With the likelihood increasing of a 2008 showdown between presidential contenders Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., it will be interesting to watch how, or even whether, the public and pundits discuss a sorry incident that links the two. At a GOP Senate fundraiser in June 1998, McCain reportedly told this “joke”: “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.” (This was when Chelsea was a teenager.) McCain later apologized to President Clinton, then in the thick of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Apology or not, it says something about what McCain considers amusing, at least among Republicans.
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That was an uncalled for joke – even though Chelsea was going through a pretty awkward stage at the time – and McCain has likely regretted it from the time he uttered it.
But I doubt it will be a major point against him. Who among us hasn’t opened our mouth just to change feet at one time or another? People will appreciate his apology to President Clinton – and if it becomes an issue, he will reiterate that apology, further endearing himself to those who repentance as a virtue.
If that’s the worst thing Dems can bring to the table – McCain is a shoe-in.
On the other hand, Hillary will be haunted by the specter of a husband who was impeached while she ’stood by her man,’ adulterer that he was. That may be viewed as weakness.
It behooves the Dems to play nice – because their candidate will be swallowed whole if that kind of negative campaigning surfaces.
I forgot about that joke. I am glad to hear it. McCain needs to get his pee-pee slapped. I do not trust him anyway.He won’t get the female vote with that joke replaying in 08. I bet John Kerry is giggling inside…and is happy that McCain did not botch the joke.
Isn’t it the Christian “way” to stand by one’s man during marital crisis? You cannot have it both ways.
I think it reveals a character flaw that a grown man would insult the adolescent daughter of a political opponent like this. I’m glad he apologized, but he never should have done it.
Rhonda,
Surely you can come up with better topic starters than this.
Jim – I’m not sure if it is the fundamentalist Christian way for a woman to stay with a cheating husband, but mainstream Christianity tends to view adultery as a reason to get rid of the husband. I believe the New Testament even states one may give a spouse a “letter of divorcement” if they commit adultery. But I really don’t that will be an issue, as I can’t imagine many Christians voting for her anyway.
I would think more feminists would view Hillary as weak because she seemed to allow herself to be used as Bills’ doormat.
I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
John McCain
Charges: The most consistently mischaracterized politician in the country, even McCain’s most nakedly self-serving machinations are universally hailed as the bold moves of an independent maverick who really, really, like, cares, man. By virtue of his five-year stay at the Hanoi Hilton and a completely ineffectual campaign finance reform bill (which was itself only PR damage control for his long-forgotten role in the Keating Five), McCain has so successfully snowed America the he could go around kicking puppies all day and he’d be applauded for his authenticity. In reality, McCain is as phony as slimeballs come, having reversed his positions on Roe v. Wade, Bush’s tax cuts, the gay marriage amendment and Jerry Falwell in the last year alone, while the mainstream press looked away and whistled nonchalantly. Keeps changing the number of additional troops he thinks should be sent to Iraq, in hopes of extending the disaster beyond the next presidential election, so his decorated veteran status will still be relevant.
Exhibit A: “I hated the gooks, and I will hate them for as long as I live.”
Sentence: Back to the bamboo cage.
This is a 9 year old story. Can’t we just Move On?
Why woody?You’re always one of the first to judge everything political by Bill Clinton’s presidency.Don’t you wanna know what Johnny is really like under the bullshit politician mask?
Let’s see what Johnny was up to while Bill was having pizza and getting a special ‘mouth hug’.
John McCain is a maverick senator and former Vietnam veteran and prisoner of war for 5 years in North Vietnam. On the positive side, he is a rare exception to the partisan bitterness in Washington these days, often crafting bipartisan approaches to issues such as smoking and campaign reform.
Here are some negative allegations:- McCain was one of the “Keating Five,” congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips.Charles Keating was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion. His convictions were overturned on technicalities; for example, the federal conviction was overturned because jurors had heard about his state conviction, and his state charges because Judge Lance Ito (yes, that judge) screwed up jury instructions. Neither court cleared him, and he faces new trials in both courts.)
