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Michigan follows Kansas’ lead in ignoring child-rape cases
We’re not in Kansas anymore: the district attorney, and even the state attorney general’s office, … a complete lack of response.
MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH’Child-rape cases being ignored’Michigan sidewalk counselor says authorities won’t respond to assault concerns
WorldNetDaily Exclusive:http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53995
The Kansas press doesn’t seem able to figure out that a 10 year old girl in Kansas was raped before she had her 28-week-old unborn child aborted.http://www.saljournal.com/blogs/?p=1706
State law only allows abortions through week 22. Apparently, Kansas Courts and the Kansas Press isn’t very good with math since they haven’t figured out that 28 > 22.
A $280 million nationwide industry is far more important than protecting young girls from child predators, or protecting viable unborn children.
As O’Reilly opined: This is The Shame of America.http://www.kansasmeadowlark.com/2006/ShameOfKansas/index.htm
Has anyone in Wichita figured out how this doesn’t make any sense?
Sedgwick County DA refers abortion case to Morrisonhttp://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/jan/23/sedgwick_county_da_refers_abortion_case_morrison/
Attorney General Kline couldn’t file charges in Wichita because that was Nola’s job. Now Nola’s punted her job to the new Attorney General? Who is Nola protecting? Why isn’t it obvious to the Wichita Eagle that Nola is ignoring Kansas Law?
Let’s cut to the chase here – Kline didn’t give a rat’s behind about child rape – this was about targeting abortionists and scaring women into not going to clinics by dipping into medical records.
Nola and Morrison are playing in the same sandbox, being as big of babies as Kline is.
Three adults pulling hair, calling names, stomping feet and basically acting like Middle Schoolers.
Morrison could have/should have allowed the appointed investigator to continue until he proved an agenda – firing him the first day was a babyish act.
KKKline could have/should have NOT fired seven attorneys on the DA payroll the day he took office in Johnson County. Babyish act. His political days are now permanently limited.
Nola could have/should have NOT immediately jumped Kline’s ass and publicly trashed him. Another babyish act.
It’s time to start running some quality people in these positions. Kline will do nothing to benefit Johnson county. Morrison, if his first day is any indication of his attitude will make the rest of his term a struggle for anyone with a brain. Nola, well….damn, she’s getting her heels dug in deeper by the day.
Clean house. New blood.
Kline will NEVER be forgiven on the abortion records thing. NEVER.
He sealed his fate. He didn’t go after ALL areas – underage births, docs who treat underage STD’s.
He did NOT care about child rape.
That was glaringly obvious.
The office of Attorney General no longer means much. All three of the above made sure of it.
Agree with GS that Kline makes all offices he holds nothing but a joke.
Foulston claims to have previously investigated all the cases that Kline gave her.
Morrison will be a good KS AG. He has not had enough time on the job to prove otherwise.
KSMagpie: Get a life. Sidewalk counselors? Soap box self ordained preachers on the corner? Outright wackos? They have no credibility and neither do you. Put your money where your mouth is. Do something constructive. Move to Michigan and take Kline, Phelps and Brownback with you. It will raise the IQ of both states.
Adm. William Fallon acknowledges that they miscalculated Iraq:
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/16575422.htm
“Fallon says U.S. miscalculated IraqANNE FLAHERTYAssociated PressWASHINGTON – Adm. William Fallon, who is poised to become the top American commander in the Middle East, says the United States miscalculated the ability of Iraqi forces to take control and underestimated the enemy’s persistence.
“Securing the stability of the country has been more difficult than anticipated,” Fallon said in a written statement to the Senate Armed Services Committee. “Our ability to correctly assess the political, economic and security situation in Iraq has been lacking.”"
As my son would say: “No shit Sherlock!”
Meanwhile, we keep the same “deciders” in charge and think things will turn out differently next time.
Get a life. We don’t hear that enough.
rm64………YOU DA’ MAN!!HA
I had an excellent email yesterday titled “Bush Sr. and Jr.” It’s a conversation between the two men:
Bush Senior:
“Son, you’re making the same mistake in Iraq that I made with your mother”.
Bush Junior:
“Whats that Dad?”
Bush Senior:
“I didn’t pull out in time…”
“The network’s weekly audience has been stuck at just under 2 million since the beginning — about one-tenth the number of listeners who tune in each week to conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh.”
The suckage that is Air America.No wonder you people don’t like the free market.
linda-Did any of it get on a blue dress?
Linda,That’s a joke only a 55+ year old woman or a 13 yr old boy can appreciate.
Europe And America At Odds On Terrror Threat
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Europe_And_America_At_Odds_On_Terrror_Threat.htmlby Gareth HardingUPI Chief European CorrespondentBrussels (UPI) Mar 06, 2006Europeans and Americans are supposed to be fighting shoulder to shoulder in the so-called war on terror. But how can they beat their common enemy when they have such radically different interpretations of the scale of the threat posed by Jihadi terrorism and the nature of the response needed to defeat it?This question was left lingering at the end of two recent conferences in Brussels on international terrorism — one organized by the Royal Institute for International Relations in Belgium and the other by the Italian International Affairs Institute, in association with the German Marshall Fund of the United States.
Ever since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks the Bush administration has viewed the struggle against terrorist groups like the Taliban and al-Qaida as a war that can be won in the mountains of the Hindu Kush and the deserts of the Sunni triangle. Europeans, on the other hand, remain deeply uncomfortable with the term “war on terror,” with many asking how it is possible to wage war on an abstract noun.
