Want to live longer? Get a diploma

Some medical researchers have made a startling finding about the secret to health and a long life — get an education.
“The one social factor that researchers agree is consistently linked to longer lives in every country where it has been studied is education,” reported the New York Times. The researchers say education seems far more important to health than other factors often thought to be crucial, such as health insurance and money.
This adds an interesting twist to ongoing debates in Kansas and nationwide about how to improve health care. As part of that effort, maybe we should redouble efforts to keep teenagers in high school.
Posted by Randy Scholfield

110 Comments

  1. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    “maybe we should redouble efforts to keep teenagers in high school.”

    Or maybe not, Randy.

    A little chlorine in the uneducated Kansas gene pool wouldnt hurt a damn thing.

    Let the herd thin itself out!

  2. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    Although…

    Given the amount of “book lernin’” the phelps family has availed itself of in kansas public schools, it might mean they could be around to annoy us for a veeeerrrrry long time.

    NOT a good thing for the kansas gene pool.

  3. Posted January 7, 2007 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    People who get educations tend to have advantages from birth; I know I did; but I have yet to live really long.

    An aside: I’ve got a hobby of comparing people with the contents of their grocery carts. Generally, good looking people eat good food; potato eating walmart hags fill thier carts with Mountain Dew.

    Of course exceptions exist.

  4. Mary Caruso
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    Why is this a surprise? Those who make better choices in life tend to smoke less, eat better, exercise, and stay in school.Those who are less educated and live at a lower socio-economic level often smoke more and eat more junk food. I see this everyday when I work, for the most part, a person’s health is directly related to the kinds of choices they make.

  5. Jim G.
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Door King,”Potato eating Walmart Hags” caused me to laugh out loud.I agree with your observational demographic studies.If a person wants to feel good about themselves and feel bad about humanity…just visit Walmart and observe the scum. You will know them by the 50′ radius of cigarette stench that preceeds them.

  6. Ian Santiago
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    I love the pic of the affirmative action negress holding her “degree”. lmrfsaao

    Viva la Raza Blanco!!

  7. Posted January 7, 2007 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Yup, I don’t this is a cause and effect relationship.

    It looks to me like it’s a co-factor.

    Richer people have more access to health care and they have more access to education.

    People who work in risky jobs tend to have less education–meat packers, truck drivers, house movers.

    A lot of positives are associated with the wealth and leisure that one needs to pursue education.

  8. Posted January 7, 2007 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    It’s like saying that “people who drink bottled water live longer.”

    Maybe true. But it’s more likely that the concern for health and the extra expendable income shown by buying bottled water are the real reasons for longer life.

  9. fleettwood
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    This is just another effort by Scholfield to throw more into the rat hole known as Public Education. Then we can throw more money into remedial education, then into re-training programs, then into halfway houses and on and on.

  10. Mr Kia
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Naysayers why don’t you walk into your local grocery store and compare some of the prices of fruits and vegatables, fruit juices and bottled water vs. pototo chips, pork rines, other processed food snacks and soda pop and then bring your good health is only for the rich talk back.

  11. fleettwood
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Maybe we could really help the poor and stop taxing grocerys.

  12. Mr Kia
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    It won’t be long fleet until there is a higher tax on trans fats sellers like the fast food industry that’s one thing for sure.And the left will bitch then about how there super-sized big mac meals are overtaxed, this is the only meal I can afford and it’s the rich and yada yada yada.Save us from ourselves and mix in a salad.

  13. raptor
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Interesting observation from above:”Those who are less educated and live at a lower socio-economic level often smoke more and eat more junk food.”

    And, the number one question, WHY are they less educated? It is a CHOICE. Free public education is there for everyone…and those that CHOOSE to not avial themselve of the FREE public education thus doom themselves to remain in lower income brackets due to their lack of education.

    That CHOICE affects is all.

  14. Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Right, Raptor.

    And why are no Nobel prizes for physics handed out to residents of Khazakstan or Haiti?

    Technically, you’re right. Education in this country is available to whoever wants it.