Though he was not convicted of anything, McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating’s airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating’s luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain’s wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a “sweetheart deal.”
- Mafia ties: In 1995, McCain sent birthday regards, and regrets for not attending, to Joseph “Joe Bananas” Bonano, the head of the New York Bonano crime family, who had retired to Arizona. Another politician to send regrets was Governor Fife Symington, who has since been kicked out of office and convicted of 7 felonies relating to fraud and extortion.
- At least one veteran’s group (U.S. Veteran’s Dispatch) really hates him, and accuses McCain of cooperating with the North Vietnamese while he was their prisoner. They also sketch McCain’s ties, through his wealthy father-in-law, to various Arizona scandals including the murder of reporter Don Bolles.Check out their version at the US Veteran’s Dispatch web site.
- Family troubles: McCain has a reputation as a politician who has difficulty keeping his pants zipped, according to Republican sources. He acknowledges that his adultery broke up his first marriage. His second wife Cindy, the daughter of a wealthy Budweiser beer distributor, was addicted to prescription narcotics and even stole hard drugs from a medical charity that she ran. McCain acknowledges that she didn’t want him to run, and only agreed once he promised that she doesn’t have to go to New Hampshire or Iowa.
Quotes:- “Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.” — John McCain
- Leonardo DiCaprio is “an androgynous wimp.” — McCain
You missed the point, tracy. You people are the ones who kept saying Move On, not me. Now, it’s different. There is a word for that and it starts with an “h” and ends with a “y”.I’m not a McCain fan. He’s been off the reservation too often.
Sorry woody. Nuttin personal.BTW, I’m not a “you people”.
Nah – this isn’t going to haunt McCain.
It’s a non-story, really.
tracy-BTW, yes you are. Embrace it. It doesn’t make you a bad person, just wrong.And GS is correct, this won’t hurt McCain, this is only first salvo from the Libs. McCain scares them.
Tracy,
The “you people” and the “these people” are straight from the narrative of Rush Limbaugh.
These errors are unfounded sweeping generalizations that they teach one to avoid in Freshman English. Rush and Fleet were sleeping in the days those lessons were taught.
Scroll over and forget it.
woody don’t be such a weenie.Despite my better judgement,I tried to be nice to you.But nooooo……you people won’t have it.And what the hell is it I’m supposedly wrong about?You twit, you don’t even have a point to prove and you say I’m wrong.Since you don’t have a logical retort to this, you’ll come back with the “libs have a mean mouth” meme, again.
Good morning Steven.Yeah, woody is a clueless funk.I’m just wasting my time annoying him.
Charming little entry, Rhonda. While many of today’s unbiased reporters have focused their Breathless Objectivity on Barack Obama, you are still firmly in the tank for good old Hillary. Loyalty is a great midwestern virtue. Good for you !
John McCain is a bafoon, Hillary Clinton is a termagant. Neither is someone either party should seek to claim. Neither is without faults, and both have said hateful things about not just each other, but each others families and anyone else who has gotten in their way.
If these are the best the two party system can come up with, I think it might be time to grab onto you ankles and kiss your butt good-bye.
Both are cowards. One because he won’t stand up for what he says he believes, the other because the only thing she believes in is power. Neither of them is interested in what’s best for the people, neither of them even know who the people are or what they want. Neither are leaders. They might be despots, autocrats, and tyrants but they aren’t leader material. Throw them back into the pond, they haven’t grown up enough yet.
seanmahair,
‘Termagant.’ Damn. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Hell, it wouldn’t even have occured to me to say it.
Drove me to a dictionary there, seanmahair. Nice work. I declare you the winner.
Much as it pains me to have to agree with Sean, neither Hillary nor Douchebag are going to get the nomination.
They are both detested by their respective grassroots activists–McCain because he’s not a bible-thumper and Hillary because she voted for Bush’s war every chance she could.
If the chattering class would ever go west of DC, they’d know that.
That’s ok….we haven’t elected a “leader” for many moons.
and all this time I thought it was because Hillary was her mother.
when all else fails, libs descend to name-calling
weezir,
That’s some deep analysis there. Think much?
and insults
The truth is, the “you people” comes from Robert E. Lee.When refering to the Union forces, he said “those people”.Why are you people so hung up on Rush?