“The United States talks of a war against terror,” said one senior European Union official at the GMF conference. “We don’t subscribe to that view in the European Union.” Speaking at the same event, which observed ‘Chatham House’ rules of anonymity, a NATO official said the 26-member military bloc also preferred to talk about the “fight against terror.”
It is more than a semantic issue. The Bush administration — and many ordinary Americans — see their country “at war” with terrorism, and argues trenchantly that U.S. troops in Iraq are part of this effort. There is no such feeling in Europe, partly because European nations have lived with terrorist attacks on their soil for decades, if not centuries.
woody, what’s an air america?And why should we care?
Exactly, tracy.
http://funny2.com/odds.htm
Odds that a person between the age of 18 and 29 does NOT read a newspaper regularly: 3 to 1Odds that an American adult does not want to live to age 120 under any circumstances: 3 to 2
Odds of injury from fireworks: 19,556 to 1
Odds of injury from shaving: 6,585 to 1
Odds of injury from using a chain saw: 4,464 to 1
Odds of injury from mowing the lawn: 3,623 to 1
Odds of fatally slipping in bath or shower: 2,232 to 1
Odds of drowning in a bathtub: 685,000 to 1
Odds of being killed on a 5-mile bus trip: 500,000,000 to 1
Odds of being killed sometime in the next year in any sort of transportation accident: 77 to 1
Odds of being killed in any sort of non-transportation accident: 69 to 1
Odds of being struck by lightning: 576,000 to 1
Odds of being killed by lightning: 2,320,000 to 1
Odds of being murdered: 18,000 to 1
Odds of getting away with murder: 2 to 1
Odds of being the victim of serious crime in your lifetime: 20 to 1
Odds of dating a supermodel: 88,000 to 1
Odds of being considered possessed by Satan: 7,000 to 1
Odds that a first marriage will survive without separation or divorce for 15 years: 1.3 to 1
Odds that a celebrity marriage will last a lifetime: 3 to 1
Odds of getting hemorrhoids: 25 to 1
Odds of being born a twin in North America: 90 to 1
Odds of being on plane with a drunken pilot: 117 to 1
Odds of being audited by the IRS: 175 to 1
Odds of having your identity stolen: 200 to 1
Odds of dating a millionaire: 215 to 1
Odds of dating a supermodel: 88,000 to 1
Odds of writing a New York Times best seller: 220 to 1
Odds of finding out your child is a genius: 250 to 1
Odds of catching a ball at a major league ballgame: 563 to 1
Odds of becoming a pro athlete: 22,000 to 1
Odds of finding a four-leaf clover on first try: 10,000 to 1
Odds of a person in the military winning the Medal of Honor: 11,000 to 1
Odds of winning an Academy Award: 11,500 to 1
Odds of striking it rich on Antiques Roadshow: 60,000 to 1
Odds of getting a royal flush in poker on first five cards dealt: 649,740 to 1
Odds of spotting a UFO today: 3,000,000 to 1
Odds of becoming president: 10,000,000 to 1
Odds of winning the California lottery: 13,000,000 to 1
Odds of becoming a saint: 20,000,000 to 1
Odds of a meteor landing on your house: 182,138,880,000,000 to 1
Peckerwood actually raises an interesting point for once–
why did Air America tank?
It may be true that liberal radio will never be as popular as conservative radio. I think liberals have less need to hear their values re-affirmed over and over. We are, after all, in the majority–way in the majority.
If it weren’t for the spectacularly undemocratic way that the rural voters are vastly over-represented by the federal government, the Republicans wouldn’t stand a chance at the national level.
But in Air America’s case, they had a combination of poor management and beginner’s bad luck. There’s no where in the biggest city in Kansas for instance where you can even tune them in.
Lastly, we’re not a bunch of retired farmers drinking coffee. We work for a living. Listening to talk radio isn’t conducive to high productivity.
Oh, brother. Where to start.
CrapOnAmerica~Do you regularly injure yourself living with such blinders on? Do you ever tire of not seeing reality?
I heard on the radio this morning that Al Franken is leaving Air America to possibly pursue a run at the US Senate in his home state of Minnesota.
Tracy, Air America is a liberal talk radio effort started about 5 years ago as a counterpart to Limbaugh, Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Glenn Beck, Neil Boortz, et al. It has been in financial trouble from the beginning and in Chapter 11 for more than a year.
Nut,
If you are very lucky you will live to be my ripe-old-age of 60. I have many years of experience and have gained lots of wisdom. I have a happy marriage, excellent health, raised productive independent children, was a successful professional (now retired), enjoy the world’s best grandchildren, many friends and a happy dog.
:o)
Linda,That’s outstanding! Congrats to you!
However, that joke still sucked.
Cherry picked from article interesting read
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/index.php?term=pto-20061222-000001&page=1
Abstract Art vs. Talk Radio: The Political Personality StandoffMost people are surprised to learn that there are real, stable differences in personality between conservatives and liberals—not just different views or values, but underlying differences in temperament. Psychologists John Jost of New York University, Dana Carney of Harvard, and Sam Gosling of the University of Texas have demonstrated that conservatives and liberals boast markedly different home and office decor. Liberals are messier than conservatives, their rooms have more clutter and more color, and they tend to have more travel documents, maps of other countries, and flags from around the world. Conservatives are neater, and their rooms are cleaner, better organized, more brightly lit, and more conventional. Liberals have more books, and their books cover a greater variety of topics. And that’s just a start. Multiple studies find that liberals are more optimistic. Conservatives are more likely to be religious. Liberals are more likely to like classical music and jazz, conservatives, country music. Liberals are more likely to enjoy abstract art. Conservative men are more likely than liberal men to prefer conventional forms of entertainment like TV and talk radio. Liberal men like romantic comedies more than conservative men. Liberal women are more likely than conservative women to enjoy books, poetry, writing in a diary, acting, and playing musical instruments.
