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- By Phillip Brownlee
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Good article today on the front page of the Salina Journal about water issues in the upcoming legislative session.
Or lack of water issues may actually be a better title.
Seems governor leadership isnt the only one who doesnt want to touch this third rail of Kansas politics. Key legislators are still whining there is nothing they can do to stop irrigation.
Well, nothing that is, except make huge cash payments to big irrigators. (Like Steve Irsik?) Which is so much baloney, since the state owns ALL the water in Kansas. It can do as it pleases… kinda like David Pope has been doing while overappropriating water rights for over twenty years.
With the full approval of the kansas water office, the kansas water board, and the kansas department of agriculture.
They all want to blame water shortages on “the drought” (boogy boogy boogy man) except, well, the USGS and the KSGS have the data that shows otherwise.
Hell, some of them and the elected officials charged with water oversight are even peddling the idea that we dont have a water shortage, just a drought.
Huh?
Even when the USGS and the KSGS, by their own standards, say we are not in what is usually called a drought period? Tracy Streeter, the head of governor leadership’s drought team, doesnt even know what rainfall levels constitutes a drought.
I hope THAT makes you all sleep better at night….
It really is farming practices, irrigated grains, and over pumping that’s causing the decline in stream flow. The USGS has the data to support that position, but those pesky facts would be too difficult politically to face for many elected officials thirsty for donations from big irrigation, big corn, and big farmers (like Steve Irsik?).
Better to blame water problems on the weather, even when the facts dont support that dodge.
hee hee hee and Dan Johnson in Hays is whining about “all we need to do is cut off junior water rights”. Like at Cedar Bluff.
Are you listening Kanopolis?
It looks like both Kansas republicans AND democrats are going to take a play from the bush book on iraq.
Put your fingers in your ears, sing lalalalalalala, and hope to run out the clock and hand the problem off to the NEXT person to hold office. I think that is the “punt and look the other way” strategy.
http://www.saljournal.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=9134&format=html
And the band plays on…….
Gee KSFG are you saying that your friend “The Speaker” is not listening to you?
As for Dan Johnson he won’t do anything until the Gov. tells him he can.
You have rural KS controlling the legislature so you should be able to get somewhere with your friends.
“Gee KSFG are you saying that your friend “The Speaker” is not listening to you?
As for Dan Johnson he won’t do anything until the Gov. tells him he can.”
Hmmmm. Since Dan Johnson is a republican, does that mean he is switching parties to support governor leadership in allowing hays to RAPE western kansas?
And, uh, just for the record, sts, Melvin was the person who put the stop on Hays draining Cedar Bluff for YEARS!!! Larry Powell has been extremely helpful too, which may be why the dems convinced a republican to switch parties and run against larry. (Larry won!)
No one dares to piss off the gov’s own Darth Cheney, er, joe harkins. It wasnt until governor leadership and her merry band of thugs, (joe harkins, john bird, eber phelps, josh svaty, janis lee, et al) GUTTED kansas water policy that hays and russell (think ethanol) finally got to put their big, long, um, straw in the lake and drain it.
Look it up sts. Melvin put stops in the appropriation bills for the kansas water office that protected Cedar Bluff reservoir and recreational water use. Protected it for years, until the issue was taken out of appropriations and put in ag and the environment and natural resources committees.
You know, under the control of joe harkins and adrian polanski?
heheheh. So sts, the uber conservative, actually sides WITH governor leadership and AGAINST the republican speaker on this issue?
my my my. I wonder what sts has in terms of water interests?
Or is he/she just willing to sell out party and and ideology just to gig me? heheheh. If that is the case…
…hey sts. Gay marriage? Wanna sell out the republicans and conservatives to gig me on THAT issue? Come on. I dare ya!
heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh
I hope you have already filled yer canteen sts. All that huffin’ and puffin’ will surely make you thirsty….
jesus wept
On a serious note, here is a new year’s prediction from the farmgrrrl.
The legislature, on both sides of the aisle and in both houses, will ignore really important water issues, and the proposed coal fired plant in southwest kansas.
And if someone forces those issues?
Look for party affiliations not being worth a pitcher of warm spit.
It will split down the lines of irrigators, corn growers and ethanol boosters vs. urban and recreational water user interests and their uncomfortable alliance with the “greenies” in this state.
I think if those two issues, water and Holcomb, ever come to the fore, we’re gonna see some VERY strange political bedfellows.
It’s good to see you, Frmgrl, we’ve missed ya!
THIS SHOULD BE AN OUTRAGE IF IT IS TRUE!
Does anyone know anything about this?Question: Thousands of illegal aliens — many of whom are drug smugglers, gangsters and other criminals — cross our borders every single day. But what happens to our brave border patrol agents who aggressively pursue and try to capture these criminals?
Answer: 11-12 years in prison!You read that right.Two brave U.S. Border Patrol agents — Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean — are headed to prison for a combined 23 YEARS! Their sentences begin on January 17 ‚Äì less than two weeks from today!Their crime?Defending our nation’s southern border against illegal alien drug smugglers.In other words, these two men are going to jail for what Congressman Tom Tancredo called, “doing their job” — securing the border.Here are the facts:1. Border Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean spotted a suspicious van on U.S. soil near the U.S.-Mexico border.2. The van was being driven by an illegal alien — Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila — who was smuggling 743 pounds of marijuana into the United States.
3. When the illegal alien and drug smuggler saw Agents Ramos and Compean, he ran for the border. The agents heard gun shots while pursuing Davila on foot.4. According to media reports, Davila at one point turned toward the pursuing agents and pointed what appeared to be a gun. The border agents fired their weapons at the fleeing illegal alien drug smuggler.