    But it’s overly simplistic to say that anyone can overcome their background to get an education. If you’re raised to despise education as a lot of kids are, if you’re from a home in which your parents wish you had not been born and let you know that every minute of your life, your chances of getting a good education are tremendously compromised.

    They have a choice the way someone with major depression has a choice to commit suicide.

  15. fleettwood
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Victimhood lives!!!

  16. raptor
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    My mistake, Capn. I was referring to free education in THIS COUNTRY. I forgot to add that part, thinking it was obvious to MOST people.

  17. Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Blaming the victim lives!!!

  18. fleettwood
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Victim of what? Poor choices? Giving up?

  19. Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Okay. Rap. Let me type this real slow for you.

    If it were simply a matter of “choice,” we’d see brilliant achievements in science etc. from all around the world.

    Obviously, some systems are better at producing achievement than others. What’s true between countries is also true WITHIN countries.

    Compared with foreign countries, our higher ed system is great. It is more democratic than any other that I know of, and a large measure of our success as a society.

    But that still doesn’t mean that anyone can “choose” to get an education even here. There are still inequalities that need to be rooted out and solved for to the extent they can be solved.

  20. Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Naysayers why don’t you walk into your local grocery store and compare some of the prices of fruits and vegatables, fruit juices and bottled water vs. pototo chips, pork rines, other processed food snacks and soda pop and then bring your good health is only for the rich talk back.

    Are you saying good food is cheaper than bad food or vice versa, kia?

  21. Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    I get so sick of that CHOICE bullshit; especially when a large percentage of those expounding on it are against choice.

  22. Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Fleettwood–

    Are you really that dumb or do you just pretend to be to irritate me?

    Let’s say a hunter has two dogs. Since you don’t seem to have any sympathy for humans, maybe you have some for dogs.

    He has two dogs. The first dog he patiently trains day after day to trail, to point, to retrive. He is lavish in his praise and rewards.

    The second dog he keeps penned up all day and night. He feeds it just barely enough to keep it alive, and kennels it outside in the rain and snow. Everytime he see it, he curses it and kicks it.

    Now which dog is going to be the better hunter?

    Humans, which have much less instinct and much more need of nurturing and training, react the same way.

    There are foster kids in our society that have lived in 5-10-12 families before they’re 15 years old.

    To say that they have the same choice as someone in a stable, loving family with two educated parents is grossly oversimplistic and just non-sensical.

  23. JM
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    I guessing some of these folks never had grandparents or parents that canned their own food. :)

  24. fleettwood
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    An awful lot of words to end up saying nothing.There are some things the goverment can do, but what you propose is not one of them. Society at large can do those jobs, but some societies in America are not doing them. They, like you, want the goverment to do it for them. It’s a non-starter.Have you seen the rate of 4th graders can’t read, babies out of wedlock, single parent households etc.? As I’ve said before, the compassion train has burnt up.

  25. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    hee hee hee DK

    The thing that jumped out at me on that post was the smoking part. I get that economics can encourage or discourage certain food choices, but if one is looking for a place to cut back spending, seems like cigs would be at the top of the list.

    God help me I sound like joe williams :)

    And in an even more disturbing development, I agree with fleets too that food items should not be taxed at the retail level. Nor should prescription drugs.

    Throw in those two stipulations and I could be convinced that a national sales tax is not a bad thing. A consumption tax instead of an income tax.

    Of course, the republicans would figure out a way to exempt the rich, but hey, what’s new?

  26. Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Ah, okay, so you’re saying it’s impossible and we shouldn’t even try.

    Okay, fine.

    I guess we liberals are just a little more optimistic than you.

    It’s morning in America to us.

  27. fleettwood
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    It’s morning in America to us.

    What a laugh, capn!

  28. JM
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    I’m would say genetics play a huge role in longevity as well. On my father’s side, they live up to their middle 90s. On my mother’s side they live up to their lower 80s.

    Another thing that I noticed is that my father’s side always picked occupations that were physical, walked to where they were going instead of driving and generally were more physical.

    On my mother’s side, they were more sedentary, choosing occupations that involved a lot of sitting (lawyers, clerks, etc.) Also, they tended to be more sedentary in hobbies they chose.

