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Wallace S. Broecker won the 2006 prize in geosciences., a professor at Columbia University in Palisades, New York, was honored for his research into the processes of climate changes and the interaction between the atmosphere, the ocean ice and living organisms.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16692479/
The academy said it chose Broecker, 75, because of his “innovative and pioneering research” in explaining how the ocean, atmosphere and biosphere interact with the climate.
I’m not a global warming denier. I know it’s happening. I’m just not convience it will kill us.
Ethanol Fueling a New EconomyProfit margins for ethanol plants are just phenomenal right now; large plants are being paid off in less than a year,” Feltes said.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194773,00.html?sPage=fnc.business/energy
“Cargill’s Staley also said he thought subsidies have skewed the economics of ethanol. The U.S. government gives refiners a tax incentive or subsidy of 51 cents for each gallon of ethanol they blend with gasoline. U.S. President George W. Bush last week said Congress should drop a 54 cent-per-gallon tariff on ethanol imports from Brazil.”
Fron the same link!
Anybody read the story in USAToday, yesterday, about the help Iran offered to the US to stabilize Iraq and end its military support for Hezbollah and Hamas in 2003, but Cheney turned it down? The story came out of London, but so far I have only seen it in the one paper. Where is the liberal media?
Social Security: 5 myths, half-truths and exaggerationshttp://money.cnn.com/2005/01/13/retirement/straight_dope/index.htm
Time’s 25 top 10 Lists
http://www.time.com/time/topten/2006/
Delores,
Are you a complete sucker?
Iran is behind the insurgency and helping fuel it.
Iran is merely playing politics by offering to help.
This would be like you being takin hostage and the kidnapper offering his help to you.
Give me a break…
Here are some questions for you to ponder over about Global Warming:
-How much of this global warming is caused by human causes?
Compare the human input with that of natures.
-Even if we did start enacting half or even all of the things called for by the global warming chicken littles, How much significance would it make in reducing the human impact?
Once again compare that with the totals nature contributes.
Those are just a couple, if you really want to learn something actually study the claim of how humans are causing globabl warming too.
Now, I don’t disclaim that the Earth may indeed be getting warming.
To say that humans are responsible and not only that but somehow we can stop it? That is a whole different story.
Good morning Nathan, JM.Let me slug down a little coffee and I’ll come back and see what the argument flavors of the day are.Looks like we’ve got some really angry Tiller haters still hanging around, but I never could get into that whole argument.
And my damned toes are about frozen right now.Makes it kinda hard to form a serious argument for global warming huh?
Mr. Sandman (Chordettes)(scat: bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum etc …)
Mr. Sandman, empty your pants,We’ve seen you wiggling, they’re not full of ants.Purloining papers won’t land you in clover,Your days in the archives are officially over.Sandman, you’re on your own,Hillary and Bill won’t pick up the phone;Please forget the song and dance,Mr. Sandman, empty your pants.
(scat: bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, etc.)
Mr. Sandman, empty your pants,They’re full of secrets, you haven’t a chance.Produce those papers right here in this room,Don’t force us to rummage through your fruit of the looms.Sandman, we really must scold,For stuffing your stockings, for being so bold.Please forget the song and dance,Mr. Sandman, empty your pants.
(scat: bum, bum, bum, bum, etc.)
Mr. Sandman, (male voice: “Yesss?”)empty your pants,Your trousers are bulging, we can’t look askance.We don’t look kindly on fat thieving varmints,Give us full access to your foundation garments.Mr.Sandman, your leaving’s on hold (leaving’s on hold),Excuses you’ve given…we’re really not sold.So please forget the song and dance,Mr. Sandman, empty, please, please,please,Mr. Sandman, empty your pants.
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/016529.php
Nathan,
Maybe you didn’t read that the Iran deal was offered in 2003.I don’t know what to believe, but anything is possible with this administration, as we have seen. Read for yourself.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6274147.stm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-01-18-US-iran_x.htm
Like I said, it is like the devil offering you his help…
HECK, that is funny.Bill’s admin seemed to have trouble with what they put in and took out of their trousers!
