many crates could it take- after having heard him speak?
Is No Child Left Behind really Bush’s autobiography?
“You shake hands with this man and you’re cursed for life.”
Although I get your point, I would just like to point out this isn’t completely true. I shook his hand and I’m completely fine.
History will judge Mr. Bush. I suspect they will be a lot more discerning and thoughtful than CapnHateBush.
KomradeAmerika is a one-trick pony: “I hate Bush”
He’s made that clear about 138976190876 posts ago.
They are gonna have a library for bush?
WHY? The man hates books. He is famous for being intellectually un curious.
A bush library could fill one room and would likely look a lot like a comic book emporium.
“On the left, you’ll see the Presidents coloring books and his collection of yo yos. Now on the right is the former Presidents RISK game, complete with his own “BUSHland” drawn with magic marker.
Junior,The president has two degrees – including one from Yale. What do you have?
I’ve never even drove by Yale,and I’ve got something every president should have…….COMMON SENSE!
What a waste of money, a library honoring a man who could barely speak, read, or think.Oh well, just like the Holocaust Museum, it will serve as a reminder to everyone of what can happen when a world leader thinks he’s omnipotent.
Mary, HA & touche’!
Hold on here… Does a Church with PEACE as a central core of its beliefs, really want a Presidential Library of a man who insisted on waging WAR, as a part of one of their prestigious universities?? I would think not.. That would be somewhat like a Jewish University, with a memorial to pork producers, dont you think??
well testicles is a methodist, and he seems to like Bush. But he’s about the only one.
Because I like the fairly LIBERAL Methodist church.
And if it were my school, I’d disown it for wanting his library there too.
Maybe they should put Bush’s library at Barton County Community College? LOL.
Yeah, Chas.Who would Jesus bomb?The “war preznut”?
They can’t put it there.Us Methodists are way too reasonable.We support ESC research, welcome gays, believe evolution is fact, etc.
Totally incompatible.
“On the left, you’ll see the pResidents two degrees and the note from his father instructing the schools to issue the degrees on pain of special attention from the CIA”
Methodist Church: abortion is always evil.
I would like to suggest that if SMU doesn’t want the GW Bush Presidential Library, Texas A&M should consider a “shrub branch” to the GHW Bush Presidential Library. :)
Gee that’s odd flogtesticles, I know many prochoice Methodists.
Hey, didn’t you say YOU were prochoice?
Oh, I see.
We are back to Bush is stupid.
Tomorrow he will be the evil genius again.
Flip, Flop, Flip, Flop.
Really, if anyone here is the unintelligent one, it would be the person implying that Bush is dumb.
Even then, it doesn’t say much about the Democrats, being beat twice by someone they allege is sitting around doodling in a color book.
So much for trying to have an intelligent conversation with a group of bloggers who can’t seem to get past the elementary school level of insults towards a man who is more successful in life than they will ever be!
The United Methodist Church does not condone the practice of homosexuality and consider this practice incompatible with Christian teaching
Ha Ha Nathan! I agree, I wouldn’t mind listening to the insults half as much if they would just pick one and go with it:)
Nathan- Sounds to me that your presumed 2 wasted votes are starting to smart!
For a serious comment; if the SMU Trustees don’t want it, they can (if the library is planned to be built on the campus, or on other real estate the university owns) simply decline. This is, I suspect, what the protestors are aiming for.
It is interesting to me that until FDR, IIRC, there were no Presidential Libraries/Museums. Subsequent to FDR, it has become mandatory, it seems, to have such a center for each President; to hold his papers, provide a place for historians to research, and to create an edifice for “ordinary people” to visit.
And Rhonda? I don’t think the folks in Dallas and at SMU are too concerned about the eco-devo effects of having such a library; I suspect that any such benefits will be at best a mere ripple in the overall pond of the local economy there.
Hey Nutzie – we don’t count the degrees that ‘daddy’ bought. What else you got?
I think the Methodist ministers have every right to voice their objections. After all, it is their religious affiliated school that is being considered for the Bush Library.
Personally, I don’t care either way. History will judge George W. Bush. But until that time, we will have to live with whatever the man says and does – unfortunately.
Besides, if SMU doesn’t want his library – I’m sure Laura Bush will bat her lovely little eyes and get what she wants. After all, SMU is HER alma mater.
If George W Bush is so successful then why has he run so many businesses to the ground? He was elected to governor in Texas where just the mere Bush name will get you votes. The man did not win the popular vote in 2000 but his brother Jeb and Katharine Harris saw to it that he ‘won’ the votes in Florida so the Supreme Court had to install GWB as president. I would not call that a resounding election result that year.
So for your premise that Bush is really smart and a genius, I would have to see alot more proof than what Nathan or Golfnut has to present.
I don’t have a source, but it’s been widely reported that Bush got better grades at Yale than Kerry did. And, you simpletons can claim “Daddy bought his degree” all you want…where’s the proof?
METHODIST CHURCH:ESC research is not abortion.
so you think Daddy’s money can’t buy better grades than Kerry?
Money can buy anything.
“On the right, you’ll see one of the Presidents personal televisions. You’ll notice that all channels other than FOX news and the cartoon channel have been removed.”
Balls, I can give the same argument I gave woody about GW.No matter how smart, nice, sincere, dedicated, and all things good, GW is and can be………IF he were your employee,bankrupting your business,and pissing off the rest of the world in a general way…….would you keep him?
If so, I have a few employees I wish you would take off my hands.
When does George W. Bush provide proof of anything? Case in point, his complete National Guard Service records – where are they?
……still waiting on proof from cs that “daddy bought Dubya’s degrees”
Tracy,He’s not an employee. He’s the CEO. And we’re in a war. He didn’t start 9/11 – the terrorists did. He’s making sure we don’t have another one.
I’m proud of what he’s doing. I WANT him as my CEO. I can’t imagine how weak we’d be if Pelosi was the boss.
If you would read the postings and not try to get off topic like you usual M.O. – and where is your proof that daddy did not buy the degrees?
I seem to recall it being widely reported that Dubya was a wild drinker and a party boy. When did he find time between hangovers to get those good grades and those two degrees? Huh?
where’s your proof?
cs -you made the claim:we don’t count the degrees that ‘daddy’ boughtPosted by: cs | January 19, 2007 at 09:40 AM
Where’s your proof?
I would be proud of him too if GWB had attacked the terrorists that attacked us – in Afghanistan. Bush took us to Iraq which has been proven to not have anything to do with 9/11.
The US had the support of the world when 9/11 happened and he squandered all the goodwill when he attacked Iraq. And this is a smart CEO? No wonder Bush’s businesses failed. Lack of good judgement.
The Bush Library at my alma mater seems incongrous, since, to my knowledge, he has, nor has had, any ties with SMU ever. Ahhhh, for the simpler times. All they had to do for the Clinton Library was take the wheels off in a vacant lot! :)
……still waiting on proof from cs that “daddy bought Dubya’s degrees”
To do something that you’re famous for Nutzie – let’s parse words okay?
I’m sure Daddy Bush paid for dubya’s degrees or did GWB take out student loans to pay for them?
There’s the proof you so desperately seek – but where’s your proof that George W. is right about Iraq? Where’s your proof that there really were WMDs?Where’s your proof that all the other military generals are wrong in their assessment of the war and GWB is the ONLY one who is correct?
Where’s your proof Nutzie?
“…I would be proud of him too if GWB had attacked the terrorists that attacked us – in Afghanistan…”
We did.
“I seem to recall it being widely reported that Dubya was a wild drinker and a party boy. When did he find time between hangovers to get those good grades and those two degrees? Huh?”
I’m not going to argue one way or the other, but that is a weak argument. I’ve had friends who have gotten engineering degrees with 4.0 averages at one of the top engineering schools in the country and they partied at LEAST 5 days of the week, oftentimes still drunk in class. And that was engineering, not a liberal arts degree! And there was no way that their parents bought those degrees.
cs- “where is your proof that daddy did not buy the degrees?”
come on, your asking to prove a negative. That something did not happen.That’s absurd.TODAY’S LESSON: Think before you post.
cs,Please try to stay on topic. So, you’re saying that when you said “daddy bought his degrees” you were talking about paying for the tuition?
Just trying to clarify.
Just another case of professors thinking they can rule the universe. History will judge GWBs presidency much more realistically than we can in the midst of it. The hatred spewed here is almost comical. I love it when they start talking stolen election, his lack of intelligence, his dad’s money, I could go on and on. He had two degrees. No one has any proof that his daddy bought them. The Gore’s were rolling in dough and Al had to leave with no degree because of bad grades. It doesn’t sound like they were for sale. Where is the proof of all these allegations. I’ll just bet it ends up at SMU after all the posturing by the very liberal profs and the subsequent media attention they have grabbed.
Maybe the lesson for today is to try to tick off nutzie and see him have a meltdown – like he always does when GWB is being questioned.
i don’t – it sounds pretty reasonable to me.
imagine… religious leaders forsaking “prestige and economic development” to avoid being linked to someone and something immoral?
what a concept!
ksgrm,You’re exactly right. Plus, University President R Gerald Turner is in favor of the library. I’ll lay heavy odds that the library will be in Dallas as SMU.