Yeah, McCain, repent.
Goodness knows nothing negative has ever been said about the Bush twins. Holman and the Eagle are such hypocrites.
Holman and the Eagle resurrecting this bad joke hurts Chelsea a second time–only this time it isn’t McCain causing the pain. But it’s okay if the ends (a chance for you to throw mud at McCain) justifies your means, right Rhonda?
Consider that the end goal of the conservative movement is to repeal Johnson’s ‘great society’ and Roosevelt’s new deal.They are currently carrying out this strategy by bankrupting our country in a time of “war”.When we can no longer sustain this massive debt, social programs will dissapear, while military spending continues to skyrocket, effectively ending the great society and new deal reforms.IF they get social security ‘privatized’, it will be the final nail in the coffin.Investing in only private corporations is asking us to invest in our own demise, as the companies we invest in plan to outsource, downsize, and lower wages as part of their business plans.
The other issue that Mccain better be ready to deal with is his role in the S-L fiasco – the Keating Five.
McCain will not get the Republican nomination because he has too much baggage for both sides of the GOP. The McCain Doctrine (thanks, John) will sink him with those that will be running full speed away from the war, and his lack of conservative cred will take him down with those that are left.
Eighteen month is a lifetime in politics. By next year, the full damage of the Doctrine will be known and every Republican with a prayer of getting the nomination will be touting his anti-war bona fides.
For McCain, the Doctrine will be his legacy – not his limitations as a Henny Youngman wannabe.
Since you don’t have a logical retort to this, you’ll come back with the “libs have a mean mouth” meme, again.
How very sad that McCain would make a joke at a teenager. The adults, you know, I could see it, but a kid?
Wow, and I was going to say I supported McCain…till now.
I like McCain’s policies on a lot of things, but bashing someone’s kid, that’s a serious character flaw.
pmom-Didn’t you proclaim that after the meet-up, you were done with this blog?
…Hillary Clinton Commemorative Stamp…The US Postal Service has issued a recall of a stamp they created with a picture of Hillary Clinton to honor her achievements while serving as the First Lady of our nation….The problem was discovered when claims had been made that the stamp was not sticking to envelopes, and that mail which had been sent using the “Hillary” postage was not being delivered. Senator Clinton demanded a full investigation into the allegations….A special Postal Service Investigation team was formed and after several months and many dollars spent, made the following findings:…*The stamp was manufactured properly.*There was nothing wrong with the adhesive.*People were just spitting on the wrong side…
Perhaps the most vicious aspects of the “joke” are the truths it represents.
And shouldn’t a real newspaper have some balance on its editorial board?
John McCain told this joke about Chelsea Clinton and got the same laughing response from fellow Republicans that Rush Limbaugh received when he called Chelsea Clinton the White House dog. Why are we so surprised that grown Republican men would stoop so low as to make jokes about a teenage girl’s appearance?
What bothered me at the time was how many Republicans found such pleasure in laughing at such crude remarks. I wonder if they would be laughing if the tasteless joke was about their own ugly daughter? Would it be as funny then?
But the kicker to the whole thing is that the Republicans try to portray their party as the one with the morals and family values. That’s a crock.
Balance? Ha! Their biggest arguments are about who is the biggest Lib.Don’t see any one of color, either. Bigots.
Ben, shouldn’t a real commentator have something to comment on besides how much they hate the folks who are nice enough to put the blog here?
angry ben, what truth is there to the joke? Are you saying it’s possible that Janet Reno is actually a man, and that somehow, long ago, Hillary got with her and did some sort of in vitro?And actually, I guess Chelsea gets the last laugh, she’s turned into quite a stunning young woman.
Fleets enema, why yes, I did say I would leave the board after the meetup, because I was sick of troll punk assed twerps like you ruining the board for all of us.
However, I’m pleased to have heard what the Eagle staff said about it- of course, and decided that I like the people I met there, and wish to stay.
Ben and woody, I’d be glad to recomend some winger blogs where you’ll just love every post.