    My mother’s side was usually more educated on the average. From what I can see the education didn’t help them live longer because it caused them to be more sedentary.

    I guess the bottom line is that you want to live longer, become active, become educated and generally choose a healthy life style by being informed.

  29. Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Mr Kia,

    “how there super-sized big mac meals are overtaxed,”

    McD’s Big Mac has only 1.5 grams trans fat — but that’s still more than a person should consume daily. Even higher amounts:Chicken strips (3 pcs) = 3.5 gSausage biscuit = 5 g.Deluxe breakfast = 11 g.Deluxe cinnamon roll = 6 g.Apple pie = 4.5 g.

    Want to live longer? Learn more about what you eat. http://www.bantransfat.org/

  30. political_mom
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Oh yes, those who are the richest among us here are also the ones bitching about what poor people buy to eat. Gee that figures.

    Let me give you 100 bucks and you go to the grocery store, that 100 bucks has to last you two weeks. Please, go try it. I won’t even ask you to include household supplies.

  31. Posted January 7, 2007 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    How much money could you save if you quit smoking? Lose your cell phone? Turn off the internet?

    If you’ve only got $50/week to eat, you’ve got your priorities screwed up.

  32. JM
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    I spend about $200.00 per month on groceries. And usually have carry over from month to month. Just me, so I can splurge a bit, but usually don’t.

    Buy lots of veggies which I cook and freeze. Make my own tomato juices, sauces, etc. Harder to cook for one as there are an abundance of large sized things. Head of lettuce is too much for one person, so I end up buying the smallest bag of that mixed salad stuff.

    No convenience foods except maybe microwave popcorn. Fresh milk,eggs, flour, butter, beef, chicken, rice, noodles, fruits, veggies…

    All a person needs. :)

  33. WSClark
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Hey, Nutz, imagine how much more productive you could be if you stopped boring us with your mindless nonsense?

    BTW – Aren’t you supposed to be the Husband and Father of the Year? Why aren’t you spending time with your “family?”

  34. Posted January 7, 2007 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    JM,Be prepared. PeeMom is gonna tell you that it’s cheaper to feed a family at McDonalds than it is to cook healthy foods at home.

    We’ve been down this path.

  35. political_mom
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    You are full of it JM, you must be eating out a LOT to make 200 bucks in food last you over a month.

    I AM good with food, I buy in bulk, make casseroles, freeze what we don’t use. We spend 600 at the store per month, for four but that also includes shampoo, soaps, all the household stuff, also almost everything we buy is generic.

    The food bill is bigger than anything else we pay, including the mortgage. And we don’t eat a lot of fresh or frozen veggies and fruits, because it is just not affordable. Canned are almost just as bad as not eating them at all.

  36. JM
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Yes, thank you Political Mom, I’m usually full after I eat at home. :)

    I guess I should have qualified some that as a retired military person I can go to the Commissary, which is about on average 25 percent cheaper than Dillons.

  37. political_mom
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    ah, well that does explain a lot now doesn’t it, thanks for at least being honest about it.

  38. Mr KIA
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    I just looked at our overall expenses from 2006 (my wife is an accountant and keeps almost anal track of this type of thing).We spent $150 a week total on food last year. This includes eating out way more than we probably should and me eating lunch out probably three times a week.We are a family of 4 with children 8 and 5.

  39. fleettwood
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Groceries are also our large expense. Could be over $250 per week. The State gets 7.3 percent of that. What a rip off.

  40. Wiseman
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    A Poor man’s saying –

    I would get educated everyday if some people would stop hindering me when I am trying.

    P.S.“Stop making fun of my cardboard house!”

  41. Jim G.
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    The root..the absolute root of the uneducated is that any two people can have sex and produce a child.All one needs to do is visit Walmart to see the root of the problem.How will we change this?1) scumocide (just joking)2) We have a public school system full of exhausted jaded teachers. We must reeducate the teachers and hold them accountable for presenting risk/reward analysis to each and every student. Ignoring bad students is what creates the Walmart disease.We need to have home visit by school administrators to observe the rat infested shitholes that the uneducated parents have for their children.

