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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Jan. 27, 2007 at 1:04 a.m.
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Famed country singer Toby Keith,who engaged in a public feud with the Dixie Chicks and once sang a two-fisted song about putting “a boot in [the] ass” of the terrorists, tells Newsday that he doesn’t support the Iraq war. “’Never did,’ he says — and he favors setting a time limit on the occupation. He says he suspects civil war in Iraq is inevitable and predicts the Kurds will be the victors: ‘I promise you, they’ll end up with it all.’”
Welcome, Toby, to the Reality-Based Community.
Just to clarify, “The Angry American” was written about 9-11 and fit into the invasion of Afghanistan.Yeah two totally different things from Iraq, I believe Afghanistan was right and the thing to do under the circumstances , Iraq was a mistake and a real distraction from the fight on terrorism. So Keith is patriotic and smart… I knew I could not be the only one!
At the Kerrville Music Festival, a joke was circulating: There are two kinds of music — Toby Keith and music.
I’m not into Country Music at all.
As an American, Keith has every right to privately support or not support any action – as he chooses.
What is REALLY funny is his description of the current Democrat Party:
[Here at home, he worries that the Democratic party is being taken over by "every other nut and fruitcake organization" from the left,...]
That just cracks me up. And he’s soooo right – the Dem Party is losing it – big time.
Thanks for telling it like it is, Toby.
…Debt has exceeded 230+ Billion dollars from 2005 figures…2.9 million injuries…42,636 car accident deaths….115 persons die per day…No protests…No words from Pelosi…No Resolutions from Congress…No stories on the front page of climbing deaths…No protests about so many dieing…12 murders per day by illegal aliens since 9/11…no protests…Pelosi is silent…no Resolutions…
The difference in Toby and the Dixie Chicks is Toby doesn’t go around the world spewing Anti-Bush vitriol. Toby stands up for our men and women in uniform, while the DC’s sound like another bunch of bitter anti-war harpies.
It’s the democratic party, and at least we don’t have the fundy terrorists in our party.
and tripledot, what exactly do you propose about auto accidents? This I’d like to hear…reducing the speed limit aint going to happen, and that’s about all you could do. The automakers have already made cars about as safe as they can possibly be.
“It’s the democratic party, and at least we don’t have the fundy terrorists in our party.”
What would you call Cindy Sheehan?
We should have a walk or some kind of fundraiser for our own cattle ranchers in Western Kansas–we have done it for everyone else/ do it for KANSAS—-I’ll give $10.00 and I’ll help in any way I can.sheryl wardle ( wardlesheryl@aol.com)
Cindy Sheehan is a terrorist?
Please explain how you feel that way. She has done nothing but speak in opposition to a war based on lies, that was led by incompetent warmongers, that killed her own son.
It’s disgusting that you talk so ill of her.
She is at least an anti-war kook, who supports dictators like Hugo Chavez. In doing so, she actively supports the terrorists and the enemy’s of this country. Also look at Kieth Ellison’s support for CAIR.
Cindy Sheehan FREQUENTLY asks why bush is not more actively pursuing Osama bin Laden instead of misadventure in Iraq.
Just when did Hugo Chavez attack America? He attacked bush. There IS a difference.
Hey tripdot? You should use dittos instead since your post is no more than a Rush Limbaugh talking point list.
Hugo Chavez may be an ass, but he is not a dictator. He is a legally elected President (who actually had people run against him unlike Saddam). Columbia is not a terrorist state, and they do not support terrorism. Chavez is just a Noam Chomsky disciple (American-Hater). Which is his right.And since you could not explain how Chavez is a terrorist, your “explanation” of Cindy Sheehan being one is gone.
I think that limiting where she could protest on public property into “free-speech zones” where nobody can see them is the REAL CRIME. A clear violation of her Consitutional right to assemble and not one conservative, self-annointed “Defenders of the Constitution”, gives a shit.
Hypocrisy anyone?