5. Davila was hit in his buttocks — although Compean and Ramos apparently did not know it at the time — and Davila didn’t even slow down. He jumped into a waiting van and sped off in the night.What happened next is so unbelievable, so outrageous that it should boil the blood of every American.Apparently outraged that a foreign illegal drug smuggler was shot in the buttocks, Johnny Sutton — U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Texas — ordered a full-scale, no stone un-turned, investigation of COMPEAN AND RAMOS!The illegal alien drug smuggler Davila received full immunity for his testimony against Agents Ramos and Compean. Not only that, he was given full medical care at an Army medical center in El Paso courtesy of U.S. taxpayers.As The New American put it:”Incredibly, while agents Ramos and Compean and their families face economic ruin, emotional devastation, and real physical danger, as a result of that 15-minute chase, Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila — an admitted felon and drug smuggler — has not only gotten off scot-free, he stands to become a rich man, courtesy of the U.S. taxpayers. In a seemingly unbelievable turn of events, agents for the U.S. Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security contacted the smuggler in Mexico and offered him complete immunity if he would testify that the Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean had violated his civil rights.”We couldn’t make this up if we tried.Sutton charged these two heroes with Causing Serious Bodily Injury, Assault with a Deadly Weapon, Discharge of a Firearm in Relation to a Crime of Violence, and — get this — a violation of the “civil rights” of an illegal alien.In other words, he threw the book at them.What about the illegal alien drug smuggler you ask? DAVILA WAS AGAIN CAUGHT SMUGGLING DRUGS INTO THE UNTIED STATES! And Sutton gave him immunity from prosecution from those crimes as well.What Happened at the Trial?The actual arrest should give you an indication of what is going on here: Instead of calling the two agents into headquarters, the Department of Homeland Security sent two SWAT teams to stage a high-profile arrest at each house, during which they bullied the two men and their stunned and terrified families.At the trial, the prosecutor, Assistant U.S. Attorney Debra Kanov, dismissed Agent Ramos’s testimony that he saw “something shiny” in Davila’s hand. She said Ramos “couldn’t be sure it was a gun he had seen.”In other words, if it’s dark and you can’t be absolutely certain that the shiny thing you see pointed at you and your fellow agent is a pistol, don’t fire until you get a bullet between your eyes. Then you’ll know for certain it’s a gun.Also, the prosecutor said it was a violation of Border Patrol policy for agents to pursue dope dealers on the run. As she explained it:”Agents are not allowed to pursue. In order to exceed the speed limit, you have to get supervisor approval, and they did not.”Ramos, who had a stellar 10-year record and who had been nominated for the Agent of the Year award, said in reply:”How are we supposed to follow the Border patrol strategy of apprehending terrorists or drug smugglers if we aren’t supposed to pursue fleeing people? Everybody who’s breaking the law flees from us. What are we supposed to do? Do they want us to catch them or not?”The answer to Officer Ramos’s question is: OBVIOUSLY NOT!That’s why criminals like Davila are crossing our borders every single day.And when two law enforcement officers try to carry out the will of the American people — when they try to do their jobs — they are handcuffed and hauled off to prison.Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean deserve to be commended for their bravery and service to our country, not charged by our government for supposedly violating an illegal alien drug smuggler’s “Civil Rights.”What the system has done to these agents is wicked and must be undone immediately.
What About the Jury?Question: What about the jury? Why did all 12 jurors agree that both Border Patrol officers were guilty?Three jurors now say THEY DIDN’T WANT TO VOTE GUILTY and are disturbed by the verdict.1. Robert Gourley, Claudia Torres, and Edine Woods say they were told the verdict HAD TO BE UNANIMOUS, which was flat-out untrue.
2. After the trial, at least two jurors gave sworn statements that they had been pressured to render a guilty verdict and did not understand that a hung jury was possible.
3. In addition, some jurors allegedly bullied other jurors, intimidating them into changing their votes.
4. One juror said he thought that 10 years in prison for the agents was excessive punishment. “Had we had the option of a hung jury,” he said, “I truly believe the outcome may have been different.”
5. Another said of the jury foreman, “I felt like he knew something about the judge that we did not know. I did not think that Mr. Ramos or Mr. Compean was guilty of the assaults and civil rights violations.”In light of these juror statements, defense attorney Mary Stillinger asked that the verdict be set aside, but the judge oddly, arbitrarily denied the motion.
What are Others Saying?People all over the country have expressed their indignation at this sickening misuse of our judicial system, which further hamstrings and intimidates our Border Patrol.1. Tom Tancredo — Congressman, anti-illegal immigration activist, and author of In Mortal Danger — said: “This is not the message that our legal system should be giving to the drug cartels that are smuggling drugs, people and terrorists across our borders.”
2. Andy Ramirez, of the non-profit Friends of the Border Patrol, said: “This is the greatest miscarriage of justice I have ever seen. This drug smuggler has fully contributed to the destruction of two brave agents and their families and has sent a very loud message to the other Border Patrol agents: If you confront a smuggler, this is what will happen to you.”3. 55 Members of Congress are demanding that President Bush pardon these brave border agents and 12 of these Members sent a letter to President Bush, which reads in part:”We ask that a full investigation of this case be ordered immediately. We are confident that during such an investigation you will find that these Border Patrol agents were acting within the scope of their duty and were unjustly prosecuted. Also, we ask that you use your power of presidential pardon, as granted by the United States Constitution in Article II, Section 2, to pardon these two Border Patrol agents.”4. Congressman Dana Rohrabacher has even called Agents Compean and Ramos, “heroes.”These expressions of outrage and anguish underline the monumental importance of this case.The drug cartels, gangs, and even terrorists seeking to exploit our nation’s open borders have just seen the light turn green.The Border Patrol has been stripped naked. It can’t fire a gun without risking more than ten years in prison. It can’t violate the speed limit without saying, “Mother, may I? And if it detains an illegal alien dealing drugs, it may be violating his civil rights?If you think illegal immigration is a problem, wait till you see what happens after Compean and Ramos are hauled off to prison in chains.There’s not a moment to lose — without a pardon, Agents Compean and Ramos will begin their jail sentences days from now, on January 17!These two brave border agents MUST NOT spend one day inThese Border Agents Can’t Really Be Innocent?This miscarriage of justice is so flagrant… so egregious… that many people have written us and asked if we are telling the whole story.Actually, for the sake of full disclosure, Ramos and Compean did disregard two departmental procedures, which we will point out just to illustrate the absurdity of this entire prosecution.First, Compean and Ramos should have NEVER pursued Davila in the first place. Departmental procedures require that agents obtain the approval of a supervisor before pursuing a suspect.In other words — per departmental procedures — when Davila started to run for the Mexican border, Compean and Ramos should have STOPPED… radioed a superior and asked for permission to pursue him.As Eagle Forum Founder Phyllis Schlafly put it:”A major argument used by the prosecution during the trial was that our government has a policy forbidding agents from chasing suspected drug smugglers without first getting permission from supervisors. That sounds like a no-arrest policy. By the time an agent gets permission, a smuggler can be out of sight and safely back over the border.”Secondly, Compean and Ramos neglected to mention in their report that shots had been fired. There is no dispute of that fact. Compean and Ramos were wrong…But… Is it fair and just to send two law enforcement officers to prison for a combined 23 years for pursuing a dangerous drug smuggler and neglecting to report that shots were fired?Hardly… in most cases, such actions warrant a few days of suspension without pay!Schlafly again:”How did the prosecution go from an administrative violation for failing to report a firearm discharge, with the penalty of perhaps a five-day suspension, to prosecution for intent to commit murder?”The U.S. is Sending the Wrong Message to our Border Patrol.Retired Border Patrol Supervisor David Stoddard — a Border Patrol veteran of 27 years — said of Ramos and Compean’s situation, “This is outrageous. This whole incident tells the Border Patrol agents all over the country it’s better to go out to their areas of responsibility and bring a portable DVD player and watch a movie, because that way you won’t get into trouble.”In fact, this situation has destroyed the morale of our Border Patrol agents. According to one source, “A lot of agents are now saying, ‘We don’t want to be the next Ramos and Compean.’”If President Bush pardons officers Compean and Ramos, he will be sending a strong message that America is committed to securing our borders — that our brave border patrol agents can do their jobs without fear of prosecution by our own government.
