If you’re planning a trip to a major city in the last quarter of this year, you may want to reschedule: Millions are expected to die in urban terror attacks around then.
Then again, televangelist Pat Robertson has been wrong before. Last year, for example, he predicted gigantic storms and a tsunami on the Eastern Seaboard. He also famously claimed to have leg-pressed 2,000 pounds.
This year, he’s relaying a recent conversation with God in which he was informed of the terrorist threat.
“The Lord didn’t say nuclear. But I do believe it will be something like that,” Robertson said.
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Dubya talks to God. Did he tell God to tell Pat that?
The Islamists will attack Manhattan with a nuke device in the spring or summer of 2008. The outer boroughs of New York will not be destroyed by the blast but the Manhattan centre will be devastated.
There will be much fury on the part of the American people when they discover that the terrorists and their device came across the southern border with help from the Mexican and Salvadoran criminal gangs. The elemental forces of chaos will be unleashed and massive deportations of troublesome elements will commence. Also, the Muslims will be placed into American detention camps.
The American government will also use the attacks to force the citizens to accept the mandatory national identification card with the R.F.I.D chip.
I can see…into the future…Pat Robertson…will continue to make…a complete fool out of himself…yet the media…will continue….to give him undeserved attention…and his…insane wingnut followers…will continue…to watch his show…the 700 Club… broadcast straight…from an alternate universe.
Yes, Pat is wrong again. The terror he is referring to will commence in the second quarter this year, not the last. Good luck!
“No one can save me, because I’m so f*ing STUPID.”
Way to go, troll. Probably the only honest statement you’ll make all day.
Good morning, RD!
. . . and the rightious shall smite the notrightious with empty wine bottles and stale cigarettes. Know ye Pat Robertson speaks the word of god. In this case, God being what Pat heard after being smitted with the empty wine bottle.
Hey, makes as much sense as either Pat or Ian.
If you google Pat Robertson Quotes…you can get a reading list of the many many many stupid things this man has said. He really is a waste and our media gives him credibility. The lord needs to call that looney lamb up to the green green pastures of home.He is somewhat like Dubya. By surrounding himself with sycophants he actually begins to believe his own hype. Lord, please crack your whip on this dirty sumbitch.
Here’s a small sample of what Jim mentions:
7) “I would warn Orlando that you’re right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don’t think I’d be waving those flags in God’s face if I were you, This is not a message of hate — this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It’ll bring about terrorist bombs; it’ll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor.” –Pat Robertson, on “gay days” at Disneyworld
6) “(T)he feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.” –Pat Robertson
I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one:’O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.’And God granted it…..Voltaire (1694 - 1778)
The guy has been preaching jew worship and race mixing for years, how much more nutty or satanic do you want him to be?
Viva la Raza Blanco!!
If a person of an earth-based religion gifted with divination skills had made the same prediction, s/he would have been blasted by Robertson as a witch and heretic.
I certainly can’t speak for all conservatives, but the ones I know think Pat is ridiculous.
We don’t pay him any attention. In fact, the media does plenty of that.
And this is the type of ChristIST who would rule America by his version of ‘Sharia’ (Biblical Law)
I wonder how much money Pat Robertson raised with this bit of wisdom from his loyal followers? Pat Robertson is in the same class as Rush Limbaugh, he has found the perfect way to separate the money the fools.
It’s exactly this type of statement that makes me glad I don’t associate with evangelists of this ilk.
Pat Robertson appears to be a stand up man in all other respects when it comes to God’s word. Sometimes, I wish his wife (if still living?) would come on his show and drag him off stage by his ear for being such a beetle-headed dolt.
Wow…it appears to be universal agreement that Pat Robertson is a moron…we found something that can unify most everyone! Sorta like universal revulsion of the cult from Topeka.
Amazing what people claim in the name of ‘religion’…
Robertson’s wife would never question Pat - she knows her role as a subservient woman. The evangelicals that I know want their women at home, preferably pregnant and in the kitchen.
But I lived in the deep South and Pat Robertson is a God down there. Nobody questions him and I’m afraid that his son is just like him - so the dynasty won’t die out.
I can’t wait to hear all you dumb asses eating crow.
I got confused,… would that be regular crow or the annointed type?
GSTER–HAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
good one
CS,Rush doesn’t take donations. If he’s “separating money from fools,” then he’s taking it from the corporations that you liberals love to hate. It’s a bit of a conundrum, huh?
It’s gauche not to have one’s crow properly prepared!
Others have to settle for Domestic Buzzard!
Tastes like chicken. I like mine with a little curleys bbq sauce.
abit:
What exactly are we “eating crow” about?
The wacko speaks again. I can’t beleive people still listen to Pat Roberts(on).
Why would the terrorists want to attack before the 2008 elections? An attack prior to that would risk getting their favorite candidates into office, the Hillary/Osama ticket. Once the Democrats control Congress AND the White House, bend over because here comes the attacks on our soil.
What you expect from religious people? Most are crackpot Jehovah or Baptist
No less than Osama bin Laden, D (does the D stand for “dumb”?), said that the Bush administration has helped their cause.
The links are all over the internet, but I can link to it if you need help–and you probably will, I reckon.
Funny how the only attack on our soil came when your guy was in the Oval Office . . .
Haven’t you got the memo? The “orange alert” and “plastic and duct” thing just isn’t working for you guys any more.
You might try, oh I don’t know, GOVERNING . . . but now that the adults are back in charge of Congress, it looks like that’s too late.
Sucks to be you.