Nathan,That’s part of the problem, you can’t make peace with your enemies if you don’t talk to them.
mulva-Do you really think that talking with the terrorists will bring peace? Kumbaya, baby.
fleettwood,
Have you tried to talk to any lately to find out, baby?
mulva-It’s not polite to answer a question with a question, but think your answer would be no. It just makes you feel good. “If we would only talk to them, all would be crimson and clover”.
Anyone hear about Bush pardoning the border patrol agents?
I seem to recall the US talking to both the USSR and Red China during the Cold War, and even North Korea today.
What does not talking solve?Anthing at all?
Taking does not imply concession nor agreement nor acquiesence.
Diplomacy is not successful in a vacumm.
Mulva,Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is on a world wide ‘Hate America’ tour. Do you really think he wants to help us? If he did, why doesn’t he start by ending his nuclear ambitions.
Diplomacy is not effective in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Palestine, Israel…..
Not if you don’t try- Nothing ventured, nothing gained??
It’s just moronic to think that “talking” to the monsters that kidnap and behead civilians will work.
The Iranian pres is on a slippery slope. His numbers have fallen drastically. I even heard a rumor about impeachment. We’ll see on that one. But while he is still in charge (and on a world wide hate the US tour) how can you honestly say that talking to him would help?
If he wants to do something, why doesn’t he stop his nuclear ambitions??????
Does the “Ostrich” approach really have that good of a track record?
Are these guys worse than Stalin, et al.,? We taked to him didn’t we?
Dream a little dream gster.
Hello
Regarding the smoking in public places, I am a smoker and have always been a outdoor smoker. Not so much for others, but also for me, I hate to smoke inside anywhere. It would not bother me one bit if we could ban smoking from all establishments. I have been trying to quit smoking off and on a long time, always looking for ways and excuses to beat the habit.
Well hello Annie?New here?Welcome.Come on in.Post an opinion and wait on the insults!You don’t have to choose sides,but it irritates the hell outta the wingers if you don’t.
Wow, I’m not sure who to refer you to for the proper insults.Possibly our newbie that posts as’freedom freak’?
Freak, where you at man?We got a newbie that’s not completely irritated and angry (yet)!Anybody else wanna give it a shot?
Try this on for size…
It is the insurance companies that bitch and moan about smoking. It makes them actually GIVE MONEY TO PEOPLE. Nothing more loathed in that industry.
So, lets think about this, how much money have you paid (or had paid on your behalf) to insurance companies vs. how much you used. Howsa boutsa the insurance companies pay for sesation treatments or nicotine replacement treatment?
Anne, welcome to the nut house.
One of my favorite quotes from Broecker:
W.S. Broecker, 1990
“The inhabitants of planet earth are quietly conducting a gigantic environmental experiment. So vast and so sweeping will be the impacts of this experiment that, were it brought before any responsible council for approval, it would be firmly rejected as having potentially dangerous consequences. Yet, the experiment goes on …”
Annie – welcome aboard. I like you comments on smoking; simialr to my late mother’s views. The first time she visited me here she brought a large heavy metal ashtray – that she could use on the porch or in the garage! She stronly believed that she should not subject her grandkids to second-hand smoke.
SolDev8:
Re; “Dream a little dream gster.”
Maybe you can refresh me on the sterling sucesses of “The George Bush School of Non-Talking Diplomacy”. I’m drawing a blank.
By the way, do you honestly think that we aren’t talking to all these guys via “back channel” communications?
You can’t be that naive, or …!
fleettwood,
“being polite”, I didn’t know that was in the Weblog rules.
At this point, I don’t think anything should be ruled out.
“My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators.” Dick Cheney Sept. 2003. See how that worked out. A true leader wouldn’t rule out any options that would put them on the road to peace, but than again we don’t have a true leader.
So, Anne, what is your position on abortion?
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
It wasn’t talking that brought the USSR to it’s knees.
Gstr,Are we talking to armenivalahjabab-the-hut? Nope. Hope you’re not naive enough to think we are either. If we are talking to Iranians, we are talking to the folks who will oust armenivalahjabab-the-hut. Until he is gone, publicized talks will have zero impact.