    You can tell I loath scummy white trash, black trash, brown trash, and yellow trash.

    We need to outlaw cigarettes. Personally, I would like to take a club and whack scumbag parents upside the head. I hate to see children influenced by dipshits.

    “I ain’t got no teachin’ and I eat just fine with these here three teeth, so son, you don’t need no teachin’ eder” “On election day I vote for the republicans because they hate them gays like we do.”"Now son, it’s time for me to wash your wiener, come here boy!”

    FUCK!!! I hate to see kids suffer.

  42. political_mom
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    See, Kia, you spend way more than I do, and you eat out and at work.

  43. political_mom
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Interesting Jim that you think Walmart people are all just scum, and that people who smoke seem to be somehow more harmful to their kids than those who are druggies and boozers.

  44. Mary Caruso
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    I was shopping at Walmart today, I guess I’m scum, too.I’ve worked with high risk families for a long time, I can tell you one of the biggest factors is that there are a lot of people who just aren’t very smart. When you have a below average IQ, it’s harder to succeed at anything, especially school. Those are the people who fall behind the most. At one time a person could work at the gas station or bag groceries and still survive, it’s really hard to do that today. The world has changed so much and all the technology has left many of the average or below-average people behind.I have clients who can’t even read and write, how in the world are they supposed to accomplish anything? There was a time when they could squeak by doing manuel labor, but no more.The other big factor is young people becoming parents before the age of 25…the consequences of that are obvious.

  45. fleettwood
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    Mary-Very good post. I am with you on everything except the manual labor part. Construction labor pays fairly well and no “brains” required. Very hard work.

  46. political_mom
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    And what happens when their bodies get injured so bad from doing all those years of hard manual labor that it leaves them unable to do jobs like that anymore- like myself?

    It doesn’t even depend on being smart.

  47. Posted January 7, 2007 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Hard manual labor = healthy life.

  48. Posted January 7, 2007 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    Unless, of course, you ruin it with smoking and/or other abuses.

  49. Jim G.
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Okay, so now we’re feeling sorry for the dumb and unmotivated.Also-I did not say all Walmart shoppers are scum..I said one only need to go to Walmart to see the scum of society.AND I am willing to bet my giant testicles that everyone on this blog knows exactly what I mean about visiting Walmart.As for peeps not making it in the world. Well, shit.I don’t much care. If you’re dumb enough to stay dumb…then dumb you will be.There are MANY jobs held by illegal immigrants that our stinky white scum could perform…if they weren’t so fucking dumb.Yes, I am saying that cigarette smokers tend to be trashy scummy people. It is a disgusting gross smelly offputting choice. If you smoke and think you are also smart…nope, you are dumb.How in the fuck did forcing smoke into lungs ever become something someone would choose to do.And yes, if you smoke around children, those kids will grow up to believe you are a scummy pig…and you will break their hearts when they are 35yrs old and you have to push your little oxygen tank through walmart.Smokers should be forced to visit the cancer ward. You sick smelly people.

  50. Jim G.
    Posted January 7, 2007 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    and another thing…educated people do not smoke.

  51. RD
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 3:23 am | Permalink

    Education doesn’t make you smart, Jim. Just look at yourself.

  52. Posted January 8, 2007 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    “Education doesn’t make you smart” (almost always spoken/written by someone with very little education)

  53. political_mom
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    Actually Jim, many respiratory therapists are Smokers. Seriously. Some nurses, and I even know of a doctor who did too.

    I helped my grandmother with her O2 tank as well as watched her die of emphysema. Did it break my heart- no. She was 67, there are a lot of people who die younger than that for totally unrelated things. I watched many people die of many different things- cancer, COPD, alzheimers…

    So if I die from smoking 50 years, that’s ok, we’ve all gotta die sometime. I just hope my death is quick though and not drawn out. Anything will kill you if you do it every day for 50 years.

    Jim hates smokers, that is obvious, but to say that they’re all uneducated or stupid is wrong. They’re addicted.

  54. KSGolfnut
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Victim!Victim!Victim!

    “I’m addicted!”

