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‘Progress’ triumphs in Kansas
“The chief editorial honcho at the Kansas City Star had been in the mood to gloat. Along with her colleagues at the Star and her corporate kin at the Wichita Eagle, she had helped Republican turned Democrat Paul Morrison upset conservative Phil Kline in Kline’s bid to be re-elected Kansas attorney general. Yippee!”
See the whole article online:http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53624
It’s PhilL Kline.
Somebody needs to pay attention to their spelling, especially the spelling of names.
A good editor (or copyeditor) would do that.
Meadowlark, I was just over at the Salina blog; no wonder you spend so much time here at WE. I checked YOUR blogs. You’re kind of a one issue type, huh?SJ Blog is a graveyard.
I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one:’O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.’And God granted it…..Voltaire (1694 – 1778)
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/editorial/16376838.htm
Well said, Brent Castillo.
The Dems are going to accept the Repub’s bill of rights. Absolutely brilliant. Repub’s – watch out in ‘08, the Dems are playin it SMART !!!!
If they can just keep Edward’s foot out of his mouth….
A good article outlander.
Ask any physician outside of Abortionists if a fetus in the 24 week plus range can live outside the womb and they will say yes.
And I recall the conflict in Kansas Law, that a fetus that is killed in a mother’s womb by an outside force, such as in the case of homicide ormurder, the fetus suddenly becomes a human being.
But, the moment a pregnant female crosses the threshhold of an abortion clinic it becomes a “thing.”
I don’t know about the Democrats accepting the Republicans “Bill of Rights”, but Hastert didn’t accept the Democrats.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A680-2004Jun23.html
Liberal, conservative, demorat, repuke; it’s all just kabuki theater for the sheeple. Sadly, most of you are more conditioned to this dreck than Pavlov’s dog!
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!
JM what part of CHOICE do you not understand? HER body, HER choice.
But I will actually agree with Testicles on this one, can’t we just keep the abortion threads on the abortion topics?
PMOM,
The time for a women to exercise control over her body is BEFORE she spreads her legs! Yikes, I forgot to whom I was speaking, never mind. :)
Viva la Raza Blanco!!
You people.OK to kill babies. Boo Hoo for Saddam.
Political Mom,
What part of the Abortion Debate do you not understand?
Pro-Life which is what I am considers a fetus a human being, regardless of the age in the woman.
And yes, before you go off on me again, I believe in abortions in certain cases (life of the mother, fetus not living or beyond human intervention to make if surviable as a human.)
Again: the need for a perpetual Abortion Thread.
I thought this blog WAS a perpetual abortion thread. Just keeps getting cluttered with nonsense from time to time.
Fair enough.
From this day forward, all “open thread” threads shall be restricted to abortion debate only.
Amen.
delores,
Your link is to an article published in June of 2004. “Things” have changed recently.
No way, Balls.Abortion debaters go here:
http://www.holylamb.com/abortion/
or some place similar.
Kind of proves my point. I admit that I got the information from Fox and most of you don’t agree with them. BUT, if the dems are willing to do what the repubs wouldn’t and give the repubs a fair voice, then it is true brilliance. Talk about garnering the swing vote.
Repubs WATCH out in ‘08. Unless they put Hillary up.
TRACY,Abortion is one of the most polarizing topics here. You think that WE wouldn’t jump on that? Every time Kline is mentioned, no less than 1500 words are written on the thread about abortion. They get to be the most commented on threads.
Fun stuff, that debating.
Tracy,I’m with you on this. But…I am a man of reason and am willing to “let the people decide.”
Like they’re going to listen to me anyway. =)
In fact, my “declaration” was more of a psychological ploy…
Sol,I agree. But…the thing is…
It’s never anything new. It’s just the same people regurgitating the same tired arguments.
Great video I came across.
http://ksdpfocus.blogspot.com/2007/01/this-video-speaks-for-itself.html
Yup. There are ‘permalinks’ down the right side of the page. Should be relegated to one of those. Agreed.
