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  1. Posted January 23, 2007 at 1:11 am | Permalink

    Kansas Democrats Use Congressional District Party “Committees” as Political $uperfund To Pump Money to Kansas Democratic Party, Sebelius, Morrison and Pollsters

    (What to do when writing one check for $35,000 to the Kansas Democratic Party would be illegal? Write SIX checks!)

    http://www.kansasmeadowlark.com/2007/01-23/index.htm

    See diagram more easily here:The “$uperfund” for the Kansas Democratic Partyhttp://www.saljournal.com/blogs/?p=1769

    If the Democrats really can legally use their state party and all four of their congressional district party committees as a single “political superfund”, the Republicans should do exactly the same thing.

  2. TRACY
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    Meadowpoop you twit.This has been going on for years.I saw the same damn chart on the repugnicans over a year ago.

    Philllll preaches:Kline rallies anti-abortion effortsBY AMANDA O’TOOLEThe Wichita EagleA roomful of people gave Johnson County District Attorney Phill Kline several standing ovations Sunday as he delivered an anti-abortion address in a Best Western convention center in Park City.

    His message was part of a service that was sponsored by Heartbeat Ministries, which provides sidewalk counseling to women outside Women’s Health Care Services, an abortion clinic on East Kellogg.

    Kline said there is a culture in Wichita, in Kansas and throughout the country of apathetic tolerance toward abortion –”a voice that says it’s all about comfort,” he said on Sunday, the night before the 34th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision that established a woman’s constitutional right to obtain an abortion.

    “There is a cry in Wichita and it’s been multiplied 1,000 times over,” Kline said. “And not just by the lives taken, but by the women and girls who have been deceived.”

    After the sermon was over, Heartbeat Ministries took acollection for local anti-abortion efforts and for Kline.continued………

    Gosh gee, I figured there’d be enough crime in JoCo to keep him busy!

  3. TRACY
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    Darwin Awards Haiku:Dude had a screw loose.Glad he didn’t reproduce.Darwin saves the day!

    Stupidity kills.Absolute stupiditykills absolutely.

  4. Posted January 23, 2007 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/22/opinion/polls/main2384943.shtml

    HOLY COW! Bush approval rating drops BELOW 30 percent!

    “(CBS) President Bush will deliver his State of the Union address Tuesday night to a nation that’s strongly opposed to his plan for increasing troops in Iraq and deeply unhappy with his performance as president, according to a CBS News poll.

    “Mr. Bush’s overall approval rating has fallen to just 28 percent, a new low, while more than twice as many (64 percent) disapprove of the way he’s handling his job.

    “Two-thirds of Americans remain opposed to the president’s plan for sending more than 20,000 additional U.S. troops to Iraq — roughly the same number as after Mr. Bush announced the plan. And 72 percent believe he should seek congressional approval for the troop increase.”

    This is about where Nixon stood right before he RESIGNED.

    For many a long year, I despaired that the American people would live up to Lincoln’s observation that “you can’t fool all the people all the time,” but finally even the reality-tv sodden, video game ridden American public understands that this man is the

    Worst

    President

    Ever.

  5. Ben Huie
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    SOTU address. 8PM?

  6. KSGolfnut
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    ComradeAmerika <– one-trick pony

  7. gster
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    SOTU address. 8PM?

    Pepto Bismol .. 8:02??

  8. Julie
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    gster-thought you’d start w/ the pepto around 7:50 to get prepared

  9. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    Gster, I dont recommend pepto as a chaser to tequila. Which is what is needed to numb the bushwatching pain.

  10. gster
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    I’m considering pouring the Pepto over the popcorn.Any thoughts?

  11. Heckler
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    “And a juxtaposition of Abu Ghraib and Muslim beheadings tells the tale, as too many of us are epitomized by panties while our adversaries are by swords. While they bat nary an eye at the torture of an innocent, we eat ourselves alive over the humiliation of the guilty. But what is truly humiliating is when the hard people laugh, watching the soft people play the fools, bray at one another, and commit cultural suicide.

    And make no mistake, they laugh. Why do you think the Mexican government distributed literature instructing its citizens on how to best violate our southern border? Why did Islamists issue advice on how to play the victim card in the American legal system? They don’t tolerate such under their dominion, but they know about our lawsuits, protests, pandering politicians and capitulating clergy. They know the game. They know us. And they don’t really think we’re barbaric or unjust.

    They think we’re weak and stupid. ”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/01/soft_people_hard_people.html

  12. TRACY
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Check this out blogfarts.

    Somebody try it and see if it works, please?I don’t have my cell phone with me or I’d try it.

    http://www.phonetrace.org/index.php

  13. political_mom
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Tracy damn it no.

  14. kansassam
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    TRACY…

    DON’T GO THERE!

