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Open thread on State of Union
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Jan. 23, 2007 at 7:25 p.m.
- Filed under President Bush
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President Bush is basically Humpty Dumpty. And he just fell off the wall.
Thank God for Cable!
I say set up a perimiter and shoot him in the thigh.
Participating in this blog will be a logistical feat…the only working internet in my hotel is in the restaurant, two floors down from my room… but CNN International is on, and I’m locked and loaded.My first night here, we went to a comedy club. There were two Americans in the audience–some guy from Texas, and yours truly.The comic asked the other guy if he was a Republican or Democrat, and he said “Republican”.The comic said, “I see I’m going to have to simplify my jokes”.I, of course, replied “Democrat”.The comic said, “thank you, sir”… and never said another word to me all night.
Mr. C: So you’re still in the P’s. Mr. Barfield is taking your place this evening and doing an excellent job. Better get back!
The Fan has been started, the Feces are being loaded, Bush is about to take the Podium, the World waits for the Fool on the Hill.
Any bets how long it will take him to mention 9/11?
Hi Mr. C–Hope you are having a great time!
WSC – 6 minutes.
Will he bring up his ‘health benefit tax hike’?
I dont know Clark, but we should start drinking as soon as he does
Booger!!!
He’ll mention “war on terror” within 3 minutes.
Just a visitor from Florida, pulling up a chair.
The Clean Air Initiative, No Child Left Behind, blah, blah……
What he says is the opposite of what he says…….
I am one up on you Farm Grrl! I needed a drink just thinking about another Bush State of the Union!
welcome barryites – but you should have to pay rent!
leaving until after the aggress … have CARS going downstairs for the kids …
Oh, my God!!!! The Speaker of the House is a WOMAN!!!!!!
Hell has frozen over!!!!!
Thank God for Democracy.
If it’s to be a drinking game, I suggest ’security.’ Between foreign and domestic, I take 12 uses for my pool number.
Dammit, Walker, the Food Channel isn’t carrying it this year. . .
I hope you people have laid out the plastic sheeting while you mess yourselves with glee.America dislikers.Does that sound better?
President Bush deserves nobodys attention or respect
Easy, now. You might be surprised by the breadth of opinion that seems to be here.
And as usual, the two people that I am in personal contact who proudly stated in 2004 that they voted for G.W. re-election. And could not understand why I did not. Both said they would not be watching the SOTU address!
As they file in I wonder – who is the designated survivor? (And who gere knows what I mean by that?)
Why does Bush always look like he has some sort of bowel blockage issue going on?
The survivor this year is – Gonzales!
Ben: Yep.
WS: I think you’re right!
I wouldn’t cross the street to work with this bum!
Going upstairs now… think the Republicans will still be hooting like they’re at a strip club like they did last year?
Welcome barrybloggers! Good to see you.
He sounds like a Republican…wonder who told him what to say?
Madame Speaker!
The ecomomy is in good shape?
We can balance the budget without rasing taxes?
Sheesh they must NEVER let this clown out!
Big eye roll. After he ran up the deficit, NOW he wants to balance the budget?
K?
Yeah Wink, she looks good up there doesnt she.
Oh NOW you wanna address earmarks?
Yeah after your party is outta power!
Uh oh, here comes the social security gutting….
Christ, does this man have no shame?
Yeah Paris Hilton has shown a better grasp of fiscal responsibility
BRIGHT SHINY OBJECTS!!!!! BRIGHT SHINY OBJECTS!!! pay no attention the the man behind the certain!
Bend over….. here it comes…..
Why should they reauthorize NCLB? YOU won’t fund it!
the health benefit tax?
I’m still not watchng… you guys can have my proxy to get nauseated!
Sure farmgirl if you take the money you already do not have and place it in a saving account. you get a tax break….you will not pay any tax on it till the end of the tax year
Here comes amnesty!
Jeez, there is a eight THOUSAND pound gorilla in the room – when is the son-of-a-bitch going to notice?
You know a teihrt tax break!
hee hee dog
Bullshit alert! Bullshit alert!
without amnesty??? did he just flip flop?
Can you even SPELL “deportation” you idiot?
Yeah, P Mom, that is what he did…..
No he did not flip he was thinking of another word.
HEY ALRIGHT! He gets it that we need to find new ways for energy not just guzzling oil.
So far….great speech. Very bipartisan. However, no matter WHAT he says, the dims are going to hate it.
DA <– perpetually proving my point.
He almost sounds like a democrat huh?
take everyone’s car away and give them to Haliburton!
Pelosi looks like she needs a suppository.
Why ask them to appoint your judges when you sneak them in anyway?
Notice Cheney takes a drink of water…. Bush takes a drink of water! LoL
Bush just did away with our Kansas drinking water in favor of producing more ethanol to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. So now we will be dependent on importing foreign drinking water.
Damn it’s nice to see a woman up there in power.
