On Monday’s "The Daily Show," Jon Stewart suggested that Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback announced his presidential candidacy the usual way, and then another way for his base: by burning bush. For its part, the Washington Post vividly portrayed Brownback’s rock star treatment at Monday’s March for Life in Washington, D.C. Clearly, no one else in the GOP field is as thoroughly at home as Brownback was at an event at which cards were distributed saying "Birth Control Is Harmful," one speaker referred to a story about an "abortionist accused of eating fetuses" and another argued against allowing abortion even to protect a mother’s life — to which Brownback responded, "That’s a good point. Well said."
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He’s about half way through his 15 minutes of fame, if even he received that much!
The pro-birth whackjobs recognize him as one of their own. That should tell the rest of us something.
Ah, another stellar example of Kansas in the media. Dorothy, Toto, the Scarecrow, and loud-mouthed religious zealots.
“and another argued against allowing abortion even to protect a mother’s life — to which Brownback responded, “That’s a good point. Well said.”
Sorry, that is some seriously scary thought processes.
God help us if this nutjob comes anywhere near the presidency.
What gets me about staunch anti-choicers like Brownback is how they can be so hypocritical and not recognize or acknowledge it. They think abortion is absolutely wrong because it takes a human life (if it is human life is another debate). They think taking a human life is wrong because the Bible says Thou shalt not kill and love one another as Jesus loved you. So they protest outside abortion clinics and scream at, insult, denigrate, and otherwise belittle people going in. They cause children of all ages to see disgusting medical images and are remorseless for it. And all of this is OK because it may save an unborn child.
Afterwards, they go home turn on Fox news and watch reports from the war in Iraq. They probably wonder why we haven’t killed Osama and why Saddam was not hung sooner. They may have a bumper stick that says to Support our Troops (as they kill many, many people.) They probably support the war on terror, and look suspiciously at Muslims in traditional dress when they see them in stores.
Hmmmm…..
Anyone care to explain this (rationally and logically)?
Not only is his hair nappy…But, what a whack-O too!Fetus-fetish!Fetus-fetish!Fetus-fetish!
Ya’ know what makes me sick?
Something like swimming the waters of flooded NOLA,right past the live people who need rescued,for what………?A FROZEN EMBRYO!
That’s what makes me sick!
At what cost do we sacrifice what is (living people) for what could be (fetus’ and embryos)?In a sense, the entire debate around the legality of abortion is who gets to decide which one has more value.Obviously, anti-abortionists feel that fetus’ and embryos are more valuable than already out-of-the-womb humans. Pro-choiceists feel that each person should get to decide for themselves which is more valuable. I don’t think there are any pro-abortionists.
BRIAN, when it gets down to pickin fly shit outa’ pepper,it boils down to one question.When is it HUMAN?As soon as the sperm fertilizes an egg?I don’t think so.
Dr. Christopher Fox – what do you think?
Hey Brian – CF calls pro-lifers or anti-abortionists as pro-birth wackjobs.
I think that can be considered a pro-abortionist.
logically that is.
Yes Tracy, I always get platypus embryos to incubate when I want to have a flock of geese.
JM, please don’t explain.
Don’t the catholics say that every orgasm must produce a child or they go to hell?Or something like that.Anyway, I know we’re not supposed to think sex is fun.It’s for begattin’.
Every election the Republicans run some right wing religious nut. First it started out with Pat Robertson, then nuts like Gary Bauer, Alan Keyes and now it’s Brownstain’s turn. Sadly this will reflect poorly on Kansas who voted in the recent election that they didn’t want religious nuts representing them.
I know, luckily Tiahrt is such a moderate that he snuck by you sneaky libs.
I don’t understand all of the local media attention being paid to Brownback’s presidential ambitions. We all know that he has no chance to even get the GOP nomination and his campaign is essentially DOA and a joke. In a national election, Brownback would have a hard time attracting more votes than my dog. I can guarantee that there are more fans of German Shepherds than fans of creepy, judgmental, religious nutbags. Brownback is simply another delusional politician from Kansas that will never have a real chance at the White House. He is like a creepy, fundie version of the last sacrificial lamb from Kansas, Bob Dole.Why is Rhonda Holman pimping so hard for Brownback?