I can do that, as I am King Of The Kansas Farmers. Strange how a software developer in Michigan can get that title huh?
Well, I havent seen any blood in the streets yet. Anyone get killed yet by those crazies Packing Heat?
Heck-I saw a line down at Hatman Jack’s getting White Stetsons.
Any connection?
Hmmm??
gster
If there is then they were all the urban cowboy types. The real ones already have hats, and white really isnt the “In” color on the prairie these days.
With the crows we have, that problem will readily solve itself.
TeeHeee. (insert stupid little dancing bannana dude here)
I think this is the 5th one in the last 30-60 days to close shop. Could turn into an S&L flashback from the eighties.
Subprime Lender Implosion: Bad Omen For Housing MarketLenders Collapsing Faster than Cheaply Built Houses
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/01/mln_subprime.htmlBy Martin H. BosworthConsumerAffairs.Com
January 3, 2007Subprime lenders have been both blessing and bane in the housing industry for many years, enabling lenders to rake in huge profits while saddling consumers with exorbitant loan terms and high interest rates.
Now, as the housing market slows to a crawl, many subprime lenders are collapsing faster than homes made of substandard materials, and the signs point to even more pain in the housing market as a result.
Mortgage Lenders Network USA (MLN) announced it was shutting its doors today, as a result of market economics the lender said were “not good … it deals with the performance of loans, and to a lesser extent the value of homes.”
The company’s abrupt shutdown left many brokers scrambling to find new financing for their clients’ home purchases.
The Connecticut-based lender grew from 7 employees in 1997 to 1,800 ten years later, fueled by sharply-cut interest rates which enabled mortgage lenders and brokers to push home loans to clients who might not otherwise have been able to purchase.
125% lonas etc will be a very interesting bubble-popper to watch in a number of those over-heated markets.
‘2007 ‘may be warmest on record’ ‘http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6321265,00.html“Climate change experts said the global temperature is expected to be 0.54C above the long-term average of 14C.
There is a 60% probability that 2007 will be as warm or warmer than the current warmest year, they said.
That was 1998, when temperatures were 0.52C above the long-term average.”
They talk about a soft landing for realestate, but I don’t know…Houses on both coasts have skyrocketed over the last few years at an un-sustainable rate. I think there’s going to be a lot of pain before it’s all said and done. I don’t see it hitting this area as bad since we didn’t see anywhere near the run up in realestate that the coasts did.
I’d sure hate to be trying to sell a house in the next year or so.
XXX,I am in the housing market (I am looking to purchase). I am in Michigan and this is a HUGE buyer’s market as our economy SUCKS. People are leaving the state or can’t afford their mortgage anymore.
What are the pitfalls and what pain are you referring to? Is this more in line with a lot of new houses/sub-divisions being built?
“There is a 60% probability that 2007 will be as warm or warmer than the current warmest year, they said.”
Talking about hedging your bets.
That’s no better than saying there’s a 50/50 chance some ‘thing’ will be the same or different by tomorrow.
What a non-statement.
6 months ago…
Scientists were predicting the worse Atlantic hurricane season in the history of the …
How did that turn out?
Meadowlark mentions worldnetdaily like it’s a news source. That’s the same news source that tells people that eating soy will turn you gay, Saddam has WMD, Americans found those WMD, John Kerry had an affair with an intern who fled to Africa, published photoshopped pictures to make John Kerry appear with Jane Fonda, and many other lies.
C’mon, fundies, you can present a better case for yourselves than this can’t you?
“6 months ago…
Scientists were predicting the worse Atlantic hurricane season in the history of the …”
I don’t recall that prediction. I DO recall that they predicted an above-average GLOBAL season which we DID have.
Monica – 180 mph winds – April 2006.