If he signs these pardons, it will infuse the Border Patrol with a new sense of pride and purpose. They will know the President of the United States stands behind then with all the awesome power of his office.It’s an outrage that Agents Ramos and Compean will be locked up next to the same brand of criminals, thugs, and gang members that they dedicated their lives to putting behind bars.And it’s an even bigger outrage that they are convicted and jailed… while our government is trying to grant AMNESTY to at least 12 million illegal aliens currently living and working in our country.Let’s flood Congress and the White House with faxes demanding a pardon of these two Border Patrol Agents.Let’s demand that our Congressional leaders, who talk a big game about border security, use their influence to urge the President to exercise his pardon power.
Let The Legal System Takes Its Course.That’s what some — particularly the Administration — are saying. But the appeal process in this country is very long!Consider the anguish the Compean and Ramos families will face while these brave men spend years in prison — possible with men they helped put away — waiting for the appeals process to run its course.Ramos has three sons, ages 6, 9, and 13.Compean also has three children, the youngest only a few months old. His wife is in a wheelchair.Ten lives ruined because somebody wants to globalize North America.Please think of these poor people. Pray if you are so inclined.But most importantly, DO SOMETHING TO REVERSE THIS GROSS MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE!Yours In Freedom,Jeff MazzellaPresidentwww.cfif.org
KSFG – Then you should be in pretty good shape. You have your friend as the Speaker of the House and Larry Powell is chairing the Ag budget committee and Larry’s friend Sharon Shwartz is chairing the Appropriations committee.
My point was that you should be in pretty good shape. So not sure what you are so upset about. I think they even got a new person to chair the other Ag committee.
So what is your beef?
OK, sts, sorry if I misinterpreted your comments.
Yep, Dan Johnson got bounced off the ag committee leadership team. (A little party payback for the danster? heheheh) Trust me, that is good news for ALL of Kansas.
Sharon Shwartz, however, is no fan of sane water policy. She is in big irrigation’s pocket. Big time.
She also voted against recreational water use EVERY TIME on the environment and natural resources select committee. She sided with the democrats who were, no pun intended, carrying governor leadership’s water regarding Hays and Cedar Bluff.
Sharon is on of those “some of my friends are for it and some of my friends are against it, but as for me, I’m for my friends” kind of legislators. She was the same way on the hate amendment. I think she votes however the last person she spoke with told her to vote.
And while we are on the subject, I wonder where your very own McGinn stands on water issues? She likes to pretend that she is green, but it is time to look at HER record on the environment as well.
McGinn’s in a very powerful position on the subject, but the last I heard, she was leaning governor leadership’s way. Leaning big ag’s way.
I wonder how that will play for the homies in Wichita in the next election, when big ag stops the flow of water to Wichita?
‘Cause the water crisis is definately moving east, like a horrible glacier.
Will the kansas legislators actually start dealing with the looming water crisis this year?
Or will they be like dinosaurs, waiting for better weather?
Stay tuned….
Oh, and btw, sts, I havent kept up much this year on committee assignments.
Who is chairing the budget subcommittee for the kansas water office? THAT is a key position. The only thing joe harkins, tracy streeter and david pope understand are BUDGET CUTS!!!!!!!!
Like they say, money talks and bullshit walks. I wonder who will be walking this year in the world of kansas water policy?
Hey Ben, here is comment from MIT in a technology review about China and it’s use of coal.
http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/17963
Money paragraphs:
“To keep pace with the country’s economic growth, ¬?China’s local governments, utilities, and entrepreneurs are building, on average, one coal-fired power plant per week.
(snip)
In November, the International Energy Agency projected that China will become the world’s largest source of carbon dioxide emissions in 2009, overtaking the United States nearly a decade earlier than previously anticipated. Coal is expected to be responsible for three-quarters of that carbon dioxide.
And the problem will get worse. Between now and 2020, China’s energy consumption will more than double, according to expert estimates.
(snip)
Since China has very little in the way of oil and gas reserves, its future depends on coal.”
And the lesson for Kansas?
(snip)
“Indeed, what may ultimately check China’s coal-to-oil ambitions is water. China’s Coal Research Institute estimates that Shenhua’s plant will consume 10 tons of water for every ton of synthetic oil produced (360 gallons of water per barrel of oil),…”
Ksgrrl–
I totally sympathize. But given the way big AgriBusiness has its hands around every level of the gov’t’s throat, nothing will change until the water is pumped dry.
Then the same farmers who pumped it dry will be bitching and moaning that the “gov’t didn’t do anything.”
A similar situation occured in the Atlantic NE. Gov’t scientists and regulators tried for years to slow down fishing on the cod beds so the resource could regenerate itself. The fisherman were having none of it. They successfully fought the regulations tooth and nail.
They won. And guess what? They overfished the cod until there’s virtually none to had.