And a democrat!
Nine Eleven – Twenty Four minutes – a new record for GWB!
9/11…this war…
he STILL keeps trying to make connections.
Jeb is not gonna let you drill off Florida!
How dare he bring up Osama Bin Laden, when HE CHOSE TO GO AFTER SADDAM INSTEAD.
Grrr.
He was the one who said Osama was no longer a threat.
Yeah? Well how about we quit doing stuff that pisses people off at us?
The great quesiton is “How long will you let me keep making Halliburton rich?”
hey Wichita Eagle, you couldn’t have turned off the dang spam checker for tonight? Everything I type has to be a pain in the butt!
Sounds like he’s talking about right wing American zealots when he describes terrorists.
I’m not a fan of Dubya, to say the least, and I stopped watching after his opening remarks. I just wanted to see how he’d handle the Pelosi *ya know she’s a woman* thing, and I thought he did pretty well. He turned into Frat Boy George with Charm, but he said what he did with respect, IMO, or am I just blowing smoke up my own ass???
What choice did he have, if not he would have pissed off a good number of women…Well maybe not Ann C. Of course she is a woman in name only!
” I didn’t break Iraq!”
“Iraq broke Iraq!”
“PLEASE let me attack Iran!”
‘Oh and here is why it will NEVER be over!”
Yada, yada, yada…democratically elected governments, yada yada yada.
What happened to the democratically elected governments of Lebanon, Venuzeula, Iran, etc?
Oh, shit, that just means democratically elected governments that LOVE us!
Including the DEMOCRATS in the USA.
The last I knew Mr. President they set it up in Pakistan !
Is it over yet?
Whose giving the democratic response?
Mr C,how many times did you expect him to thank you. That did have that great party in the streets when they heard the democrats had taken both houses? They know the pressure will be off soon and they can bring their goons back instead of using them all in Ethiopia as they did today.
Here in Manila, every time they go to a closeup of the president, the local cable company starts running a crawl for vitamin supplements across his forehead.
Jim Webb, who has a boy serving in Iraq, is going to give the Dems response – I heard that it is going to be kick ass…..
Webb, who you’ll recall got into a fight with Dubya when he said he had a son/nephew/something fighting in Iraq. A verbal fight.
Webb won.
“Remeber The only thing to fear is EVERYTHING!”
I need a bigger army! I’ve got invasions to do!
The response is going to be given by the Senator whose son is serving in Iraq and about whom there was a flap because he skipped a reception line with W in it last month. Can’t think of his name right now.
Sorry I’m late; there was a long line at the liquor store.
Former Reagan Navy Secretary, freshly elected Senator Jim Webb (D-VA) will be delivering the Democratic response to President Bush’s State of the Union speech.
It appears my resident Bush support could not find anything else on TV. She is stomping around the house Pissed. Hee
JR who did Clinton make angry because the terrorists were sure active when he was in office, embassies, world trade center, aircraft carriers, barracks, etc…
I think you get the idea. Just what did Clinton do to make the terrorists so mad? Maybe he could apologize.
Has anybody else noticed that Cheney and Bush always sip water SIMULTANEOUSLY?Scary.
Germie – can you get a translator for your posts?
An English translator?
A civilian force to deploy abroad?
Uh yeah that was sorta what the National Guard was supposed to be.
Any body in a hurry to signup?
Wait, the UN doing something good? I thought repubs hated the UN?
Civilian corp? Isn’t that what the reserves is, but he’s taking it over for his stupid standbox oil war? Such crap! More violence, more fear, that’s all he’s good for. Impeach him and Cheney now, it’s the only hope we have.
Webb! That’s right.
Oh, Dafur got a mention this year.
YAY, DARFUR…but won’t that be a conflict of interest with Bush’s intel buddies?
Cheney sure looks pissed each time Nancy shoots up outta her chair and he has to lumber up (again).
You big readers surely remember Webb. He is the one who wrote the literary novel about customs in the Phillipines that the Phillipinos knew nothing about.
Sure, Aids….but birth control, hell NO.
Christ, P Mom, don’t ya know that you can’t get AIDS if you don’t F!@#E$R%^&*(?
Even a doper like me knows that…..
I don’t see Pelosi eating any lemons but her face sure looks sour.
Yeah the world thinks we’re great…so great Manilla puts ads on Bush’s head!
Yeah, no birth control and we are gonna make sure that you get a nice tax deduction so that you can afford health care, um….if someone can’t afford it now having it taken out of their monthly budget, how is this going to help?
Dikembe Mutumbo??? WTF!
Depends on what part of the Phils he was talking about.Gotta remember, there are 7000 islands here…lots of regional differences, sort of like the U.S. before the advent of mass communications.
He’s talking about Baby Einstein and NBA stars? WTH?
Do you understand what a tax deduction is?
“LOOK A basketball player and a baby sitter who made it! Look at all the opportunity!”