“Funny how the only attack on our soil came when your guy was in the Oval Office”
C’mon Cap’n!!!!
The FIRST world trade center bombing came on someone else’s watch. Just wondering though, what happened after that? Oh yeah, nothing really. Huh
Did I say Rush took donations? No…read again. I said Rush knows how to separate money from the fools.
So, you might want to refresh your reading and comprehensiion skills.
That 2000# didn’t happen to be his old lady, did it?
CapnAmerica,You believe that Congress who is beholden to the military-industrial complex which failed the American people by giving that monkey of a president god-like authority to wage a war without an exit strategy is somehow going to change when Democrats who are still beholden to the same military-industrial complex become the majority? Delusional is as delusional does.America will fall, the secular government will fall, and the white man will destroy the Jew controlled capitalism which started the Iraq War in the first place. This government does not act on the basis of democracy, but on Jew capitalism. That is a fact.
After the 1993 WTC bombing, the mastermind was arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced to life without parole, where he is currently, on Bomber’s Row with Terry Nichols and the Unabomber.
As I recall, the WTC bombing in 1993(?) was handled through the courts and the attackers are all serving life in prison.
And the guy who master minded 9/11 is where? We don’t know and we don’t even think about him anymore according to George W. Bush.
Until Bush makes good on his promise of capturing Bin Laden, everything the man says and does is suspect.
Zweiihander, are you related to Ian Santiago?
Sharing the same brain?
Drinking the same kool-aid?
The master mind was captured. Huh. He had no affiliations with terror networks? Huh.
OBL, I think half the world is looking for him. Either dead or holed up in a cave somewhere. But yeah, it’s Bush’s fault that we haven’t found him.
So instead of going after the small fish, like busting a dime bag pot dealer or a small time cell leader, Bush went after OBL, like a cartel leader in Columbia. But shame on Bush for not doing what nobody else seems to be able to do either.
Back to the subject of Pat Robertson.
How does this guy keep getting elected to the Senate, anyway? Doesn’t Kansas have any standards at all? (OK, so there IS that hottie Kathleen Sebelius, GRRAAUUGH)
More predictions for 2007:
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2007/01/04/mexican-warlock-makes-2007-predictions/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chron.com%2Fdisp%2Fstory.mpl%2Fbizarre%2F4442039.html&frame=true
Mexican warlock makes 2007 predictions
uh, russell, the senator from KS is Pat Roberts, not Pat RobertSON.
Pat Roberts - US Republican Senator from Kansas.
Pat Robertson - Moronic Christian leader from the 700 club.
Leftist Troll again! We all know troll is leftist because I say so!
I said, I am waiting for Bush to make good on his PROMISE to catch Bin Laden. I thought that Bush said what he meant? Wasn’t that one of his strengths?
I am just going by what Bush himself said - if he backing out of his promise - then GWBe should come clean and say so - not just this ‘I don’t even think about him anymore’.
So which one is his real name? I mean, he’s not fooling anybody. Is it like a drag name situation or something?
Actually, Pat Robertson hinted at a nuclear attack.
Well, duh, everyone knows that we have more countries with nuclear capabilities than there were previous to George W. Bush’s reign. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to imagine someone getting the itchy finger to show off their big bomb.
SolDevVB,
Clinton’s group tried to warn Bush about about the growing terrorist threat — Rice, etc ignored their advice.
There’s the infamous, ignored, Aug 2001 PDB.Bush has stopped looking for OBL… nobody cares.The situation in Afghanistan is getting worse, because our troops were diverted to Iraq.
But don’t let the facts get in the way of your wrong opinions.
America will definitely be attacked by Muslim FREEDOM FIGHTERS. WHen you go around rubbing your foot in people’s faces that you’re number one and that you’re “either with us or against us,” then yes, you deserve to get bombed. What goes around comes around.
Iraq War fact:
During operation “Shock and awe” the US Airforce ran 50 sorties against Iraqi leadership in Baghdad. None of the airstrikes hit it’s intended targets. Over 90% of the casualties of these bombings were Iraqi civilians, women and children mostly. The American claims of “precision-guided” missiles and “smart-bombs” are thus, false.
Eye for an eye.
Why is it that the Christian gods have to talk to the most insane people?
The rest of the quote is “he’s no longer a problem, in fact I don’t even think about him anymore” spoken 3 months afterwards. At that time OBL was not in control of his network.
If we are not still looking for OBL, then why are there still troops in Afghanistan?
We should not have kicked off Iraq until OBL was captured and Afghanistan restored. Yes we are spread too thin. IMHO I think Bush knew Saddam would be easier to catch and he needed a ‘trophy’ to point to in reference to 9/11.
Fell thru with no WMD evidence or Al-Qaeda links.
But we still have men and women on the ground in harm’s way looking for OBL.
If the Clinton era was so sharp on OBL, why did they stop with just a cell leader?
Zwe,We used precision GPS guided bombs. The Russians and Germans were on the ground in Iraq installing and supporting GPS scramblers that protected the Iraqi targets.
You want to go finger pointing, start there.
You’re missing my point Bushies. GWB promised to catch Bin Laden. He did not say that we’ll stop when OBL is no longer the head of his group.
George W. is proudly boasting that he is a man of his word and he says what he means. Well let him prove it. Let him say if there are troops looking for OBL - fine but I don’t see how because from all accounts, Bin Laden is in Pakistan and we are not there looking for him and then we turn around and piss off Pakistan?