Will the library provide crayons?
meltdown? me? nevah! =)
Still waiting, cs….
Help! I’m a Lib and my hatred for Bush causes me to be blind. It causes me to make statements that can’t be backed up. It causes me to mourn Saddam’s death. It causes me to hope that the new plan fails, so I can say “I told you so, Bush is an idiot.” It causes me to say I support the troops, but I really don’t, but it sounds good.
The fact that SMU is even in the running has alot to do with Laura Bush. SMU is her alma mater – not George’s.
Like I stated before, I really don’t care where they put it. And history will judge George W. Bush.
And I’m just wondering – how can a reported wild drinker and party boy attain 2 degrees and better grades than Kerry? I believe there was a special on television news how those Ivy League universities are letting priviledged children ’slide by’ where as in the real world, things would not be so simple for them.
Do you really corruption is only in the halls of Congress and the White House?
BALLS, If he’s CEO,then you and I are stock holders.He has turned our stock into”junk” status.FIRE HIS INCOMPETENT ASS!
“Help! I’m a Lib and my hatred for Bush causes me to be blind.”
woody, this seems to be you ‘logic’ in most threads here.
Way to go man.For a BillO hater, you sure use his playbook alot!HA
Oops – should be “do you really think”
If I recall, you had your chance to fire Bush a couple of years ago. Oops!
Bill O’reilly is an idiot.
I did!You dumbasses kept him on!
I am tired of people making this claim that “ALL” the generals don’t agree with Bush.
I want you to tell me how many generals there are in the military.
Now tell me again that they ALL disagree.
I have just seen the outgoing and incoming Marine Corps Commandants and they were both in agreement with Bush and the course of action.
So, who are “ALL” these generals people keep talking about?
You mean the 6 or 7 Generals which the media loves to highlight because they go against Bush? Are those these “ALL” you keep talking about?
Give me a break.
Back during my undergrad days back east there were stories about Yale giving an easy road for ‘legacies’. Don’t really know just how much or often that happened but it seemed to be common notice around the Ivy League. It helped more if the legacy’s family made hefty contributions.
GDP: growing at an average rate of about 3.5%.
Unemployment: lowest in decades.
Job growth: highest in history.
New business starts: highest in history.
Home ownership: all-time high.Home ownership for minorities: all-time high.
Interest rates: historically low.
War on terrorism: stellar.
War in Iraq: not going as planned, but showing signs of improvement.
I have no desire to fire him, Tracy.
Go, Nathan! You know what’s up.I support you and yours and your mission.
woody, I basically said you use BillO’s anti-logic playbook and sound just like him.Your reply?
“Bill O’reilly is an idiot.”
Posted by: fleettwood | January 19, 2007 at 10:23 AM
cs,still waiting…….
The job of the President is not to please the rest of the world.
It is too protect the American people.
Being President is not a popularity contest.
I’d like to see your sources golfer, particularly on unemployment and Iraq.
They could put the thing in a shoe box behind the broken tiles in a lavatory at a roadside rest stop.
NO ONE will ever wnat to visit anything devoted to this most vile of men.
“The job of the President is not to please the rest of the world.
It is too protect the American people.
Being President is not a popularity contest.”
2 for 3!!You go George!!
Hey~ I’ve got 2 degrees and never met a vice I didn’t like. It can be done!!
National debt:Highest in history
National approval:lowest in history
Real improvementsmade under this CEO?none
Firing his incompetent ass:PRICELESS.
fleet,
Your hatred of liberals causes you to be blind, and makes you the BDP’r.
Good one, cosmos.
JR,
I would love to visit his library, as I would all the others too.
I do not blind myself to information.
I learn more by studying all points of view.
Half the time I argue with people about Evolution, Creation, or whatever liberal policy I can argue their side better than they can.
For all your accusations JR, you are the type of person who makes everything partisan.
Ben, I heard much the same thing; also, when in law school, there was a student with an Ivy degree who was a legacy admit, who told me that there was much truth to that.
Whether that had anything to do with GWB’s admission to Yale is known only to the admission committee members at the time, and we will never know. Regardless, he has a degree from Yale, although as I recall from the 2004 campaign not with a stellar academic record, and an MBA (as I recall from Harvard). This much is known, all else is speculation.
The Presidential Oath of Office
The oath to be taken by the president on first entering office is specified in Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Our CEO has completely trashed that ol’ piece of paper.BTW, it’s his job to protect the constitution.
Tracy,
I have not gone back and looked at the National Debt across presidencies, but I am feeling safe to say that under every President it is the highest ever…
Help! I read Golf’s true facts and it only causes me to call names and wish all the statments were lies. I’m in Lib World where eveything is dark and in constant crisis.
Clinton payed the damned thing down.Period.Enter Bushco.Nuff said.
Party of fiscal responsibilty?My old decrepit ass!
Tracy,
Either way, you can say it was the highest ever under Clinton too.
Which basically makes your statement worthless.
tracy-
Presidents cannot spend a dime. Period.Did we sleep through civics class??
Maybe George Bush is like Borat or that Ernest character. Both of these characters were played by actual highly intelligent men. The only way they could become famous was to play stupid, bumbling characters.
I wonder if this has something to do with as to why some people like Georg W. and others don’t?
Just show me where this clown has even ATTEMPTED to stick to his oath of office?
I don’t see protecting people anywhere in the oath.If you sacrifice the oath in the name of protection you’ve violated the one and only rule of office.We have an entire beaurocracy devoted to our protection, and all should be done according to our own constitution.
Nathan, BS!It has gone far higher under GW than it EVER was under BC.Which basically makes your statement a pantload.
Sanford, ever hear of veto power?And yes, I slept.Alot.
Tracy,
Historically speaking, if we were back under Clinton, you could say it was the higest ever.
Do I need to spell it out phonetically for you?
Tracy-I agree. There is nothing in our Constitution saying that the President is the Commander in Chief. The head of our military. Has the authority to wage war.Nope, nothing. The Constitution clearly states that the Presidents only role is to write checks to Congress.
Uhm, I thought this was about some library or something like that…
=~)
Sanford,
There for a second I thought you were serious and was getting upset…
LOL
Bush has stated several times that he is a uniter, not a divider. I am still waiting for that one to happen? Is he waiting until his last year to pull this trick out of his hat?
No enemy could ever do more damage to our country than what is being done right now by having such polarizing sides. Isn’t it the president’s role to be the leader of ALL the people? Rather than saying that he has decided to go ahead with the surge of troops despite what Congress says or does, why doesn’t he say it in a different way that does not sound so confrontational?
Whether you like Bush or not, we all have to live with the consequences of his action for at least the next two years and the next president will have to deal with the remaining effects for their term.
CS I know if you saw it on a TV documentary it must be true. Kinda like Dan Rathers papers that were faked but were true anyhow. If you can’t find the evidence just produce it.
In short, my limited experience with legacies, is that they make getting “in the door” much easier, Like so, large contributions to the LSSF, regardless of whether they’re alums or not. Beyond that, with only a couple of rare exceptions, i.e., Dan Quayle, they were pretty much on their own, just like the rest of us poor bastards!
wow, where to start?
Tracy, sorry to disagree. Some methodist congregations are “reconciled” and most are not.
Unfortunately, nutz is correct. The methodist church formally condems homosexuality and disrobes clergy they believe to be gay. To quote John Prine “pretty good, not bad, I cant complain, but actually, all them religions is about the same”.
The LBJ library is in AUSTIN, not Dallas. Obviously Rusty Ford, contrary to what he implies, has never actually VISITED the LBJ library. Otherwise, he would know where it is located.
GW’s only connection to SMU is from Laura. And JR, we know he hates books, so maybe his “liberry” will just have 50 copies of “My Pet Goat”!
The Midland/Odessa community college would LOVE bush’s liberry. I somehow find it fitting that a JUNIOR college would host it.
Mary, as usual, nails it with this comment: “Oh well, just like the Holocaust Museum, it will serve as a reminder to everyone of what can happen when a world leader thinks he’s omnipotent.”
’cause ya know, if you cant be a good influence, you are doomed to be a horrible example.
Nathan says “I learn more by studying all points of view.” Another pantload. He refuses to even click on a link to DU. SO much for “studying all points of view”.
And kansas germ, like usual, you have it all wrong. Your anti education bias is showing “Just another case of professors thinking they can rule the universe.”
Uh, germ, ya need to read. It is methodist PREACHERS who want the library stopped. So I guess I could say, with equal validity (not!) that this is another example of christian ministers “thinking they can rule the universe”?
Jesus wept.
And Rhonda reveals her true stance on communities and why they exist when she says that presidential libararies provide prestige and economic development to host universities and their communities.
Rhonda dear, THAT is why economic development, as it is currently practiced, is doomed to fail. Chasing prestige and some mythical economic benefit (tourists stop and buy more cokes and trinkets?) is why economic development is the biggest hoax EVER perpetrated on the american taxpayer.
And last but not least, perhaps the troll has revealed himself?