What channel ya’ll watching, I’m on MSNBC.
Yes I do understand what a tax deduction is, for the people that will qualify for this deduction, they will get money back in refunds…that doesn’t help them on their week to week paychecks which is where the issue is on health care. Not to mention the fact that some speculation has been that income that is paid in health care premiums straight out of your paycheck will now be taxable, which is not the case now. It’s a joke, just like HSA, if you don’t have the money to start with it’s not going to help you.
Do not get me wrong, these people are to be admired for what they have done. But to me they are being used as nothing more then more bright, shiny objects.
I’ve seen just about every major speech Bush has ever given – and this is one of the best. Very insightful. Very bipartisan. Very passionate.
And moving. The story about the hero in Iraq – wow.
Now, will the democrats have an equally optimistic and can-do approach? We’ll see…
He told his advisors he was going to be sober tonight? (as stated by Brian Williams on NBC)
Has that been a problem???
I think McCain is playing tetris on his blackberry.
I don’t ever allow my TV to tune to PMSNBC
Excellent speech IMO. He hit a lot of good points domestically and expanded the WOT into alQuada attacks prevented. I think he will get about a 5 point bump in the polls.
Some questions though: where has he been for the last 6 years on oil? Fuel economy? Health care? Deficit? So many things that should have been done long ago.
But – a good and well-delivered speech.
Also – a very good beginning “Madame Speaker”
I’ll be back after Webb’s response.
I want to give IT my undivided.
I liked the energy talk, and I liked the Darfur thing, but I doubt he’ll deliver.
The Iraq sounded same ole same ole, and it REALLY made me angry when he brought up Osama.
The soldier, yep, he’ll be a Senator someday. And he deserves it.
I am sorry. I still can’t watch Bush talk. Something is on tape delay, and it ain’t the satellite feed.
golfnut now if only means what he said. Or like the last one is it nothing more then saying the words we all want to hear and he does not even believe his own words?
And he’s EXACTLY right about Iraq: we can’t afford to leave it undone.
writer, do you not get the then/than difference?
IRAQ DOES NOT WANT US THERE. and him equating sunnis to alqaida…that’s likely not going to help the matter either.
slyeyes – think about it. Drunks can go to rehab. Stupid is a way of life. Just ask Mark Foley.
true, remember the pottery barn rule! By our actions we have played into the extremeists hands with Iraq.
IMPEACH THE CHIMP!www.impeachBush.org
On CNN International, they talked at length about how the Democrats were showing more respect to the president than the Republicans were, e.g., Dana Rohrbacher refusing to applaud.Did they talk about that there?
Mr. Lewis, that wasn’t very nice. Perhaps you should go hunting with Mr. Cheney.
All Bush was saying, is give War a Chance!
Nope they didn’t mention it mrc.
They talked about how gracious Bush was to Pelosi
Time to spin useless spam like the libs did all during the SOTU
Thought this was supposed to be a rebuttal (sp?) not just him talking about himself?
“libs” – there are Liberians on this thread?!? Who knew?
Someone get me some coffee quick! Webb is putting me to sleep!
He’s dead on right about returning to the people who live in America.
He’s dead on right about the war, the sacrifice.
Well, Tom Brokaw agreed with me re Dubya and the way he treated Pelosi. Brokaw said when he talked to W.H. aides earlier today he was told this was going to be the way it was handled.
Can’t refute what Webb has to say JM?
LOL golfnut is that the best you could do! Yes I understand the usage. But you are trying to argue the difference between someone yelling “Fire” and their yelling “Far” either way it is not the usage that is the matter. It is the understanding of the smoke and flames. If you wish to argue the usage. Than you will have to choose if you will run out or debate the misusage. But to understand its intent, then you will run.
Webb’s rebutal is seriously kicking ass – it puts all the chicken hawk Repub cowards to shame!!!!
Dems serve – Rebs talk about it.
NBC was saying that traditionally, the speech is written by the party. Webb threw that one out and wrote his own.
Sounds like he’s just wanting Bush to stick to his word.
But I don’t know about the part where he cited Andrew Jackson. What he said was good, but Andrew Jackson?!?
Refute want Webb has to say? I thought Charlie Brown was on…all I heard was “waaah waaah waaaah.”
Good speech by Webb too. Not as flashy – no ‘props’ vailable. But short, straight, honest, and to the point.
Let’s see the Republicans Swift-Boat him!
writerdog,you did it twice – that’s why i asked.
Dave Barry for President.
And you thought that was a humor blog.
Now that’s truly sad JM, we all discussed the speech Bush gave…and you can’t even come back with a decent response.
Typical neoCON.
JM – you must have been watching the FOX network.
I have to get off and attent to the Bush supporter in the house. She gets so testy during these times. Have so the last few years, Bush interrupts her TV shows!
Yeah he bring out the best in her!! HEh Heh.