This whole Iraq and Afghanistan fiasco has been mishandled and mismanaged from day 1 and I mean Day 1 that Bush got into the White House because that is when the planning of Iraq War first started - that has been confirmed.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste……
Now Pat Robertson’s claim about leg pressing 2000lbs might be true if he was blowing his mouth off while leg pressing those 2000lbs. After all, Pat Robertson is a big bag of wind.
Lucee,Maybe if he kept his mouth closed for 3 seconds, the build up of hot air expanded and raised the 2000#?
SolDevVB,”If we are not still looking for OBL, then why are there still troops in Afghanistan?”
Check the news. The Taliban seems to be getting stronger… and more troops may be required.
The Clinton era did NOT “stop with just a cell leader”.
“The Russians and Germans were on the ground in Iraq installing and supporting GPS scramblers that protected the Iraqi targets”
Sol - got any proof of that?
worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30408
This is them buying them. I will try to find a link to the consultants. You don’t remember the reports on this???? Lasted all of 20 seconds in the media. I was outraged. But then there was a link between Russia and Iraq about the war before it started. Russia fed the US the Iraqi plans to attack the US condition that the US denied it had the information…
Hang on; let me see if I can find the part about the consultants.
* on condition.
You have to put the w w w in front of that link. If you post a straight link, you are relegated to the “r4xsqw” verifiaction.
When I was in college, we pledged huge amounts of money to Pat Robertson under Fake Names. “Jayhawks for Jesus”"Wildcats for Christ”He read the pledges on the air and everything.
We were SO WASTED!
Now here’s the genius part. WE NEVER PAID ANY OF THOSE PLEDGES. Pretty kooky stuff.
How come I can’t find hash oil any more?
Anyway, gotta go. A salaam akeikam and all that shit.
love
Russell
Here are a few. Let me know if you want more.
bakutoday.net/view.php?d=3455
.iol.co.za/index.php?sf=2813&art_id=qw1048562464534B262&click_id=2813&set_id=1
cdi.org/russia/250-7.cfm
“a Fox News Channel report”
So, we have FAUX quoted by WorldNet. Hardly proof. And no mention of personnel.
Wow, believe what you want to believe. Check the other links. If you don’t want to hear an answer, don’t ask a question.
No Russian help provided - still waiting for PROOF.
“The Russian company on Sunday flatly denied that its technicians are helping Iraq jam crucial satellite signals needed to guide bombs and military aircraft as U.S.-led forces advance on Baghdad.
“They (U.S.) are just making this up. Let them capture one of our personnel,” said Oleg Antonov, director of Moscow-based Aviaconversiya.
“They won’t find any of our technicians in Iraq. The Americans are trying to find a scapegoat because their bombs are not falling as accurately as they want,” he told ?F?.
The company’s director flatly denied it had been selling jamming equipment to the Iraqis, though he admitted Baghdad had been interested in acquiring the system.”
Lots of accusations and denials. Who to believe? But still no proof and the sources for the claims are hardly unbiased.
” In 2000, both a Zhirinovsky spokesman and Aviakonversiya director Oleg Antonov denied that Iraq had purchased any of the six-pound transmitters, then priced at $40,000.
Antonov reiterated denials that the GPS jammers had been sold to Iraq almost immediately after the most recent charges were made public.”
unwatch.com/nounniraq.html
cybersaps.org/2003/03/newsobserver-Russian-military-firm-denies-technicians-are-aiding-Iraq.html
You know what, fuck this. Do your own research. Google this…
Russian technicians + Iraq
Yeah, the Russians are going to jump right up and admit the helped Saddam. Get real.
World Net Daily is perhaps the worst possible source for unbiased information - Free Republic is more fair and balanced than WND.
WND doesn’t even pretend to be unbiased.
What a joke!
Now tell me that Scientific American is a bogus source. Get over it. It happened.
The Iraqi military used at least six of these high-powered GPS jammers, which cost $40,000 or more each, during the war. All six were quickly eliminated by U.S. forces over the course of two nights. Officials won’t provide details, but considering the speed with which they tackled the problem, the Iraqi GPS jammers may initially have been somewhat effective.
sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00079DD3-DAA0-1E96-8EA5809EC5880000
I read this blog everyday for a dose of reality and a good laugh. There are a lot of dopes running around out there and most of them are posting on blogs for normal folks to read. And the most scary part is that they vote.
I love when people state facts like they are real and everyone is just suppossed to believe it because a poster said it is true.
Where is the difference with the nonsense that Pat Robertson spouts other than he quotes God and you people quote yourselves?
The initial bomb attacks on Afganistan and also Iraq were very accurate. I would give you web sites with this information but you wouldn’t read it anyhow.
Under Clinton we had attacks on the World Trade Center, a US naval carrier, a US military barracks in Germany, two US embassies and we punished one blind iman who was to slow to get away. The leaders got away scot free and came back a few months later in full force. Just the facts - get over it.
Guess y’all don’t like the truth after all.
Finally a source from sol …
“Although the integrity of the GPS signal was maintained in the war with Iraq, enemy attempts to corrupt it underscored the need to protect GPS-dependent weapons and navigation systems. Against a more capable enemy, GPS might find itself among the first casualties of any new conflict.”
Sounds like they tried BUT FAILED to jam the signals.
“The failure of the Iraqi military to continually throw GPS-equipped Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) bombs and Tomahawk cruise missiles severely off course can be attributed to several factors”
“Iraqi efforts at jamming may also have been thwarted by a novel, signal-boosting technology–deployed in Iraq under a shroud of secrecy–that overwhelmed the GPS jammers.”
So Sol, the truth is that Iraq tried but failed to accomplish anything. A far cry from your bogus claims.