I think the joke, poor as it was, was more about Reno, than it was about Chelsea.
Oh come on mama bear GS, you know, if someone had done this to your kid publicly, you’d have eaten their testicles fried and on a skewer for lunch.
God, P Mom, you sure know how to leave a guy with horrible mental images.
pmom-That wasn’t very nice. Is everything OK? Goverment check not show up?
Joke or not, I think we all have to come to some agreement on this topic. I declare all discussion ended – and move that we adopt the following resolution:
Chelsea Clinton is, in fact, ugly.
Hahaha enema, that’s damn funny! Government check, man you’re a hoot.
Testicles, you’d foam at the mouth if you got the chance to sleep with Chelsea. Problem is the gal has far too much class and dignity.
McCain is a wannabe — his time has passed
There is not enough money in the world to entice me to even sit at the same dinner table with that dog-faced charlatan.
Speaking of dogs, if my dog had her face, I’d shave his ass and teach him to walk backwards.
Oh whatever. you’re so full of it.
Hadn’t heard this one about Mc Cain but it figures.
Mc Cain has no chance. He has no appeal to the left because he is an assh..e. He has no appeal to the right ’cause he aint a big ENOUGH assh..e.
Junior,I think we can say asshole on here.
GNut: While the joke was in poor taste, and hurtful to the fragile ego of an adolescent female teenager, (I quite familiar in that area, having raised two of them), it is, as someone said, 9 year old news. And, interestingly enough, both Chelsea and Amy Carter have matured into attractive young women. They’re not runway models or centerfold material, but they’re certainly not fat WalMart trailer trash in camo spandex, size 24XXX pants, and a and S-E-X-Y B-I-T-C-H tee-shirt (and actually believes it)!
oooh the goof nut forgets that some here have now seen him in person.
Best description? Dork.
rm,whoa…you just flashed me back to the WEBlog meet-up.
Do you ever ever once tell the truth about anything Testicles?
Maybe someday I can get a glimpse of this alternate universe you live in, but I’m mighty glad I live here in REALITY.
KSGolfnut,
I’ve seen you: you’re a chinless wonder with a Yasser Arafat beard and a gut. Bad breath, too.
Commenting negatively on Chelsea Clinton’s appearance has the blowback of raising the issue of your own.
KSGolfnut, David Crosby thinks you’ve let yourself go.
CF,I’m glad you noticed my breath. I purposely snacked on sardines and horseradish prior to the event – just for you.
Here’s a tip: people feel encroached when you stand 3″ away when conversing. Try to establish a more normal 3-4 feet of separation. And given the obvious ambiguity surrounding your sexual preference, please expand that to 8-10 feet with me.
Thanks. =)
I am not surprised at all. I don’t understand how people can be lied to in the face over and over and still think John McCain is a great leader. He is a JOKE! You can see it for yourself.http://politicalheartland.blogspot.com/2007/01/mccain-give-me-break.html
KSGolfnut, please spare us the shave the ass dog jokes. That is so 1982.
Dakota, I appreciate you, however ALL politicians pull this same stuff. Which is why you’ll also see Hillary schmoozing with the neocons.
Don’t get me wrong I love Hillary, but she’s also done some stuff to make me angry. Good thing I happen to know it’s all politics.
“KSGolfnut, I’ve seen you: you’re a chinless wonder with a Yasser Arafat beard and a gut. Bad breath, too.”
Now that is funny, CF!
political_mom,
I couldn’t agree with you more. I have to say I am no fan of Hillary. I will be writing a new blog post about her tomorrow. I recived much hate mail from Hillary supporters after my writing on MSN about her. Now that the Iowa people are talking, it proves my point.
WSClark,
Thanks. For the record, the David Crosby reference is from Triumph, the talking comic insult dog.
KSGolfnut,
Dumb, ugly, and premptively homophobic–you’ve attained the Republican trifecta!
For the record, if a 5′4″ heterosexual male like CF can threaten KSGolfnut’s ‘masculinity,’ one shudders to think what effect, say, Ted Haggard or Jeff Gannon might have. ‘Republican birds of a feather’ and all.