Webb – “Dems and the GOP differ from how we view the current economy”
Translation: If Republicans something good, it still sucks.
That about says it all for the Democratic side no matter the subject.
Jim Webb was great! I loved the “If he won’t, we will show him the way.” Awesome!
There really was no sense in watching the rebuttal speech. It’s just gonna be the same ol whiney BS, and Webb didn’t disappoint.
However, he clearly lied when he said the “…majority of the military….”
He’ll get called upon to support that data.
Webb was sincere, and addressed the real issues that most affect our state of the union — the war in Iraq and the economy. He respectively asked THIS president to use good judgment.
Webb’s speech was STELLAR!
It was nice to hear something after that pap fest from bush.
And WHO are those pie eyed yahoos who look like they are about to faint in bush’s presence? Morons.
Yeah right PMom, seriously discussed Bushes speech. The Libs were oozing out their pre-SOTU mantra before there was any talking.
And no people, I watched C-SPAN for the SOTU and CNN for Webb.
Barak Obama is far easier to listen to and am listening to him right now.
“For the first time, more troops disapprove of the president’s han dling of the war than approve of it. Barely one-third of service members approve of the way the president is handling the war, ac cording to the 2006 Military Times Poll.”
Military times poll 12/29/06http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2006_main.php
I read an article recently that said that if Bush killed and ate a baby, the Republican hardcore would still support him.
Tonight’s State of the Union is proof that is true.
If Bush ate their baby, the Republican supporters would still support the son-of-a-bitch.
Work on them tinfoil hats, ‘pubs.
F(*&^%$ ing losers!!!!
He already has the data to support that statement.
http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2006_main.php
Like anybody cares about JMs opinion anyway.
YO JM? You are late for a meltdown on a thread somewhere!
LOL NIKKI.
And Kia, the economy may be good for you, but nobody else feels it.
Nice one, Nicki, but they’re obviously liars, too. Anyone who disagrees with the “American Way” is a liar.
Kidding, kidding!Can’t we all just get a loon?
We had that comment nailed, huh P Mom? LOL
WS – that’s a bit gross. I thought many of the Repubs looked quite uncomfortable. They’ve been working for a guy who’s now an embarassment. That’s not where they thought they’d be. And last time I checked, they don’t allow tinfoil hats (or women) in the clubhouse.
Don’t refute with facts, it’ll only confuse them!
We already have a loon, his name is Bush.
:D
Democrat rule #2Liberal sources are always 100% reputable.Conservative never are.
Oh come on Kia. OK fine, find another poll that says the troops love Bush right now.
Okay J R, since you are getting personal… and this thread is about the SOTU, let me play by your and WS Clark’s rule of character assasination.
Hey J R, what are you going to do when your cashed in 401K runs out?
Get a job or go sleep under an underpass and then complain how no one has helped you?
People do get jobs you know, even those with severe handicaps. What’s your excuse?
Facts? We are still allowed to have those, right? They haven’t been outlawed by some signing statement or anything yet, right?
JM it’s REALLY hard for people with even mind disabilities to get a job. You know all those ‘essential qualifications for the job’ often has language that specifically and legally allows them not to hire.
And that whole ‘make reasonable accomodations’ … I was turned down for a job because they wouldn’t let me have a chair to sit.
that was supposed to say “mild disabilities”.
So, ……………. what’s your point JM?
Is there apoint or is it just more lib bashing?
Can we just skip the “alleged mature discussion” and you can go directly to the personal attacks?
Notice that it is you that have already gone to personal attacks.
Republicans pretty much did away with them, but they are starting to make a comeback.
Enlighten me here Mom.How can only 50% of the country approve of the economy yet 70% say their household financial situation is “good”, “very good” or “excellent”?
It’s because of the likes of your kind in the media constantly reporting nothing but negatives.
http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/
“…the economy may be good for you, but nobody else feels it.”
Everyone I know feels it. The economy now is stronger than it was when Clinton was president. Our GDP is higher, the Dow is higher, unemployment is lower, interest rates are lower…
They must not realize that the National Debt is partially theirs.
steve – don’t be silly – it belongs to their grandkids.
and their grandkids….lol
re: MilitaryCity.com
since when is 42% a majority?
When Ross Perot is in the election Golf :)
Turn about is fair play…JR makes a lot of assumptions and accusations about others who disagree with him. So far, he’s accused me of marrying money, investing in companies who set up shop in other countries and drain jobs away from Americans, living in an ivory tower completely removed from reality and hating the poor and the homeless…even though my life work is serving the underserved and others he probably wouldn’t touch with a ten foot pole. Maybe it’s time his use of personal attacks comes around to bite him in the ass.
the Dims never have been too good with math
Would that be 70% of the people who have an income over 1 million a year??
C’mon…
I work for me JM.
BUT unlike Republicans? I don’t forget where I came from.
ya know what bush came down to tonight?