My bogus claims are the same as Scientific American’s…
The Iraqi military used at least six of these high-powered GPS jammers, which cost $40,000 or more each, during the war. All six were quickly eliminated by U.S. forces over the course of two nights. Officials won’t provide details, but considering the speed with which they tackled the problem, the Iraqi GPS jammers may initially have been somewhat effective.
My claim was that Iraq used GPS jammers and had Russian support. Seems to me everything I have posted has backed that up.
The only thing you have posted is… Oh, that’s not a good source.
Read and shut up. It is a fact that this happened.
US officials went public with their allegations over the weekend after saying they had discovered Russian company technicians in Baghdad aiding the Iraqis with the GPS jamming devices.
smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/25/1048354605868.html
stimson.org/wos/?sn=WS20030403532
Read and shut up?Oh no you di-unt!(wagging finger like angry black woman)
Considering our propensity for setting countries up and our “friends” and then dumping them when we feel the need, those jammers were probably from the U.S.
Sol,Contradicting sources have been shown, which means you can buy into any story that suits your purpose.
And, please, please, learn how to post a link correctly. It’s very simple to copy it from the address bar on your browser, then paste it into your post in its entirety.
“The Russians and Germans were on the ground in Iraq installing and supporting GPS scramblers that protected the Iraqi targets.”
Where is the substantiation of the Russian and German personnel? NOWHERE! And you implied that it had been successful and that is why all the civilian casualties. However, SciAmer indicated that they were quickly eliminated. In fact, the quick elimination suggests that the people running them were not that skilled - IN OTHER WORDS NO RUSSIAN/GERMAN TECHS!
“The only thing you have posted is… Oh, that’s not a good source.”
ANOTHER LIE! Once you posted the SciAm I noted ” Finally a source from sol …” and proceeded to note that it showed the ineffectiveness of their efforts.
So sol - where did SciAm say there were Russians/Germans?
Holy shit hmmmm. I used to think you were a fairly smart person and actually thought about the things you posted. Wasted effort I guess.
Of course the AmSci didn’t cover that. They were covering the SCIENCE of the device, not its implementation. Look at the other links for the support that was provided.
But you don’t buy into Fox news. OK, then I guess we can count CNN and MSNBS out. What about the Washington post. Nahhh. Better not trust them either.
Give me a break.
I looked at the other links. Lots of vague “maybes” but nothing concrete. “Where’s the beef?”
Even Fox said it was only an allegation - and that it had been denied.
It seems every single one of my posts have been pulled. What Jew is the editor on this blog? I’d like to spit in his face. Leave it to the Jews to censor the truth. and they called us “fascists.”
It was denied by the Russians. Well OF COURSE it isn’t true? See the guy with the red hand? He says he didn’t do it. Get real hmmm.
And all the other Russian gear that was present? So, the Iraqi’s bought all this crap from the Russians. Can you at least admit that?
If you can’t, then this is a lost cause. The stuff was there. But you still don’t want to believe that there were Russian Technicians helping them deploy the devices. Shit, there were Russian technicians helping them with their nuclear technology.
It’s OK to agree with a fundie/repuke/what ever you want to call me today. It happened whether you chose to believe it or not.
So with these GPS bombs being so accurate, some of them even homing in on target designators placed by special ops guys, how do you explain the ‘misses’ w/o pointing to the jammers?
Sheesh, Zwei and Ian sure have a deluded outlook.. If they actually think that we Jews control the government..
Oh now i’ve heard simply everything.
I’m just going to sit here and smile :o)
“So with these GPS bombs being so accurate, some of them even homing in on target designators placed by special ops guys, how do you explain the ‘misses’ w/o pointing to the jammers?”
Maybe they ain’t as accurate as we claim.
I didn’t say I had proof the techs were not there; I simply said that you never proved they were. And, since you brought up the claim, you should prove it.
Sort of like the mobile WMD labs and huge WMD stockpiles that “we know ehere they are … “
Zweiihander: If your posts have been pulled.. I happen to know for a fact the person that pulls them isn’t Jewish..
However, we enjoy your deluded criticism, so we’ll sit here and smile.
:o)
“It happened whether you chose to believe it or not.”
PROVE IT! And saying “because I said so” or “because Rush O’Hannity said so” doesn’t count as proof.
No, just the 5 or so links i provided
Keep smiling Erik. It’s because of your people that there’s war in the Middle East. It’s because of your people that 9/11 happened too. Do you know how many times Muslims attacked the U.S. and it’s embassies around the world before the nation of Israel was founded? None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Do you know how many times Muslims attacked U.S. embassies military personnel and civilians after the nation of Israel was founded? Why don’t you go online and find out for yourself, pig. Jews are historically the most racist people in the world. Did you know that in the construct of the Temple of Jerusalem Jews placed a plaque in Greek warning all non-Jews that if they crossed that point they would be killed outright? Did you know that Jews regarded all non-Jews as unclean and would ritually wash themselves if they came into contact with a non-Jew? What about today where Jews are the first to support miscegyny among non-Jews, but when it comes to themselves,they refrain from race-mixing giving bogus reasons such as there being “too few Jews in the world.”So when I call you Erik and your filthy disgusting people hypocrites, I am in the right.
Seig Heil.
Pat Robertson represents what is right about America and what is very very wrong about America.This quack found a way to get his message on Television, a very American thing to do, but he persists which makes the majority of Americans want to vomit.I wish God would tell him that he will die soon so Pat will announce it and then we can all wait for the parting of the clouds as Pat ascends to the great circus in the sky where he’ll operate the ‘guess your weight’ game…..for eternity.