And who do they blame? Why, the gov’t for not stopping them, of course.
Quote of the Day:
“Of course, non-Indians have no idea how important being Indian is to Indians. That’s a given. Other races couldn’t care less about their own race. Racial denigration is common, especially among liberal whites, who are out to destroy all racial distinction, as their Communist godfather Marx intended. But it won’t work with Indians.” ~ David Yeagley
Viva la Raza Blanco!!
Joke of the Day:
A tourist walked into a curio shop in San Francisco. Looking around at the exotica, he noticed a very lifelike, life-sized bronze statue of a rat. It had no price tag, but it was so striking he decided he must have it. He asked the owner, “How much for the bronze rat?”
“Twelve dollars for the rat. One hundred dollars for the story,” said the owner.
The tourist gave the man twelve dollars. “I’ll take the rat. You can keep the story.”
As he walked down the street carrying his bronze rat, he noticed that a few real rats had crawled out of the alleys and sewers and they were following him down the street. This was disconcerting. He began trotting. Within a couple of blocks, the herd of rats had grown to hundreds, and they were squealing. He ran toward the bay. He looked around and saw that the rats now numbered in the MILLIONS, they were squealing loudly, and they were coming toward him fast.
Scared, he ran to the edge of the bay and threw the bronze rat as far out into the bay as he could. Amazingly, the millions of rats all jumped into the bay after it, and they all drowned.
The man walked back to the curio shop. “Aha,” said the owner, “you have come back for the story?”
“No,” said the man. “I came back to see if you have a Bronze Jew.”
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Agreed cap’n.
Hello to you Mary, and thanks for the kind words. Good to see you too.
I’ve been a little, well, snowed under here…. heheheheheheheheh
A little insight here on the brewing fights over wind farms.
Peg’s got it pegged!
http://www.kansasprairie.net/blog1/blogindex.htm
Ian’s like clockwork this morning, projecting his racial insecurities on to everybody else.
When you’re really happy with who you are, you don’t have to hate everybody who you perceive as different from you.
This obsessive race hate is an emotional sickness. It’s a kind of hysteria.
If you refuse to seek treatment for your disease, that’s your choice.
But infecting the WEBLOG with your diseased rantings is not a choice you should be allowed.
I have visions of ksfarmgrrl wearing a big old white bandage over her nose. Not unlike the bandage that the character Jake Gittes (Jack Nicholson) ended up wearing in the movie Chinatown, after the LA water powers-that-be sent the man with a knife to show Jake what happens to “kitty cats” who get too curious about municipal water policy (they get their nose cut off; Jake got his nostril sliced through from the inside out).
Don’t let any strangers get near your nose, kfg!
And I’m pullin’ for you, we’re all in this together.
Wow, hey flike, good to see you. Long TIME no see, so welcome back.
Thanks for the support, and thanks for the visual. Hee hee hee hee.
I think they’ve already done everything to me they can do. Other than the nose thing of course.
What did Janis say? “Freedom’s just another word for, nothing left to lose.”
hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee
Tim Russert on ‘Meet The Press’ just talked with Joe Biden for an hour about Iraq and they never mentioned Israel.
Iraq was invaded to make Israel safer, and the Israelis not only acknowledge that, they are discussing that openly in their newspapers. Even Saddam said Palestine belongs to the Palestinians just before he was hanged.
So how is it possible to have a discussion in the United States about Iraq and not factor in Israeli security?
Israeli security could be enhanced by forcing them back across the green-line and forming a Palestinian State and start them getting along with their neighbors instead of constantly threatening them.
The road to a ‘victory’ in Iraq leads through Tel Aviv.
There is a Palestinian state already. It’s called Syria.
Hey Ed, ltns to you too.
Thanks kfg, and good to see you too!
I gotta get caught up on this water thing, I guess it’ll take a year without jet skis before we Kansans will wake up and see the true size of Big Ag’s footprint here.
I guess having crap produce (and crap food altogether, really) in Dillons and WalMart sure as hell ain’t going to do it.
“There is a Palestinian state already. It’s called Syria.”
As usual, a stupid remark from Fleetnutz. Tell us, oh great philosopher, why is there a need for a Jewish State, but no need for a Palestinian Homeland?
And don’t quote some Biblical nonsense about Jews being God’s chosen people.
And, by the way, Fleetnutz, I have not forgotten that you called me a traitor to my country – and I won’t foget it either. There will be a time to address the issue.
dang
ol’ DA is hittin’ the weed early today
Like I asked last night, Golf Nutz, is that really the best you can do?
Really?
You never add anything to any thread, you lurk around, stalk P Mom and toss out your lame insults.
What a loser.
BTW – I noticed that you missed church this morning – weren’t you supposed to be there to thank your god that you are so much better than everyone else?
WSC- Well said.
It seems with the new offensive, we’ve thrown our lot in with the Shiites, helping them to put down Sunni insurgents, while not going after al-muqutda shiite death squads. Expect a dramatic increase in attacks againts the troops.
All jokes aside, the growing water problem is a tough nut to crack.
Ending irrigation will mean ending cultivation in some places. Good for the environment, bad for the local economy. Loss of jobs, businesses, tax revenue, and population.
Most importantly, loss of people. Which will quickly lead to the total loss of the economy of western Kansas. Think buffalo commons.
I have mixed feelings as the water table drops. We cant sustain the current water usage, and big irrigation and big ag arent sustaining local economies either. So.. building or trying to grow the economy out by mining water (irrigation, ethanol, feedlots) is just another way to die.
And shutting down the only industry here is a sure way to die as well if we dont start looking for a different and workable economy. We cant make buggy whips anymore.
It’s just the end of an era and we are loath to face a future when we see no possibility. We can waste our time trying to postpone the inevitable, to hand off the problem to the next generation. But that isnt workable either.
I think we will be the generation that had the last clear shot of saving any water in western Kansas.
As for us westerners, like sharks, we better keep moving forward or we are going die with a whimper and not a bang. We have to figure out a way to go forward, and we have to figure that out in the face of knowing that not every farmer, school, business, or community will make it.
That doesnt leave much room for error. No wonder we are so angry when the decisions are made for political expediency, and not with an eye to setting precident and where we as a state want to go in the future.
‘Cause ya know, if you dont know where you are going, any road will take you there.