He is on a world wide ‘HATE THE US’ tour. What makes you think he wants anything to do with us?????
Annie,I can appreciate that you wanna quit, but…why not just quit? Why not “self-impose” requirements on yourself so that you can quit?
If the government is going to legislate health – what’s next? A ban on mashed potatoes?
“He is on a world wide ‘HATE THE US’ tour. What makes you think he wants anything to do with us?????”
Damn Sollie, sounds to me like this is a description of our boy Maliki in Iraq.
Joe Williams,
Global weirding may not kill us, but it’ll probably make life a lot less “pleasant”.
For example, warmer air holds more moisture. Notice any unusually heavy snow and ice storms lately? Those may be “typical” in the future.
On topic of GW, I recommend reading chapter ‘12. Climate: Making Sense AND Making Money’ at, http://www.natcap.org/sitepages/pid20.php (html excerpts, free PDF chapters)
JM,
You might be interested in Chpt 14, ‘A case study of natural capitalism at the metropolitan level.’ Curitiba Brazil = pedestrian malls etc.
Re: It wasn’t talking that brought the USSR to it’s knees.”
That’s true- and you know what was stopped by all those years of talking!
Look, it’s just a tool in the box. Voluntarily refusing to use it doesn’t speed up ,nor effect the final repair. It’s just that simple- don’t you find it odd that a lot of brilliant minds all over the world do and have used this tool, and many quite successfully?
Or are you locked in the world of BushThink?
First of all, the question was about dealing with Iran on their offer to “help” us in 2003.
We are talking to them. We are not simply ignoring them.
so enough with the bad analogies and comparisons already.
What we did not do, was deal with someone we know doesn’t have our best interest at heart.
Big difference.
The Chinese successfully “obliterate” an orbiting satellite with a missile. This, it seems to me, puts our military, inter alia, at danger, given its reliance on GPS, assuming, of course, the Chinese can reach the orbits of the satellites providing the GPS information. Also, the “spy satellites” with their lower orbits would also be at risk.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/01/18/china.missile/index.html
Please support REAL science in our classrooms.From Pat Hayes at RED STATE RABBLE:
Friday, January 19, 2007Action Alert: Kansas School Board VoteAt the last Kansas school board meeting, moderates made it clear that they intend to throw out the intelligent design inspired standards approved last year and replace them with real science.
Moderates have a 6-4 majority on the board now, but creationists haven’t given up the fight. As the moderates were announcing their decision to bring the standards to a vote in February, at least 10 creationist and intelligent design activists took the mike during the public comments period. They argued against changing the standards and delivered a petition with hundreds of signatures opposing the return of real science standards to the state’s public schools.
We have no doubt that moderates will stick to their guns, but we think they could also use our support. I urge supporters of real science education to send an e-mail to moderate members of the board offering your support for their courageous stand in defense of science.
Here’s a list of board members who have said they will vote to dump the Abrams’ standards supported by the Discovery Insitute and the ID Network and for the science standards developed by the majority of the curriculum committee:
Sally Cauble: scauble@swko.netJana Shaver: janashaver@cableone.netJanet Waugh: JWaugh1052@aol.comSue Gamble: MSGamble@swbell.netCarol Rupe” carolrupe@hotmail.comDr. Bill Wagnon: bill.wagnon@washburn.edu
Here are the creationists who may need some polite — and please keep it polite — urging to do the right thing:
Dr. Steve Abrams: sabrams@hit.netJohn Bacon: jwmsbacon@aol.comKenneth Willard: kwillard@cox.netKathy Martin: martinkathy@yahoo.com
# posted by Red State Rabble @ 5:59 AM
Delores – Bush supporters do not think they have to talk to others to solve problems. These people want to go in and start shooting and bombing. They don’t ask questions, they go off half-cocked and shoot first.
The Iraq War will not be solved militarily. It is way past time for a political solution. I do not fee the Malaki Iraqi government is doing their best to bring about a peaceful resolution in their own country. As long as we are there to keep pumping money into Malaki’s government, then where is his incentive to change the status quo?