I am born-again and do not agree with a lot of what Pat preaches. He sells prayer cloths and goes too far with statements not able to be backed up with Scripture. There are plenty of messages to preach without these “God told me” predictions. True prophets of Scripture were always 100% accurate. He has already proven not to be. The people who take Pat seriously on his sound bites should be few and far between.
Also, I take offense to the comment about how evangelicals like their women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen- this is not true for all Christians and if this is being forced on anyone, then it is not a God-honoring marriage. Having a husband be head of the household is not wrong. Godly husbands listen to their wives and make the best decisions for their families, with their needs and desires in mind. Being submissive is sadly very misunderstood. No other figure in all of history elevated the cause for women more than Jesus. Research it.
Right on Lisa.As far as media’s attention of Pat Robertson’s statements, I believe this is done to mock him and Christians and add fuel to the left wings fire.I don’t know a whole lot of people that take him that seriously.The media however would have you believe otherwise.
Yes, Mr Kia- always an agenda out there. If Christians could just be united without fear of saying, “yeah this guy is loosing whatever mind he might have had” then there could be some distance. But there is a blind loyalty out there that helps perpetuate the “stupid Christian” stereotype. If someone is stupid, it isn’t the Bible making them so- they were that way before they ever started following a belief. On the contrary, if you ever meet someone who gets it, they tend to choose their comments a little more carefully and they develope wisdom. So what’s the deal w/Pat? I think he’s just getting older and he needs to pass the torch. I just wish it was a different hand-off.
I’d like to see the mainstream media pay more attention to Rick Warren. I can’t think of much besides FoxNews that I have seen him on more than somewhat regularly.
But Kia, if he didn’t have any power, he wouldn’t have the huge network he has. You can’t deny that millions of people DO believe in him- and they claim to corner the God market, just like many fundies.
Lisa I disagree about a male heading the household, that means he makes the decisions. My husband and I are perfect equals, we both run this house and we both make the decisions together.
You know what - the first thing that turns me off when I meet a new person is if they start babbling about their Christian ways, or that they know “good christian people”, or the overt mentioning of God and praising God for everything.9 times out of 10 these people are searching for something internally and have a screwed up life just like the rest of us. I honestly get suspicious and do not trust these God talkers. Recently this nice gentlemen I was working with was making comments about God this, God that, and talking about judging people as good because they are Christian. He even said things like “I know he is good, he’s a good Christian man.”He invited a road rage guy to meet him and pray with him.After a few meetings I learned that this ‘good christian man’ recently had marital problems…was seperated…and are now back together.Well, isn’t that interesting. People in trouble always turn to God….and then they think they are ‘cured’. Bullshit.A few meetings later he was cussing, talking about pussy, …and then he was back to praising God.You see. I think I might have the best approach to all this shit. I believe in God - in my head, no where else.I don’t search out ‘good christian people’. I don’t talk about being a Christian.I truly think this asshole was saying he was Christian and babbling about all this Christian/God crap because he is a salesman and he wants to say something that will most likely be a common denominator among white people.Well, I say, Fuck him. None of us are worth a shit in comparison to God.All this almighty christian talk is a way to hide problems and appear to be superior.I have NEVER met an overt Christian who is worth a shit. All this babble is holy bologna.Love God on your terms and shut the fuck up.All Christians are liars? I think that is possible.
Like I said, I’m a Christian, and I have to agree with Jim G on some things. When someone is self-righteous they are not behaving the way the Bible teaches. They are wrong. Being a Christian does not make you better than someone else, it just means that you believe something and are living according to that belief. Chrisitans are liars, cheaters, etc. because becomeing Christian is not becoming perfect. If someone is humble enough to admit they have been wrong and then make steps to get over whatever is going on, then you have something- but unfortunately this is more rare. The Bible does say that the road to Heaven is narrow- and that there are plenty who even claim miracles in God’s name and God will not recognize them in Heaven.
So, Jim G. you are right, there are false-believers, make-believers, and true-believers. But because there are bad ones, doesn’t mean they are all misrepresenting what Scripture teaches. It says to “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling”. Don’t rely on others to make or break it- you have to research it yourself.
And to political mom- my husdand and I both discuss everything and we decide things together, but if we disagree to the point when a decision has to be made, then yes, he has final call. The beauty of the system is that I married a man whom I trust to make those decisions and who considers my needs above his own. It might sound foreign to some people, but when both people truly have the other persons best interests at heart the system works and no one is put down. I run my own business and manage the household, but my husband is still head of the household. There’s a lot of rhetoric out there to put this kind of thinking down, but if you really stop and think about it it makes logical and practical sense.
What a breath of fresh air you are around here!
Pleeesse people. Just get a room okay? For those of us who have been around phoney Christians, we all know exactly what it is about Pat Robertson.
He is nothing more than a snake oil salesman that has found his way to make millions of dollars. And for Pat Robertson not having any power - then why does George W. Bush have any contact with him?
When was the last time the president consulted with Kia or Lisa?
I take it from Lisa’s posting that she thinks Pat Robertson is just getting old and that is why he is saying these crazy things?
Know, Lisa, Pat Robertson has always been saying stuff like this. His age has nothing to do with it. What is sad is there are grown people who sit and eat this stuff up like it’s candy. I lived in the Deep South and those people worship Pat Robertson. To them, he is God. So, you can’t tell me that Robertson has no power.