    It’s just someone peddling porn…

  15. political_mom
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    Testicles, who knows with you- you’d probably poke a pinhole in my face and use it as a sex toy.

    Or distribute it online.

  16. KSGolfnut
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Ahhh – trailer park humor. I get it.

  17. KSGolfnut
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Tracy,I’m afraid to enter my cell number. I’m liable to start getting sex sales calls – I’ve already got the fear of Jesus since I gave the number to PeeMom.

  18. political_mom
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    I haven’t told anyone your number or who you are yet. Relax.

  19. political_mom
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Remember, I’M not the MEAN ONE.

  20. Posted January 23, 2007 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Pee,It was a joke. I’m not afraid or I wouldn’t have given it to you.

  21. RD
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    “I’m considering pouring the Pepto over the popcorn.Any thoughts?”

    Sure, I always have thoughts. Note I didn’t say coherent thoughts.

    Won’t the popcorn covered with Pepto stick to the TV screen? What a mess!

  22. political_mom
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Ok ya’ll, way past my bedtime. Nighty night!

  23. gster
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    “Won’t the popcorn covered with Pepto stick to the TV screen? What a mess!”

    Yes-But it will give our hero more depth than normal,even some texture!

    Even as it slides down the screen onto the floor!

  24. RD
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Very true, gster. Proceed.

  25. TRACY
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Oh crap…….I didn’t try it.The guy that sent it is into those kinda jokes……..SORRY.

    If it’s a porno link, let’s get it bounced.Me stewpud.

  26. TRACY
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Here’s something much nicer:

    Lexophiles – lovers of words – will enjoy these.

    1. A bicycle can’t stand alone; it is two tired.2. A will is a dead giveaway.3. Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.4. A backward poet writes inverse.5. In a democracy it’s your vote that counts; in feudalism, it’s your Count that votes.6. A chicken crossing the road: poultry in motion.7. If you don’t pay your exorcist you may be repossessed.8. With her marriage she got a new name and a dress.9. Show me a piano falling down a mine shaft and I’ll show you A-flat miner.10. When a clock is hungry it goes back four seconds.11. The guy who fell onto an upholstery machine was fully recovered.12. A grenade fell onto a kitchen floor in France resulting in Linoleum Blownapart.13. You are stuck with your debt if you can’t budge it.14. Local Area Network in Australia: The LAN down under.15. He broke into song because he couldn’t find the key.16. A calendar’s days are numbered.17. A lot of money is tainted: ‘Taint yours, and ‘taint mine.18. A boiled egg is hard to beat.19. He had a photographic memory which was never developed.20. A plateau is a high form of flattery.21. The short fortuneteller who escaped from prison: a small medium at large.22. Those who get too big for their britches will be exposed in the end.23. When you’ve seen one shopping center you’ve seen a mall.24. If you jump off a Paris bridge, you are in Seine.25. When she saw her first strands of gray hair, she thought she’d dye.26. Bakers trade bread recipes on a knead to know basis.27. Santa’s helpers are subordinate clauses.28. Acupuncture: a jab well done.

  27. TRACY
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    The short fortuneteller who escaped from prison:a small medium at large.

    HA, double HA!

  28. .morg
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    They think we’re weak and stupid. “Whats your point heckler? When the Russians were in Afghanistan did they treat the locals nicely? Did they win? Were they not a strong force, a modern military?Why do you guys think we would do any better. Were just another foreign occupying force.Ask the French or the Brits.How did they do?

  29. WSClark
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    You are correct, .morg, we should have learned from the Soviet example in Afghanistan. Their occupation of Afghanistan contributed to the downfall of communism. It was death by a thousand cuts, with the USA suppying the knives.

    Without genocide, an occupying force cannot win.

  30. JM
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Yeah, that’s right Morg, there are too many American’t(s).

  31. WSClark
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Good article by Fareed Zakaria regarding democracy and our attempt to “spread” the same in the Middle East.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16723221/site/newsweek/

  32. .morg
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    JM,When I go out in the world I see Mcdonalds, burger kings, star bucks ect. That’s our culture dude. This isn’t Sparta {ancient greek warrior state} we have remotes for our tvs heated seats for cars. And you guys wonder why were not busting down the door at the army recruiting office. It’s hot in Iraq there’s no electricty sewage in the streets and no cable tv. And the shooting is real and you can’t change the channel.

  33. Posted January 23, 2007 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    “ComradeAmerika <– one-trick pony”

    Or, in the alternative, accurate reporting on a zero-trick president.

    Check out this trick, it’s really amusing:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/23/AR2007012300406.html

    WPE is wrapping this plan to screw the middle class as a way to help the poor. Only Rove and WPE could have even thought of such crap.

    “Yeah, that’s right Morg, there are too many American’t(s).”

    Yeah, that’s right JM, if more a Americans thought postive like our fearless leader, there’d be no problems in Iraq – none, I say!