All people are born alike—except Republicans and Democrats,” quipped Groucho Marx, and in fact it turns out that personality differences between liberals and conservatives are evident in early childhood. In 1969, Berkeley professors Jack and Jeanne Block embarked on a study of childhood personality, asking nursery school teachers to rate children’s temperaments. They weren’t even thinking about political orientation.
Twenty years later, they decided to compare the subjects’ childhood personalities with their political preferences as adults. They found arresting patterns. As kids, liberals had developed close relationships with peers and were rated by their teachers as self-reliant, energetic, impulsive, and resilient. People who were conservative at age 23 had been described by their teachers as easily victimized, easily offended, indecisive, fearful, rigid, inhibited, and vulnerable at age 3. The reason for the difference, the Blocks hypothesized, was that insecure kids most needed the reassurance of tradition and authority, and they found it in conservative politics.
…Chuckles…WE Blog attempts to block my IP again (4th time)…chuckles…WE Blog = Liberal Leftists who don’t believe in other opinions…:-)…
“Liberal men like romantic comedies more than conservative men.”
Not surprising. Pussys.
Meadowlark, continued…
THEY were reported…
they WERE reported…
they were REPORTED…
The joke was hillarious golf. What is it you like to say to me? “Lighten up”???
Conservative men watch reality television more than liberal men,since it’s more real than the world they live in.
I’m very light – especially today. I had a fabulous dinner with my uncle last night at Abuelos. mmmmm.
It was hilarious (just one L) if you’re comically challenged. Or a teenager. =)
fw that would be pussies can’t you get anything right?
The BEST part of GWran down his momma’s leg.
KSmeadowlark starts the day out with an intelligent, well researched post and look what follows. Talk about pearls before swine.
And, Dickless Tracy that joke was old long before you tried to find out who your father was. Good grief talk about a room temperature IQ.
Your turn, what’s next, So’s your mother? The best part of you should have wound up in George Tiller’s crematorium.
Benny Boy…..”A sharp tongue does not mean you have a keen mind”- TRACY.
Change course in Iraq – Adm William Fallon:
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/16575422.htm
Bush nominee: New actions needed in IraqANNE FLAHERTYAssociated PressWASHINGTON – Stabilizing Iraq will require “new and different actions” to improve security and promote political reconciliation, the Navy admiral poised to lead American forces in the Middle East said Tuesday.
Adm. William Fallon, at his confirmation hearing, also told the Senate Armed Services Committee that it may be time to “redefine the goals” in Iraq.
“I believe the situation in Iraq can be turned around, but time is short,” he said.
Gee, does that make him an advocate of “cut-and-run”?
GOP Senator Spector – Bush NOT some decider:
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/16575416.htm
Specter: Bush not sole ‘decision-maker’LAURIE KELLMANAssociated PressWASHINGTON – A Senate Republican on Tuesday directly challenged President Bush’s declaration that “I am the decision-maker” on issues of war.
“I would suggest respectfully to the president that he is not the sole decider,” Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said during a hearing on Congress’ war powers amid an increasingly harsh debate over Iraq war policy. “The decider is a shared and joint responsibility,” Specter said.
…tracy phillips appears to be an attention whore…capnamerica appears to be far left verbal terrorist and propagandist…benhuie appears to be only hippy on WE Blog that got an education…morg appears to be a cut and paste guy who posts are probably ignored…ksmeadowlark appears to be occasional poster of anti-abortion and it was the other guy fault…GentleBen appears to be the resident apologist but only for one-side causes…fleetwood appears to be a contrarian of right wing flavor…Political Mom appears to be a victim that can be an uninformed mouth…KSGolfnut appears to be a business man who finds great joy in mocking those who take politics too seriously…”…” is creepy and his brother-in-law the “bogeyman” visits you at nite…:-)…
…,SPOT ON!
Meadow poop has it’s own blog.That’s why it gets ignored.
It rubs the lotion on its skin. It does this whenever it is told.Now it places the lotion in the basket.It places the lotion in the basket.Put the f*#king lotion in the basket!
Dothead, that’ll be ten bucks for paying attention to what I write.HA
…,I’m not a contrarian.
… you are an interesting case study I will forward your posts to research orgs that will benefit from your thoughts………
…note to morg, American Psychiatric Association already have my case files…:-)…
woody…are too.dothead…..you’re hogging my goddamn attention.Cease and desist.
morg-Please cut and paste the forwards so we can ignore them.
dothead is not real.That’s why it gets ignored.
It rubs the lotion on its skin. It does this whenever it is told.
Now it places the lotion in the basket.It places the lotion in the basket.Put the f*#king lotion in the basket!
woody…….HAgreat one.too bad you’re a winger,there could be hope for you!
the gfhttp://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=81396898
thats dot morg you P U S S I E fleetwood
morg, can I call you dot?
the gfhttp://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=81396898
Posted by: fleetwood | January 30, 2007 at 10:37 AM
thats dot morg you P U S S I E fleetwood
Posted by: .morg | January 30, 2007 at 10:47 AM
The 10:37 was not my post. it’s a mystery who might have done it. The link is goofy enough.Luckily, I was the 1,000,000th visitor to the site and I get a free* laptop. When they get my $900 for shipping and handling, I’ll let you know.