Fleet saying this: “Help! I’m a Lib and my hatred for Bush causes me to be blind. It causes me to make statements that can’t be backed up. It causes me to mourn Saddam’s death.”
It sure matches the troll’s posts for phrasing, style, syntax, person, content etc.
I think you outed yerself fleetie. I knew sooner or later the troll would get full of himself and drunk on his love for his own words.
If that isnt the posting of the troll, fleetie sure is good at copying the troll!
So if I had seen it on Fox News then I can be assured that it is true, fair and balanced? Is that what you’re saying?
I am skeptical of anything I read or hear, no matter what the source. Just like I am skeptical of Bush and the Republicans, I am equally skeptical of the Democrats. My problem with the Bush Administration is the lack of oversight and accountability that comes when one party is in control of the White House, Senate and the House of Representatives.
No one has to make up stuff or produce it, I think George W. has given his critics enough to chew on for a long time to come.
farmgirl-Your post has left me befuddled. Those were my posts. I wrote them both.Please explain.
Wondering, when the GWB Presidential Library is built, wherever it is sited, how long before the papers contained therein will be declassified for historians to do their research?
Farm Girl I started my degree in the 70’s and finished it in 2004. I had a 3.87 gpa (not to brag) and I can tell you that my proffessors were so liberals it was like taking your degree hopes in your hand to even ask a question that might challenge their bias. The only class where this was encouraged was my ethics class. Fancy that. I did come away with a degree and also the knowledge that the grads we are turning out are told how to think as part of the education process. I find this very disturbing and I am much more conservative because of it. I see evidence of that on this very blog. Just offer the facts and encourage free thinking in making a judgement. Imagine a world ran by programed thinkers. Scary.
She is calling you out as the troll Fleet
But the problem with just offering the facts, ksgrm, is whose facts? Both sides argue their facts are correct. How do you distinguish what is fact and what is not? In today’s society with all the different media, is everything proven to be factual? I think not. If it was, then so many different versions of the same facts?
Sol-I got that part, but it makes no sense. The troll thing isn’t by bag. I think the web monitors can tell who trolls. I don’t troll, less for moral reasons, more for fear of getting caught.
Will they display the bicycles Dubya crashed? Now that’d be cool!
“Imagine a world ran by programed [sic] thinkers. Scary.”
Posted by: ksgrm | January 19, 2007 at 11:52 AM
Of course, this statement seems to presuppose that there is no such thing as programmed conservative thinking. Which, obviously, is not the case.
There is a liberal bias in academia because that bias is consistent with what academic institutions value – inquiry and thinking. I have seen lock-step knee-jerk liberalism in universities, but that is far from the typical situation – in my experience, at least.
Red what I am saying is to encourage free thinking. Just because you hear something doesn’t make it fact. Research. Investigate. Assemble the facts do some quanitative thinking and then come to a conclusion. I had some very good instructors that insisted that students did just that. They also encourage open discussions and didn’t riducule those with views that didn’t line up with theirs. Being a non-traditional student in today’s world was an eye opener for me.
Steven I purposely didn’t label the programmed thinkers as liberal or conservative because I realize it happens on both sides. But your jump to this conclusion was very telling.
…and notice, germ gives ONE example that is her personal opinion, not fact.
I have degrees too germ. So if I say my profs were conservative, (and they were) does that make it true? ’cause YOU say so? I say different. Does that mean MY TRUTH is correct and yours is not?
heheheh. opinion and facts are two different things. But I guess that only holds true in the liberal world. In con world, if you say so, it must be true.
…and notice, GERM says nothing about the preachers. Just her usual antieducation bias.
Shall we call her “bias girl” to complement “bias boy”?
Fleet, just continue to play stupid. It suits you so well. Anyone who has read the troll’s posts and then reads YOUR two posts you admited were yours will know what I mean.
You either ARE the troll or you write just like him.
Like I said, you arent smart enough to keep from trolling and then outing yourself.
You are more like Dennis Rader than you are willing to admit. Do you just WANT to be caught?
If so, you succeeded.
hee hee hee…
and while I was posting, germ wrote this:
“Just because you hear something doesn’t make it fact.”
heheheheheh. Thanks for making my point germ. Just because you say it doesnt make it fact either.
Where is that famous research and critical thinking you are touting? Not in your posts dear. It’s not in YOUR posts.
…and fleetie, I caught nathan doing the same thing as you. Multiple times.
You can switch nics, but if you say the same things, with the same words, and the same style, mistakes and all, it is easy to out you.
Or nathan as “barb”.
You guys are NOT too clever by half. Give you enough time, and you will out yourselves.
Help! My name is farmgirl and I’ve gone over the edge. I’ve started to make wild accusations and I can’t help myself. I claim gays are discriminated against, then call for others to prove it false. Help!
Farm Girl I love it when you make my points for me. A preacher is paid by his congregation to preach. They attend his church because they agree with his opinion and biblical interpretations.
A college STUDENT PAYS their professors to educate him not inundate him with their political views.
Do you see the difference?
Yes on this blog and many other I give my opinion. I have never claimed otherwise. To do so would be as ridiculous as saying NO ONE will go to the Bush library because I personally don’t plan to go.
Have an honest opinion and defend it. Don’t think that by tearing somebody else down you have made your point.
Germ, you make the points yourself. YOU are the one who said it is true, just because you say it.
So, can I say, and make it true, that the fact that methodist MINISTERS oppose the library means PREACHERS are controlling the world?
Geez, you and fleet and nutz and hank must have gotten your degrees from the same place.
I guess wherever fleetie and germie got their degrees, the school didnt teach the first rule of holes.
“when you find yourself in a hole, the first rule of holes is to STOP DIGGING”
heheheheh. Please continue to dig….
KFG, You must know better about the church than I do.I only speak from experience in my congregation.We’re a pretty diverse crowd for mid-america.I can tell stories about other churches here in town.At the first Babtist, the pianist was a very nice gay man, who had been playing there for years.This guy is widely known and respected in the community.A gay pillar? of our community.HAAnyhow, when preachers changed,he was immediatly put out.And NO, he’s not ‘flaming’.He blends quite nicely.
“A preacher is paid by his congregation to preach. They attend his church because they agree with his opinion and biblical interpretations.A college STUDENT PAYS their professors to educate him not inundate him with their political views.”
OK KSFRMGrrl, where are the lies, deceptions and/or falsehoods in these statements?
I really think Farm Girl that you forgot to show up for logic class. Name calling is so pedestrian. The grm stands for Grandma – a title I wear proudly as I am teaching my grandkids to be free thinkers and not allow opinions stated as fact be regergitated as their opinions.
This has been fun but all good things must come to an end. LIfe calls.
Or are you just looking to pick a fight cause someone on the ‘outside’ pissed you off?
here ya go Tracy
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/31/national/main998876.shtml
The title is about a gay UMC minister being defrocked, or whatever it is called. ONLY because she admited she was gay. Everyone in her church knew it, but after she ADMITTED it, she was defrocked.
The religious version of “dont ask, dont tell”?
Ksgrm,sigh…
“A college STUDENT PAYS their professors to educate him not inundate him with their political views.”
So the college professer is only allowed to express views you cons agree with because you are PAYING for education? If you always agree with it, that isnt education. It’s indoctrination. You know, like Jesus Camp?
Just looks to me like the lie, deception and falsehoods are that if you pay for something, it should be something you AGREE with? If it disagrees with your current thinking, you arent to be exposed to it because you PAID TUITION?
Jesus wept.
Why are you not paying to go to bible college so you KNOW what is being taught is something with which you already agree?
And god help the preacher who preaches something you disagree with? Is their job in jeopardy if they dont agree with you?
Indoctrination, not education.
I dont agree that this has been fun. It is idiocy of the highest order when you have been clearly proven wrong to stand on that wrong position come hell or high water. Very bushlike of you.
“who you gonna believe? Me, or those lyin’ eyes of yours?”
No one pissed me off today other than the total ignorance and then stubborness of germ, fleetie, and sollie.
I’ll let my words stand. Please, you do the same.
KFG, I’m not surprised.Just saddened.I certainly don’t defend it.
“I am teaching my grandkids to be free thinkers and not allow opinions stated as fact be regergitated as their opinions.”
Yes germ, we know. It is only YOUR opinions they will be allowed to “regergitate”.
hee hee hee hee
I bet they LOVE coming to germies house and will love it more as they mature and develop their own world views.
Glad I dont have to do thanksgiving around THAT table!
“So the college professer is only allowed to express views you cons agree with because you are PAYING for education?”
Uhm, no…. How about just giving the students facts???
And the rest of your rant is about religion? How many global religions accept homosexuality? You are being discriminated against by a church and you are mad?
Wow. That is a stretch even for you Farm Girl. — Farm Girl, I thought you were the uber successful business owner. 3 businesses wasn’t it? At least one a restaurant?
I know you dont defend bigotry Tracy, even if it is documented inside your church.
heheheheheheh. And fleetie and hank want proof that gays are discriminated against?
This is not a pipe….
I’m sure they will have some rationalization about freedom of religion.