There is only one sure thing. We cant continue on the way we are and survive.
I stole this joke from Robert Pike, but it is too good not to share:
The new Secretary of Defense briefed the President this morning. He told Bush that three Brazilian soldiers were killed in Iraq. To everyone’s amazement, all the color drained from Bush’s face, then he collapsed onto his desk, head in hands, visibly shaken, almost in tears. Finally, he composed himself and asked, “Just exactly how many is a Brazilian”?
DA,I heard that joke back when RWR was president, and instead of Iraq, it was Grenada.
You libs are quick, lemme tell ya.
Nice try, Nutz. As usual your superiority attitude is just so much BS, like the rest of your “story.”
The joke wouldn’t work for Reagan – he wasn’t nearly as stupid as Bush. The joke has to be plausible to be effective.
Thanks for playing the game, however, now go back to your fantasy world.
KFG, I’m very concerned about the plight of western kansas, but we’ve been in drought for awhile now, so I don’t really believe that environmentally, the companies proposed will do that much MORE harm than is being done by mother nature. And yes, I am a laker- and I wanna cry everytime I drive over that dam. I am also concerned about the water supply. But Salinans aren’t helping the problem, did you see in the SalJournal all this summer how so many of the residents said their lawns were so much more important than drinking water?Farmers are at least providing food through that irrigation, now unless some city resident wants to start a garden that will provide for them the entire year, they need to shut the hell up and let their lawns go brown.
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Note–this finger will appear whenever the moderators refuse to pull IAN’s racist rants.
This one’s for Ian AND the idi-editors for letting it stand.
A tourist walked into a curio shop in San Francisco. Looking around at the exotica, he noticed a very lifelike, life-sized bronze statue of a rat. It had no price tag, but it was so striking he decided he must have it. He asked the owner, “How much for the bronze rat?”
“Twelve dollars for the rat. One hundred dollars for the story,” said the owner.
The tourist gave the man twelve dollars. “I’ll take the rat. You can keep the story.”
As he walked down the street carrying his bronze rat, he noticed that a few real rats had crawled out of the alleys and sewers and they were following him down the street. This was disconcerting. He began trotting. Within a couple of blocks, the herd of rats had grown to hundreds, and they were squealing. He ran toward the bay. He looked around and saw that the rats now numbered in the MILLIONS, they were squealing loudly, and they were coming toward him fast.
Scared, he ran to the edge of the bay and threw the bronze rat as far out into the bay as he could. Amazingly, the millions of rats all jumped into the bay after it, and they all drowned.
The man walked back to the curio shop. “Aha,” said the owner, “you have come back for the story?”
“No,” said the man. “I came back to see if you have a Bronze Philip Brownlee.”
Not so funny now, is it?
Western Kansas doesn’t seem to be in a drought now. Are lakes low because of an earlier drought, and/or lack of runoff from other regions?click on map to get regional data, then click on state to get state details.http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/monitor.html
Ksfarmgrrl: Please keep up the good work and your excellent informed comments. They are much appreciated.
As I look into Kansas water shortage, I am finding it is more desperate than I originally thought. Ethanol production in many areas of Kansas is a direct threat to Kansas citizens — both from excessive water usage and from the very dangerous air pollution that ethanol production and waste disposal causes.
http://ks.water.usgs.gov/Kansas/waterwatch/drought/
Finger,
I would’ve said “a bronze Ian Santiago,” but what the hey.
KFG,
Good to see you. Sorta glad to hear you’ve been reeeeaaaally busy, as long as that’s a GOOD sign.
Hey to you RD.
Political Mom, by USGS standards, and KSGS standards, Kansas rainfall, particularly around Kanopolis, has been ABOVE drought level for several years.
It was on the front page of the Salina Journal that Tracy Streeter keeps saying “drought” but the rainfall is higher than in previous years. Go to the Journals webpage and click on the Smoky Hills stories.
The water officials are all whining about the drought, but western Kansas is part of the great American desert, so low rainfall is expected. Key word, expected. Yes, we get less rain than eastern ks. Duh.
We are not in a drought by anyone’s official standards. It is just the folks in Topeka who want to blame the weather, not our over appropriated water rights.
The lakes are low because stream flows are low. Stream flows are low because of overappropriation of water rights to irrigators, water conservation farming practices, and because the over pumping of the aquifer also lowers stream flow. Triple whammy.
But like dinosaurs, our “leaders” just want to wait for better weather.
How did THAT work out for THEM?
Thanks JWink. It is WAY more serious than anyone wants to talk about.
So Mom, I clicked on your link.
See all those little green dots that mark the Smoky Hill River? All the green dots ABOVE Salina?
They are green because the rainfall there is NORMAL. There is even one black dot that says WET.
Proof that the Smoky Hill Basin is NOT in a drought even if it is on their “drought” Webpage. I am not blaming Salina, heheheh.
It is Hays and Russell and Russell’s ethanol plant that suck the water out of the Smoky BEFORE it reaches Kanopolis and Salina.
And did you all notice the brown dots that mark the Ark River basin?
Better fill yer canteens now…
farm, I disagree. At least where I live we have had MUCH Lower rainfall for about the last six years. The year my home put in a new lawn, we just couldn’t afford to keep watering it, and we ended up trying to get it established for years. We haven’t had the March/April storms either.
I agree, we don’t expect to have all that much rain in the west, especiall farther west than me, but I know it’s been bad in our area for rain.
I want you to note as well, in some areas on that map, you’ve got 90th percentage for rainfall, RIGHT NEXT to a dot that has 10th percentage for rainfall. A little bit of mileage seems to go a long way.
Look at what the farmers are yeilding, it isn’t good. So I don’t think it’s all about them sucking the lakes dry.
political_mom,Thank you for the link.
ksfarmgrrl,What you say makes sense… and USGS seems to contradict itself, i.e. “drought” versus “precip… greater”?
‘2000 – 2006 Flows at some USGS streamgages lower than 1930’s or 1950’s droughts”http://ks.water.usgs.gov/Kansas/waterwatch/drought/drought-comparison.rev.htm“Streamflow conditions in Kansas have been adversely affected by drought for the last six years….This has occurred despite precipitation between 2000-05 being greater than that in 1933-37 or 1952-57 in all cases.”
Here is a link to the original story in the Sal Journal.