One of my hobbies is collecting antique religious books and military history books. When I can, I go to estate sales and auctions that might have something I’m interested in.
It’s easy to tell the politics of someone by the books they have.
Generally speaking, the blue collar democrats have very few books. Now the more educated liberals have a lot of books, but really nothing I’m interested in. The democratic base is realatively uneducated and uninformed when it comes to politics.
Generally speaking, republicans have a lot of books covering many fields of interest. The repub
One of the things that I’ve noticed with people that are not very religious is that they tend to buy a lot of ‘health’ books. Especially near the end of their lives. It’s almost an act of desperation, trying to find a way to hold on to life.
Practicing Christians have a lot of religious books. They seem to live a lot healthier life without buying all the health books. They tend to live and die a little more graciously.
Not scientific and definitely biased, just an observation. Conservatives definitely read more books.
Hank
“He sealed his fate. He didn’t go after ALL areas – underage births, docs who treat underage STD’s.
He did NOT care about child rape.”
GS, I see you have a lick of sense, after all. Good for you!
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but shouldn’t those cases such as Kline whined about be begun in the County D.A.’s office and then passed up? Isn’t that what was said about Kline not following the correct procedure?
Or have I slept since then and become confused?
Hank,
I had a shelf full of Christian “self-help” books at one time. I thought they’d give me the answers I needed. They didn’t. They made things worse. They made ME worse.
Prayer may help. I won’t say it doesn’t. But I’m a firm believer that the mind is a powerful thing when it comes to the health of our bodies. If people can make themselves sick by just thinking about it (hypochondriacs, etc.), then why not making themselves healthier (in addition to living a healthy life) by thinking it?
The answer is often inside of us, whether it’s through prayer (pretty much positive thinking) or straight out good thoughts and good living. A strong does of common sense never hurt, either. ;)
fw I knew that wasn’t your post I always thought you didn’t like the girlz u manly man you.
morg-That Derby teacher looks like she might be related to Carter or Clinton. No thanks.
Hank,
As a liberal, I can tell you that I have more books than any one person should have…on a wide variety of subjects. You might be surprised at some of them.
Just wish I had them all with me, but then I’d need a whole room just for books. ;)
My dad was a reader, although he only had an 8th grade education, and he was one of the smartest men I’ve ever known. He taught me that books should be treasured. It’s extrememly painful to get rid of a book, no matter what condition it’s in. It’s like saying goodbye to a friend. So I just don’t do it. *grin*
hmmmmm chelsea maybe
WOW Hank what an incredibly insipid and stupid observation. Not surprising from a deluded person who thinks the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
…J R appears to be a hater of those who don’t hold his views…J R thinks hate speech is blogging…J R insecure in his own beliefs so projects jejune hate speech on others…J R reactionary…J R Magpie…:-)…
Dear RD,
I am sure that you would have to aggree that most of the BLOGers here are the exception rather than the rule.
Most of the liberals that I know personally are well read. Most of them that are liberal in their politics are quite conxervative in their every day life.
As far as Christian self-help books go, I don’t read them. I don’t buy them. I do enjoy antigue religious books and old books documenting the history of the Christian religion.
For day-to-day guidance the KJV is quite sufficient for my needs.
Hank
Just an observation, Hank, but how do you presume to know what everybody else reads? You can say that is your perception of people but you cannot say this is true of everybody unless you know for a fact what their bookshelves contain.
Heh, I was thinking the same thing, JR.
Does having all ten of Tim LaHaye’s “Left Behind” series count as actual books?
Yeah dotty and you are the second nic of some gutless turd. Most likely either fleetwood or KS”lumpy”Golfnut.
KJV – that explains everything about Hank’s posting.
Dear lucee,
I agree with your post, however, I’m not sure how it relates to mine. I fear that you assume that I assume more than you think.
I still love ya though,
Hnak
Your posting sounded like you knew what every labeled person reads or does not read. I just wanted to ask you if you really knew everybody and actually have seen their bookshelves. That’s all. I don’t presume to know what you read nor would I really care, to be truthful.
Long ago, when I was in the army and very depressed, I used to read Atlas Shrugged and Catch-22 every 6 months or so to keep things in proper perspective!
It seemed to work at the time.
Dear lucee,
If you read my posting, it was merely an observation. I qualified it as being non-scientific and biased. It was anecdotal based on estate sales and auctions that peek my interest.
I did come to some conclusions, but even then, thyey are based on mostly Kansas residents.
Now if you don’t think that the democratic base is realtively uneducated and uniformed when it comes to politics then I invite you to study how the democratic politicians constantly talk down to them and campaign on the most idiotic, meaningless catch phrases.
Hank
As some of you know, a while back I provided a link to The Sandbox, which consists of post by troops “on the ground” in Iraq and Afghanistan for the most part.
The link below is a post by a USMC Sergeant concerning his experience with at least one group of Iraqi Police (IP). There is much said there which should provide food for thought.
http://gocomics.typepad.com/the_sandbox/2007/01/i_got_them_ip_b.html
GREAT LINK VT.
Hank, I’ve got a Slavic language, possibly German, Bible from around 1880.I can’t understand a damn word of it.
gster, damn you musta been depressed.Atlas Shrugged once through was plenty.1500 pages of reruns?