Freedom of discrimination is more like it. However, it mystifies me why ANY gay person would WANT to be clergy in that environment.
I also dont understand why any gay person would WANT to serve in the military. Let the military continue to kill straight kids.
Sure thins the herd and improves the gene pool….
Aren’t you the one always bashing the ‘Fundies’ And now you are pissed because the leopard has spots?
sollie, in your black and white world of false dichotomy, it isnt a FACT unless you agree with it.
SO, if you and germie dont agree with a fact, then it is propaganda and shouldnt be spoken ’cause you PAID for that “education”.
hehehehehhehehehehhehehehehehehhe
Steven is right. Sigh….
“Freedom of discrimination is more like it. However, it mystifies me why ANY gay person would WANT to be clergy in that environment.”
Then what is your bitch????
“I also dont understand why any gay person would WANT to serve in the military. Let the military continue to kill straight kids.Sure thins the herd and improves the gene pool….”
And now you bash the troops. Cleaning the gene pool. Outstanding Farm Girl
This country discriminates against me because I’m, uh, left handed.My statement will remain true unless you can prove otherwise. Please don’t asked for any examples of the discrimination.If you ask for any examples, I will call you names.
One good thing about this library…Bush could have something productive to do for a change…
Bush the Greeter!!
“It’s on aisle 7, I recktomfy!”.
Hehehehehe?George Washington was our first presidentHeheehhehehe
Uhm, that would be a fact.
George Washington was The.Worst.President.EverHeehhehehehe
That would be an opinion.
Black and white. Fact and fiction (or opinion). Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. Are you so graced to live in the grey areas where you pick and choose?
Sorry I had an opportunity to come back and just loved that last post. My grandkids do love coming to my house and holidays at our house are fun. They aren’t carbon copies of me but no one will force their opinions on them including me. Which part of opposing viewpoints can’t you grasp. If I don’t agree with you and I don’t, does that make you right and me wrong. Think – -it is very refreshing and you just might learn something. What a narrow world you live in. My next door neighbors are two women raising a little boy between them. They are a couple on our cul-de-sac just as are the other couples. I wouldn’t think of discriminating against them and I’m not sure any pianist was fired for being gay. Just another unproven fact. Don’t judge others and lighten up – you’ll live longer.
“sollie you arent even making sense.
“Aren’t you the one always bashing the ‘Fundies’ And now you are pissed because the leopard has spots?”
WTF does THAT mean?
Sollie, you need to brush up on your reading comprehension. I dont care what you do in your churches. Tracy wanted to know what I knew about the Methodist church that he didnt know.
You can dance the hokey pokey and sacrifice chickens in your church for all I care. Your churches have about the same validity with me that dancing and chicken killing do.
But when you bring that shit into the secular world, I do resent it. I do resent you impacting my life and liberty with your superstitions. Equal protection under the law and all. Foreign to you and the neocon crew, I know.
I do find the “fundies” abhorent and a scourge on humanity. In addition to finding them completely ignorant and void of any knowledge that isnt forcefed from the pulpit.
I admit how I feel.
And you?
My mistake. I thought you were actually providing an instance of discrimination. Guess I was wrong. My apologies.
Shouldn’t this thread be titled:Why the fuss over Bush Libary?
Follow your own advise much germie?
“Don’t judge others and lighten up – you’ll live longer.”
Oh, so you can judge others, ’cause you have some divine intuition? You just KNOW those damn profs are trying to rule the world?
heheheheheheheheheheh
Stupid is as stupid does. Yes, I am calling you out on being stupid AND bigoted. Just because you wrap yourself in the flag or hide behind the cross does not make it any less so.
And that goes for you too sollie. It’s an all volunteer army. If they knowingly volunteer to be bush’s cannon fodder for oil they should, by all means, do so.
I just hoped gay folks were smarter, but obviously, we ARE just like everyone else. Why would they want to join an instution that so obviously degrades and despises them?
let the straights have it….
WTF does that mean. You say ‘There is a leopard’ read (this is the crap the fundies did THIS time). Then you bitch because the leopard has spots (fundies discriminate against all kinds of shit) and are upset by it (where I thought you were giving an example of discrimination)
Sorry for the allusion confusion.
Gee-stir.You speak terrible red-neck.GW as greeter?Sumpin’ more like this:Yes ma’m….I reckon it’s down that aways,tweenst isles 6 and seven,up-agin the end over there.If’n ya’ steel caynt fine it,holler down yonder at Earl.Earl knows…….hell he’s a-shopped heer all hees life!
“My mistake. I thought you were actually providing an instance of discrimination.”
And you think gay clergy being “fired” by their employer is NOT an instance of discrimination?
Or do churches just get special dispensation from the government? It IS an instance of discrimination.
Or do you want to say that pipe is not really a pipe?
It is only discrimination in the secular world? In churches, however, it is ok ’cause it is business as usual?
just keep digging sollie. Just keep digging.
Farm Girl
Fact: Kids are leaving our institutes of higher learning no more prepared to enter the work force that I am prepared to be a lion tamer. I know this because I have interviewed many of them hoping to find a qualified candidate for job openings with my company.
Fact: Reading comprehension, math test scores and all other bench marks are going down steadily for our students in our public elementary and high schools.
I could give your sites to check these facts but I think it is time you learned to do research on your own.
Instructors need to get back to the basics in teaching students what they come to school to learn. We are being pushed to the back by China, Japan and many other countries that do educate their students in basic knowledge and skills.
How’s the job search going, tracy? Any prospects?
…and did you notice, her firing was perfectly legal?
But oh no, we DONT need antidiscrimination that also protects gays?
Where was the constitution when SHE needed it?
Filed away under “biblical superstitions” I guess.
Laws are so, well, for the little people I guess. Not for churches, even though they are supported by their tax exempt status.
Yeah !!! And clean out that gene pool while were at it!!!
Should a leftist Trig teacher be pontificating his/her political views on a paying audience of students? Nope. He/she should be terminated.
Should a conservative do the same? Nope. Same outcome. Be shown the door.
But because it WAS a leftist and was called out, then oooops. Farm Girl gets riled and ASSUMES that anyone upset by this just want conservatism preached.
A little froggy today Farm Girl? You sure are making some mighty leaps.
ksgrm-
I’ve not formally researched what you have said, but in my day-to-day experiences, I have often thought, and found, much of what you say to be true.
Let me borrow your shovel then KFG. You ARE pissed because the leopard has spots. Geez. Go figure.
I might visit the library. After all, I DID visit Aushcwitz.
And you have one instance in a church to stand on. The fundies acted like fundies. And does anyone know exactly why he/she was terminated? If he/she were terminated due to her sexual orientation, it would seem he/she had a GREAT civil rights law suit. Did he/she file????
ksgrm, you posted:
“Fact: Kids are leaving our institutes of higher learning no more prepared to enter the work force that I am prepared to be a lion tamer. I know this because I have interviewed many of them hoping to find a qualified candidate for job openings with my company.”
Likely true; I submit, however, it is NOT the job of an “institute” of higher learning to prepare students for the job market. That, IMHO, is the job of technical training institutions.
Sollie, when you have been proven to be an ass, why do you keep pushing it?
To use your fucked up analogy, I am not pissed that the leopard has spots. I am pissed that the leopard exists and is fed by tax dollars by the military, the churches, the neocons, etc.
Yes, I wish the leopard did not exist. The fact that it has spots is not harmful. The fact that it kills and maims people is indeed harmful, but not relevant to the spots.
Damn, why am I even trying to talk sense with you? Clearly, you and germie are suffering from koolaide overdose and logic and proof mean nothing to you.
I think they call that an asymetrical war.
Sol, you would be correct, to some extent, if the employer was anything but a religious organization. There are exemptions in various employment laws (no cite, too busy) for religious organizations from the requirements otherwise placed on employers.
Sollie, you are an idiot, but thanks, because in your usual circular logic way, you proved my point.
She couldnt file because SHE HAD NO GROUNDS TO FILE ON!!!!!!
THAT is why the anti-discrimination laws need to include gay folks. They DONT include them now.
For goddess sake, what part of that do you not understand.
And vaughn, PRIVATE employers in ks can discriminate, legally, in exactly the same way. THAT is why the non-discrimination laws are needed.
and sollie and fleetie, THIS is why I dont provide examples for obtuse idiots like you.
“And you have one instance in a church to stand on”
One’s too many and a hundred isnt enough. If you think gay people are not discriminated against, a THOUSAND examples wouldnt be enough.
Who you gonna believe. Me? Or those lying opinions of yours?
I am not running down the “example” rat hole with you when no matter what evidence is presented, you will immediately, and with maximum arrogance, say…
“that is not a pipe…”
Farmie is getting peeved. Someone’s gonna get a burnt chicken-fried steak.
Logic and reason over name calling and inflammatory rhetoric. Hehehehehhe
So being a gay basher kills folks. Being anti-gay maims.
Churches are being fed by tax dollars.
I’m just trying to go by the example you set forth. The church goer that was terminated by the church.
Do you have any other examples of being homophobic killing and maiming?
VT,If I hired a gay person, at say, a news paper stand. He is not flamboyant, and does not project his orientation. If I fire said employee because of his orientation, am I liable?