    If the above were true, it would be the first time mass delusions aided a war effort.

  34. JM
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Morg,

    When I grew up, there were no McDonalds, Burger Kings, Star Bucks, etc. What does a Slave rebellion (aka Sparta) have to do with anything today? Good vascular circulation eliminates the need for heated seats (aka the flabby butts.)

    I’ve been to Syria, Turkey and Israel, so have a good idea of what the middle east is like. You haven’t felt a sweltering heat until you coexist with jungles in South East Asia.

    Back in the day, very few air conditioners existed, there was no cable tv and there were usually just three channels, lucky if you get two of the three.

    A lot of rural towns had limited phone service, rural electrics were just getting started.

    So, I suppose you are saying the U.S. back prior to 1950 wouldn’t have been worth saving either.

  35. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been thinking about the “back door” tax increase Ben posted on yesterday, and have come to the conclusion that this is a way to discourage employer-provided health benefits under the guise of a “tax cut”.

    For years, it has been said that the cost of employer-provided health insurance is making the cost of goods produced and sold by American corporations anti-competitive, often citing other industrialized countries’ companies as not providing same. Well, gee whiz folks, if there is government provided national health care, why would the companies need to provide such a benefit? Perhaps if the cost of such was also “externalized” in the U.S., the labor costs would decrease here, too.

    IF the big deal is to provide a tax policy for social policy benefit, perhaps the appropriate way would be to give the individual taxpayer a refundable dollar for dollar income tax credit for health insurance premiums paid. As most know, a deduction is only worth $$ spent x marginal rate. A dollar for dollar credit would be just that; $1 less in income tax for each $1 spent in premium, and if the $$ spent in premiums exceed the $$ owed in income taxes, let’s refund the difference as a reward for relieving the burden on employers by obtaining our own insurance.

  36. brian
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    VT,Great post – stay tuned to the SOTU tonight to hear a good idea like that turned stupid.

    How about taxing people with good insurance paid for by companies that do have good moral character and want to provide their employees insurance?

  37. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    brian, as posted yesterday, the only reason this is not gross income for income tax purposes is that the Congress provided an exemption therefor in the Code; there exists no economic basis to otherwise exclude the same from gross income.

    By so doing, an earlier Congress and President were promoting a perceived beneficial social policy by providing a tax benefit to the employer, with no corresponding tax burden on the employee. Of course, to realize the full tax benefit of the current code provisions, the company must be a C corporation; restrictions on the full deductibility of these premiums apply to S Corps, Partnerships, and LLCs taxed as partnerships, again, I suspect, to encourage all-inclusive insurance plans rather than plans exclusive to the officer/stockholders, etc.

  38. Ben Huie
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    On passthroughs the taxpayer gets to deduct SE health insurance in a manner a wage-earner cannot. He gets it on page 1 line 29 “above the line” rather than on schedule A with the 7.5% “haircut”

  39. .morg
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    For JM,From WilkopediaSparta (Doric: ??????, Attic: ??????) is a city in southern Greece. In antiquity it was a Dorian Greek militarist polis (citizen city-state), whose territory included Laconia and Messenia, dominating the entirety of the Peloponnese. During Classical times Sparta had reached the status of a World Power, regarding itself as “the natural protector of Greece”[1]. The modern town is situated some kilometres away from the ancient site. Technically, ‘Sparta’ was the name of the ancient town; Lacedaemon, (Greek ??????????), was the wider city-state. Sparta is now normally used for both. The Spartans were believed to be the descendants of Heracles

    Militarism or militarist ideology is the doctrinal view of a society as being best served (or more efficient) when it is governed or guided by concepts embodied in the culture, doctrine, system, or people of the military. Militarists hold the view that discipline is the highest social priority, and claim that the development and maintenance of the military ensures that discipline. Militarism connotes the drive to expand military culture and ideals to areas outside of the military structure —most notably in areas of private business, government policy, education, and entertainment

  40. JM
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Morg,

    I knew that… I wanted to see if you paying attention to what I posted or would you simply looking for anomalies.

    It looks like the latter won out. :)

    dezinformatsiya -Soviet Word translated to English – Disinformation is mostly commonly described as false information created by governments in wartime for military purposes and by totalitarian governments for political purposes in peacetime.

  41. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    True, Ben, and thanks for the additional information. However, the adjustment to income you reference is limited to the earned income from the activity; and any excess is an itemizable deduction on Schedule A, subject to the 7.5% floor. BTW, for anyone who isn’t asleep by now, the discussion above as to S Corps is for a >2% shareholder who also receives wages from the S Corp; if an employee of an S is a <2% shareholder, the corporation takes the deduction on the 1120-S in determining the amount of income that passes through to the shareholders.