Well, I happen to believe that neocons and the Bush administration are enemies to this country too.
So I guess that makes me a terrorist too according to you. Except none of us have advocated blowing people up and taking over a country for no good reason.
I don’t know political mom.
You didn’t look like you COULDN”T be a terrorist when we met! So…how am I or anyone else to know???? /sarcasm
Andrew, Yes, Hugo was “elected”. Now he is doing a power grab to make and taking away the freedoms of the very people who put him in power, aided by his party which dominates their government. BTW< PM I am not calling you a terrost.
He got like 60% of the vote, Bob! That sounds like a legal election to me.You are so full of right-wing fearmongering that you can’t see how ridiculous you sound.Hugo’s party runs the government because his people WANT him to. Where is it our place to tell them, the Columbian people (not American) who they can and can’t elect or how they should govern themselves? Wow, you take to propaganda like a loyal German during the war… You are sounding more and more like a troll…
“Now he is doing a power grab to make and taking away the freedoms of the very people who put him in power, aided by his party which dominates their government.” Hey that sounds like just exactly what george bush has been doing! That is up til these last elections.
Lol. Blinded by the not-so-bright right.
Great debate. I gues we’ll just have to agree to disagree, at least for now. I need to get off.
Haha… Nice rebuttal… This is not a draw, Bob… you lost.
It was a good debate, Bob, come back when you can.
Hugo attacked American when he nationalized companies owned by American companies and shareholders, resulting in the complete loss of investment, jobs and etc.
Joe, I wouldn’t characterize that as an “attack on America”. I would, however, say that in light of the history of nationalization of foreign assets (U.S., primarily) by South American countries, it was more of a case of “haven’t you learned, yet”?
Cost of business in a third world country. That has nothing to do with our government. And we all know how well state-run industries fair… His people will end up footing that bill.
…Hugu Chavez is president of Venezuela not Columbia…Chavez is a Marxist not a democratic leader…Chavez uses military patrols to control opposition…Chavez used edict to take away all private property. Only government owns property now….Chavez orders TV and Radio stations to broadcast his message…Chavez closes down dozens of tv and radio stations who do not broadcast his message…Crats read comic book entries for source material…Crats think Hugo Chavez is President of Columbia. President Uribe, President of Columbia would be surprised…
Oops… Im a dumbass there… haha!!! I knew I had that wrong. But it’s his country (whatever it’s called), so I still don’t see how this matters to the US at all. Please explain.
Mother Sheehan…a terrorist???
bahaha
She’s a grieving mom. Nothing more. Politically, she’s meaningless.
Right, I’m an Army Reserve Sergeant (I went from buck private to NCO in less than 2 years…). I have been in the Army almost three years now and been on active duty for well over two of them. Thanks for pointing that out.
And I am still looking for an answer to my question:
How does what Chavez does any of our business?
Please explain.
Guys! For real! Hugo Chavez is a bad guy. Regardless of your political leaning. Please don’t prop this guy up as some sort of anti-Bush or some nice guy. He is far from it.
He is a dictator, through and through.
I didn’t say he was a good guy.
At the beginning of thread Toby Keith was being praised for being so patriotic because he made these great songs about kicking our enemy’s ass but he secretly was against going to Iraq. Of course he kept that to himself until now and made a shit load of money. However the Dixie Chicks have been harrassed beyon belief because they went to Europe and said out loud what many people believe.This is kind of like have a pedophile in the family and everyone quietly avoids and talks about him and how bad he is but then gets angry when someone finally stands up and calls him what he is and points out his wake of distruction.Face it guys, Toby is no different than anybody else. He can say he is against the war in Iraq because he knows the tide has turned and he won’t lose his fans. When it wasn’t expedient to say it he kept it to himself. Actually the Dixie Chicks have been more honest and have suffered greatly for their beliefs but they have stuck to them. It’s a black eye to Clear Channel who set out to destroy them.