She isn’t pimping hard for him – but a Senator from Kansas running for President is a story. I don’t hear this bitching when the monthly “Sebelius as Vice President” story comes out.
Listen, Brownback brings out emotions on all sides – he is running for president – ergo – a story.
Also, he is racking up ALL the conservative support right now. Like it or not, the moderate frontrunners need the right to get through the primaries and win the presidency. So Brownback might be a great VP candidate for a McCain, Rudy, Romney.
Tracy,The view of the Catholic church used to be that sex should only be for procreation. That changed after Vatican 2 in the 1960s. Now the Church not only says it is ok to think sex is fun, if it between a married man and woman, but it also encourages a healthy sex life as part of a sacramental marriage. :)
Tracy,The view of the Catholic church used to be that sex should only be for procreation. That changed after Vatican 2 in the 1960s. Now the Church not only says it is ok to think sex is fun, if it between a married man and woman, but it also encourages a healthy sex life as part of a sacramental marriage. :)
And besides Scott…..he’s GREAT for Letterman and Lenno.
Thanks brian.I liked that movie about your life.
Captain:
You are insane if you think that any GOP candidate will select Brownback as their running mate. Brownback may have the support of every fringe Christian nutjob in the country, but it would be political suicide to be connected to him in anyway during a national election, when the moderates and independent voters really make the difference in a win or a loss. Brownback is the political equivalent of an onion flavored breath mint, very appealing to a select few and repugnant to most.
Scene 9The commandosFRANCIS: We’re gettin’ in through the underground heating system here, up through into the main audience chamber here, and Pilate’s wife’s bedroom is here. Having grabbed his wife, we inform Pilate that she is in our custody and forthwith issue our demands. Any questions?COMMANDO XERXES: What exactly are the demands?REG: We’re giving Pilate two days to dismantle the entire apparatus of the Roman Imperialist State, and if he doesn’t agree immediately, we execute her.MATTHIAS: Cut her head off?FRANCIS: Cut all her bits off. Send ‘em back on the hour every hour. Show them we’re not to be trifled with.REG: And of course, we point out that they bear full responsibility when we chop her up, and that we shall not submit to blackmail!COMMANDOS: No blackmail!REG: They’ve bled us white, the bastards. They’ve taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers’ fathers.LORETTA: And from our fathers’ fathers’ fathers.REG: Yeah.LORETTA: And from our fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers.REG: Yeah. All right, Stan. Don’t labor the point. And what have they ever given us in return?XERXES: The aqueduct?REG: What?XERXES: The aqueduct.REG: Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that’s true. Yeah.COMMANDO #3: And the sanitation.LORETTA: Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like?REG: Yeah. All right. I’ll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.MATTHIAS: And the roads.REG: Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don’t they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads–COMMANDO: Irrigation.XERXES: Medicine.COMMANDOS: Huh? Heh? Huh…COMMANDO #2: Education.COMMANDOS: Ohh…REG: Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.COMMANDO #1: And the wine.COMMANDOS: Oh, yes. Yeah…FRANCIS: Yeah. Yeah, that’s something we’d really miss, Reg, if the Romans left. Huh.COMMANDO: Public baths.LORETTA: And it’s safe to walk in the streets at night now, Reg.FRANCIS: Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let’s face it. They’re the only ones who could in a place like this.COMMANDOS: Hehh, heh. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.REG: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?XERXES: Brought peace.REG: Oh. Peace? Shut up!
that’ll be $7Do you want popcorn with that?
From now on, you shall be called’Brian that is called Brian’.
I’ll take the family deal.Welcome brian.I see you have a sense of humor.You’ll need it here!
Folks,
captain_poindexter is attempting to up the ante by outing my identity in order to shut me up.
I wonder how folks feel about someone who can’t win an argument on its own terms.
I wondered about that CF.Not working I presume?Who is poindexter?