    “It’s the drug’s fault!”

    “I’m not responsible!”

  55. Ian Santiago
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    Stinky White scum, huh, Jimbo? I have a first class, one way ticket to haiti or somalia for ya, moron!

    Viva La revolucion Blanco!!

  56. political_mom
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    I’m glad you finally admitted your shortcomings David Testicles.

  57. TRACY
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    Bill didn’t inhale.smartGeorgie inhaled, snorted and chugged.dumb

  58. TRACY
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    Mom VS. Balls show.Ver. 01.08.07

    Booooring.

  59. Ian Santiago
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    PMOM/Golfnutz,

    Would you two kindly just go get a room! This ain’t highschool, thanks.

    Viva La Raza Blanco!!

  60. political_mom
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    augh Ian, that gives me a bad bad bad feeling, even coming from you.

  61. Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Here’s a serious observation:

    I work with a variety of people – some highly educated and some highly experienced in a trade or other skill.

    The CEOs I know, the VPs, the directors, the business owners – none of them smoke. None. I can’t think of a single one I know that smokes. Oh, I’m sure, if I looked hard enough, I’d find one or two in that group that smoke – but the vast majority do not.

    Conversely, the tradesmen, the plant workers, the secretaries – certainly the lower income bracket – they tend to smoke in much greater numbers. And they’re far less able to afford the habit. I’m not claiming any high percentage of smokers in this group, but it’s WITHOUT A DOUBT higher than the previously noted group.

    Why is that?

    PeeMom has suggested many times that there is a “smoking gene” that makes one more attracted and less able to quit. Does this same “gene” also keep one from becoming more educated? OR…does the education allow the “gene” to LEARN to accept that it cannot control the actions of the whole body – a sort of “genetic suppression”?

    Without a doubt, there is a cause and effect relationship between education and smoking.

  62. TRACY
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    Yeah right,and mother’s milk leads to heroin use also.

  63. butterbeans
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Groceries are also our large expense. Could be over $250 per week. The State gets 7.3 percent of that. What a rip off

    Grow your own and quit your bitchin- tired of you guys being the victim, oooh the grocery store is ripping me off. Farmers got expenses too good grief.Cut out the middle man if you can’t afford it.

  64. TRACY
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    You can either hold yourself up to the unrealistic standards of others,or ignore them and concentrate on being happy with yourself as you are…..J. Jacques

  65. Ian Santiago
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Golfnut,

    I worked in finance back east and MOST of the traders, brokers and mangers were heavy into cocaine use and the use of other drugs. Your observations don’t ting true, at least not to me.

    Viva la Raza blanco!!

  66. TRACY
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    butterbean,when’s your next fight?

  67. butterbeans
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    as soon as I can piss off fleetwood

  68. political_mom
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Tracy are you in pissy mode today too? WTH?

    Golf, since you made a ‘actual’ discussion point, I’ll answer you.

    Ask how many of them used to be smokers, I’ll bet you find plenty. Maybe they had the resources to quit easier than the poor?

    And Ian is right (I can’t freaking believe I’m saying that), that still doesn’t exempt them from the more ‘popular’ rich guy vices like booze and coke.

  69. anon
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Barack Obama is a smoker.

  70. KSGolfnut
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    “resources to quit” ???

    My parents were both heavy smokers in the 60’s. When it became apparent that smoking caused cancer and was inherently unhealthy – they both quit. Cold turkey. No resources required.

    And I happen to be very good friends with an addiction specialist in Wichita (He’s an MD), and the cost of his “resources” costs can easily be offset by the savings of not buying the cigarettes. So – there goes that logic.

    I submit again the following hypothesis: lesser education = greater propensity to smoke.

    Alternative hypothesis: Smoking = lesser desire to get an education.

  71. fleettwood
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    butterbean-I should have been more clear. I wasn’t griping about the price of food. I was griping about having to pay 7.3 percent tax on it.

  72. KSGolfnut
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Additionally: I won’t hire smokers. It’s not allowed in our office – inside or out. We don’t have smoke breaks.