I guess I’m trying to be gracious about the crazy things that come out of Pat’s mouth. I don’t know a lot about him, but he holds to a few doctrines I disagree about. I didn’t know that he had that long of a history with wacky sound bites.
I’ve watched his show a few times to see what his stand was on soe things. It’s okay until it starts getting into any real deep stuff. His organization does do a lot of good charity, but in terms of his overall impact (especially in the media) I wish he would retire quietly. I just thought his predictions were becoming a thing in recent years. I only lived in VA for about 5 years and the people I was around were not in love with him. The most I saw was moderate support.
He is very wealthy (I’ve actually seen Regent Univ. and have seen enough to know there’s a lot of money). I never said he didn’t have power, but I guess I did imply it. I am nieve to how people can take him so seriously because I do not.
His program is more for older people from what I have seen and I think the draw for people not in his denomination is that he is older, talks slower, and presents things in a more traditional mind-set. My grandmother always had trouble following mainstream news because they talk so fast and had stories about things she didn’t care about. The human interest stories on his program are like “Extreme Makeover” but with a spiritual side- a big hit with that target market. It’s the same with so many other things- a little bit of truth mixed with untruth. I don’t like it for me.
So tell me something Lisa, you stated that Robertson’s show is a little bit of truth mixed with untruth? Is this the way you think that a Church leader should be? A little bit of truth?
Doesn’t that just make you question everything the man says and does?
My God gave me a brain with which to reason with, ask questions, and think for myself. I really doubt that my God would even know Pat Robertson, let alone speak directly to him.
I know some people who have talked with God. Fortunately they have quit the drugs/alcohol now.
Lucee- Of course I question him. I had questioned him enough to the point that I do not listen. I only heard about his predictions through headlines. I watched his show a few years back because my grandmom watched and I was looking out for the disclaimers I would need to give her (no grandmom you don’t need a prayer cloth for God to hear your prayers!) She wasn’t going to stop watching but I felt like she needed it to be tempered with a less emotional, less charasmatic approach. I made mention earlier that in Scripture it says that on theday of judgement many will come to God who cried “Lord, Lord” and even proformed miracles- but that God will not know them. I don’t claim to know Pat’s whole heart and mind, but what I see does make me wonder if he won’t be one of them. That’s between him and God, but I don’t support his ministry in any way but to acknowledge the charity they have done in other countries and the encouragement they have given people. Once he starts talking doctrine we part company. I don not believe that God is still giving special revelations to people. I think there is enough in Scripture for us to learn and work on- we don’t need anything more. I know people who claim to have “seen visions.” While they are 100% sincere and believe this, I think they are deluded. Almost every time someone says something like this it is for their ego and not to teach someone about God. This was the only purpose in the New Testament- to help people learn who God is. Without the right purpose- it is even more suspect. In Pat’s case I just never see God’s hand in it.
Whenever someone is out to shine a spotlight on themselves it is suspect. True Christianity is about humility and gratitude to God- that’s why self-righteous people have really missed the whole message of the Bible. And that’s what turns off most people about Pat and other showy televangelists. The only ones I have consistantly liked are Charles Stanely and D. James Kennedy. Jerry Falwell’s content is usually good but he comes off all wrong sometimes- not all the time, but enough where he creates baggage by his on-air personality. There might be more, but I am pretty picky about tv preachers.
No Lisa, it does not make any practical sense to be marginalized to me. My husband respects me and I respect him, I’m sure that it’s true in your household as well. But I don’t ever have to feel like I’m second rate to him, rather that I am a true equal.
I’ve heard from some Christian women how this set up works. Yes, the husband gets to make the final decisions, but if the wife doesn’t like it, she’s sure to make him pay for it in other ways. Which to me is pitting one person against the other when you’re supposed to be working as a team. Emotional warfare- not something I’m into for marital bliss.
You have the absolute right to believe what you want, I just think you’re selling yourself short to think that his opinion is more important for the decisons that impact your life just as much as his.
And working with the elderly, I’ve come across many who have been very harmed by this belief- financially, emotionally, and physically.
I just really hate it when women advocate being lesser beings. It’s total crap.
You’re wrong P Mom, women are NOT equal to men.
Most of the time, they are superior to men and we’re just too damned stupid to realize it.
(Wink, wink, heavy sarcasm.)
Actually, I always hated being in a relationship with a woman that did not want to be my equal.
Hi Political Mom-
By now it looks like I tend to write too much, but your lack of understanding on this issue is maybe something that can be changed. This lack of understanding is what ridicules women who decide to be submissive to their own husbands.
The system you’re talking about doesn’t work and I would hate it. It sounds like a high school game. Obviously even the best systems will not work when selfish, immature people are using them. If a woman has it in her to be vindictive toward her husband then she shouldn’t have married him. I agree- marriage is teamwork- 100%.
Why is it so hard to actually read what I type without putting words in my mouth? Seriously. I never said that I am less, I never said that I am not in the decision making process.
If you marry the right man- one mature enough to see his role as needing to cherish his wife and lay down his life for his wife- why would he then lord power over her to hurt her? He won’t. My husband doesn’t and I know plenty of marriages where the husband is truly getting it right. The wife is to love her husband and be his help. That isn’t to say he never helps her, my husband helps me all the time and when I need extra help I just ask for it.
A man who is getting it right has a lot on his shoulders and my role is to help him handle those pressures. His role is to protect me from the pressures I face. Sounds awful doesn’t it? Here’s the thing- women war with this because they need to be control freaks with their husbands and the world tells women- don’t let a man tell you what to do. If my husband aks me to do something and it is to help our household and is reasonable- why wouldn’t I do it? If it is not reasonable you communicate it and not harbor it against him. I also ask him to do things- and guess what- he does them. Did I just breach the chain of command? Of course not. It’s life. I think some people just create there own problems because they like drama. Maybe P-mom, these are drama queens you’re talking about.