TRACY,
Good question. I tell you he’s more cautious/sneakier than me because he always signs in using Typekey, which allows him to post anonymously. The fact that I don’t makes it easy for the malicious to behave maliciously.
Ya’ know what?It would do this country a whole buncha good to have a president with islamic relatives!
CF, what’s his freakin problem?Is he a BillO fan?(read as insane)
Oh I know who he is.He’s a stewpud cartoon dog.
TRACY,
It’s thuggish intimidation. He’s trying to bully me into silence because I called him a liar on the Bill Richardson thread. Note, by the way, that I have demonstrated the falsity of at least one major claim he repeated, which does, by extension, make him a liar.
He’s a lawyer in Lawrence. I guess I should know better than to make an enemy of a Rethuglican attorney.
They refer to the guy as ‘pro-birth’ because that is the only thing they really stand for- birth at all costs, and then to hell with them once they’re alive.
And if baby and mother die in the process, oh well, that was ‘god’s plan’, and ‘good’ mothers should be willing to sacrifice their lives for a fetus.
That’s why we don’t call you guys pro-life, there is nothing pro-life about you.
I wonder if Brownback also chants in tongues?
OH the nuts also were praying and said “thank god for Bill O’Reilly”…and the whole place started laughing.
and I noted Billo didn’t even give the OR people any face time on his program. Sigh, it’s a thankless job.
Mary said yesterday that protesting and counterprotesting does not good.
You’re wrong Mary. It does a lot of good. If we ever lose our rights to choose, it’ll be because of these people, and because too few were willing to stand out there for their rights.
TRACY,
Ahhh, I see–captain_pointdexter Googled the email address I have always included with my posts, and it took him to something I posted elsewhere. And here I thought I was being honorable by having a live link in my posts. It never occured to me that it would make it so easy for a nefarious someone to find what he wanted.
It’s worth noting, by the way, that Hank Price once wrote me at that address, and was nothing short of a gentleman about maintaining my anonymity. So also, marks_rage once wrote me at that site to rebuke me for my use of a particularly derogatory slur when describing Condoleeza Rice, and while he had ferreted out my identity, he had the good taste to keep it to himself. I, subsequently, modified my language.
So, captain_poindexter, you have reached another new low: outing someone’s anonymity, along with threatening to punch that same person.
snif. snif.
snif. snif.
snif. snif.
what was it you punked me on? the obama stuff?
is that the stuff you claimed I was slanderous about? even though you don’t know what slander is?
right, CF, you got me.
snif. snif. boo hoo.
I think that this whole thing is nothing more than the media’s attempt at making pro-lifers look like the enemy. Seriously, people, they’ve been doing it for years. Wake up!
CF: Your identity is not unknown to some, as you have pointed out. It was fairly easy to figure out based on info you had posted. But I agree that to disclose someone’s identity without their consent is wrong.
uh, why?
Poindexter, you are reaching new lows for even this blog.
You are now relegated to the basement with KSGolfnut, JM, Asbestos, Ian Santiago and several other right wing yaaaaaaaaahooooooooos that infect this blog.
Jerk.
captain_poindexter,
(This from the Shorter Version of the OED):
“Slander: the utterance or dissemination of false statements or reports concerning a person, or malicious representation of his actions, in order to defame or injure him.”
Your statements regarding Barack Obama absolutely fit the definition of slander. But because you couldn’t be man enough to admit it, and because it made you anrgy to be shown up, you acted like a coward by outing me.
Coward.
Outlander,
Indeed. I have been careless. Nobody’s fault but mine. But we’re in agreement on the essential point of blog etiquette, and the breach on the part of captain_poindexter.
why?
Barak Hussein Obama
Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. (born in Nyangoma Kogalo, a village in Nyanza Province, Kenya) and Ann Dunham (born in Wichita, Kansas).
Interesting, a Wichita connection.
hey, CF. Dictionaries aren’t exactly what we lawyas rely on when deciding issues and cases.