    The same rules apply to an LLC and partnership; there must be compsensation received by the partner or member as “earned income” for the adjustment to income to apply; otherwise,or to the extent the pass through deduction for health insurance exceeds the earned income amount, the Schedule A limitations apply.

  42. RD
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    “On passthroughs the taxpayer gets to deduct SE health insurance in a manner a wage-earner cannot.”

    You might be amazed at the number of SE who do not have health insurance.

  43. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    RD, I would not be amazed, based upon a sample of the population of all self-employed persons consisting of my self-employed clients.

  44. Andrew
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    P.S. There IS Cable TV in Iraq. Just 9 channels, but better than nothing.

  45. TRACY
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Alright.Andrew’s back!cool

  46. Ben Huie
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    I would not be amazed either RD. My only point was to illustrate the deductability they have that wage-earners do not have.

  47. Ben Huie
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    g’day andrew!

  48. TRACY
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    This president talking thingy ain’t gonna’ cut in on my american idol is it?

  49. Ben Huie
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    ;^)

    TRACY – I have never watched that show but have seen clips. I’d love to see that one judge do an analysis of BOTH addresses tonight!

  50. JM
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    lol Ben

  51. Ben Huie
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    JM – and note that I said BOTH. I’d love to see ALL politicians get his treatment. ;^)

  52. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Ben, it would be worth watching to see if Simon (is this the right judge, TRACY?) was his usually warm and comforting self in such evaluation.

    Now, removing my tongue from my cheek; I will not be watching the over-produced made for media spectacle tonight, as I have not watched any SOTU address since 1984. I prefer to read transcripts, and see what legislative proposals, etc., emerge later. I guess I got to the point that the SOTU wasn’t worth my time, as carefully as the speech is crafted, designed for maximum media exposure given the length of the typical address, etc. I know, a terrible attitude; but that’s how it is for me.

  53. Posted January 23, 2007 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    This in regard to the Libby trial:

    “Wells displayed a note written by Cheney that said he was ‘not going to protect one staffer (and) sacrifice the guy that was asked to stick his neck in the meat grinder because of the incompetence of others.’

    “Wells said the staffer referred to is Rove, the man who is given credit for directing President George W. Bush’s two successful presidential campaigns.

    “Libby ‘was an important staffer, but Karl Rove was the lifeblood of the Republican Party,’ Wells said.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070123/pl_nm/usa_crime_libby_dc_3

    As the lawyers dig in, and republicans scramble to save their asses, this not going to be pretty. But, I have plenty of popcorn on hand…

  54. Posted January 23, 2007 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Typical Fed move – get the rats to rat each other out…

    Works everytime.

  55. TRACY
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    One thing is for sure,GW wouldn’t make it to the next round on speaking abilities and first impressions.I don’t even think Paula would vote yes when she’s peaking on xannies and vodka.

  56. brian
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Is this really the point in time in which we should change the tax code to remove or reduce the gross income inclusion exemption for employer paid health care premiums?

  57. TRACY
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    brian,If it’s not about sex, booze, god, homos, immigrants, abortion, or evolution…..well, then we don’t have a clue.

  58. TRACY
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Why has astrology been invented? So that economy could be an accurate science.

  59. .morg
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Tracy,you forgot concealed carry

  60. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    brian, not in my (less than) humble opinion. The idea being floated (I believe as a part of an intentional leak on the part of the White House, as oft occurs with a SOTU address) will not make the monthly premium for health insurance any more affordable; and, if the exclusion is repealed, then the employer, citing the additional cost to it of the employer FICA, etal, will likely (in the absence of a collectively bargained agreement) dump the plan. Just my 2 cents.

  61. Ben Huie
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    FICA – that is a major point VT. Even if I can deduct the premiums on schedule A (after the 7.5% haircut) I would still be paying FICA on it – as would my employer.

  62. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Exactly, Ben; this is the proverbial “camel’s nose” in my way of thinking.

  63. Ben Huie
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    I hve a feeling we will not be hearing this idea tonight …

  64. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Agreed, Ben; thus the hypothesis that this was a “leak” to test the waters. BTW, I gleaned from a short piece on cnn.com that the chair of the Senate Finance Committee (IIRC) stated he wouldn’t hold hearings on such a proposal, should it be made.

  65. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    A moment of silence may be in order for E. Howard Hunt who, according to cnn.com, died today at the age of 88.

  66. driabyor
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    REPORT ILLEGALS NOW.. YOUR DAUGHTER MAY BE SAVED

  67. Joe Williams
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    We now need a Passport to go to Mexico. But how come Mexicans don’t need one when they *visit* the USA?

  68. "the real" Ian Santiago
    Posted January 23, 2007 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Quote of the Day:

    “If it came to fighting I’d fight for Mississippi against the United States even if it meant going out into the street and shooting Negroes. After all, I’m not going to shoot Mississippians.” ~ William Faulkner

    Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!