“I am not running down the “example” rat hole with you when no matter what evidence is presented, you will immediately, and with maximum arrogance, say…”that is not a pipe…” “
Well isn’t THAT convenient? Believe what I say because I say it? I think you JUST blew someone else up for that, and here you are doing the same. Circle logic? Great example of that Farm Girl.
Google these sollie. Although they wont, I am sure, in your mind, be the correct examples, or be enough examples.
Show us those famous research skills. Google Paul Broussard, Gwen Arujo, Matthew Shepard.
How many more examples will you want? What kind of examples will you want?
One’s too many and a hundred’s not enough.
Do you think gay people are NOT discriminated against?
hehehehehe. Not only a rabbit hole but six impossible things before breakfast.
“Do you have any other examples of being homophobic killing and maiming? ”
Matthew Shepard
An amazing exchange of…
A Presidential Library is for all. I think that the priveledge of having one on one’s campus outweighs other considerations.
Eight years of information about a President is not the only thing, it’s about eight years of administration and the environment it took place in.
It’s an important historical repository.
ksfg, I understand that; however, the situation being discussed involved the defrocking of an admittedly gay Methodist minister in Oregon, was limiting my post to that.
I am one who believes that anti-discrimination in employment legislation should cover dismissal on the grounds of “sexual preference” as a prohibited act. However, given First Amendment protections, these laws would have to exempt religious organizations as well, so long as a core belief of the religion is that homosexuality is a sin.
hee hee hee hee sollie, you are not only an idiot, you are a laughable idiot.
You wanted an example. One was provided. You rejected it as only “one” example. Exactly how many examples do you want?
As I predicted. Why provide hard and concrete examples when they will only be rejected? THAT is the rabbit hole of examples.
It wasnt my opinion asshole. It was a FACT. A legit example, but you rejected it. Why? Because there werent MORE examples?
One’s too many and a hundred wouldnt be enough?
Are you really so obtuse you think gay folks DONT need protection that other minorities have?
Woof. Let me hand you another shovel.
Sol, that would be dependent upon the employment discrimination law of the jurisdiction in which the news stand was located.
Tracy _ You’re right!
I can see it now:
“Dub finds a homesile”
“priveledge of having one”
Why is having a bush library a priveledge? ’cause the tourists will come to town and buy a couple of cokes and trinkets?
hee hee hee hee
There you have the logic of most economic development.
By golly, it’s a PRIVELEDGE to sell those extra cokes….
hee hee hee hee heeI can’t help but notice the number of times Farmie chooses to call Sol an “idiot”.
When you have no real argument, resort to name calling. –Liberal Playbook
I’m gonna lay low on this one.Too many ricochet’ and stray shots!
Uhh..What law would have prevented Matthew Shepard from being killed?
Vaughn, why dont you go ahead and tell sollie that in kansas, he would NOT be punished for firing that gay person solely for being gay?
And THAT is why Kansas needs to add the lgbt community to existing non-discrimination laws.
Because those laws, right now, DO NOT APPLY to gay people.
Geez, who wants to bet sollie will need an example, and then when one is provided, he will reject it?
Fools bet.
Balls, I think she feels that way about it even when she’s kicken’ some asses!
There is a difference between people killing/snubbing/ridiculing gay folks and “institutional” discrimination. One we have too much of, the other there is none.
Yeah, Gee.I come from a long blood line o’ redneck.Thoroughbred, through and through.No gawldern cuban nazis in my woodshed, no sir-eee!
Nutz, you are as reading comprehension challenged as sollie.
No one suggested a law would keep Matthew from being killed.
Sollie asked this question:
“”Do you have any other examples of being homophobic killing and maiming? ”
Nothing about the law there dimson.
Notice, how when proven to be idiots, they just keep denying it and digging farther? Mincing words? Examples not good enough or prolific enough?
hehehehehehheheheheheheheheheheehheeh
If you cant follow along nutz, do you need a tutor to read it for you?
And btw, I am calling you idiots because you IGNORE the “real arguement” and change the subject.
In light of your constant insistance on ignoring the “real arguements” I think being an idiot is a proven fact, not just opinion.
I, for one, believe that people who own businesses have values, and that those business owners should have every right to refuse employment to people that don’t share those values.
And, if those values include the belief that homosexuality is wrong….
You get the point.
woody, how woodja know?Been gay long?
Paul Broussard Murdered in 1991Covered under Hate Crimes
Gwen AraujoCovered under Justice for Victims Act
Matthew Shepard savagely beaten to death because he was gayCovered under Hate Crimes.
These are hate crimes. Covered under the same laws as Black on Whit crime and White on Hispanic crimes or any other crime biased on race, creed, color etc.
There is already legislation on this
kansasfarmgrrl uses to many ambigious “its” and “thems” in her reply for me to respond. Sorry, I have trouble remembering where I put my glasses these days. :)
A historical repository is always a priveledge to have. Regardless of the politics of today, historians, researchers, the Public may have on occasion a need to explore or research what happened 50-100 years ago when they weren’t around.
A Presendential library isn’t all about a President. There are documents associated with his Presidency that may later play a role of future decision makers.
Decisions like what we don’t want to do,how we can improve something or even comparison studies.
It is like the Genealogy Section of Main Wichita Public Library. Most do not even know it exists. It is chock full of information about genealogy for sure, but also information on how Wichita was created, how Kansas was created and much more.
Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
How would I know what, tracy?
Farmie,People get killed every day for a variety of reasons. Maybe Jodi Sanderholm was murdered because she was a dancer.
Farmie? Are you going to be the first to call for Dancer Protection Reform???
“I, for one, believe that people who own businesses have values,”
Yeah, I always did get a big thrill outta Hustler’s”Asshole of the Month”Now them’s some REAL redneck values!I bet he don’t hire no homos.No sir-ee.Business owner.Values.
Kansasfarmgrrl,
The topic of this thread is:”Why the fuss over Bush library?”
Just hit home on your keyboard if you don’t believe me. :)
Sollie, you didnt ASK about legislation. YOU asked for examples of killing and maiming. You were given those examples.
The fact that they are or are not covered by hate crimes laws does not change the fact they were “killed or maimed” because they were gay.
I just love how examples are never exactly right or enough of them.
Thanks for illustrating AGAIN how you are an idiot.
OMG, and THIS hair splitting and denial from fleetie?
“There is a difference between people killing/snubbing/ridiculing gay folks and “institutional” discrimination.”
That MIGHT be the dumbest thing ever posted on this blog, and that is really saying something.
Wanna bet he askes for examples of “instiitutional” discrimination? And then when such examples are provided, there will be something not exact about it, and besides, there need to be MORE examples?
heheheheh. Yep. Down the rabbit hole.
heheheh. Yeah fleetie, you win. Wave that flag. heheheheheheheheh
Everyone who reads can see how you are obtuse, bigoted, and generally an idiot. No need for me to post that.
woody, what it feels like to be gay! silly girl!It’s easy to say something doesn’t exist, when you’re not on the recieving end.
ummm, the whole notion of “hate crime” is redundant. Name one act of brutality – murder, assault, battery… – that isn’t motivated by hate.
JM, thanks for the info.Can we help you with something?
“There is a difference between people killing/snubbing/ridiculing gay folks and “institutional” discrimination.”
hee hee hee he hee hee hee hI’m still laughing about that one.
Too bad torturing logic isnt against the law.
Yes JM, I know the topic. I am responding to other posters. Read the whole thread.
Nutz, you are nutz. Sollie asked for an example and I gave it to him. Any spin you put on that is your spin.
So… it would be ok to kill christians just because they are christian? No christian protection laws needed.
The last I saw MURDER was prohibited. The law doesnt stop the murder of straight people either. Why would you think it would stop the murder and maiming of gay people?
You guys have twisted logic and language so hard you cant get you head out of your ass to see the forest for the trees.
Do I need to post examples for THAT?
Tracy,Sure, Mr. Larry Flynt’s values are slightly varied…but I can’t see him hiring someone that thinks pornography is a sin – and would make a point of stating it at the office.
Farmie,You’re being repeatedly redundant.
Relax. =)
So, if in my restaurant, I decided not to serve conservative, religous zealots, do you think the law would let me get away with that?
Oh, let me guess, that is a MARKET decision?
Hee hee hee hee. It wouldnt hurt my business at all, and those are MY values as a business owner.
But it isnt legal to do that. Equal opportunity and equal access and equal protection, ya know.
No Tracy,
Just a bit taken aback how a thread can get siderailed into personal philosophies.
This btw, is another definition of trolling. That is, the person calls attention to themselves and it nothing to do with the thread topic.
Balls, seems to me that there’s a whole buncha crimes like that.Ya’ think a rapist really hates sex?
Remember the scene from blazing saddles where they are hiring bad guys?Q:What’s your crime?A:Rape, murder, theft and rape.Q:Hey, why’d ya’ say rape twice?A:I LIKE RAPE!
Farm Girl,If you could capture the hate that spews from you and turn it into water, you would flood Kansas.