“Here are some good things the dems are gonna make me do so I may as well try and rehabilitate my legacy.”
Well…Mr. Nut….”Only 35 percent of the military members polled this year said they approve of the way President Bush is handling the war, while 42 percent said they disapproved.”
Obviously this does not add up to 100%, leaving most to believe that there were some soldiers that chose not to answer that question. So while only 42% disapproved, I think the more important number is the fact that only 35% approved. Do you honestly believe that soldiers approve of a strategy that requires them to be deployed and redeployed and then deployed again. Then they are stoplossed, then they are kept beyond the term of their deployment, they are basically held hostage so that they will re-up, do you think that is something they support?
Mary C – sounds like you have quite a resume!
speaking of drinking games…http://www.borowitzreport.com/
JM, where I went to school, 42% was more than 35%.
From the article, “Only 35 percent of the military members polled this year said they approve of the way President Bush is handling the war, while 42 percent said they disapproved. “
The Repubs, like Golf, JM, KIA, and others do not give a good god damn about the deficit and the national debt……….
The debt is just something that the poor saps that do not have the resources that ‘Pubs have will have to deal with…..
The Republicans have theirs – and their thought is to hell with the rest of the country.
Jim Webb said:”The majority of the nation no longer supports the way this war is being fought; nor does the majority of our military”
42% is not the majority of the military.
Even for Dimocrats.
“An overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops serving in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year, and more than one in four say the troops should leave immediately, a new Le Moyne College/Zogby International survey shows.”
http://www.zogby.com/NEWS/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
Testicles:
Only 35 percent of the military members polled this year said they approve of the way President Bush is handling the war, while 42 percent said they disapproved.
42 is more than 35.
OK, have it your way. 42% don’t approve; 23% couldn’t care enough to answer; and 35% approve.
Do you like that math any better?
Doesn’t look like the majority of the military exactly has his back.
Pee:I’ll type this extra slow for you:
Jim Webb said:”The majority of the nation no longer supports the way this war is being fought; nor does the majority of our military”
42% is not the majority of the military.
Even for you.
Rule #1 of money management:Don’t buy stuff you can’t afford.
I don’t have much money in the bank, but I have zero debt besides my home.
Wants mines because you don’t gots? That’s Socialism. There’s at least 3 countries off the top of my head operating under that economic theory.
Nicki,Typical liberal ploy. When you’ve lost the argument – change the subject!
The Republicans would Monica Bush if he OFFERED them a tax cut, regardless of what it would do to the rest of the population. They don’t give a good god damned about the rest of the world or even the rest of the United States of America.
But………. that is the Republican way.
slyeyes,
And when did I make a comment about such poll ratings? You have me confused with someone else?
I’m not changing the subject….most logical people would understand that if the troops at a 72% clip believe they should be home in a year (last year by the way) then it would be rational to believe that they probably are not too happy with the current state of affairs. Just because the FACTS don’t jive with your narrow view of Republican rose colored crap doesn’t make it any less true.
42% is a ‘relative majority’ aka a ‘plurality.’ In this case, a portion of the eligible voters may have been indisposed in bunkers in Iraq.
Lets assume that the percent left out were ambivalent ok testicles?
So that would be 42+35= 77% have a strong opinion for or against the war. That leaves 100-77= 23%.
Now, between 23% undecided, 42% disagree, and 35% agree…which is the majority?
Pee,Obviously, math was not your strong subject.
No matter how you slice it, 42% is not a majority.
Lost argument?
Change subject?
Typical conservative ploy when losing; a refusal to accept reality.
Must be a different military now.
Could have sworn that the Commander in charge of us did not offer us a poll on what exactly it was we wanted to do.
ROFL!
By definition, majority is greater than half.
“Barely one in three service members approve of the way the president is handling the war, according to the new poll for the four papers (Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Times). In another startling finding, only 41% now feel it was the right idea to go to war in Iraq in the first place.”
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003526245
I’ll type it extra slow for you Mr. Nut….according to this poll BARELY 1/3 of troops polled agree with the President’s course! Now, help me out with my math here, being a dimocrat and all I might need you to hold my hand…. If 1/3 agree with the President and 2/3 disagree, who is the majority?
So…………which one of you Republicans is lining up to Monica Bush right now?
From this vantage point, it looks like there are a lot of ‘Pubs taking cuts.
Pervs….
Either you believe that Democracy in the middle east makes America and the World safer or you don’t.
If you don’t, that’s fine. You’re wrong and it’s your right as an American.
Hey KSGolfnut,
I have 100 dollars I found.
I’ll give you most of it.
Here’s your 42 dollars.
LOL
Anything repeated at least 3 times must, by definition, be true. It’s true, it’s true, it’s true!
Beetlejuice, beetlejuice, beetle….oh wait a minute…lol
From dictionary.com:
the amount by which the greater number, as of votes, surpasses the remainder (distinguished from plurality).