I am a pretty strong personality and didn’t get married until I was 31 (enough time to be settled in my own ways) but I also allow my husband to lead. I respect and trust him to do it. While I might agee (which is rare since we discuss most things), I always know that he has considered me, my feelings, and how it affects me- whatever it is, so I am not a victim in any way. I truly wish I knew you P-mom and you could actually see what I mean. I have seen bad marriages and I could not imagine the daily torture of living with it- but the Biblical model does work when the directions are followed- there is none of this victimization you site.
What part of anything in this means that I view women as less? Just because man is rightfully the head of the household doesn’t mean women is less, it just means according to Scripture she is better suited for a different role. Different does not mean less.
You and so many other women have this preconceived idea and bias against this and don’t really listen. You might know some really vindictive women and I am sad that you have seen victims of over-bearing men. But this does not mean that the system doesn’t work- it simply means these people have had failing marriages.
Again- a book, but don’t put words in my mouth. Maybe this has never been explained to you accurately and the only explanation comes from people with failing marriages. For what it’s worth, I would never advise someone to do anything but break out Scripture and follow it like a recipe.
You mean like plucking your eyes out?No thanks.
“Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says.” (1 Corinthians 14:34)
“If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched.” (Mark 9:43)
“If any man takes a wife, and goes in on her, and detests her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings a bad name on her, and says, ‘I took this woman, and when I came to her I found she was not a virgin…” (Deuteronomy 22:13,14)
“But if … evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones…” (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)
I’m very sure that there are marriages that are wonderful where the woman is just happy being led, and the husband treats her with respect. But I ask you, your own words said he doesn’t help you unless you ask for it- why should you have to ask?
Remember I grew up ultra conservative, I did see some of the good marriages (at least on the surface) that you speak of. My step father was not the same religion, he was very respectful of women.
But by far, I also saw the damaged ones, where the men dominated, and even abused the wives. It’s also the reason why women had to fight for their rights. And today, we still don’t get equal treatment, it’s getting closer but we’re not there. Why did it take till 2006 to have a female speaker of the house? Women are 50% of the population, but we hold less than 25% of offices! And we still make 75 cents on the dollar to men.
I had a boss who was southern baptist, and I had to listen to this same spiel from the wife. But I also got to watch their relationship, and trust me, it was nothing close to a warm cozy loving relationship. He treated her so disrespectfully, hanging up on her, refusing to take her calls, basically ignored anything she wanted. Her response was to act like a spoiled brat- a child! He also treated the rest of his women staff like he was our daddy, and I really resented that. I didn’t stay there long at all.
His mind is gone.
Hey P-Mom and Tracy-
I never said that if I didn’t ask for help I didn’t get it, I did say that if I needed extra help he would give it. I’m fortunate that he offers- as I have a business and I am home a lot more than he is. He could easily pull rank and say- hey you’re home more do it.
It sounds like you got a real winner of a boss back then. I would have addressed the hippocracy. I am pretty confrontational when I need to be. Both parties were wrong. I maybe would have waited until I quit though!
I’m also all for women being paid equally for equal work, holding offices, etc. No problem with it and if the woman is the best person then hire her, if she’s not, then don’t- gender is not a thing to me. I worked in corporate America for 10 years- saw everything and dealt with a lot. The statitics about women in the workforce (higher offices) are partly because those roles are less flexible by nature and women who want to have time with their children don’t choose those other roles as often (VP, Pres, CEO, ec.) It’s not always that the system has failed the woman. Being a supervisor of something means you have to be more assessible- not all women want those demands.
I could have climbed the ladder, but chose not to because my job would then require too much time. I’m built differently- my profession is less important. This isn’t wrong and women who don’t choose career are not wrong or weak. If more women chose to invest their intelligence, talents, and gifts into their home and families, I believe with all my heart that our country would have less crime, higher grades in schools, and less people in psychotherapy!
For Tracy:Those Scriptures you copied and pasted are deeper than cut off your hand. Think about the meaning behind the words. He was talking to people who were judgemental toward others so he said- hey you’re seeing things this way because you have something in your eye- get rid of it, then deal. He also said if your eyes cause you to sin, pluck out your eyes to save your soul- He didn’t mean go out and actually pluck out your eyes- He meant that your soul is so much more valuable than your eyes. Would you ever sell your eyes for millions of dollars? No, of course not- so much more valuable is your soul. That was His point.
The verse about women being quiet in the church is often sited, but usually taken out of context. In most commentaries Paul is writing this to a particular group of women who were causing problems with bickering and gossip. This verse is not widely used (at least in the churches I have been in) as a foundational verse for women in the church.
When siting Scripture you have to read the verses around your selected verse. Use context and common sense to help understand it. I’m not saying this in a preachy way- but just if no one ever said it, it’s really important. Always be suspect of anyone- preachers included- when on one verse a sermon or teaching is based. Otherwise a good many false teachings and misrepresentations can happen. Two of the verses you note are from Deut.- the Old Test. and this was Jewish law. Jesus came and liberated women. I’ve stated this before. No one else says- not even in modern day society- that a man is expected to sacrifice his life for his wife (like Christ for His church)- but this is the love the Bible says they should have. No man who keeps this in his heart will behave like the boss P-mom described. And women are called to love their husbands as the church loves Christ- with thankfulness and actively doing things to help.