Not, mind you, that there’s anything wrong with that.
Well for now, my support goes to her. She’s been too demonized by the right. I’m sick of them getting away with beating down all of our candidates when they’re good candidates.
CF,Please refrain from rubbing against me in the future. That is all I ask.
Thanks! =)
CF, you forgot rich, hateful, and untruthful.
CF is only right by half.
The goofnut looks like a test tube co-mingling of the genes of Homer Simpson and the Family Guy. I am pleased that I personally did not approach him closely as lavatory facilities were not made readily available.
…and successful
…and non-government dependent
…and willing to EARN it
“Homer Simpson and the Family Guy”
Ya topped CF, J R!
Jeez, that is a hilarious mental image!
Crap, he always said that he was some 6′2″ chick magnet.
Funny!
What a day in the Blogosphere!
Has re-affirmed my decision to let meetups alone.
Ladies, I think you see the difference between liberal and CON men: we libs appreciate the attractiveness of intelligence. The CONs don’t.
Given the choice between a lifetime on a desert island between Chelsea or Amy Clinton and the Bush sorority twins, this red blooded American male would go with the brains in a heartbeat.
There’s only so much you can say about the best flavor for a jello shot . . .
Now the GORE DAUGHTERS! Be still my beating heart!
I don’t know about the height part.
But “chick magnet”?
Gravity well is more like it!
Yeah, I think KSGolfnut is on the record around here that, for him, sexual preference is a choice.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that!
Homer/Peter with a Yasser Arafat beard and bad breath…..
Hardly the image that Golfnut claims for himself.
God damn, that is hilarious.
This could be our first family . . . but NOOOOO!!!
http://www.algore.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pos=2
The CONs had to screw the country to get the Moron in Chief in . . .
I’m uglier than a mud fence, so I’ll leave the kid alone, but I still think the only thing Bill and Hitlary had in common was that they both like women.
And as for janet Reno, I will never forget the picture of that terrorized child with a machine gun stuck in his face at 3:00 in the morning so he could be forced to return to a totalitarian state.
Between that and the slaughter at Waco Janet Reno should go down in history with the Bitch of Belsen. There is nothing funny about her, and the vision of her having sex with Hitlary is enough to turn anyone’s stomach.
Gentle Ben–
What is gentle about David Koresh’s forced sex with little girls and fellow Branch Davidians’ wives?
What is gentle about not obeying and surrending to law enforcement officials and instead viciously attacking them with rifle fire?
Yeah, you’re gentle, alright.
Oh by the way, Gentle Bum, Janet Reno didn’t actually have sex with Hillary Clinton.
So if it turns your stomach, you might consider its stomach turning source–the right wing.
More from the party of ‘family values.’
What a crock of shit.
Actually, I’ve always thought that Dave looks like Yogi bear: big, dumb, sloppy & stupid looking. Kind of a Dee-dee-dee! Talk about trailer park trash, hopefully he did not sport a wife beater shirt at the meetup!
Carlos Mencia
Charges: A German-Honduran who pretends to be Mexican so he can engage in jovial slurs about “beaners” and “wetbacks.” Repeatedly says “what?” and “no, I’m serious!” during his stand up routines, as if his audience is blown away by his tiresome retreading of age-old ethnic and gender clichés and his bellowing one-note delivery. Imagines himself to be some kind of envelope-pushing genius despite the fact that his entire body of work is a series of variations on the hackneyed “white guys do this, black guys do this” routine that has launched a thousand careers in stand-up mediocrity. What’s that you say, Carlos? Asians can’t drive? Gee, we’ve never heard that before. A well-known joke thief, Mencia can’t even write his own shitty, hackneyed material.
Exhibit A: Actual name is Ned Holness.
Sentence: Deported to Mexico.
I agree, Ben, Reno was a loose cannon.
I cleaned up for the event, Wichi.
Re: waco. Remember that the original raid took place BEFORE Reno took office. That had been planned before inauguration and launched by hold-overs from the Bush 1 adinistration. Many of the same people who did Ruby Ridge.
witchy woman,you’ve become a one trick pony here.Any opinion other than you hate Balls?