When three or more choices are available, however, a distinction is made between majority and plurality. A majority, then, consists of more than one-half of all the votes cast, while a plurality is merely the number of votes one candidate receives in excess of the votes for the candidate with the next largest number.
So you’re right, Testicles, in a way, the proper term should have been plurality.
If you’re working, you got a cut. If you aren’t you are on welfare. The best “monica” the government can give you.
Testicles likes to play with semantics.
Nicki,
Let me give you a clue about the AF,ARMY,NAVY and MIL Times. They are all civilian run newspapers. Anyone can subscribe to it, including civilians.
It was that way 30+ years ago and that way now.
First thing a military person learns that you can’t believe what is written in the AF,ARMY,NAVY, MIL times.
Why you ask? Because they are not the official spokespeople for the DOD and get their information second hand, third hand and sources that can’t be identify.
Anyone that uses those publications as a measuring stick probably never has served in the miiitary and doesn’t understand that most all veteran military members realize those publications are merely just reading material,nothing more.
Oh yeah, and if you want to see your name on a promotion list. That’s the only reason I bought it. heh
Testicles likes to play with what?
Looks to me like it’s easier for some to debate numbers than to talk about the issues.
An equal ploy to changing the subject..
Pee,Of course I’m right.
Nicki,You’ve never taken a statistics course (and passed), have you? I know this because no one who has would dare make the leap that you just made with the 1/3 vs. 2/3.
And we’ve again digressed to liberals making homophobic remarks about conservatives.What an enlightened bunch
With that I’m off to watch Simon Cowell humiliate some likely Kerry/Clinton/Obama supporters.Good night.
There polls stipulate that it was TROOPS IN IRAQ being polled. I guess if it doesn’t come from Sean Hannity it can’t be credible. I’ve cited 3 sources that indicate a serious disapproval by the troops in harms way…what more do you want?
70% is however a true majority- and you can’t dispute that.
And 70% want out in the next year.
That means they DO NOT support Bush’s plan.
sorry that should be Their polls.
Face it, Jim Webb lied.
The end.
Sorry for both sides,
Bush’s speech tonight was one very large load of crap, from his domestic to his foreign policy agenda.
This was his night to appear as a uniter vs. a divider. He has never wanted to be the former, and continues to be the latter. When will you people get it???
Time to stop his raid on middle class health benefits. Any Dem who doesn’t, should be defeated, post haste.
Impeach this prick, ASAP!
Webb’s words were 100% true.
I liked especially that the wealthy were reminded of T Roosevelts time and the era of the robber barons.
So riddle me this JM… who do you believe? It’s nice for you to sit there and deflect what seem to be credible threats to your argument. Facts?!? Who needs em! Polls?!? Way too easy to fake! And all without having to throw out a shred of supporting evidence for your “idea” looks like somebody is tuned in to the conservative attack radio.
And I’m sure KSGolfnut is running around waving his D- in Juco statistics and screaming about how his mommy put it up on the fridge for him…
As far as I can see Nicki is the only one actually bothering to back up her claims with something other than smug comments and smart ass remarks…
just my .02 dollars
The end, the end, the end!I wouldn’t trust a DOD poll -Do you approve of Bush’s plan, or would you like to spend more time on the front line?
Still, 42% is huge, considering these people are putting their lives on the line for our country. There’s a big difference between believing in your country and the democratic process, and having faith in a particular president.
Dan,
Okay fair enough. I’ll email my grandnephew who has been in Iraq two times and on his way over for a third time. I’ll ask him to ask his troops and people in his battalion if they have been polled about the war.
I bet you will get an answer you won’t like. That is, the existence of such a poll is pure BS.
But, I’ll check and get back to you.
SOTU:War, either you win or you loose. Which do you prefer.Response from the democrats:Jim Webb: I served when mr. webb was SecNav. He was pretty bad. But not as bad as CinC jimmy the dhimmi, carter was a graduate of the Naval Academy as was mr. webb. Neither had anhing that resembles character.Win or don’t win. Simple concept.FYI hillary clinton, nancy pelosi, chuck shcumer, et al are traitors and should reap a traitor’s reward.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm… eh, Glenn, can you help us interpret your post?
What’s the margin of error in a poll of one’s relatives?
Yes well “Glenn”
bush’s vision of victory is not remotely realistic.
People who disagree with the current administration are per se “traitors”?
Familiar with “free speech”, or have you drank too much of the Cheney kool-aid?
JM you misunderstand me. When you have that poll in your hands and put it out for public consumption I will look at it with a TON of interest not automatically dismiss it as someone’s propaganda. Who are you to tell me what answer I would like? Do you know me? Just because I don’t understand how someone considers themselves fair and unbiased while disregarding chunks of data just because someone told them to never believe XYZ I’m a liberal now? And I suppose you’re going to tell me other things I believe too. But yes sir I’m against this war. Until you can convince me that the men and women in Iraq dying for our freedom aren’t being wasted in a frivolous war I will continue to be against it. I would think someone so concerned with the welfare of our fighting men and women would be a little less cavalier in regard to their fate.