Barack Obama is a a public official, this is a political forum, my speech is protected from things like “slander”
and what can’t you understand about this? Since I am typing on a keyboard, it would not be considered slander – it would be liable if it were anything. But since my speech is protected, as is yours, you can’t call it liable or, as you seem to want to, call it slander.
sorry man. can’t do it.
and why is it low to reveal someone’s identity?
WSClark.
why is it always people like you who try to shut people up?
why aren’t you in favor of other opinions, jerk or not?
I know you probably rule your house with an iron fist, but we do have a little wiggle room here at the WE Blog for opinions no matter how bad.
I’m just saying…
when the American People see the name “hussein” in a political ad, call it fair or not, they will immediately think of Saddam Hussein and go away from him.sorry
It’s bad blogger etiquette to reveal a poster’s identity- you’re breaking the blogger code of ethics.
But you also have to take steps to hide your identity too if you wish to remain anonymous. FWIW CF, I think it’s cool to know what you do.
Only when someone is being obnoxious do we out them-not simply because we disagree with a position. You would qualify as obnoxious poindexter.
I seriously hope you’re not a lawyer.
I am a lawyer, political mom. Sorry, they even let annoying people go to school in Kansas too.
If you all think you are ‘bloggers’ you’re kidding yourselves.
You all are just like me – people with an opinion, bad or not, this place is supposed to be for opinions and even annoying people.
To me, political mom, CF was being obnoxious to me – therefore, I simply stated his name – that anyone with a brain can and have found.
Political mom, you do not control who is and who is not obnixious, sorry ma’am.
And, I know, WSClark, Political Mom and CF will be whining to Brownlee and Holman to stop me from posting just to quiet me.
Sorry folks, now I’m really having fun with you people. I’m not going anywhere.
Aren’t a bunch of the Phelp’s lawyers too?
And they’ve blogged here in the past…I’m seeing a connection.
Right. Phelps people don’t like differing opinions and try to forbid them from posting or telling them to go away.
I, on the other hand, simply disagree with you people. Yeah, I can be a tad bit irritating, but you people can be irritating to me too. so it goes both ways.
Let me predict something about what I will be called by people like you Political Mom:
nazineo-naziwacky conservativeright wingerwacko ____insert herejerk (already have)phelps (already have)
what else do you call people who disagree with you?
CF
If you know who captain pointy is I say you are within your rights to name him.
I’d LIKE that.
I’d like that alot.
Capt Pointy…lol.
If the shoe fits pointy….your tactics are just like the Phelps’…so don’t be surprised when we call you out on it.
captain_poindexter,
What you did was to repeat a boilerplate set of political attacks against Barack Obama, at least one of which is demonstrably factually untrue. It doesn’t matter much that you do so in writing (it’s spelled ‘libel’, by the way) rather than in person. It also doesn’t matter that he’s a public figure.
A lie is a lie. You repeated one out of a political motivation, I called you on it, and you lost it.
J R,
While I appreciate the thought, even if I knew captain_poindexter’s identity, I wouldn’t stoop to his level.
In my book, outing someone is as bad as name-stealing. And in terms of its real-world consequences, it’s potentially much worse.
I am done responding to the persona non grata known as captain_pointdexter.
Lawrence, eh?
I was up there last weekend visiting my daughter.
Repeating something shown to be a lie is a lie, is it not?
Poindexter = LIAR!
C’mon, MFer, threaten to punch me in the face.
Disdaining fortune, with his brandish’d steel,Which smoked with bloody execution,Like valour’s minion carved out his passageTill he faced the slave;Which ne’er shook hands, nor bade farewell to him,Till he unseam’d him from the nave to the chaps,And fix’d his head upon our battlements.
I think once he was outed as Pointy Phelps, he went crawling back to his cave.
captain_poindexter claims to be a lawyer?
He can’t use the words “liable” and “libel” properly.
Maybe that explains why the cap’n has so much free time to spend here.
“Interesting, a Wichita connection.”
Good grief, JM, you’re 2 years behind times. Anyone paying attention in 2004 knows Obama has Wichita roots.
he also misspelled lawyer.
Ah I see the liberal ganging banging of many against one has again resumed.