Name ten books you’ve read in the last year; the last ten years — hank?
What’s your point dorking?Just Hank hating?You just like to discuss books?I don’t believe Hank is stupid or illiterate, even for a repulican,if that’s where you’re headed.
Hey Door King,
I’ll give you a list when I get home. That way I can get all of the authors right.
This past year I’ve read a ton of political books, a dozen or so dog books, three or four horse books, at least 30 novels, etc.
Hank
So the Republican politicians do not have their meaningless catch phrases? Is that what you’re saying Hank? Two that comes to mind would be ’stay the course’ and ‘mission accomplished’. Many people, not just Democrats, think those two phrases are meaningless.
It’s obviously NOT about the oil. /SARCASM OFF
The Black Gold Rush: Divvying Up Iraq’s OilA reform law put together with lots of help from U.S. consultants could finally open Iraq’s massive reserves to ExxonMobil & Co.’http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2007/01/iraqi_oil.html “”On top of its 115 billion barrels of proven reserves, Iraq is estimated to have between 100 and 200 billion barrels of further possible (as yet undiscovered) reserves,” according to the British public interest group Platform.”…”…Iraq offers an irresistible return on investment for oil companies: Its crude costs about $1 a barrel to produce, and world market prices hover around $50 a barrel.”
Ah my dear lucee,
“Mission accomplished” is definitely a democratic meaningless ‘catch phrase’! Really, get real!
But yes, guilty as noted. Republicans definitely have their idiotic phrases too. However, my point is basically meant for liberals vs conservatives. Almost all of the democrats are liberal. Too many of the republiccans are too!
Hank
How about deceptive catch phrases like “no child left behind”, “clear skies initiative”, “welfare reform”,”healthy forests initiative”,
AND the king of all feel good empty/lying slogans
“Morning in America”
No Hank it is the misinformed on the right that are easily duped by simple words.
Tracy :”gster, damn you musta been depressed.Atlas Shrugged once through was plenty.1500 pages of reruns?”
Yeah, I gave up waiting for the musical!
I was in an Intelligence unit, oximoron though it is, and it was amazing how many people I could match up with the charaters in Catch-22.
Myself excluded.
Great link VT – says a LOT.
“No Hank it is the misinformed on the right that are easily duped by simple words.”
How about, “It takes a village to raise a child?”
That one is still duping the left.
lol
Not duping at all GS. We all should be involved in the lives of the children in our neighborhoods. Scout leaders, teachers, clergy, etc are all important.
Whoever is in that village must have let the village idiot loose for the last 6 years and he crossed party lines.
lol
Whoever is in that village must have let the village idiot loose for the last 6 years and he crossed party lines.
lol
sorry for double post…dang computer froze up on me.
I rest my case….
Sherri, Baby–
Are you barren of womb as well as barren of brain?
It does take a village to raise a child.
Why do conservatives pine for the days of Andy of Mayberry? Because the entire small town cared about and for each other.
Even in our atomized world of cable tv and the “internets,” we still rely on each other in a myriad of ways–the road builder, the school teacher, the doctor, the water and light companies.
If you don’t agree, try reading this with your power shut off . . .
Gs
The anti social sentiment of folks like you is why abortion will always need to remain legal.
Think of all that blood on your hands!
The problem is who is deciding the who lives in that village and with whose values?
My life and kids, it’s being done by us, close friends and church family.
I’m not too interested in anyone else’s dogma raising my children.
Whether you believe it or not, Hillary and the ultra left would have it another way.
Too bad I didn’t get to your momma before she had you in that case. The WE Blog Village would have had one less idiot.
lol
and exactly how do you know the agenda of the ultra left? Are you one of them secretly?
Mr Kia – it is the sworn duty of the left to try and innundate your children with their beliefs and dogma. That’s why the public schools are getting worse and worse.
Public indoctrination camps run by liberal fools…..
I used to be lucee before I started earning a pay check.
One wishes folks like GSheridan would find the solitude and independence of life on a distant island.
So BTW lucee, with the examples I gave of a village, what would YOU do differently or what do you want your candidate to do differently?I’m not disagreeing with the concept of “it takes a village”, it does and it is happening in all segments of society. It’s a government mandated village with government mandated policies and indoctrination (as gs states) that is the problem.
kia – you just defined a village. It says village, not State. In my case it also included scout leaders.
Well, keep on wishing JR – meanwhile I’m keeping busy trying to picture what you would look like if you developed a personality beyond your delusional, self-important posts.
lol
Knowing that GSheridan is fantasizing about me is a little disquieting…..
Exactly Ben. I don’t disagree with the concept. But we both illustrate the point. Mine involves a spiritual family alot more than yours might. You involve scouts. I may involve coaches (of who I am one).It’s the thought of the Government getting involved in the village that is the concern to me.
LOL – you only wish. Sorry to disappoint – momma’s boys aren’t my thing.
Kia – Hillary wants not only for the government to run the village – she wants to dictate the absolute rules.
Either way – our children are the losers.
Mr Kia – how arrogant of you to think I don’t earn a paycheck. Do you own your own business? Do you actually go out and earn the business or do you just work for someone else – a mere paycheck?
I take the village to mean that people should be concerned about their neighbors and their neighborhood, city, state and country. Rather than just sitting in your own little world and making as much paycheck as you can, why are you not concerned about what is going on around you? People are too isolated today. You mentioned your church family. That’s all well and good but do you only care about your church and no other church family?