  73. political_mom
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Yeah goof, the price OVER TIME will even out. But I don’t HAVE the 2-300 a month in medication, nor the extra to shell out to drive to find a hypnotist.

    Cold turkey hasn’t worked for many- obviously. So just because YOUR parents did it, doens’t mean others can.

  74. KSGolfnut
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Well, my parents are well educated. And they are strong-willed and of high character. That explains it.

  75. Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    And supports my hypothesis.

  76. political_mom
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    You’ll have to excuse me if I don’t buy the high character part- they did produce you afterall.

  77. ,morg
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    pmom if you really want to quit go to your family doc try welbuterin 300mg for 30 days. I smoked for thirty years wasn’t that hard to quit with the drug.Been off for a year and half.Pack and half a day habit saving a ton of money.

  78. KSGolfnut
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    morg-Well done.

  79. Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Pee,I don’t expect you to buy it. Afterall, they are everything you dispise: they work hard, they earn what they get, they succeed.

  80. political_mom
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    I can’t take wellbutrin, btdt.

    And yeah it did help for awhile till I had to stop taking it.

  81. Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Although, I must acknowledge my jealousy for my own parents right now.

    They’re in Cabo – 85°, sunny, ocean breeze, beach, golf course…

    I’m here.

  82. political_mom
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Good parents teach their children to be respectful of others, even if they’re not wealthy.

    Either they didn’t teach it, or you didn’t learn it.

  83. TRACY
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Mom, no.I’m not feeling pissy.Just snarky.Full of piss and vinegar,whatever that means?

    A cowboy rides his horse up to a saloon.

    All the patrons gawked as the cowboy kissed his horse on the butt before coming in and asking for a drink.

    The bartender serves him and asks, “Mind if I ask why’d ya kiss your horse on the butt?”

    The cowboy says, “It’s ’cause I got chapped lips.”

    The bartender asks, “Does manure help them heal?”

    Cowboy replies, “No, but it keeps me from licking them.”

  84. Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    I’m quite respectful of others. Especially those that deserve the respect.

    People that perpetually whine about their lives or take illegal drugs or have weak character need the “tough love” approach. They taught me that, too.

  85. TRACY
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    I asked a plastic surgeon if he could do sumpin’ about my big nose.

    He said my nose is fine,it’s just that my eye-sockets are too deep!

  86. Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    An eskimo is having trouble with his snomobile, so he takes it to the repair shop.

    The mechanic checks it out and says “Looks like you’ve blown a seal.”

    Eskimo: “Hey, that’s just ice on my beard.”

  87. political_mom
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Ah Toughlove, yes I remember that program. It pretty much died out didn’t it.

    Meaning, you got no love as a kid. If you didn’t perform, you weren’t good enough. No wonder you hang all your measure of success by how much money you make. I’d really hate to see something bad happen to your money- it truly might kill you.

  88. Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Nah…Tough love = being smart enough to see through BS and say “look, you’ve got all the tools. Use them.”

  89. fleettwood
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    I haven’t quit smoking, but I have cut down to one at a time.

  90. TRACY
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Balls, I retract an earlier statement that you knew nothing about recovery.I’ve probably spilled more booze than you’ve drank, but haven’t had a drink in nearly a decade.Thank God.I bounced in and out of AA for ten years trying to quit.Learned a few things, finally.1) The more you get tough on MOST drunks, the more they drink.2) You can’t be there to hold the door to the booze store shut, every time one of your fellow drunks wants a drink.

    When I was active in ‘the group’, there were plenty of people who were court-ordered to attend.Since AA is not court affiliated, I would meet the court ordered drunks at the bar to sign their paper that said they attended.

  91. Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Pee, I’m gonna be in Salina the 20th and 21st of this month for a swim meet. Wanna have lunch? =) My 12 yr old will be with me, so I promise to behave.

  92. Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Tracy,Glad to hear you’ve got a handle on your addiction. I’m good for 3-4 drinks /week. Usually glasses of wine with dinner. Beer in the summer after golf. Even in college, I was just never a big drinker. I didn’t like myself being out of control.

    And I’ve never really had to spend much time dealing with drunks, so I’ll defer to your expertise.