2049 people dead in the Philippines. Six major typhoons (hurricanes)
Ioke – longest duration intense tropical cyclone in history. That one storm expended more energy than the entire Atlantic tropical cyclone season.
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=607&tstamp=200701
http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/outlooks/hurricane.shtml
Any news on our meet-up fun fest?
SolDevVB,google “subprime” in the news heading on your toolbar.
Bankers Report More Mortgages Being Paid Late or Not at AllRISMEDIA, Jan. 4, 2007-The number of people paying their mortgages late – or not paying them at all – picked up in recent months, a trend that is expected to continue well into next year.
The rise was sharpest among borrowers with troubled credit histories, and in particular, subprime borrowers who took out mortgages with interest rates that increase over the life of the loan.
The Mortgage Bankers Association [recently] said that a survey of more than 42 million mortgages found the rate of delinquencies rose to 4.7 percent from July through September, up from 4.4 percent in the second quarter, when the numbers were adjusted for seasonable variations.
StillJM,
The prediction is not “tomorrow” vs “today” — it’s 2007 vs 1998.
Your “today” (2006) will not be recorded as the hottest year (1998).
60% does not = “50/50″.
Note that they predicted above-average (75% chance), not record as you falsely claimed. In fact, it turned out about average with 10 named storms, 5 hurricanes. ACE index 79.
Global season was way above average.
.morg,Can I talk to you off line? My email is live.
Just admit it, the forecasters called for mucho storms hitting American coasts. Didn’t happen. Now we should believe them about other forecasting?EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, 2005 beat out 1998 for warmest:
http://www.wunderground.com/education/2005warmest.asp
A study released by NASA confirmed that 2005 was the warmest year on record, narrowly beating out 1998. That year a strong El Niño–a warm water event in the eastern Pacific Ocean–added significant warmth to global temperatures.
The five warmest years over the last century have occurred in the last eight years. Reliable instrument records of global temperatures extend back to about 1880, but the consenus scientific view is that the current level of warmth has been unmatched for at least the past 125,000 years.
And it’s the global season that’s significant.
Re Atlantic,http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2006/s2748.htm“NOAA scientists announced that seasonal activity was lower than expected due to the rapid development of El Niño—a periodic warming of the ocean waters in the central and eastern equatorial Pacific, which influences pressure and wind patterns across the tropical Atlantic.”
fleet,
It’s two different groups — hurricane, and climate change.And you STILL do NOT understand the difference between weather, and long-term climate?
SolDevVB,ck your e mail subject line we blog
cosmos-You people just look for things to go to shit. That’s your nature.
no fleet, we just look at reality.
Our polar ice caps are melting. Agreed.
The polar ice caps on Mars are melting, too. Why is that?
It seems every single one of my posts have been pulled. What Jew is the editor on this blog? I’d like to spit in his face. Leave it to the Jews to censor the truth. and they called us “fascists.”
Sol, the housing market will fall further. The pitfall is, you buy a $100,000 house now that’ll be worth $85,000 this time next year if the market does what I think it will.
The ice caps are melting because the idiot Bush makes it so. Everyone knows that. For an idiot, Bush makes a lot happen.
Xxx,OK, Thx. I think I am cool then. The housing market is in a huge slump in MI. Housing values are WAY down as are interest rates. That is why I am in such a hurry to buy. If the market continues to dip, I think I will be OK; I am looking to stay for 7-10 years. I am just hoping the MI economy will pull back up. We are the 49th worst economy in the states right now. YIPEEEE !!!!
KSGolfnut,
It’s all those Martian SUV’s expelling carbons that is causing the polar ice caps to melt.
Cosmos,
Nice mincing on the words I wrote. I could have easily put :
That’s no better than saying there’s a 50/50 chance some ‘thing’ will be the same or different by next century.
It’s still a non-statement, it is meaningless as was that prediction from 1998.
Maybe your Global Warming experts will go out in the snow and help feed cattle in Eastern Colorado and Western Kansas.
golfnut,
Mar’s ice doesn’t really melt, it sublimes directly from a solid to a gas.