Today’s society is all about instant gratification and no concern for the bigger picture. I think this is what the village is referring to. Just like when an Amber alert is on – it takes everyone on the lookout to get the child returned safely. That is the village to me.
You and the rest of the Republicans have made the village this sinister place where parents have lost control of their lives and their childrens’ lives. I’m not for that but I don’t see that happening around here. I seem to recall that you live in California. Maybe this is the way it is in in California? If so, then why live there?
It’s about priorities in our lives and how we treat others.
I have read ‘It Takes a Village’ by HRC, twice. Unbeleavable. No really, literally, unbeleavable!
I read it a few years ago (got it cheap at yard sale) then after reading Rick Santorum’s book ‘It Takes a Family’, I read it again.
Thee is a stark contrast between the two. Hillary’s book is actually a little scarey!
Hank
“You and the rest of the Republicans have made the village this sinister place where parents have lost control of their lives and their childrens’ lives.”
Is this what you call “politics of fear”? or is it just the usual ravings of the citizens of Lib World?
Santorum?
Santorum…San-torum
Didn’t he USED to be a Seantor somewhere?
Lucee you need take that pay check of yours and go buy a clue.I never accused you of not earning a paycheck.
Are the Democrats going to get rid of Crime? Drugs? Sexual Predators? Pedophiles? Murderers? Rapists? Countless other violent criminals?There’s only one way to rid the world of those and our country is doing less and less to allow it in the public square.
If you think morality can be legislated you are sorely mistaken. Come on out to California and move to Disney’s Fantasyland.—–
“There’s only one way to rid the world of those and our country is doing less and less to allow it in the public square.”
I THINK brother Kia is getting ready to beat us over the head with Hanks favorite book…..
Pass.
Havest thou fun.
Dear Hank,
So you prefer Rick “man on dog” Santorum’s book over Hillary’s?
Today’s society is all about instant gratification and no concern for the bigger picture. I think this is what the village is referring to. Just like when an Amber alert is on – it takes everyone on the lookout to get the child returned safely. That is the village to me.Posted by: lucee | January 30, 2007 at 03:30 PM
You need to read or listen to the Hillary book. Yours and hers don’t exactly mesh.
Ummm, Mr Kia, Lucee never said she thought Hillary was right…
…Hillary book – it takes a village…Should be retitled – it takes government programs, a nanny and security guards to raise a child…:-)
Well then I’d caution you on your vote in your Democratic primaries for her.Seriously. No one would in their right mind disagree with the ills of society she points out. However, where is the church in this book? Where are local communities? Where is individual initiative and responsibility?
The world’s largest bureaucracy is the Department of Health and Human Services. Mrs. Clinton seems to be saying throughout the book that the solution to nearly every problem will come from enlarging this enormous bureaucracy even more.
I believe the real issue is that Mrs. Clinton’s book, It Takes a Village, is flawed at its premise. Government is not a village. Parents do not need government bureaucrats and federal programs to raise their children. In many ways, the problems Mrs. Clinton discusses are the result of government “solutions” proposed decades earlier (through the New Deal and Great Society programs). Families don’t need more government; they need less government. Anyone might agree that it does take a village to raise a child, but that doesn’t mean it takes the government to raise a child. Children should be raised by families, churches, and communities–not by the federal government.
What it meant by ‘it takes a villiage’, that we ALL have a vested interest in seeing the youth grow up happy safe and healthy. It used to be that when kids went outside to play- shooed out the door by mom in the morning and instructed to be home for lunch- she relied on the community to tell her when her kids misbehaved. Now, you’re a bad parent if you do such a thing, and others don’t want to get involved.
Again, I’d say Yes. This is the problem with Hillary and Democrats in general I think. They throw out this rosie picture of a Norman Rockwell existence. Sure a lot, probably most people would like to live in that society. But have you read the book with the same title? The solutions suggested within are scary and don’t involve me or you as solutions. Only the Government.
KIA, not everything needs to be done through CHURCH.
That is how we ended up in this mess in the first place.
Community centers can be government, give the kids a place to go. Afterschool programs? What’s wrong with that? I can promise you that if they’re holding it at the church, there’s going to be a heavy dose of God in all of it, and it will exclude a lot of kids.
And not everything should be done thru the government….
If more were done via church…
And less via government…
We’d all be MUCH better off.
Which church?
and would that end up like the boy scouts and discriminate against a group of people?
No what we need to do is remove the tax exempt status of churches and force them to earn deductions through charitable acts.
Isn’t that the same discrimination of which you all want to preach against? (taking away a churches tax exempt status). Just because you hate religion, don’t take away the right from the churches. And earning their deductions I would venture to guess would end up in deductions far greater.BTW, check laws in the tax code. This is the last year (2006 taxes) one can claim cash donations to their church. I’m in favor of that. Too many cheat on their taxes and use the church in this way.
As far as the Boy Scouts goes, (I am an Eagle Scout), this should be an organization for young men and their parent/guardian figures. If a homosexual man has a son involved in the organization, great serve as an other father or guardian. Otherwise keep them out. That goes for any married or unmarried male, gay or straight.Read up a little on pedophiles and protecting your children. Any adult other than a parent (or guardian) who shows to much of an interest in a child is a major red flag. I would put any grown man without a child involved who wants to be involved in the Boy Scouts in this catergory. I am accusing one of being a pedophile, I’m saying get a better hobby. It’s unusual.
PM – I agree that not everything needs to be done through the churches, but let’s face facts, when people give their money to the church charities, they are allowed to choose (within limits) where it goes.