Sorry Mom, I know you have anticdotes to support your position, but here are the facts. From YOUR newspaper.
http://www.saljournal.com/water/misused.html
Here is a link to the Salina Journal series of stories on the Kansas water crisis.
http://www.saljournal.com/water/water.html
Are you trying to say we’re NOT in a drought cycle? Or that it’s just not severe enough to be causing the trouble. Because my position is that it is a bunch of different factors, the drought being the main factor.
Money quote:
“But when state water officials say the lack of streamflow is due to drought, it implies the cause is both temporary and unusual.
Pressed for what he means when he says “drought,” Streeter acknowledges that by established measures, much of Kansas hasn’t seen much drought lately.
” If you look at the Palmer (drought index) or some of those, they don’t indicate we are in a horrible drought right now,” he said.”
The part I like? “When pressed”.
And that is from the gov’s go to guy on drought. From whom, I guess, we can only expect the truth “when pressed”.
heheheheheheheheheheheh
Once again, shouldnt our leaders in charge of water know something about earth science in addition to political science?
Mom, yes that is what I am saying. The experts agree that we are NOT in a drought in Kansas by scientific standards. It’s just politically expedient to blame it all on “the drought”.
There is no drought in Central Kansas and the portion of the Smoky below Cedar Bluff and above Kanopolis. Read MY links.
You have water problems sweetie, but not because of the drought.
We have expected levels of rainfall. Your problems are caused by over appropriations by david pope and bad policy by governor leadership’s water people.
It’s just politically expedient to blame “the drought” instead of looking at water policy and water usage by big ag and ethanol.
So now, could we get down to a REAL solution, not just a public relations campaign?
Ralph Nader is a liberal who claims that unions are essential to protect worker rights. But when an editor of one of his publications tried to form a union to ameliorate miserable working conditions, the editor was fired and the locks changed on the office door.
Historically, western Kansas has been a grass plain, not a wetlands. Enough water via rainfall to keep the grasses growing, but not much else. The plains were a comfortable passage for the buffalo herds. What it is not, and should never have been, is a water friendly home the wet crops. Certainly not corn, and certainly not the cooling vehicle for coal-fried plants.
I am amazed at the amount of material this states leaders have refused to acknowledge concerning the causes of water shortages. Talk about the head-in-the-sand mentality. A few more years and sand will be the only thing left TOO bury their heads in. It will take more than canteens to survive this blatant rendition of stupidity!
“But when an editor of one of his publications tried to form a union to ameliorate miserable working conditions, the editor was fired and the locks changed on the office door.”
You got a link to that Trollshizen?
Nice jab Cap’n.
Wal mart
I know that you are monitoring all communcations in my community preceeding your effort to build another of your stores at Oliver and Kellog in Wichita Kansas.
We do not want you.
I would rather die than work or shop at any of your stores. My children are taught much the same.
We do not want another of your stores here. We do not want or shop at the stores you have here now.
Go away!
Are my $4 prescriptions ready yet?My oil change and grocery shopping are done, and I need to go up front to my eye appointment, hairdresser and bank!
Censorship, sensorship, my best and only friend!! Oy Gevalt!! lmrfsaoa
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Tips From Ghosts of Presidents Past
One night, George W. Bush is awakened by George Washington’s ghost in the White House. Bush asks: “George, what is the best thing I could do to help the country?”
“Set an honest and honorable example, just as I did,” Washington advises.
The next night, the ghost of Thomas Jefferson moves through the dark bedroom. “Tom,” W asks, “what is the best thing I could do to help the country?”
“Cut taxes and reduce the size of government,” Jefferson advises.
Bush isn’t sleeping well the next night, and sees another figure moving in the shadows. It’s Abraham Lincoln’s ghost. “Abe, what is the best thing I could do to help the country?” Bush asks. Abe answers:”Go see a play.”
[snicker]
Good one.
Scarborough ROCKS!http://mediamatters.org/items/200701050011
Scarborough blasts O’Reilly for being GOP “suck-up”
On the January 4 edition of MSNBC’s Scarborough Country, host Joe Scarborough responded to Fox News host Bill O’Reilly’s attacks on NBC and MSNBC by asserting that O’Reilly was “way off base on MSNBC, on NBC, and certainly on me. And I challenge you to debate me anytime, anyplace, anywhere.” Scarborough further challenged O’Reilly to “find one thing I have said on this program over the past year that is not consistent with the conservative congressman who was against military adventurism when I was in Congress, that was against exploding deficits, that was against reckless spending, and was against turning Congress into the type of swamp that we Republicans have turned it into over the past six years.” Concluding, Scarborough stated, “That doesn’t make me liberal, that makes me conservative. That may make you, though, a suck-up, if you defend the Republicans that have done that to this country and to our party over the past six years.”continued….
Morning Balls.Nothing interesting here this morning, so I thought we could start an argument about Papa Bear.Dems here may hate him more than you?
I dunno, Tracy. I’ve done my part to ensure that the libs in here really hate me.
But I’m not above admitting when someone has outdone me.
Although…I have an 8:30 meeting, so Papa will have to wait an hour or so.
Tracy BWahaha- O’Reilly only mentioned MSNBC surely because of Olbermann’s rants on O’Reilly- which come almost daily. *YES I DO LOVE IT*.
But Scarlboro has made some dumb ass statements in his time on the tv too, he’s not AS much of a partisan, but he still is very much cut from the same cloth.
Mom, I prefer scarborough’s BS anytime.Making numbnuts statements is nothing compared to BillO.