I always notice that Malaki is well dressed and he looks well fed. Compare to the videos of the leaders of the Iraq government to the videos of the warring sects in Iraq and you tell me if the two worlds are even in the same country.
No matter what this new surge of 21,500 troops will or will not do, I do not believe it will bring an end to the violence unless and until all warring sects in Iraq are brought to the table and hash out their own government and their own country.
We need to get out of the way and let the chips fall where they may. But the US needs to get out with some dignity and to try to leave with some goodwill towards what we thought we were there doing in the first place, to make their country a free and democractic society where all can live in peace.
Uh, sollie, and other uninformed posters…..
The offer to help was made BEFORE the current iranian president was installed.
One of the reasons he was installed? The iranian people wanted progress on iraq and their terrible relations with the U.S. His offer was an attempt to do the will of his people and to stablize iraq.
Silly rabbit. Bushco didnt WANT stablization. They wanted oil.
So, by not working with the less than horrible guy in iran got us what?
The MOST horrible guy as leader of iran.
Nice work. The bushco folks got just what they wanted. Continued war and chaos. And a REALLY evil leader of iran they could use as the next prop to keep american hate whipped up.
Seems to me that it is all working well for bushco and the oil czars. So why would they want to change course? Stay the course is getting them just what they want.
Oh, and btw, of the three countries bush tagged with the axis of evil label? Under bushco’s administration, two of them have developed nuclear capability since 2000. The other one?
We destroyed it when it DIDNT have nukes.
Think the other two are observing and taking notes?
THAT is what not talking will get ya.
All stick or all carrot doesnt work as well as carrot and stick.
But then, bush never learned that lesson, now did he? War president indeed.
Maybe we need a peace president….
” They don’t ask questions, they go off half-cocked and shoot first.”
hee hee hee hee
Isnt that what cheney did just about a year ago?
Shoot first, and identify the target later? Such is the gospel of dead eye dick and his merry band of neocons.
So… how is that working for us?
An interesting perspective from Charles Krauthammer on a need for a “fallback” option in Iraq. While not a fan of his, generally, given the “surge” will happen, his option makes sense to me.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/01/we_need_minimum_exposure_in_re.html
JM,
Good stuff on SS. Thanks for posting! Bush’s plan leaves me in the gray area, and I can’t say I’m pleased about that. I’ve never gotten an answer to what happens to those of us on the “lose SS” side of the line (born a year or 2 after the 1950 cutoff).
Then again, I’ll probably never retire, but I will get half of the ex’s SS when he does. tee hee
Counting the days…
Just for fun…
h t t p : / / w w w .bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sleep/sheep/reaction_version5.swf
AMF, obama, we hardly knew ya! :)
Insight:
This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.
An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.
“He was a Muslim, but he concealed it,” the source said. “His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign.”
When contacted by Insight, Mr. Obama’s press secretary said he would consult with “his boss” and call back. He did not.
Sources said the background check, conducted by researchers connected to Senator Clinton, disclosed details of Mr. Obama’s Muslim past. The sources said the Clinton camp concluded the Illinois Democrat concealed his prior Muslim faith and education.
“The background investigation will provide major ammunition to his opponents,” the source said. “The idea is to show Obama as deceptive.”
In two best-selling autobiographies—”The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream” and “Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance”—Mr. Obama, born in Honolulu where his parents met, mentions but does not expand on his Muslim background, alluding only to his attendance at a “predominantly Muslim school.”
The sources said the young Obama was given the name Hussein by his Muslim father, which the Illinois Democrat rarely uses in public.
His father was black and came from Kenya. Mr. Obama’s mother, the daughter of a farmer, came from Wichita, Kansas. Mr. Obama’s parents divorced when he was two years old. His father returned to Kenya.
Later, Mr. Obama’s mother married an Indonesian student and the family moved to Jakarta. Mr. Obama returned to Hawaii when he was 10 to live with his maternal grandparents.
The sources said the background check concerned Mr. Obama’s years in Jakarta. In Indonesia, the young Obama was enrolled in a Madrassa and was raised and educated as a Muslim. Although Indonesia is regarded as a moderate Muslim state, the U.S. intelligence community has determined that today most of these schools are financed by the Saudi Arabian government and they teach a Wahhabi doctrine that denies the rights of non-Muslims.