There’s been a small increase in solar forcing, that might impact Mars — but here on Earth, human-added GHG’s cause a much larger forcing. (graph of human and natural forcings)http://www.ipcc.ch/present/graphics/2001syr/large/06.01.jpg
StillJm,
A warmer climate can hold more water vapor, and have more extreme weather events (including snow).
This story was on the last page of the A-section in the Eagle:
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/nation/16380385.htm
It should have been more newsworthy than that.
A copy of Bush’s signing statement:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/12/20061220-6.html
Yeah, SD, I saw that this morning; guess a signing statement can repeal the fourth amendment.
From Froomkin:
“And sadly, most of the questions about signing statements that I raised in a Nieman Watchdog essay last June still remain unaddressed. Foremost among them: Are these signing statements just a bunch of ideological bluster from overenthusiastic White House lawyers — or are they actually emboldening administration officials to flout the laws passed by Congress? If the latter, Bush’s unprecedented use of these statements constitutes a genuine Constitutional crisis.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html
Has one of Bush’s signing statements ever come to pass or is he just talking to himself?
DAVIS, thank you for posting that. I want him impeached so bad.
He cares not one bit about the American people’s security, he’s power hungry nut.
Fleetwood, that actually is not a bad question.
I am not aware of his signing statements having any meaning in terms of how laws are enforced, etc.
Even if they are only symbolic, they are troubling that he thinks it necessary to tell himself/others that laws scripted by duly elected officials have no meaning in regard to what he wants to do.
In other words, I personally think that his signing statements amount to a constitutional crisis whether he acts on his delusions or not.
StillJm,
Actually, they’re saying there’s a 6 out of 10 chance that an unusual, record event will occur again, or that record will even be exceeded.
If you think that’s a “non-statement”, well, whatever.
Doesn’t sound like a crisis at all. Saying, as you do, that they have no meaning, but never doing anything about it means nothing. If he doesn’t act on his “delusions” then it means nothing. Crisis? Just like you people. EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!!
‘The Problem with Presidential Signing Statements: Their Use and Misuse by the Bush Administration’http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20060113.html
Cosmos,I’m fully aware that ice doesn’t really “melt” on Mars. Much like ice doesn’t melt in your freezer, yet ice cubes get smaller over time. I didn’t want to have to go into such an explanation on this blog. And whether or not the ice melts or sumlimes is not the point.
Simply put: the sun is getting hotter.
Perhaps you’ll explain how Bush and other republicans have caused that.
golfnuts,”the sun is getting hotter”
Only by a very SMALL amount — and that creates an additional reason to reduce the much larger forcing from human-added GHG’s (which you IGNORE).
Study the graph, compare impact of human GHG’s to solar.http://www.ipcc.ch/present/graphics/2001syr/large/06.01.jpg
Fleettwood, you raise a good question in the 3:15 pm post. My thought on the question is that to the extent the signing statement is or could be construed as a directive to the Executive Branch to take action in accordance with the position outlined in the signing statement, if contrary to the law enacted, it does present a potential crisis. If instead of merely “talking to himself”, there has been action taken IAW therewith contrary to the language of the law itself, then I would think this creates the crisis, and the real possibility of prosecution of the administration employee and potential impeachment.
Fleet, just scanned the link Cosmos posted at 3:36 to John Dean’s piece; he raises some interesting issues there, including the thought that the signing statements represent a form of line item veto. I’ve not read in full, by any means, but would direct your attention thereto for a read.
Phill Kline was a Attorney General that had one thing in mind, Abortion. The reason he lost is because Kansans realized that this was his platform and nothing else, which is, quite different than being the head of law enforcement as stated the duties as Attorney General.
“Crisis? Just like you people. EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!!”
Why do you hate the constitution? It is a document that spells out how all people are equal (even a delusional president) under the law.