Why is this so bad and not given any credibility without dogging it? I had several opportunities to get married- proposal and all- but I waited for the guy who would understand this. Thank God it worked out! I thought I was going to wait forever- and guess what, he wasn’t some Bible thumping guy- just an ordinary man who wanted an extraordinary love. Sounds corny but it’s true. I know it is true for most of the people I know- and not just on the surface.
Why is it so hard to acknowledge? Women are far less valued by the music industry than by church, and yet we actually think they are empowered. Take a long enough look at the entertainment industry and tell me that the women in the headlines are really being valued.
Tracy if you would seriously like to use Scripture to make your points, check out the Life Application Bible- (any version, but I tend to like NKJ) it has good commentaries that helps put verses into context- it goes verse by verse pretty much.
On a side note to anyone: a good book to read and encourage teens to read is called “I Kissed Dating Goodbye” and “Boy Meets Girl” they both describe waiting for the right mate to have the best possible relationship later- communication, mutual respect, etc. I didn’t read them until college, but they are great for teens who are starting to date.
Enough about our side conversation- this blog was about how crazy Pat is.
Sorry for my part in the digression-
Please continue… LOL
Lisa, I like you. I think you did wait to find the love of your life, and I’m glad it worked out for you that way. I also found the love of my life. So it really sounds as if we have equally great and fantastic husbands.
But I still think you are the exception of women who feel that religiously, men should be the head of the household. You said your husband wasn’t a bible thumper type- maybe that is why it has worked out well for you. I had a friend from a message board, both of our children have the same condition. She was living with an abusive husband, both of them VERY religious. I kept hearing from her how she felt it wrong to leave, and that it was her duty to just live with what he dealt her…it didn’t matter that raising this child was already stressful, and adding stress to the child making him more irritable, and her own stress, she was practically suicidal. I finally had to end our relationship because I just couldn’t stand it anymore. But I will say this- she went to counseling with two ministers, a baptist and a catholic…and the baptist (I don’t think it was a Southern) minister told her she basically needed to get out and take the kid. The Catholic, he sided with the husband and blamed it all on her.
I do not feel it is my husband’s obligation to take care of me. I feel it is our responsibility to love and care and respect one another, and that means me taking care of myself. Although he’s a little pissy today lol, I might have to go be all cute and make him snap out of it.
I do like that some churches are trying to show men that they need to be part of the family and not just the breadwinners. (maybe golf should pay attention). We ALL need to invest more time in our families and our kids, NOT just the mothers. 50-50 for work, 50-50 for home. If we ever acheived true equality, women wouldn’t have to choose between work and home, and men wouldn’t either, because we’d ALL be the same.
You simply cannot tell me it is more important and more time consuming to be sitting behind the desk, the CEO at a company, as it is to be a nurse in the Emergency room- the traditional male vs female jobs. And if that woman is a single mom, she’s likely pulling double shifts too.
The 9-5 of CEO vs. nurse in terms of time would be equal. Knowing CEOs first-hand, their weekends are not their own, they are expected at chairty functions often, and they are expected to chair boards and be involved in the community. At least this is how it is out here in Delaware (big financial corporations). It’s more than 9-5, the demands on your personal life are a lot less predictable. Not to mention the stress that goes with fronting a big business- not for everyone. Personally, I’d be a better desk person than nurse- I really hand it to them. But there is something to be said for not having the weight of a company on your shoulders and the politics that go with it. Having a cut and dried shift without having to play politics is a lot easier- even if you’re on your feet the whole time. Plus, not to be sexist, but women generally speaking have a better communication style when it comes to relationships, nurturing, and inter-personal communication- all very necessary in patient care and not valued as much as it should be in the corporate world. Women need to take on a male way of communnicating to be taken seriously and then she robs herself of her femininity. Some women don’t like what they become in the corporate environment and get out. Men don’t mind it as much- it suits their ways more. I’m not saying this should be the case, just that it is.
“Having a cut and dried shift without having to play politics is a lot easier- even if you’re on your feet the whole time.”
BWAHAHA, you obviously have never worked in a hospital, the politics run rampant, and shifts very rarely end on time, you get called in on your days off too, work extra shifts.
And I’ve never worked in the business world like that, so I guess I don’t see how my femininity would change much. Maybe that is true, but it certainly shouldn’t be.
My husband works in a hospital and he has politics to deal with- sure, but the promotion and climbing the ladder is not a part of it- there simply isn’t a ladder! LOL He is on-call and has had to work over his regular time, but rarely, I guess he’s lucky. I understood that nurses have shifts and choose the overtime they would take. I haven’t had first hand experience in a hospital, so I don’t know. I certainly do not feel hospitals are easier- just the time demands (for anyone other than surgeons and doctors) would be more predictable. Salaried executives do not have this as often. Maybe it ends up being a wash. I’m going by feeling and memory more than real analyzing. I just know that Eric has a predictable schedule and my work in corp. America was killer.
Pat Robertson, as you can see in his picture, lives in a deranged fantasy. He doesn’t see the world as normal people do, and that shows, not only in his looks, but in his judgement as well.
People with downsyndrom have that certain look about them, as do schizophrenics, but Robertson has some sort of offshoot of paranoia, which drives his thinking, and that can reinforce whatever conclusions he wishes to draw.
He’s right ‘at home’ with the untethered ambiguities of religion.
Lisa, no thanks.I understand the bible’s analogies quite well.I’m glad you aren’t trying to litterally live by scripture.