O’Reilly falsely claimed Bush didn’t oppose 9-11 Commission. O’Reilly defended President George W. Bush from a Kerry-Edwards ‘04 TV ad highlighting Bush’s opposition to creation of the 9-11 Commission by denying that Bush had ever opposed the commission. In fact, Bush did oppose the creation of the 9-11 Commission. (10/21/04)
O’Reilly falsely claimed Iraq had ricin. O’Reilly responded to a caller to his radio show by defending the Iraq war: “They did have ricin up there in the north — so why are you discounting that so much?” In fact, the Duelfer report (the final report of the Iraqi Survey Group, led by Charles A. Duelfer, which conducted the search for weapons in Iraq following the U.S.-led invasion) indicates that Iraq did not have ricin. (10/19/04)
O’Reilly repeated discredited claims on Iraq-Al Qaeda link. O’Reilly interrupted a former Clinton administration official who tried to correct the record on O’Reilly’s claim that terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi constitutes a direct link between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. He also allowed a conservative guest to repeat without challenge other discredited claims about Iraq’s supposed involvement in terrorism — claims O’Reilly has himself cited in the past. (9/27/04)
O’Reilly fabricated “Paris Business Review” as source for success of French boycott. O’Reilly falsely claimed “they’ve lost billions of dollars in France according to ‘The Paris Business Review’” due to an American boycott he advocated of French imports. Media Matters for America found no evidence of a publication named “The Paris Business Review.” (4/27/04)
O’Reilly cited phony stats to argue that taxes on rich are excessive. O’Reilly tried to “blow off” the argument that wealthy Americans ought to pay more taxes by citing phony statistics about the tax burden the rich currently bear. (6/30/04)
O’Reilly confused on elementary economics. O’Reilly told a caller on his radio show, “We [the United States] have a trade deficit with everybody, because everybody wants our stuff, and we’re not wild about snails” — indicating that he doesn’t know the definition of “trade deficit” and implying that the United States runs a trade surplus with France. In fact, in the first four months of 2004, the United States had a $3 billion trade deficit with France. (6/10/04)
O’Reilly doctored quotation to suggest Soros wished his own father dead. During his smear campaign against progressive financier, philanthropist, and political activist George Soros, O’Reilly doctored a 1995 quotation by Soros to make it seem as if Soros wished his own father dead. (6/1/04)
O’Reilly questioned if Kennedy would show up to Democratic convention … as Kennedy spoke behind him. O’Reilly teased an upcoming segment of The O’Reilly Factor, broadcast live from the Democratic National Convention, by saying of convention speaker Senator Edward Kennedy: “When we come back, we’ll let you listen to Ted Kennedy for a while, if he shows up.” In fact, Kennedy had already shown up and had been speaking for several minutes, as O’Reilly need only have turned around to see. (7/27/04)
O’Reilly disparaged Democrats with trifecta of voter falsehoods. In a discussion about what went wrong for Democrats in the November 2 election, O’Reilly claimed that Democrats “lost votes from four years ago”; that “18- to 24[-year-old]s didn’t go” to the polls; and that “[c]ommitted Republicans didn’t carry the day for the president; independents did.” All three claims are false. (11/4/04)O’Reilly on the radio: Three lies, one broadcast. Lie No. 1: Bush tax cuts didn’t create the budget deficit. Lie No. 2: “Socialistic” French, Germans, and Canadian governments tax at 80 percent. Lie No. 3: Canadian, British, and French media are “government-controlled,” but Italian media is free.
“Former Sen. John Edwards [recently spent] an hour at the Manchester [New Hampshire] Barnes & Noble… promoting his new book. We find his choice of venue very interesting. In Manchester, the local Wal-Mart store sits right behind the Barnes & Noble. It has more floor space, a parking lot several times the size of Barnes & Noble’s, and is easier to access by car or public transportation. But Edwards would not be caught dead inside a Wal-Mart. Saying that the company pays its employees too little, Edwards has embarked on an anti-Wal-Mart crusade. He instructs his staff members and all Americans not to shop at Wal-Mart… So naturally Edwards is holding his book signing at Barnes & Noble instead of Wal-Mart. Which is too bad for his anti-low-wages campaign, because in Manchester Wal-Mart pays hourly employees more than Barnes & Noble does. The Barnes & Noble where Edwards will hawk his book pays $7 an hour to start. The Wal-Mart that sits just yards away pays $7.50 an hour. Oh, the humanity!… Edwards [brought] business to a retailer that pays wages he thinks are so immorally low that they should be illegal. Meanwhile, right behind him, thousands of Granite Staters [support] a business that pays an Edwards-approved starting wage, but which Edwards wants everyone to boycott. Asked back in January what he thought would be an appropriate minimum wage, Edwards told The New York Times, ‘My view is it should be $7.50 an hour, and I can make a great argument for it being a lot higher than that.’ Seven-fifty an hour? Why, that’s what Wal-Mart pays! And without a federal mandate, too. Unfortunately, people who want to support a company that pays at least $7.50 an hour cannot go to Wal-Mart to buy Edwards’ book and then take it over to Barnes & Noble for him to sign it. Wal-Mart doesn’t carry it. Wonder why.” —New Hampshire Union Leader
O’Reilly is an idiot.
Damnit woody.Now I gotta’ find sumpin’ else to argue about.
They be plenty more things.
Operation Rescue’s shindig next week?
HAY isn’t today the day MORRISON takes over AG? And Phill is GONEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Nanana nanana hey hey hey GOOD BYE!
Potato eating wall-mart hag: (test)
Why The Public Believes Bush’s Lies”When interviewed by Tim Russert, Vice President Cheney asserted that Iraq was “the heart of the base” for the 9/11 terrorists and went on from there with a series of half-truths and outright deceptions about almost every topic broached, including his supposed lack of current “financial interest in Halliburton .” Mr. Cheney, a master of the above-reproach dead pan, just kept going, effortlessly mowing right through any objections by the host. The vice president was banking, as Dr. Dean did on “This Week,” on a cultural environment in which fiction and nonfiction have become so scrambled and can be so easily manipulated by politicians and show-biz impresarios alike that credibility itself has become a devalued, if not archaic, news value. This is why the big national mystery of the moment why do almost 70 percent of Americans believe in Mr. Cheney’s fictional insinuation that Saddam Hussein had some hand in 9/11? is not so hard to crack. As low as the administration’s credibility may be, it is still trusted more than the media trying to correct the fictions the White House plants in the national consciousness.”-Frank Rich
Canned chili eating dollar general King.(test)
mmmm…chili.
(test)
I’ve done my part to ensure that the libs in here really hate me.
no we love you David hope you had a wonderful holiday season.
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New Holidays for a New Year!Mark your calendar with a multitude of new holidays to celebrate.Here’’s just a few of my favorites…
Seasonal Affective Disorder Day: January 2With Christmas and New Years a thing of the past, now it’s time to celebrate the long, cold, gray winter months that loom ahead.
The Day the Music Died Day: February 3Write a sappy song about an important cultural tragedy that will annoy bar patrons for generations.