When the government decides which groups need funding the most – many taxpayers are NOT represented by that choice.
Charity is a choice – I give because I WANT to – not because the IRS is grabbing it and handing it to someone else.
I firmly disagree with the current liberal push for a nanny state and the resulting gift economy.
When, and if, the IRS levies MORE taxes, I will quit giving to charity. I have a number of friends who think the very same way.
Pick a church – any church.
That’s not even a choice either GS. Once the IRS levies more taxes, we won’t have the choice because we won’t be able to give and still live.That’s the idea. Tax and tax and tax some more. And when you are thru with that, tax some more.Then we won’t have any choice but to rely on Government programs for the social needs of the country.Socialism does not come over night. It is a slow and steady walk thru a nations instituitions.
I just have to ask the conservatives here – who and how is the National Debt going to be paid?
We have been told that tax revenues were going to cover the deficit – back in the early Eighties after the Reagan tax cuts.
Tax cuts have yet to generate revenues that balanced the budget.
So how are we going to pay off our nine trillion dollar debt?
Whaaaat Kia?
“If a homosexual man has a son involved in the organization, great serve as an other father or guardian. Otherwise keep them out. That goes for any married or unmarried male, gay or straight”
Ok who does that leave? Women?Women can only run the boyscouts now?
“Any adult other than a parent (or guardian) who shows to much of an interest in a child is a major red flag. I would put any grown man without a child involved who wants to be involved in the Boy Scouts in this catergory.”
Red flag, yes, makes them a pedophile, no. When I was single, I had a male teacher that really took my daughter under his wing. Was I suspicious, you betcha! He did a lot of those things that they say to watch out for. The difference was that he had also been my teacher, and I remembered him as being a genuinely nice guy. He had his own grown kids. And yes, I would regularly question my daughter and look for ANYTHING that might make me think something funny happened. She still to this day adores that man.
There are many organizations that rely on volunteers who just like to work with kids. Teachers, mental health workers, all careers that require a genuine love for kids.
Unfortunately, that is also a good cover for those who wish to do our kids harm. Big brothers and big sisters would not be able to be without mentors. Women can join these with no question of their motives, but not men.
Remember, gay does not equal pedophile too.
Raising my taxes is not going to increase tax revenues.And Democrats are going to raise our taxes and not spend more?
Nanny state? As someone else pointed out, the government has gotten a ton bigger under Bush & Co. And their motives are not good, but rather to move towards fascism, a police state.
Taking care of our own isn’t a gift economy.
Well, Mr. KIA, how do you plan on paying down the debt?
The Republicans increased spending by 9% per year, over the past six years, NOT including war expenses. That is more than twice the rate that Clinton increased spending.
So, how are we, as a country, going to pay off our debt without raising taxes?
Well, since the conservatives won’t answer the question……….
We will have to eliminate the Earned Income Credit, resulting in more poor people being unable to cope.
We will have to eliminate deductions for mortgage interest, resulting in less home ownership.
We will have to eliminate education related deductions, resulting in fewer college and tech students.
We will have to eliminate childcare deductions, resulting in greater numbers of the working poor and higher unemployment.
We will have to raise the SS retirement age from 65 to 75 to reduce the burden on Social Security. Shortly after that, SS will be eliminated completely.
We will have to eliminate Medicare and Medicade soon after eliminating Social Security benefits for retirees.
We will have to eliminate deductions and benefits for the blind and disabled so that we can continue providing tax cuts for the wealthy.
And after all of the changes noted, it will still take one hundred years to pay off the Reagan – Bush I and Bush II debt.
Are you conservatives happy now?
Well, Dothead, why don’t you try to answer the question?
Since you are so damned smart, this should be easy.
How long will it take and how will it be done WITHOUT raising taxes?
…your complaint you come up with a solution…complain about Iraq war…come up with a solution…I know withdraw, become Isolationist, raise taxes and sing kumbaya…plays the crat broken record…:-)…
My complaint?
Our problem. Nine trillion problems that are not going away.
Typical conservative response: dig hole, insert head.
…typical crat response…whine and whine…no solution…:-)…
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Dothead is a conservative.
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Conservative already has a hole.
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Dothead inserts head into existing hole.
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Dothead visits ER to have head removed from ass.
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Doctors cannot removing head due to laughing fits.
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Dothead is stuck with head up ass.
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…typical lib crat response…no solution then attack others with 8th grade maturity…:-)…
“WE Blog attempts to block my IP again (4th time).”
Posted by: … | January 30, 2007 at 09:26 AM
I can’t believe that this is true. Anyone with any sense can see that you are a joke and not a menace. Count me as skeptical.
Solution for conservative lover Dothead – repeal Bush tax cuts for the richest 1% and repeal tax credits for corporations – cut spending on unnecessary programs like subsidies to industry – raise taxes for citizens making over $200,000 per year – turn Dothead into fertilizer for needy farmers.
…six computers…Only IP blocked was one computer used for WE Blog…All other computers navigated to WE Blog easily…Post with WE Blog computer Post blocked, empty page…Post with non WE blog computer, Post not blocked x 4 (knows how to unblock IP, frees up WE Blog computer)…:-)…
Speaking of blocked addresses, has anyone else noticed the absence of Ian Santiago? So, …, if they are trying to block you, I think Ian being gone suggests they do know how to do that.
… Homer Arafat.
six computers = major loser.
… full of bush.
For the record Mom I would never ever suggest homosexuality and pedophiles are one in the same.