Yes by all means, hold up the child molesters with the children in a building for years- so the guy gets plenty of time to get his rocks off. Because you know, we wouldn’t want to offend them by forcing them to comply with the law.
Then the best part, blame the government when he blows himself and his hostages up.
That’s real American right there.
For the record, I swear to you I’m not Wichi.
mom, we know you’re not witchy.You have no problem being openly and honestly hostile!
Pmom,I know you’re not wichi. She followed me here from AOL – back when I used to terrorize the Wichita chat room. (ahhh, the good ol’ days).
And I’ve never met her, so I’m sure she’s just fantasizing about my sexy self in a wifebeater. =)
You nailed it wichi!
Well for someone who never met you, she sure described you rather accurately in her private email to me before the meetup.
But I’m glad you admit that you terrorize the boards.
I didn’t say she had never SEEN me – she’s obviously done a bit of real life trolling – but that she had never MET me. Surprised?
Yes Tracy, I have lots of opinions, just don’t have enough time. :( However, as a blog reader for the past year and a half or however long it’s been going, I couldn’t resist getting a little snarky when Dave showed up to ruin it. I can’t let all of you have all the fun!—–
At Waco, didn’t Reno chose to save the children by killing them.?
…wichiwoman delusional…thinks “…” is a dave…
Enemas result in diarrhea. And man is that nickname fitting.
Reno didn’t kill those kids- Koresh did.
But don’t you justify the war in Iraq that has killed thousands of innocent citizens ’saving them’ too?
By the time Reno came into office the original raid had taken place and the die was cast. Perhaps a better question to ask is why did the Bush administration set the planning in motion between the election and inauguration in the manner they did?
Of course, these were the veterans of Ruby Ridge.
Insults say more about you than me.Who is killing all the innocent children, pmom? capn sez it’s the USA. What say you?
Yes, because there is no valid reason for blowing them up in their own country.
And we’re actually dropping the bombs on them, as opposed to Waco, where that psycho set the place on fire himself.
There are no guarantees in a hostage situation that people won’t die, but they do the best they can to prevent the innocents from dying. By your standard, they should just let the guy holding them at gun point free.
So, pmom, just so I’m clear on this. You say the US is killing the thousands of innocent civilians?
The US has killed innocent civilians, is that better?
We shouldn’t be there AT ALL.
“But don’t you justify the war in Iraq that has killed thousands of innocent citizens ’saving them’ too?”So now are you changing your tune? Which is it? There is quite a bit of difference.
Yeah if we were police of the world, and they were breaking our laws, then yeah.
But we’re not, and they weren’t a threat.
pmom-Who is killing the thousands of innocent civilians?
“…allow herself to be used as Bills’ doormat.”
Ha ha ha. Good one, GS. Not much of a reader, are you?
There was an excerpt in Cosmo, years ago when the Clinton’s first came to the White House, of Hillary. You should read it.
Bill’s doormat, my a$$.
Hee hee hee
fleet, did it ever occur to you that if we hadn’t attacked Iraq, those thousands might not be dead, whether by our guns and bombs or by the civil war?
Saddam had over 10 years to wrought the damage he did. We’ve had, what? Not quite 4? Do the math.
John McCave is so wacky, it’s so hard to tell which position he’s supporting today. First he’s for 20,000 more troops, but Bush comes out with 20,500 and McCave says it isn’t enough. McCave is against torturing American troops, then he votes for torture. He says the war in Iraq will be short, then he says he never expected it to be short. He hates Falwell, then he loves Falwell. Somebody get him his meds, he’s experiencing dissociative disorder again.
Roxie,So you’re saying that as long as it was Saddam killing the civilians, it was ok?
Golf-These are the same people who were sad when Saddam was hung.No, they don’t blame America for everything.
rd-Are you the same one who came up with the 52.2% when calculating the 30 Repubs vs 10 Dems in the Kansas Senate?Perhaps you should learn math.
KGN,
No, that is not what I’m saying. For one thing, two wrongs, do not make a right. (No stupid cracks about left turns making a right, ‘k?)