Hey, bully for you if you get your jollies by name calling and trying to make yourself appear so above other people knock yourself out.
If not being able to follow your over the fence logic makes me an idiot, then an idiot I am and proud to be one. What a torture to be locked inside your head or share your thoughts.
This whole post has been you bitching about needing legislation. You give me some examples about crimes already covered, and I am to blame again. It must be exhausting to lose your own games. Self fulfilling prophecy anyone? If I hand you a turd, then proclaim “SHE WILL CALL IT A TURRRRDDD” Doesn’t that make me just oh so smart?
From the dept of blog fodder for comedic relief:
PeeMom and I will be having lunch tomorrow. Together. In the same place.
My only concern – what to wear?
The kevlar vest or the full body armor?
Full body brother. Why risk it !!!! HAHAHA Hope y’all enjoy it.
OMG, sollie and nutz, YOU ALL brought up the hate crimes laws, not me.
Then you want to rag on me for bringing it up? heheheheheheheeh
The very definition of tortured logic.
And sollie, rather than piss moan and whine, wouldnt just be easier to admit how very wrong you are and how you got your ass kicked on this thread?
You too nutz. When beaten, you cry about civility and name calling? heheheheheheheh
Re-read the thread boys. Read it and weep. YOU derailed this thread, not me.
But I am not gonna let your lies, lack of logic and bigotry go unchallenged.
Face it boys, you lost.
Balls—that’s great.You guys just have to talk about me.Yeah, I AM that important!
Farmie,It’s perfectly legal for you to refuse service to anyone. However, it’s a stupid business decision to do so.
Farmie,I didn’t lose a thing. However, if it helps you serve mashed potatoes and gravy with a smile, then you just go right ahead and think you won.
Bless your heart. =)
“Hey, bully for you if you get your jollies by name calling and trying to make yourself appear so above other people knock yourself out.”
If you are an ass, and repeated prove yourself to be an ass…
And if you are dumb and cant conduct yourself according to logic…
And even when you are clearly bested, and have proven you cant back up your bullshit with anything remotely resembling logic, or stay on subject or answer a demand for proof with anything other than a subject change….
Then yeah. You are an idiot. Go whine to your mommy.
Farm Girl,If you came here to ‘kick someone’s ass’ and it will make you feel better, then by all means, think that.
I asked you for an example, you gave me an example of crimes covered… and again, I am to blame for stating that. Shoot me.
You were bitching about things not covered by current law. When asked for examples, you gave murders. But conservatives are to blame for that.
“SHE WILL CALL IT A TUUURRRRDDDD”
Wow, ain’t I smart?????
“It’s perfectly legal for you to refuse service to anyone.”
I guess that is why those “whites only” restaurants are still open and thriving in the deep south?
hehehehehehehehehhehehehehehehehehe
Your idiocy is only exceeded by your ignorance of the law.
I think farmgirl and ws are the same. It sure matches the posts for phrasing, style, syntax, person, content etc.hmmmmhehehehehehehhee hee hee hee
Golfnut,
You are wrong, if you have an open public concern you have to accept all customers. I found out that I HAD to accept non White clients.
I will NOT hire any non Whites though. I would hire a competent White homosexual though.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
“And even when you are clearly bested”
Is this some kind of competition?
“and have proven you cant back up your bullshit with anything remotely resembling logic, or stay on subject or answer a demand for proof with anything other than a subject change”
What bullshit? All I did was ask for examples, then show that your examples are already covered.
And the only topic I have been on with you has been the Gay thing.
Are you on the same thread?
Seriously, Farm Girl, back away from the computer and breath! Whether you are or not, you are coming off as a raving lunatic – especially with all the hehehehes. No one is even listening to you anymore, just reading to say what crass, insane words will come out of your mouth (or should I say keyboard?) this time.
Sollie go back and read. Real slow so you understand.
YOU wanted examples of “killing and maiming”. Nothing was said by anyone about the crimes being covered by hate law. YOU are the one who brought up hate crimes law.
Once again, real slow for the record, THIS is what you asked:
“”"Do you have any other examples of being homophobic killing and maiming? ”
And when I gave you three examples, YOU brought up that they were covered by hate crimes law.
Hee hee hee hwee heehee heeee heeeeeeeeeeee
Logic and reading comprehension challenged. YOU forgot what YOU asked?
hehehehehehehehehehheehheheheehheeh
oops! say was supposed to be see…
FG, I am having a lot of problems with this thread. I have interviewed many job applicants. I have never asked their sex orientation. I have never introduced myself as being hetrosexual not have I had anybody say “Hi, my name is farm girl and I am gay” in the midst of an interview. Maybe it’s because your sexual orientation is none of my business and I DON’t WANT TO KNOW. Maybe you or the others you talk about are so out there and it has nothing to do with who you are but your presentation of yourselves. How can it be discrimination if your don’t know sexual orientation.
Farmie,There are clubs all over the country that don’t allow blacks, jews, whites, catholics, protestants.
It’s called freedom of association.
Uhm yeah. Real slow. This started with asking you for examples of employment discrimination. You kicked in wit all kinds of killing and maiming when the previous post was about a church organist being fired.
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | January 19, 2007 at 01:12 PMPosted by: ksfarmgrrl | January 19, 2007 at 01:10 PMPosted by: SolDevVB | January 19, 2007 at 01:08 PMPosted by: ksfarmgrrl | January 19, 2007 at 01:07 PM
Try is again… real slow Farm Girl
AFN, these idiots are so laughable, I cant help but post the hee hee’s they generate.
And the more they flounder, the more laughter they generate.
I am so tired of them posting their bigoted bullshit and no one challenging them.
If that makes me a raving lunatic, so be it.
I think that is more telling of you and your position than mine.
Keep it coming boys. I have all day to swat you like the gnats you are.
Ian you are piece of shit.You don’t have to keep reminding us.
Here a treat for you cutnpaste haters.I lifted this from wikipediaand paraphrased it.
Trolling refers to deliberate and intentional attempts to disrupt.Trolling is deliberate violation of the implicit rules of Internet social spaces.Trolling is not necessarily the same as vandalism (although vandalism may be used to troll).A vandal may just enjoy defacing a webpage, insulting random users, or spreading some personal views in an inappropriate way.A troll deliberately exploits weaknesses of human nature or of an online community to upset people.There are many types of disruptive users that are not trolls.Reversion warriors, POV warriors, cranks, impolite users, and vocal critics of the host blog structures and processes are not trolls.The idea of defining trolling is in many ways comical at best.The nature of trolls is to slip from any definition intended to constrain their actions and to find new and innovative ways to be aggravating.What follows are some comments that point generally in the direction of what a troll is and what trolls do.But it is not possible to identify everything someone might do to deliberately try to wreak havoc the blog.For this reason, no enforcement whatsoever has been set up against trolls.The basic mindset of a troll is that they are far more interested in how others react to their posts, than in the usual concerns of: accuracy, veracity, comprehensiveness, and overall quality.If a troll gets no response to their spurious posts, then they can hardly be considered a troll at all.The basic policy regarding trolling is simple: please refrain.
“A troll deliberately exploits weaknesses of human nature or of an online community to upset people.”DAMN Peanut–kinda sounds like you!
Freedom of association in America ended when Whites were forced to integrate with negroes at the point of bayonets.
Viva la Raza Blanco!!
Heck, the Wolf Creek golf club in Olathe doesn’t allow women.
*gasp*
Not really “real” Ian. You can stay in your house. Nobody is bringing a bayonet there.
that’s telling Ian.don’t mind having a real cocksucker around….as long as he’s white.
“clubs” by definition are not businesses.
You said businesses. Keep trying to squirm out of it buddy.
And another stupid post by germie?
“How can it be discrimination if your don’t know sexual orientation.”
Are you really that obtuse, or just playing a part.
Of course, if you refused to hire them because their resume didnt measure up, their clothes werent right, etc. it isnt sexual orientation discrimination.
Duh.
But if it WAS because they were openly gay, you could get away with it, scott free. Because Kansas doesnt have non-discrimination laws that protect gay people.
WTF? You folks just cant help yourselves when it comes to twisted logic, dumb posts, and an amazing grasp of the obvious?
I thought all this started with a declaration that gays were discriminated against. I asked farmgirl for examples, never got any, and it spiraled from there. While being killed for being gay may be the highest form of discrimination, I didn’t think that was exactly what this discussion was about.
Y’all have fun discussing the –uh- liberry.
Have a great weekend.
Nutz – Do tell how the lunch goes – if you still have fingers !!!
Fleetwood, if you can read, go to the top and read the posts. I started posting because germie was being an idiot about professors ruling the world because they opposed the bush library.
It went down hill from there. Go on, I challenge you to go back and read all the posts. See where this got off topic.
Tracy, you left one trolling behavior out. Nic stealing. Fleetie, you are SO busted on that.
And this post from nutz on another thread?
“DA,You seem more civil lately. No F-bombs. Did you see your therapist? Did you take the xanax/prozac/valium cocktail that I suggested?
Good boy.”
That pretty much exemplifies the definition of trolling.
Nutz seems to do that a lot when he cant come up with any logical comment.