Although the background check has not confirmed that the specific Madrassa Mr. Obama attended was espousing Wahhabism, the sources said his Democratic opponents believe this to be the case—and are seeking to prove it. The sources said the opponents are searching for evidence that Mr. Obama is still a Muslim or has ties to Islam.http://moderntribalist.blogspot.com/
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Ian! The left on this blog has already discredited that article. Because it came from a conservative website, it isn’t true. It’s just a smear tatic from the right.
They aren’t going to care. Democrats do no wrong, Democrats do not smear, and Democrats do not dig dirt on each other.
Yeah, when they find out Obama’s mother was from Wichita… he is toast… jk
Sam, I heard that.How interesting.I’ll have to check out the Bio.
“This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.”
This was posted by Joe Williams on another thread – it’s origins are from the far right conservative online magazine Insight. It is what a CONSERVATIVE MAGAZINE SAID THAT HILLARY SAID.
That does not make it true.
The wording of the story is verbatim from the Insight mag story.
Just another steaming pile of right wing nonsense.
Ian Santiago and Joe Williams – now that’s a pair for you!
Is it against the rules to run for president if you have islamic relatives?
Now I could understand it if the guy was a mixed breed immigrant who was also stupid enough to be racist, or some really stewpud shit like that, yeah.I could understand if that immediatly excluded him from a lot of things. Yep.
Clarkie,
If the allegations are untrue then why doesn’t oobamma jus come right out and deny them?
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Quote of the Day:
Take the government propaganda backed by federal laws forcing people to be ashamed and frightened to even acknowledge the slightest of differences between the races. The power of p.c. has corrupted the media to such an extent that even conservative newspapers are full of odious drivel about hate crimes and diversity. All crimes are hate crimes, but the pleonasm comes in handy for those who insist the white man is a devil. Christian communities are being attacked by the liberal culture via television and the movies, while our colleges and universities have been reduced to “assembly-line factories that turn out sensitive, nonjudgmental anti-intellectuals, the worst of whom are hired to keep the machinery running” (Thomas Fleming in Chronicles).
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
“predominantly Muslim school.”
If he attended public school in Jakarta that is undoubtedly true. So what? I attended a predominately Protestant school in which daily Protestant prayer and King James Bible readings were required. That was the public school system at that time and place.
That does not make me Protestant nor does it make Obama Muslim. Not that either really matter.
I find it interesting that the Muslim school is funded by the Saudi Arabian government. We are to discredit Sen Obama becaus he attended a school that was funded by Saudis? Isn’t President Bush and the rest of the Bush family very good friends with the Saudis?
So to make this leap about Sen Obama being a negative because he attended a Muslim school funded by Saudi Arabian government, then are we to make the same leap that President Bush and the entire Bush family as negative because they are friends with the Saudis?
Which is it – Saudis bad or Saudis good?
CS,
Those so-called “British muslims” who blew up the bus and subway in London attended Saudi funded islamic “schools”.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Cs,Most of the voting public will not research ¼ of what you have. They will hear that he is (was) Muslim, attended a Muslim school, and that will be about the end of it.
What is interesting is that Hillary is ALREADY playing this dirty. I hope people see that a possible (former) Muslim is FAR better than that back stabbing step-on-anyone-to-succeed scum Hillary.
“If the allegations are untrue then why doesn’t oobamma jus come right out and deny them?”
You are ASSuming, Ia, that this non-story has even been brought to Senator Obama’s attention. I am sure that the senator from Illinois spends very little time at the Free Republic or Insight websites.
A candidate cannot spend all his time addressing every looney theory that pops up.
For instance, GWB has never responded to:
Where he was during the last years of his TANG duty.
How many times he has been arrested for cocaine related offenses.
How he got away with forcing Robin Lowman to have an abortion.
Why he was involved in insider trading with Arbusto.
Hmmmm – actually, those are not looney theories, but you get the point.
WSCLARK- Oh my God, now you’ve done it!!Here “they” come!!
Duck!