National Jingoism & Violence Day: February 4Collect a group of two dozen or so well-trained men assigned to represent your city or region. Face off against another such group of well-trained men.Beat the living sh*t out of each other.(aka Superbowl Sunday)
Reverse Cowgirl Day: March 3Honoring a woman’’s right to choose positions.(formerly Women’’s Suffrage Day)
Hale-Bopp Day: March 22Remember 1997? Best year EVER? Well, things won’t be that good until 4380, so your cult will have to wait for it’s next mass suicide.
International 4-20 Day: April 20DUDE!
Mission Accomplished Day: May 1Celebrate the United States’ quick and clean victory in Iraq.
Jim Belushi Day: June 15Hire your brother to do something he’’s not qualified to do.(aka National Nepotism Day)
Mike Tyson Day: June 30Threaten to eat someone’s children while feasting on delicious elephant ear pastries.
Los Alamos Day: July 16Celebrate the first ever nuclear explosion near Alamogordo in 1945 by blowing some shit up.(aka Trinity Day, Oppenheimer Day, I Am Become Death Day)
Self-Love Day: July 26Enjoy the company of the person you love best in the recesses of your favorite public place.May we suggest Barnes & Noble? (aka Paul Reubens Day, Pee Wee’’s Play Day)
Adult Swim Day: September 2Skip work, get high and watch Space Ghost until you pass out.
Seat Belt Remembrance Day: September 30What better way to celebrate the life (and, more specifically, death) of legendary actore and motor enthusiast James Dean, than with a holiday remembering seat belts?
Ted Haggard’s Gay Republican Day: November 1Purchase recreational drugs from your favorite same-sex prostitute, but don”t pay for intercourse. THAT would be hypocritical.
Mutilated Nipple Day: November 4Legend has it that this holiday originated way back in 2004 when actress Tara Reid bravely unleashed her mangled areola upon a pack of ravenous paparazzi and saved the world from something or other.
The Clinton/Lewinsky Blowjob Joke Appreciation Day: November 15On this day, stand-up comedians and late-night talk show hosts around the nation celebrate the greatest gift that was ever given unto them.
Autoerotic Asphyxiation Day: November 22Things to do today: fashion yourself a festive Asphyxophilia Noose, masturbate, listen to INXS’’s Kick twenty-two times on repeat.(aka Michael Hutchence Memorial Day)
Britney Beaver Day: November 27Today, innocent girls all around the world flash their junk.
National Cruise Day: November 29Fun activities: Plan a cruise with two of your favorite loved ones, get drunk, go for a swim when no one is looking.(aka What Really Happened to Natalie Wood Day)
Fingering the Starfruit Day: December 2On this day in 1978, 150 pedophilic freedom fighters attended the first meeting of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (or NAMBLA).
Entropy Day: December 30Holy shit day!Did another f**king year come and go already?
Please add your own favorite new holiday!
I think that the Bushster’s new idea of a surge is great, and to insure it’s success, he should lead from the front!!
Ah, George, umm , ah George, Oh George??He was here a minute ago!!!
Where did he go? It’s not like he has anything else to do!!
Hmmmmmmmmmm…
Hi Tracy–
Your posts are as funny as ever. ROFLMAO.
I especially like the dollar general king one.
hee hee hee hee hee hee
And Walker, GREAT post.
hee hee gster
Maybe his daughters could fill in for their AWOL dad since he apparantly has NO intention of EVER serving the rest of his military duty?
Bob Dole’s idea of a surge would be far safer for the country.
Ya Tracy, and just as unlikely to ever happen.
heheheheheheheh
KFG- Good point!!
Dare I ask if you’re dug out?
I suppose So-Cones are off the Conyer Cafe menu?
Best wishes in getting back on track.
G
Thanks G.
I am indeed dug out and back home WITH electricity.
Collyer was without power for almost a week and finally the National Guard arrived and put generators on the water wells and sewer plant until the power came back on.
I just got back home to the farm on Saturday. I was stranded here for two days with no heat or water because the roads were so bad I couldnt get out. Finally some pals came out to rescue me!
I had three refrig and three deep freezes at the cafe to empty when the power went out. Had to find people WITH power to keep the frozen stuff safe, so now I have inventory all over the place! Not to mention what all had to be thrown out, cleaned up, restocked, etc.
And that doesnt even COUNT the mess I had at the farm when I got back from staying with friends who still had electricity.
No generators to be found for a hundred miles, and I am not sure I am handy enough to make one work or to haul fuel under adverse conditions.
Life on the prairie. Life as an entreperneur. Life as a farmer.
Mi vida loca
I am sure at SOME point all this will be funny…..
A farm girl that doesn’t know how to operate a generator?
Yes JM. I am the most mechanically disinclined person you will ever meet. Engines mystify me and then piss me off. Not pretty. I farm pretty simply.
Of course, you may not have considered this, but I also have a little difficulty imagining myself hauling ten gallon cans of fuel across ice in a blizzard every 4-6 hours to keep the damn thing running.
Better to rely on friends, and they rely on me sometimes too.
It’s called community. Ya oughta look it up sometime….
KFG- Keep on keepin’ on!.
Think mosquitoes!!
Think Phil Kline got snowed in froze his popcycle off!!
Phew!Think I’ll stop with that image .
hee hee G.
Why do I think your are composing another verse of the “MTGLB” blues?
And phillllll would have to HAVE a popcyle to freeze it off.
I think Nola already cut his ‘cycle off quite nicely….
KFG- These days, it seems they write themselves!
Cut this “Phill Klline and the Phrozen ‘Sicle” stuff out.
It is giving me way tooo many mental images that are VERY frightening.
After this, I may have to get an “unlisted name” to protect myself!
“Phill and the Phrozen Sicle”.
Hmmmmmm…. New rap group??
Hip/Hop?
Big/Flop??
“In Manchester, the local Wal-Mart store sits right behind the Barnes & Noble.”
Perhaps the New Hampshire Union Leader (a newspaper, I presume) should check out how many Wal-Marts across the country allow book signings. They should question whether that particular one does. Most don’t. Why? Books aren’t their business, and they don’t have the people in place to do what’s necessary to have book signings.
What you guys know about the publishing business could fit on the head of a pin.