Even my innocent comment about Obama having Wichita roots had a negative receptions.
Let’s rename this the Leftist Blog and they can anihilate each other when the Presidential elections come up. :)
Waits for the typical warthogs to attack this blog entry.
‘Ah I see the liberal ganging banging of many against one has again resumed.’ ‘Let’s rename this the Leftist Blog’ ‘the typical warthogs’
And the pigeonholing, stereotypes have also resumed
This is a left blog. Don’t be offended, unless you think being a lefty is offensive. I do.
I wonder if the right wing types realize that the country is moving to the left and the blog is representative of that fact.
Na! The right wingers think that the whole world rises and sets on the George W Bush’ ass.
Sorry right wingers, but the world has passed you by. Bush is done. His agenda is done. It is over for the Republicans.
It was nice knowing you all.
And I consider being a NeoCON CONservative, republiCON a bad thing too.
I’d so much rather be left.
Thank you very much.
Most blogs are frequented more by liberals. That’s a fact. It has nothing to do with the direction the country is moving.
Why? Because many liberals don’t have the ability to “do it” in real life. They’re too busy perfecting the role of the victim. Most of them have zero desire to go EARN something. They’d rather have someone else GIVE it to them.
So they blog…
Which explins why you can spend so much time here? JM? poindexter?
Me? I can ‘multitask’ during my 50-hr work week. Earning money. Nobody GIVES me anything.
“I wonder how folks feel about someone who can’t win an argument on its own terms.”
That about sums it up.
I inadventently ‘outed’ one of our regulars once, by way of a suggestion anyone could follow (ironically, to CF, by way of making a point), and I was rather embarrassed by that.
I don’t know what to say about someone who takes childish glee in doing it on purpose.
We are so Liberal, the Kansas Senate has 40 members, 30 Repubs to 10 Dems.Suck it.
Brownback is an embarassment to Kansas. He is basically nuts. What is sad is that there are voters who think he represents a leader to America. He is qualified to lead a kill-the-homo campaign…which I bet he could justify in his dark soul.It is great to watch this asshole’s campaign end. I am anxious to see where Falwell and Robertson put their endorsement. Brownback has no chance…but he is just like them, so what will they do.I think it would be fun for all the gay organizations, black Islam organizations, and Log Cabin repobs to endorse him. Ha ha.
Brownback makes me hate being white.
Every minute about 2 HUMAN BEINGS are killed. The exterior difference between a baby in the womb and a new-born baby is not more dramatic than the difference between a 5 year-old and a 80 year-old. Life begins at fertilization!
Well said, Will.
Will….your point is good however it is a human (woman) who decides, not you, not me, not your Pope, not anyone but the woman.I personally don’t like abortion, I am not sure of anyone that likes abortion, but I do respect the woman and her ownership of her body. I would not want the gov. forcing its will on me, so the same goes for women.Abortion will never be overturned, never. Well, unless you Catholics present an alternative other then just saying “no.” A woman in a life crisis does not need to government or the church dictating how she should conduct herself…however it would be nice if the abortion protesters presented an entirely different approach.How about churches who are willing to fund a trust which pays for the child’s care so that the woman has some security?How about the church recruiting wealthy contributors to fund and open orphaneges all across the country….to house the newborn babies that are not wanted by their mothers.Funny, you all are willing to cast shame on a person but you are unwilling to put your money where your mouth is.Where are the solutions? You have none. Why – because you are just like every other religious puke in this nation – you like to gather and point and then go home and sin and pretend you are righteous.
Jim, like many who agree with you, you make a lot of assumptions about those who are prolife. Most of those I know on that side of the issuedon’t stan outside Tiller’s clinic holding signs and protesting, theh ones I know put their money where their mouth is. They’re the ones who fund Gerrard House, Choices Medical Clinic, and many other organizations that support women and their children. The idea that prolifers don’t care about children once they are born is a myth that the prochoice extremists love to perpetrate. It’s simply not true. I know personally many prolife people who dedicate their life to serving childen, many who have adopted, and many who are the first to give to someone in need.What have you done for children lately? Does your prochoice beliefs let you off the hook for helping children in need? After all, don’t you believe they should never have been born in the first place?