Fleetwood,
I’ll learn math when you learn to read. Fair enough?
Here’s what it comes down to.
The Iraqi people want the U.S. gone. Can you really blame them? As long as we’re there, they are under fire. They are being killed. Their families are being killed. The country is physically a disaster, not just politically. The list goes on and on.
Those fighting (insurgents, civil war participants, terrorists, whatever you want to call them) aren’t dumb. They know that the more that are killed, the more the people will turn against the U.S. (We invaded, remember?) Am I okay with this? No.
Nor was I okay with the atrocities Saddam committed, but we aren’t making it any better for these people, and isn’t that why we’re supposed to be there? To bring them the Wonderful World of D(emocracy)? Instead, we’ve brought them a world of suicide bombings, blown up bodies, blood and tears and destruction.
Whether we were right or not to go into Iraq (I’m on the ‘not’ side), we (meaning the admin) screwed up by not listening to those who are knowledgeable about how to win this thing and reach our goal. If we (the admin) had listened to advisors, the fall of Saddam could have been accomplished in several other ways that would have benefitted the people of Iraq. We (the admin) screwed up.
And we wonder why they hate us.
Fleethegood is up to his usual tricks–nobody was “sad” about Saddam getting executed, you dumb ass.
Give me one example (beside somebody in his immediate family).
Fleetwood, this one’s for you, since you seem to have forgotten how to scroll, not to mention read.
“Sebelius hardly pounded Shallenburger in 2002. She got 52.5%!”
This comment was made on the “Does the state GOP…” thread, by one of YOURS–Ed Smiley.
My comment was about his statement.
Yes, Capn, but because he said it, it’s TRUE!
Iran is happy that Saddam is dead … and that we have created chaos:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16877295/
With Iran ascendant, U.S. is seen at faultArab allies in region feeling pressure
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates – Kuwait rarely rebuffs its ally, the United States, partly out of gratitude for the 1991 Persian Gulf War. But in October it reneged on a pledge to send three military observers to an American-led naval exercise in the Gulf, according to U.S. officials and Kuwaiti analysts.
“We understood,” a State Department official said. “The Kuwaitis were being careful not to antagonize the Iranians.”
Four years after the United States invaded Iraq, in part to transform the Middle East, Iran is ascendant, many in the region view the Americans in retreat, and Arab countries, their own feelings of weakness accentuated, are awash in sharpening sectarian currents that many blame the United States for exacerbating.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Saudis cooperating with Iran …
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/16580087.htm
Saudi Arabia, Iran cooperating on crisesABDULLAH SHIHRIAssociated PressRIYADH, Saudi Arabia – Saudi Arabia and Iran are working together to try to calm the crises in Iraq and Lebanon, the Saudi foreign minister said Tuesday, despite Washington’s efforts to isolate Tehran and limit its influence in the Middle East. The mediation is an unusual step by two rivals, Saudi Arabia and Iran, that compete for regional influence.
President Bush has rejected calls that the United States win Iran’s help in easing Iraq’s bloodshed and resolve the political crisis in Lebanon that erupted into violence last week. Instead, he has vowed to break what he called Iranian support for militants in both countries.
Saudi Arabia’s willingness to work with Iran likely indicates the growing alarm in the kingdom’s leadership over the two simultaneous crises, which have inflamed Sunni-Shiite tensions throughout the Middle East.
At the same time, Saudi Arabia has given tepid support to a new U.S. strategy in Iraq but has expressed skepticism over whether it will succeed. Besides sending 21,000 additional U.S. troops to Iraq, the new strategy takes a tougher stance on Iran.
Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal of largely Sunni Saudi Arabia said Tuesday that Iran had apprached his country to “cooperate in averting strife between Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq and Lebanon.”
Hey McClain, why Janet Reno? Why not Mary Cheney? Opps, one of your own!
I don’t think McCain would make the best President, but this is a lame story…..
There has to be far worse things that we can come up with. I am sure I could do much better if I tried.
(Hell, I could come up with ten worse things on even my favorite candidate)