Same with sollie and fleetie. Anyone who reads here can see that.
Here’s your shovel boys. I love to see men working.
Aye Tracy,
What trolling does the most is to sidetrack a thread.
For instance, someone wanting to research a topic on Kansas.com and comes across the topic of Politics/Bush.
And he/she finds this…
Farmie,As usual, you made my point for me. Again.
You do have the right to refuse service to anyone. Very easily. Make your business private. Admit only those that choose. People do it every day.
However, like I said, it’s a stupid business practice. You reduce your customer base – revenue – profits.
I’d have to agree with golfnut on that one – you can refuse service to anyone. Otherwise, all of those restaurants, bars, stores, etc that post signs saying, “we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone” would be illegal. And as far as I know they are legal – I don’t think that many businesses could get away with it otherwise.
WOW! In just a half-day this has caught up with the Arena thread!
One difference, the arena thread stayed on topic pretty well, this hasn’t…
Bush made a recent effort to change his image, by advertising that he was winning a year long reading contest with Karl Rove.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060820/28presidency.htm
and with this 9:32 post, nutz derailed the thread.
“The United Methodist Church does not condone the practice of homosexuality and consider this practice incompatible with Christian teaching”
It wasnt ME. My first post was at 11:38. By then, nutz had played the gay card, others had played the religion card, and others had introduced the bush is an idiot card.
But if you fire off stupid comments, I am going to call you on them. Dont piss on me for changing the subject. You did it.
And then tried to point it elsewhere.
Fleetie? “I thought all this started with a declaration that gays were discriminated against.”
heheheheheheheheh.
You just illustrated that you cant read. Or you refuse to read.
No wonder you cant do research, even on a thread you are POSTING, and all you have to do is scroll up.
Too much trouble? Or technical incompetence?
The thread you are thinking of was yesterday’s open thread. You cant even keep THAT straight.
AFN, you are also showing your ass.
So if I post a sign that says “whites only” that is legal?
What decade are YOU living in.
Businesses post those signs like “no shirt, no shoes, no service” because the law says “no shirt, no shoes, etc. The “we reserve the right to refuse service” is just a blanket phrase that has NO legal standing.
Lawyers? Am I right?
Or is AFN correct that a “whites only” sign is ok in a public business.
And nutz, suggesting I make my business a private club is a stretch even for YOU. YOU are the one that said businesses, not clubs, could do what they want.
KFG, outie and sum udder wingers are constantly complaining about my cutnpaste (read: facts).Saying that I’m now scroll-over land.So what the hay?You and I can derail any thread we wanna.We’re just scroll over shit anyway.
Yep, AFN. It’s true. If I have two flamers sitting in the corner of my restaurant making out, and I think it’s unacceptable – they’re gone.
However, why in the world would I exclude gays from my business just because they’re gay? I wouldn’t. It’s revenue and profit. Remember, business owners are whores, and we’ll do anything if we get paid.
But if their behavior/presence is disruptive to other customers, and it’s obvious that the $20 they’ll spend will cost me $200 in lost revenue from other customers – they’re gone.
See how easy?
ksfg, a “whites only” sign in a public accomodation is clearly unlawful. The “refuse to serve…” type signs are a CYA thing; the reasons for refusal of service must be lawful. If the reason for refusal is the race of the prospective customer alone, that sign will not protect the business.
hee hee hee hee Tracy.
I dont know why we piss them off if they are scrolling on by anyway.
I hope so. Leave the adult conversations to the adults.
Eds? Could we have a kiddie thread for these guys? They can throw little balls of their own feces in there…..
Excuse me, ASS, but I never said that they were or were not legal, but that I THOUGHT they were:
“And as far as I know they are legal – I don’t think that many businesses could get away with it otherwise.”
I never claimed to be a lawyer or to have any expertise in this matter! I just didn’t think it would be legal to even post those signs otherwise.
Thank you Vaughn. But I am sure your law degree and experience mean nothing to the peanut gallery.
That ain’t true for all business owners. Some of us won’t sacrifice everything for the all mighty fiat federal resvere note!
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
And as far as the “kiddies,” maybe you could be a little more mature yourself and not call everyone asses and such, otherwise that’s exactly what you’re going to get back.
That’s what you get for passing your opinion off as a fact AFN.
You “thought” it was true?
So now, what say you when presented with the facts?
A pissy little post. Wanna stomp yer feet too? Will that make the proof of your ignorance go away?
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehheheheh
Yeah. I am laughing at you.
And, Golf, I know that you meant to say that if there was a “straight” couple making out you could cause them to be removed for the same reasons.
I call “ass” when it is true.
Keep on posting what you post AFN.
You make it more clear all the time.
Heheheh Ian. Federal Reserve notes arent even money are they?
I know a little about “redemption” and the posse.
WTF! If you would scroll up a little bit, you would notice that I never said it was fact, I said it was my thoughts (i.e. opinions). And as far as presenting “facts,” you wouldn’t know a damn fact if it shot up your ass. Thankfully, I get to leave now, so I don’t have to read anymore of your ranting.
Farmie,I didn’t think I had tospellouteverydetailfor you re: how to limit your customers to those that you see fit.
Bottom line: if you own a business and want to serve whites only, you can.
“Bottom line: if you own a business and want to serve whites only, you can.”
See Vaughn? I told you so. You are a real lawyer, but nutz still knows the law better.
heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh
I think that just about says it all….
Vaughn,Straight couple, too.But, we’re not talking about that, are we?
Let’s say…I’m a manufacturer of golf balls, and I think that only white, conservative, men should have my golf balls.I open a club, and allow membership to only those that meet my requirements.I sell said golf balls only to members, and only within the boundaries of my club.The end.
So AFN, just to piss you off THIS is what you said:
“I’d have to agree with golfnut on that one – you can refuse service to anyone. Otherwise, all of those restaurants, bars, stores, etc that post signs saying, “we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone” would be illegal.”
I dont see you saying that is opinion or asking a question, you clearly posted that as fact.
And… buh-bye
Slink on off to the losers lounge with fleetie and sollie and germie. The whole hee haw gang will be waiting for you.
Kinda like heaven, eh?
Ah, Golf, that’s a bit different than just a “business”, don’t you think?
AFN, don’t have to read?Huh?You could be over at myspace & youtube all day and not have to worry about KFG’s rants. HAAsses?We LIKE asses.Two asses with lotsa thigh please?And a couple a brews for us lezbos quick!Get with it boy before we break out the leather. HA
The end nutz, except for one little thing…
You are, again, speaking of a PRIVATE CLUB, not a “public accomodation”.
Are you so stupid you have to get yer ass kicked TWICE on the same subject?
hee hee hee hee hee
I think the gene pool will likely cleanse itself if you think that is a good way to operate.
hehehehehehehhehehe
You didnt get the distinction between public and private the FIRST time?
hehehehehehehehehhehehehehhehehehehehe
Come on dude, say it again. Go for the TRIFECTA of stupid.
umm..Farmie?Pretty much everything posted on here is opinion. If we took the time to put “in my opinion…” before every post, it would be monumental waste of space.
From this day forward, I declare that every post I make shall have the assumed preface: “in my opinion…”
Amen.
VT – I was taught that you could fire based on ‘personal’ things but not on ‘protected’ ones. The example used was that you could fire the guy in the Chiefs shirt. I agreed with the instructor on that example but countered that you cannot fire the OU fan. He is covered by ADA.
;^)
Again, I proved it and you cemented it. I CAN own a business and I CAN serve only those that I deem acceptable as customers.
I win. The end.
See ya’ monday girl.I’m heading home.We’ve still got a few inches of ice, and we’re getting 4-6″ more by monday!
Uh, Tracy?
Two asses with extra thighs?
hee hee hee heehee
I like breasts myself. I bet we could eat fried chicken together just fine.
And I’m glad to know I dont have to compete with you for “my type”.
Even if we are both lezbos.
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehhehehehe
I can’t believe the attention this library is getting , and it isn’t even built yet!
If the George Bush Fan Club keeps growing, they’ll have to look for a double-wide phone booth to hold membership meetings!
you know, farm girl, normally I agree with you, and I have to say I agree with your take of the situation with you, sol, fleet, and golfie there… But, and granted I understand that this is a personal subject matter to you and therefore you are likely to get more fired up about it, you are seeming to get a little carried away. And you anger is covering up a lot of your valid points in this arguement… plus, AFN never passed if off as fact, she did use the words “I think” in her original post, which would mean it was her opinion and nothing more… not to try to anger you, understand, but just to point out that you are beginning to lash out at people that may otherwise support you
Good one, Ben; although I might aruge that the guy in the Chief’s shirt is entitled to ADA protection, too. :)
well gosh nutz, you did go for the trifecta of stupid!!!!!
Vaughn (the REAL lawyer) noted that clubs are not businesses. Businesses are not clubs. I know you think EVERY business is a “good ol boy club” but the law says different.
Funny Ben!!
See ya Tracy. Be careful on that ice.
And upon some reflection….
…we might fight over the thighs….
So wendy, show me where in that post she (?) said “I think”. Do you know AFN to know the poster is a she?