‘Cuse the spelling errors, I should check my writing before I hit “post”One more thought for you, Jim. For many of us, it’s not a religious issue, but a human rights issue.
i pray to God that Sam Brownback wins the Republican nomination. The genocide of abortion must end.
We have human rights because we are human beings. Your right to life should not depend on how old you are, or how big you are, or what level of developement you are at. That is a Nazi ethic. The fact that you are a human being should settle your human right to live.
The western human rights tradition began with Catholicism. So if you believe in human rights, in 2008, vote for a true, orthodox Catholic President, Sam Brownback.
Oh like this Catholic human rights standard?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A2420-2002Jun29¬Found=true
Here is what happens in good Catholic nations where abortion is illegal. Women die.
http://hrw.org/women/abortion/mexico.html
Maybe you should have invested earlier in your life Ben, retirement is good. :)
In case you didn’t click on the links, the first one discusses the incidences of rape and child rape in Mexico, and how they’re handled. How young girls are forced to marry their rapists, and are forced into abusive marriages, belittled by police who attack the victims.
The second article talks about the incidences of deaths for illegal abortions, and the laws and attitudes surrounding abortion in the major Catholic Mexico.
Relevant StatisticsMexico’s population is approximately 105 million, of which 32 percent is under 15 years old (2002).The fertility rate is 2.4 children per woman, and the annual population growth is 1.4 percent (2002).Reported maternal mortality rate is 64 per 100,000 live births (2002), up from a reported 47 in 1997.Illegal abortion is considered the fourth leading cause of maternal mortality (2004).An estimated 100,000 to 500,000 illegal abortions occur in Mexico annually (2004).The most recent data available (from 1996) shows that contraceptive use in women of childbearing age was 68 percent
I agree that we need to focus on preventing unwanted pregnancies and offering alternatives to women in crisis, outlawing abortion is not the way to go. PMom is right, it will just endanger women’s lives, because they’ll end their pregnancies whether abortion is illegal or not. Changing hearts is more productive than changing the law.
I guess a brown nut job has as good a chance for the presidency as a hillary nut job.
Retirement has been especially good for JM, thanks to his taxpayer-funded big-government pension . . . you know the kind that he doesn’t want anyone else to have.
LOL yeah, Brownback has like a 1% approval, and Hillary has 40%.
Clarkie,
I am not a BLIGHTWINGER, so get it right you mamzer-coconut!!
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
I’m sure there would be 5000 women a day shoving hangers up thier vagina if it was illegal.
There are many ways to induce an abortion, before the days of wire hangers, they used poisons, and often ended their own lives too. But that’s how desperate they were.
Backalley abortions would sprout up again, with women paying the price with their lives.
And many of them will be young religious right daughters.
Hillary also has about a 50% hate factor. It’s hard to get elected when 40% love you and 50% hate you.
ksgolfNUT:Not true – it is easy to get elected when only 40% love you.
Ask W. (and karl rove)
Dubya didn’t have a 50% hate factor.
Hillary’s nomination would be a disaster for the Dems.I say Bring It.
Didn’t say he did. Nor did he have a 40% love factor. That 20% neutral group is where karl rove comes in.
Fleet,I’d love to see it, too.
Learn the FACTS about Mitt Romney:
http://www.mittreport.com
www dot mittreport dot com
“How about churches who are willing to fund a trust which pays for the child’s care so that the woman has some security?How about the church recruiting wealthy contributors to fund and open orphaneges all across the country….to house the newborn babies that are not wanted by their mothers.Funny, you all are willing to cast shame on a person but you are unwilling to put your money where your mouth is.Where are the solutions? You have none. Why – because you are just like every other religious puke in this nation – you like to gather and point and then go home and sin and pretend you are righteous.”
Jim G.,
Do you mean Christians should act like this?
http://www.ShaohannahsHope.org
Oh they do.. another myth busted!