On my post on the Scouts, I either need to type alot better or you need to learn to read.What I was trying to say is that if as a man, you do not have a child involved (either parent or guardianship) (or say recently graduated from the program) you shouldn’t be accepted as a volunteer. Problem solved. Discrimination against homosexuals over. If you are a gay man with an adopted son who wants to be in Scouts, great, welcome and participate as a leader.When I was a Scout all over our leaders were fathers with a couple of mom’s mixed in. There might have been a grandfather or two. Of course Cub Scouts was almost all Moms since it was more of an afterschool activity.
Regarding the deficit, I don’t have a copy of the budget in front of me I am sorry to say, however I’m sure there are $9B in cuts in various places.I’m not sure what has happened with Government wasteful spending under Bush, for the most part it is likely been transferred vs. eliminated. I certainly don’t see it getting any better under Democrat rule.
Ahhhhhh, Mr. KIA, it’s not $9B it is Nine Freaking Trillion Dollars.
… WSClark wonders why Dothead can’t come out of the closet.
And a trillion is larger than a billion.
six computers = necessary for work.
Golfnut household: 5 computers
DA <– obviously hitting the weed again – he’s getting peeved.
Homer Arafat and Dothead = one and the same.
popup!<—-now you see me now you don’t!
I think ya busted him WS.
He seems to have busted himself as well.
Yet, I am still perfectly able to contribute.
So much for your detective work.
Seems pretty obvious now, doesn’t it J R? He forgot to change his nic.
Whoops!
DA is an obvious DA.
… got himself blocked, yet *I* can still post.
Ergo, … Golfnut
… Homer Arafat…KSGolfnut
I suppose you can call what you do here “contributing” goofnut…”
I’d say it is more illustrative of a person who is socially inept.And if I am reading right here, you may have just invited the editors to relieve us of your presence!
…popup! still weak and impotent…:-)…
…,Welcome back! =)
… … … Homer Arafat …
…WSClark paranoid crat…:-)…
” … ” = KSGolfnut.
KSGolfnut = ” … ”
Homer Arafat = KSGolfnut.
WSClark = Laughing his butt off.
…correction…WSClark delusional and paranoid crat…:-)…
Homer Simpson crossed with the Family (Peter Griffin) Guy and wearing a Yasser Arafat beard and having very bad breath and a large gut.
And that describes KSGolfnut.
From reputable media reports.
I’m pleased to hear that I and CF comprise a “reputable media report”!
Hooboy goofnut. You ARE a space case.
And by my estimation this is not the first time you have had conversations with your own alter egos.
…J R joins the delusional and paranoid WSClark…:-)…
… … … and forever more, KSGolfnut will be known as Homer Arafat.
When asked, he will admit that his middle name is Peter.
Homer Peter Arafat.
I had a dream that I was moving out of my house, moving down this LONG rural road, into the Cosby house, and that I was trying to wear a pure tangerine orange outfit, with tangerine orange hair bows, that I couldn’t find the other bow to match….then got washed away in a flood with my daughter, but a giant lobster chased us, and then it broke into the hospital as I hid behind the ac unit.
I’m dead serious that this was the dream I had just a bit ago.
Can you guess which channel the TV was on while I slept?
Dave, stop
stop Dave
Won’t you stop Dave?
My mind is going…
I can feel it…
I can feel it…
There is no question about it.
I can feel it….
…Challenge to WE Blog…Expose the Trolls and associate their screen names and be done with it…Just use their screen names…Embarrassment would cause them not to re-offend…:-)…
,,,:They won’t.
…i c…so it’s okay for me to spam up the WE Blog with several hundred troll names per day then, all with separate IPs…:-)…
“Isn’t that the same discrimination of which you all want to preach against? (taking away a churches tax exempt status).”
OMG!! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!
Churches have no right to tax free existance. Arent you christianists the ones who say the constitution just says not to establish a state religion?
Woof. Talk about a sense of entitlement. Paying taxes = discrimination?
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehhehehe
The morning funnies, courtesy of your local dominionists….
Six computers, all with different ip’s? Why would anyone need that many computers, ALL with different ip’s?
Sounds like a professional troll, a la paulie the shillie.
And where is sollie these days?
Seems like several nics have disappeared lately.
Is the WE giving the trolls a time out?
I know the WE wont out the trolls, but I agree, the embarassment of being outed would sure put the brakes on most of these trollers.
Does anyone but me wonder how many $’s per month get spent on that many IP’s? WTF? Even built in redundancy doesnt require SIX IP’s.
Farmie,If you have 10 computers in a network, they all have different IP addresses.
While you may not agree with the fundamental teachings of churches, surely you won’t argue that they are not charitable – ergo, tax exempt.
And/or, that they are not for profit – tax exempt.
Farmgirl – IP spoofing is free.
Hey KSGolfnut,
Basic question please. In my neighborhood, anyway available to me right now, there are three wireless networks. We have two PCs and two laptops here at the house. On momma’s laptop, upstairs, I can access three wireless connections. One of which is mine. Does that mean that I can actually post on using three different IPs at the house? My internet provider is Pixius at home, I just assumed that any wireless connection I posted on would still sow up as Pixius.
At work, we have three work stations, all networked to Wichitausa internet provider. Are you telling me that I have three separate IPs at work? Also, momma’s laptop picks up two wireless networks and one that is firwalled. Could I then have as many as 9 IPs at work if I installed the wireless cards to the workstations?
Just wondering.
Hank