Equality and civil rights are those type of things conservatives hate. Fleet, you are demonstrating what you are all about by defending Bush’s obscene and constitutionally pohibited power grab.
*Shaking my head*
Fleet, please give away your 4th ammendment right. I’ll keep mine, thanks.
I’ve got a question for you:
Why is it that when black people wear shirts with slogans that read “Black Pride” and “Black Power” that isn’t considered racist by the media, but when white people wear shirts with slogans that read “White Pride” and White Power” it’s immediately condemned by the media as being racist, intolerant, and ignorant and every crack-pot psychiatrist tells such people they have a problem????
Just read the link provided by cosmos on the signing statements. Actually, I am wondering if the signing statements don’t provide a paper trail to impeach Bush should it be found that his resistance to law actually resulted in his staff violating the law.
Dean says the signing statements attempt to act as a line item veto, which was found to be unconstitutional.
Rather than being an example of Bush’s disdain for other governmental bodies, the arrogant jerk may have painted himself into a corner.
Keep making those signing statements George.
Does ANYONE like the new comic “The Meaning of Lila” that we have had crammed down our throats to replace “Foxtrot”? It’s nothing but a better-drawn yet still amazingly unfunny “Cathy”.
People that disgrace this country, thru their incompetence, negligence, or their almighty greed for a paycheck, should suffer the consequences, of less than a dignified retirement. They should be required, to work at Walmart.
Why, should they placed in a position, with a title, that allows them to perpetuate their incompetence and command a big$$$salary, at the same time.
Such as the deposed Director of the National Security Agency.
All this MOFO knew, was that he had a nametag on his door. And he got a BIG PAYCHECK.
4th amendment, signing law, impeachment…
Someone is living in alternate realities…
Aussies gone wild…
(illegal to link to another page)
http://elequity.com/?p=303
A lovely song. And part of the sentiment I want to share as I take my leave here.
“A time to be reapingA time to be sowingThe green leaves of summerAre calling me homeIt was good to be young, thenIn the season of plentyWhen the catfish were jumpingAs high as the skyA time just for plantingA time just for ploughingA time to be courting a girl of your ownTwas so good to be young, thenTo be close to the earthAnd to stand by your wifeAt the moment of birthTwas so good to be young, thenTo be close to the earthNow the green leaves of summerAre calling me homeTwas so good to be young, thenTo be close, close to the earthNow the green leaves of summerAre calling me home
“Republic. I like the sound of the word. It means people can live free, talk free, go or come, buy or sell, be drunk or sober, however they choose. Some words give you a feeling. Republic is one of those words that makes me tight in the throat – the same tightness a man gets when his baby takes his first step or his first baby shaves and makes his first sound as a man. Some words can give you a feeling that makes your heart warm. Republic is one of those words.”
and one more…..
I really wish I could have shared links before or now.
Here is what my time here has been for me.
“It was like I was empty. Well, I’m not empty anymore. That’s what’s important, to feel useful in this old world, to hit a lick against what’s wrong for what’s right even though you get walloped for saying that word. Now I may sound like a Bible beater yelling up a revival at a river crossing camp meeting, but that don’t change the truth none. There’s right and there’s wrong. You got to do one or the other. You do the one and you’re living. You do the other and you may be walking around, but you’re dead as a beaver hat.”
My internet access expires soon. I didn’t want to just disappear in the middle of a fight so I am bowing out now.
I have enjoyed my time here and I hope I have got a lick in for the good.
I am younger than most of you. I hope you will be mindful of what some have seen as my pessimism. It is real and learned. Take that to heart and consider it. This nations future depends on it.
I have the support of my family and a small reserve to try and find a way. We will see. Maybe I’ll be back again someday.
J R has left the blog
We’ll miss you, JR. I hope someday you’ll come back, you’ve been here from the beginning and you’ve contributed a lot to this blog.You’ve found the negativity in life…now I hope you will look for the joy.