    If tough love doesn’t work on MOST drunks, what does?

  93. TRACY
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    That’s a highly debated and complicated topic.Check out the 12 steps.And the 12 traditions.A former preacher of mine preached the 12 steps in almost every sermon, and the congregation never knew it, but LOVED it.

    (I don’t tell new folks that it’s REALLY the bible in drag.)

  94. TRACY
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    The 12 Suggested Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous1)We admitted we were powerless over alcohol–that our lives had become unmanageable.

    2)Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

    3)Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

    4)Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

    5)Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

    6)Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.

    7)Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

    8)Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.

    9)Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

    10)Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

    11)Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.

    12)Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

  95. TRACY
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    THE TWELVE TRADITIONS

    1. Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.

    2. For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority – a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.

    3. The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.

    4. Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.

    5. Each group has but one primary purpose – to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.

    6. An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.

    7. Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.

    8. Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.

    9. A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.

    10. Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.

    11. Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio and films.

    12. Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.

  96. TRACY
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Balls, these (and fellowship with others like me,) are the tools you mention.

  97. fleettwood
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Didn’t we beat the crap out of these subjects yesterday?More red meat! More red meat!And then we’ll have some pudding.

  98. Jim G.
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    People who smoke are not educated. Why? Because if they were truly educated, they would not smoke.

    People who are poor and uneducated deserve respect just like anyone else – however – blowing $25 a week on smokes, while on feed stamps, deserves absolutely no respect.What is it with the scummy whites who shop at Walmart – their kids walk around with dirty faces, dirty hands, torn clothes – I cannot respect that. It makes me want to vomit in their stringy haired mama’s face.

    Ian Santiago- Viva La Fuck you

  99. SolDevVB
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Jim G’s breakfast–

    Carnation-instant-Bitch

  100. Posted January 8, 2007 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Tracy,I know about step #8 – only because I was an avid Seinfeld watcher for many years.

    My best friend is a pastor. I’m gonna have to ask him if he’s ever considered ‘mixing in’ the steps in his sermons. Or, maybe he already has…

  101. Jim G
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Einstein smoked. That makes me wrong about almost everything. Except what I eat for breakfast,Carnation-instant-Bitch

  102. TRACY
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Balls, replace the words AA and/or we, with THE CHURCH.Hooo-boy.INSTANT SERMON!

  103. TRACY
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Jim, instead of coming here to bitch, whine & generally take cheap shots at people,tell us about yourself.

    Who do you agree with?What politics do you support?What do you expect from commenting here?Do you hope to educate and/or change people’s opinions?

  104. RD
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Educated.

    Would Golfnuts and Jim please give a definition of that?

  105. Mary Caruso
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    I saw a woman in Quik Trip buy cigarettes with a vision card. I asked the manager how that’s possible, he said that the vision card has two parts, one part for food and one part for cash. The cash they can spend anyway they want.Why doesn’t it surprise me that the governemnt will subsidize someone’s smoking habit, then turn around and payout thousands for their medical treatment when they get sick. I guess it’s the American way, makes no sense at all.

  106. political_mom
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    ah that’s new, no wonder people are confused. I see how that would be easier than sending paper checks now.

    Alanon teaches that reacting to the problem only enhances the problem, and turns you into a co-dependent.

    I’m politicalmom and I am a co-dependent. I enable Testicles.

  107. Mary Caruso
    Posted January 8, 2007 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Not reacting to a problem is one of the strongest reactions.

  108. RD
    Posted January 9, 2007 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    Most of the nation’s total government benefits go to persons in the middle or upper classes, with only 14% of total government benefits going to the poor. Cash assistance payments account for just over 1% of all federal benefits programs.

  109. Posted October 26, 2007 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Want to become a doctor in 2 minutes? Want to have the option for PhD in medical science? Do you really want to spend 6 years in order to become a specialist in archeology? I guess not.

    http://www.txtapic.com/harvard_diploma/

  110. Posted November 16, 2007 at 4:23 am | Permalink

    Education is more impportant because it gives required and necessary information for humans how to take care about their health. It establishes a set of general rules which help people to protect themselves from widespread diseases.

    http://www.dalloway-school.com