And nutz, are you AFN? Then why are you answering for AFN?
Ok Wendy, I await your proof.
ksfg, the correct denomination is “public accomodation” and “private club”. Truly, most of use the term “business” when referring to a “public accomodation”, although both the public accomodation and the private club are a “business” for most purposes.
…still waiting wendy….
Farm Girl – from the same quote you posted, the last two lines you left off (and I am sorry, she didn’t say I think, she said “as far as I know” – same difference really)
“And as far as I know they are legal – I don’t think that many businesses could get away with it otherwise.”
And, yes, I know AFN is a girl, she stated so on a post yesterday… I’d have to dig to find you exactly which one, but I can if you’d like…
Vaughn,No. If I’m enough of a bigot to only want my clients/customers to be white, conservative men – then what’s to stop me from creating such a business? Call it a club. Make it private. Do whatever it takes. If that’s what I want to do, it’s not hard. Remember, I said in my first post on this topic that it would be a stupid business strategy.
This is a very typical liberal tactic: find fault in the form. Every opinion/argument has two components: form and substance. Farmie said it was impossible for her to exclude certain people from her restaurant:
“So, if in my restaurant, I decided not to serve conservative, religous zealots, do you think the law would let me get away with that?”
My answer: Sure. Take it private.
Thank you Vaughn. But it doesnt change the fact that a private club is different from a public business. That is the distinction that nutz refuses to admit.
Private clubs can do MANY things that I cant do in a public business. Just because a private club can do something, it doesnt logically follow that a private business can legally do the same things.
When cornered, guys like nutz and woodie and girlies like germie and AFN like to parse the words, while ignoring the obvious meanings.
See, I decided to go ahead and do the research anyways… from the English speaking bill isn’t just about language blog from yesterday:
“AFN is the man.”
Thank you and although it really doesn’t matter, just a point of FYI, I’m a woman…”
and now, back to work – so no more responses from me, lest you think I am just running away on the conversation…
SHE SAW THE LIGHT!!!
Praise Jesus!
Parsing words is a fool’s game. Adding a gratuitous “as far as I know” doesnt get the poster off the hook.
I’d say if someone cant stand the heat here, they need to quit throwing fire bombs.
I will not let stupid posts stand without at least trying to correct errors.
And if you are full of crap, I’m going to call you on it.
Dont like it? Scroll on by….
“Slink on off to the losers lounge with fleetie and sollie and germie. The whole hee haw gang will be waiting for you.”
*I wasn’t slinking anywhere, I was leaving work to come home. When I don’t have a lot of work to do, I enjoy reading what others have to say and at times throwing an opinion in. Got a problem with that?
“AFN, don’t have to read?”
*Ok, so HAVE was a bad choice of words, I admit that. Sorry, I was in a hurry to come home.
“So wendy, show me where in that post she (?) said “I think”.”
“And as far as I know they are legal – I don’t think that many businesses could get away with it otherwise.”
*I copied my above comment and as you can see, I used the phrases “as far as I know” and “I don’t think.” And thank you Wendy for trying to help clarify the situation.
“Do you know AFN to know the poster is a she?”
Yes, she does know, because I said so in a comment on yesterday’ English language blog.
“And nutz, are you AFN?”
Hmm… A bit suspicious today aren’t we? I believe that would be the second or third accusation of that type that you have made today.
Sorry, this was quite long, just had to fill in the holes.
So… why is nutz answering for AFN? That was the question.
Yes, stupidity and bigotry always get me suspicious.
Check out fleet’s posts at 10:19, the ones he claimed as his. See if they dont perfectly mirror the nic stealing troll.
Whiney conservatives. You were pretty spunky, AFN, until someone called you on your crap. Scroll up and read your posts.
Then when called on it, you hid behind a weak “as far as I know” and started whining?
If you cant run with the old dogs, you need to stay up on the porch with the little pups.
And wendy, if you are a fairly new poster, you wouldnt know that we have gone down this road before where the very people spewing bigotry become the whiners about civility.
Sorry if you dont like my bluntness. But stupid is as stupid does.
Pardon me for pointing out the obvious….
heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh
KFG- Are you going to take all those scalps you’ve been aquiring and make something?
Maybe one of those Sonny/Cher vests?
Wooly moccasins?
hee hee hee hee gster
Nope, I just hang ‘em from my belt.
As a warning for others…..
I hope you have a big-ass industrial strength belt- -business seems fantastic! Maybe one with supenders?
PS: Big-ass belt = a wide belt, not the size!Phewwwwww!!
ksfarmgrrl can never get my scalp cause I’m a sasquatch. :)
Is that a third party?
hee hee hee gster
Unfortunately, you would have been correct on both counts.
Never trust a skinny chef!!!!!!!
Doees that mean I can keep mine?
You dont post while stupid gster. Your scalp is not in danger.
….and let’s all remember that it was the French that taught scalping to the Native Americans.
What the hell that means, I have no idea, but it sounded good.
“Tracy, you left one trolling behavior out. Nic stealing. Fleetie, you are SO busted on that.”
I did not do that. Period
I thought the topic of this thread was Bush’s library and SMU – what happened?
If the people can get up the 200 million dollars to build the thing, then they go put it anywhere they want to and the same goes for SMU. If they don’t want it there, they can decline. As I understand it, there are 2 more locations being considered, so what is the big deal here?
From what I read, George did not even go to the SMU but Laura did. So why would he want his library at her school?
I still catching up. The 10:19 post was mine. I still don’t get how my posting my own post makes me a troll or a nic stealer or whatever you are accusing me of.I think you have gone crazy.In my opinion, I think.
So bloggers, read fleet’s post.
Then tell me that is NOT the writing of the troll.
You are indeed SO busted fleetie.
#1) Does the blog historian know which topic/thread has the all time number of posts?
#2) I don’t mind being called a lot of things, but this troll accusation has me puzzled. farmgirl has thrown this out from her knowledge of syntax, style, blah blahHey, editors!! Check out this troll accusation.
Farm Girl I have been away from my computer for hours and I think when I came back in my opinion you were spewing the same old song. I think you have driven this one in the ground. I think that in my opinion Tracy has also. Where did I say I hated anyone? Where did I say I would not welcome anyone into my home? I think that in my opinion that maniacial laugh you do might be a sign of a behavior disorder. I think in my opinion.
The 10:19 post of Fleet’s sounds exactly like the troll. But does that mean that he and it are one in the same? That is the question. And, not unambigously answerable with available evidence.
WOW did this one get away while I was away.
I call that sad in a way. It will SEEM that there is or will be a great interest in the bush library. Likely the only REAL interest in a bush library will be as a hitsorical marker for where America finally started its final decline.
Is there some general troller I missed today? Did they remove some posts here?
BDP fleet is a troll is NOT news. He and the goof nut ROUTINELY troll.
For the Neocons, Republicans, conservative and generally ignorant folks out there……
This is the power that the GOP gave to Bush…
“The law states that once a person is detained, “no court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider any claim or cause of action whatsoever … relating to the prosecution, trial, or judgment of a military commission under this chapter, including challenges to the lawfulness of procedures of military commissions.”
Now, when President Obama takes office, are you STILL comfortable will this provision of the Military Commissions Act?
“Help! I’m a Lib and my hatred for Bush causes me to be blind. It causes me to make statements that can’t be backed up. It causes me to mourn Saddam’s death. It causes me to hope that the new plan fails, so I can say “I told you so, Bush is an idiot.” It causes me to say I support the troops, but I really don’t, but it sounds good.”
Posted by: fleettwood | January 19, 2007 at 10:19 AM
“BDP fleet is a troll is NOT news. He and the goof nut ROUTINELY troll.”
I give up. You got me. I only do it routinely which not all the time, but is more than sometimes. Damn it, man! I need more power, but I have no more power to give!Weak, crazy, confused, misguided, dopes.
Fleet, go back to sleep, your time has past. No one gives a shit anymore about you and your goofy positions. You add nothing and only stir the pot. Give it up.
oops. the “old” DA is back. he must be hittin’ the weed again.
“The law states that once a person is detained, “no court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider any claim or cause of action whatsoever … relating to the prosecution, trial, or judgment of a military commission under this chapter, including challenges to the lawfulness of procedures of military commissions.”
Now, when President Obama takes office, are you STILL comfortable will this provision of the Military Commissions Act?
Posted by: WSClark | January 19, 2007 at 06:45 PM
I am wrong that this is in regards to enemy combatants?
Everyone is actually a troll!!!!!
KSFRMGRL and KSGRM are actually the same person!!! Multiple personality disorder…
Golf nuts actually has never played golf!
WSClark is actually General Wessly Clark!!!!!
J R moved here from Dallas. After being shot…
Fleetwood is indeed a troll, but little do you all know that he is also actually a secret CIA agent sent to disrupt the blog!!!!!
“Troll” entry from international dictionary of blogging:A troll is a small creature with a slightly squished face and pointy neon hair. They are native to the grasslands of Kansas and their entire life cycle consists of plotting to discredit internet bloggers, particular on the WEBLOG.