There is a lot of misdirected anger on this thread. Are you venting because life has been unfair? Wouldn’t it be better to argue the high ground and perhaps influence a few undecided to join your cause? Therapy ain’t just for hippies anymore.
Well, I guess by those definitions the majority of the American people are traitors as well…
lol Annie, maybe the blog could get a group discount!
Well said, ’slyeyes,’ ‘visitor,’ and Dan!
pssst… a few of you others are cussing at your monitor. Don’t forget – I’ve got my tinfoil hat on, so I can seeeee you!
I would say anyone who advocates sending soldiers into an immoral war is a traitor to the constitution of the United States.
Holy Mackeral, did Bush suck or what?
Once the middle class understands that he’s going to tax medical benefits as “income,” the RepubliCONS are toast.
Well, they already were toast but Bush just turned the burner on max hot.
Worst. President. Ever.
Dan,
Okay. Didn’t realize you were going to get all in a huff about me verifying that polls were done in Iraq by asking actual soldiers in Iraq if they have ever been polled.
Nevermind then fellow, believe what you want to believe. Your chance for first source information just flew out the window.
Those are your facts to support your position? Phone-a-friend?
Okay, thanks, Glenn.
We wondered who the simple minded Bush “dead enders” are who support a failed policy.
Now we know.
Maybe you could enlighten us all on why the British with the most powerful military in the world in the 18th-19th century were defeated by Americans (twice). Why did the French lose Indo-china and Algeria? Why can’t Israel ever “win” over Palestine? Why did America lose in Vietnam? The Soviet Union in Afghanistan?
And why haven’t we won in Iraq in four year and 2 billion dollars a week?
Because of Nancy Pelosi, Glenn?
drizzle, drazzle, druzzle drone.
Time for this one to go home.
Annie, catch you later at the bar. I’ll start a tab.
JM,
Who’s in a huff? I told you I would be grateful for that type of information. It’s your presumption of the answer which I prefer that I have an issue with. Do you honestly think that I WANT the troops to be miserable? If you do, I’m sorry. I think you would agree with me (and most troops would) that the men and women we’re talking about would be better off here at home with their families. Making that our number one goal. But consider this… If we have the luxury of sitting around wondering if we should be in Iraq fighting does it really stand to reason that we HAVE to be? Is this the war we were sold? Is this as necessary as we were told it was? In my humble opinion these questions aren’t treason, they’re intelligence.
I’ll be there too, order me a JD sly, OK?
Check out JM.
This is the inDUHvidual who got all huffy because a serving soldier in Iraq called him a “dumbass.”
(JM had warned the kid not to post stuff critical of the war because of who could be “watching.”)
But ole JM doesn’t have a bit of a problem cat-calling the former Secretary of the Navy.
He also has no pangs of conscience catching those tax-payer funded checks the government sends him, even though he’s all against gov’t aid for actual poor people.
political mom – good point.btw – I asked my brother, an officer in the Air Force Reserve. He believes in our country 100%. Bush and his war? Not so much. “Not so much” is quite short of a majority. So now we have our ‘first source information.’ Support our troups – bring them home. I’ll buy them a drink at the bar. Bush? Not so much.
Dan–
Remember Donald Rumsfailed saying “how long will we be in Iraq? Could be six days, six weeks . . . I doubt six months.”
Yeah, that was close. Six months plus another four to six years or more.
Good job, Annie.
I have a cousin is in the Army in Iraq. He supports the war and the President.We are up to 50/50.
Annie, where in So Cal do you live?I am in Bakersfield.
Not hardly Capn,
For once you need to stop distorting what I write.
I told Andrew to be careful on what he wrote because communications are monitored very carefully in a war zone.
You slip up and give a location where you are, what kind of unit you are in and etc. this is not a good thing. The enemy monitors things like this too.
CapnAmerica,I remember a lot of things… banners…. aircraft carriers… jumpsuits… painful things. My real problem is that everything we hear now just sounds like shutting the gate after the horses are gone. I can’t understand how we can let this stuff happen. Then again, you can go all the way back in history and watch the cycle repeat itself over and over. When disinterest and apathy are the national pastime and our idea of a war is trying to fight as an occupying force on the other side of an ocean which has NEVER worked EVER. (the ivy league must be slipping on it’s history classes) The entire government looks like a laurel and hardy movie… (read: Yes I voted for the war but I didn’t think it was good idea, this is another fine mess you’ve gotten us into!) I’m starting to think the folks heading for the bar have the best idea. 151 and leave the bottle.
Here you go Capn,
An example of what I was warning Andrew about.