I heard at least a year ago that Toby’s “We’ll put a boot in your ass, it’s the American way,” was not done in support of Bush. It was about 9/11, not Iraq.
Toby Keith is a registered Democrat, not a redneck Republican. ;)
I like Toby Keith, although for a while there, with all the Dixie Chicks brouhaha, I questioned my taste. *grin* Did y’all know he played pro football?
Here’s a link with some interesting info in it about those in the music business, from 2004.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04270/384277.stm
RD, didn’t know he played professionally; was aware he played at Oklahoma, which might explain something, although I don’t know what. :)
Dixie Twits <– traitors
Dixie Chicks<—exercised free speech ; )
KSGolfnut<——anti free speech : x
KSGolfnut<——un American :(
Totally agree with Brenda re: Who’s got the stronger principles, The Dixie Chicks or Toby Keith?
ANS: The Dixie Chicks. Those colors don’t run.
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/ny-ettoby0128,0,6077773.story
I would describe The Big Dog as a redneck, southern patriot. He is also one damn fine country singer.
I think Cindy Sheehan, should shut her mouth and go home! Stay home and keep her mouth shut!
She suffered a loss, as well as many others, who are dignified enough, to keep their thoughts and feelings, private. I’m sorry, for them!
Cindy Sheehan, is an abcess, to this country! The money to support her frequent activities, does not come from her pockets but, from supporters that will do anything , to undermine the integrity of this country.
This is, a poor old, sick woman, that should be forgotten. She had her claim to fame. What’s done, is done! Get over it.
Cindy Sheehan – a total nut.
Too bad the Dixie Twits didn’t catch pneumonia from posing nude and all perish.
America would be a better place.
What’s done is done, well hell I guess we should just ‘get over’ 9/11 too?
James the only person who has undermined our country is President Bush and his supporters.She’s absolutely entitled to speak her mind.
GS, you wish death upon the Dixie chicks…gee, that sounds just like a republicon.
I would describe Toby Keith as a businessman. Period. His business is hustling music for a buck, and many of his customers are susceptible to the marketing that’s at the heart of his music.
However, the same can’t be said about The Dixie Chicks, obviously.
PM – my comment about the Dixie Twits was tongue-in-cheek, obviously.
Does anybody but me feel the IQ points go out of this forum everytime we get a post from the goof nut or GSheridan?
Toby Keith? Who can say? He may have honestly changed his opinion on the war. Many have. Or he may not have the courage of the Dixie Chicks. Or he may be responding TO the change in attitude to the war.
Hey even the Billy bobs, Bubba genes and Ellie Maes can’t be fooled forever.
Cindy Sheehan? She is speaking her mind. I’d say she’s earned that right. But since when did that right have to be earned anyway? There are PLENTY of grieving parents that comfort themselves that their kids died for…..something….in this misadventure. They are strutted out all the time by Hannity and Rush and Boortz and Levin. No one tells THEM to shut up. Here for the first time? I will say what I would say to them.
I am so sorry for your loss. If it gives you some measure of comfort to feel that your child died for this country or for some greater good? You are correct. They did. A soldiers portion is duty. But in a larger sense they died because their nation failed them. Pride in that only encourages more of the same.
Anyone who structures a sentence, “Does anybody but me feel the IQ points go out of this forum everytime we get a post from the goof nut or GSheridan?” probably ought not be talking about IQ period.
G?
Taking shots at my grammar?
If THAT’s the best you’ve got? Fire away!
You’re amusing and we encourage you to try again.
Hey – you’re the one making IQ comments.
I’m just pointing out that it might behoove you to come down off your high horse and take a look in the mirror.
I LIKE my “high horse” thank you.
It beats standing in what you are!
Standing in what I am?
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
To : Political Mom
Cindy, has a right to speak her mind! But, other than mouthing, what others put in her head and the support of those that have no clue and only seek this as an opportunity to capitalize upon someone’s misfortune, to their benefit, I see no purpose in giving this woman credit for anything! She’s just, in the way!