“…here’s a good reason why American Soldier and other milibloggers keep pseudonyms: to stay out of trouble with military brass. Another pseudonymous military blogger, known as CBFTW, was unmasked as Army specialist Colby Buzzell after his superiors found his blog and said it was potentially undermining “operational security,” a.k.a. OPSEC.
http://www.ojr.org/ojr/glaser/1096404261.php
The Annenberg Center for Communication of the University of Southern California (USC)
JM is a Douche Bag.
The facts are in his face and he sits there and trys to twist and turn reality.
Simply delusional.
Your holding on to anything you can find with this administration, arent you?
Gary C.
Twist and turn reality? Point out in this thread where I twisted and turned reality.
I’ll address you on any subject you wish if I have knowledge of it. I suck at electronics and poetry, so don’t go there. :)
Aw, gee, it’s over?
I did try to watch, but my best friend of 42 years (we were friends in the womb) called to ask if I could believe all the bullshit. She knew I would be watching. (Now you know how a friendship can last 42 years.)
One point I’d like to add is that before any of the “dignitaries” arrived, the commentators were talking about how the Dems had been told to react. Repubs, too, so it isn’t one-sided. Both wanted their people to show respect. No eyebrow raising at a comment–it might end up on YouTube. No falling asleep. No hooting and hollering (my words, not theirs). They wanted both sides to appear bipartisan to the American public.
I’d say they did a fair job of that, even though I missed pretty much everything after the first 5 minutes of the speech, itself.
And I sure didn’t see Cheney bobbing up and down as much as Pelosi did. Afraid it might be too much exercise for his poor heart?
Same old, same old lies and b.s.
Would somebody PLEASE fix my country?
Mr. Kia- I am south of you…near Hollywood, land of electronics and poetry. It’s been fun, and hopefully educational. Good night!
“mind disabilities”
Love that Freudian slip, PMom!
Would the above restrict JM from getting a job, I am wondering…
“All he is saying,is give war a chance.”
The comments below were sent by ordinary Americans across the country to Senator Jim Webb as he prepared to deliver the official Democratic response to the president’s State of the Union.
Paul S.:I served in the U. S. Navy (enlisting 3 days prior to my 18th birthday) during World War II. That was a great honor for me.
This Iraq war was wrong from the first being based on false information. We have continued to be involved in what is truly a civil war between people who have been fighting each other for years and will continue to do so.
It’s time we got out of there and stopped the useless loss of lives and crippling injuries of our young men and women.
The Congress needs to do whatever is necessary to stop it and stop it soon!
James S.:We must bring our troops home! Sunday was the deadliest day in two years and one of the deadliest ever in this war for our troops. We went there without a cause; we went there without a plan; we went there without a focus. We have stayed without the support of the Iraqi people; we have stayed without the support of the world community; now we are staying without the support of the American people. We must come home, now!
Margaret P.:Health care for all is a critical issue even for those who already have health insurance. The cost of drugs, medical procedures, and doctors’ appointments is rising every year. We have many insurance plans for those working and over a hundred plans for Medicare D, which makes the drug and insurance companies very wealthy. The amount of paper work is out of sight. I’d like to see a universal health care plan where everyone is covered. It could be pay as you go (our pay checks taxed, as social security is) and we should be able to cover the poor by seeing that they have a health exam each year, thereby avoiding all those emergency room visits. The saddest thing is that the money wasted on this Iraq fiasco, could have covered every citizen’s health needs and we still would have money left over for all the public schools in the nation.
Christopher B.:Lobbying and Ethics reform. Take away the power of corporate interests and restore power to the people– by amendment if necessary. Money should not pollute our Democracy.
Grant C.:I believe we need to look inside ourselves, as a country, to find a common ground… the place where our differences are respected as a part of a living, changing vision. We cannot be divisive about the need for better healthcare, education and emergency management. In a civilized society, these are basic rights that all people must be allowed to enjoy. We must be world leaders in these areas, demonstrating the power of democracy to thrive on a higher level, before we can expect others to embrace our ideals.
Evangeline F.:I would like for the state of Hurricane Katrina homes in New Orleans to be mentioned. It’s still a national disgrace because the 9th ward is still untouched. It looks like the hurricane just left. No clean up whatsoever has taken place.
I still don’t understand how you can stop a religious/politically driven civil war with a gun?
It’s a full-time job keeping JM honest, because he’s essentially dishonest.
“Ask your Commander or First Shirt on what level of respect you are supposed to say to active duty and retired personnel.
“I don’t think the term dumbass is included in there.”
Now go back and read JM critique of Former Sec’ry of the Navy Jim Webb’s rebuttal to the SOTU.
Can any sentient being see that as showing “respect”?
He holds OTHERS to standards he won’t hold himself to . . . typical.
But he sure has no trouble cashing those gov’t pension checks paid for by you and me.
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