She’s, just a SLUG! She, just doesn’t know it! Just being used by the media, to accomplish their means.
How about, the other 3,000+ lives lost, plus the other casualties. You don’t see them blocking highways, properties and throwing a hissy fit.
They don’t go to Venzuela, to suck up to the dicator and get their picture in the paper. Who’s dime, is she doing this on?
Tell me, Why, Cindy Sheehan should be given more public, than a bucket of warm spit?
It means you’re full of sh*t, GSheridan.
And I second that emotion.
Isn’t it odd that this guy pops up from out of nowhere the same day that JM says he’s leaving?
Perhaps just a coinky-dink, but still amazing.
Just goes to show that no matter how many times you play whack-a-wacko, there’re always more wackos out there to whack.
James–
Cindy has something important to say about the war, and millions of Americans–THE MAJORITY–agree with her.
You CONs slay me.
* We say, “don’t go into Iraq–it’ll be a quagmire.” And you say we love Saddam and hate America.
* George Bush goes into unilaterally into Iraq thumbing his nose at the rest of the world, and it turns out to be quagmire. We say, “this plan isn’t working. Do something different.”
And you say, “you never wanted Bush to win because you hate America.”
* After four years, things are getting worse not better. The person most responsible for it is the person who ordered the troops in. We say, “Bush must be held accountable for his decisions.”
You say, “The chaos in Iraq is the Iraqis’ fault. They don’t have good leaders. Nothing is Bush’s fault, and anyone who says it is, is just a ‘Bush-basher’ who is never happy about anything. Oh, and by the way, you hate America.”
Just unbelievable.
Capn
GSheridan is a live one. political mom knows her from that desert Salina blog. Says she’s a brawler.
She doesn’t know the meaning of brawl…..
yet.
james? You post is ALMOST as clever as your email addy.
tee hee!
Maybe jr and capn can get together and have lib love. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
I hate America most.
No, I do.
No, me.
I love my country, Peckerwood. That’s why I want to make it better.
Your kind of patriotism is that of the facist–no criticism of anything I like but I’ll criticise anything I want because I’m patriotic.”
Idiotic does not equal patriotic, no matter how many times you say it.
Facist?You lose.Which means I Win.Which makes you a loser.Next?LTMQ
Facist?You lose.Which means I Win.Which makes you a loser.Next?LTMQ
Did you hate America from the very beginning, Fleettttwood?
Or did you slowly turn into an America hater?
JR”
I don’t understand you comment. “My email post,” is almost as clever as,my email addy.”
I have no idea, what you’re talking about. Perhaps, You could bring me up to speed! You could, just as well ignore any response and your comments would be unkmownbut, yourselfe.
So elevate US, JR. What do you be trying to say?
JR, I’m asking you to clarify your point.
Have you missed your bedtime?
ROFL!!!
CaptKrunch just said “peckerwood”
Proof: the boy is in middle school.
Um, peckerwood is a racist term.
Peckerwood is a racist term?
I didn’t know that.
I just thought it was a High School term.
Golf and Fleet don’t hate America. They just hate anyone who feels we could do better.
Golf and Fleet are standing on a razor thin line of denial that dictates that if we could do better then we are not the best. Therefore there is something wrong with them.
Hey, GS resembles that remark too worker.
Yes, look it up GS.
Remember, I was once married to a racist. I know ALL the terms. Augh, I heard them often enough.
And when I would complain, I was called a ‘coal hauler’. Look that one up too.
GS is just a nutz fleet wanabe: have koolaid will drink!
Can’t you just see Fleet dancing around his living room “I win, I win!” Perhaps he has a wife who sits a claps her hands and says to the kids “Look, look daddy won again kids!”
Fleetwood looks lovingly at his little woods and says “let this be a lesson to you children, never, ever let anyone say your daddy is a loser again.
They all went to bed that night knowing daddy is the king of the bloggers.