Reports are circulating into the McCain campaign investigating the fact that not only was GWB USING cocaine while he was AWOL from TANG he was actually DEALING the stuff. Reliable sources tell us that McCain has learned that 138 Guardsmen were discharged due to positive drug tests and they all finger Bush as their supplier.
Word is that Bush was dealing cocaine that his father smuggled into the country in order to pay for his girlfriend’s abortion.
http://www.Ihatemccain.org
WSC,Dream a little dream brother. This one is going to be big. If he has a staff that is worth more than dried turds, you bet your butt he’s heard about it.
My guess is that he is waiting for either more steam behind it, or looking for a way to cool it.
Be it what it may, that really doesn’t change the way I think about him, but to the majority of the voting public, it will probably make some kind of dent in their decision.
So, I guess I missed the part of the constitution that says only candidates with APPROVED religions can be president.
Who cares if he WAS muslim?
I thought this was a war on terra, not a war on islam.
heheheheh. Guess I was wrong and bushco lied again.
It really IS about islam and the dominion of christians over the entire world.
Please tell me again how you all are NOT dominionists?
Sorry, SDVB, but this is just an Internet blog story. It has no legs and no validity.
I would hope that the American electorate has moved beyond “his daddy did…..”
Those that will not vote for Obama because of this story would not have voted for Barack Obama anyway.
This isn’t going to change anyone’s mind.
But I will venture this theory – it is certainly not politically correct or even advisable to suggest that people should not vote for Obama because he is black, so this is the next best thing for those of that mindset.
This is just KKK racism in another package.
Osama Obama <– only s senator because Mike Ditka chose not to run.
Osama Obama <– will not survive this firestorm. Our country will never elect a muslim president.
Buh bye, Osama Obama, your 15 minutes are over.
DA,You seem more civil lately. No F-bombs. Did you see your therapist? Did you take the xanax/prozac/valium cocktail that I suggested?
Good boy.
golfer – there you go again. His name is NOT Osama and he is NOT Muslim.
Hitting the bottle a bit early today?
Yikes, even in Poland blacks act like blacks and leftists like leftists. So much for Poland’s ANTIFASCIST of the year.
http://www.polskieradio.pl/polonia/article.asp?tId=46854&j=2Cameroonian activist charged with intentionally spreading HIV in Poland06.01.2007
ToolsprintrecommendlinkpodcastingPolish Police is looking for women who have had sexual contact with the Cameroonian refugee, poet and journalist Simon Moleke, who has been charged and arrested for intentionally infecting women with the HIV virus.
Moleke is known in Poland for his poetry and involvement in leftist activism. It is feared that he has purposefully infected at least several Polish women. The case has surfaced only recently, but as records on the internet forum of the Green Party website show, the intentional spreading of HIV by Moleke might have been known to the leftist activist circles as early as over half a year ago
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!
For Democrats only.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/debate_big_oil_captions.wmv
ksgolfnut myspace profile
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=97888204
OH, oh, morty the “k” is back with more myspace slander.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
That’s neat shadow…however, I:
Am not divorcedDon’t smokeAm 6′2Am not NECKCAR fanDo have more than a HS educationDon’t make 30k-45k/year
The answer to Global Warming is…42.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
FP
This is just one of MANY reasons why I think accessibility to students by parents is SO important.
http://www.wftv.com/news/10792492/detail.html
note on previous stories at the bottom, 6 other teachers apparently knew and ignored the abuse.
Interesting non-confirmed item out that someone from Hillary Clinton’s camp is stating that Obama attended a Madrassa as a boy while in Indonesia.
Not sure what that has to do with the price of corn in Iowa, but there it is.
Couldn’t find another source for it, so it may be a dead fish used for smell factor.
Looks like we could have another ruby ridge. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070119/ap_on_re_us/tax_evader_1
I find this interesting if the gov. moves in there’s a high probability that there will be bloodshed, if the government caves it could encourage more people to not pay taxes, and to exercise their 2nd amendment and fight the gov.
An interesting strategy would be to surround the property and allow nothing in or out. Let them starve.
Also arrest his wife and clean her out. then ship her to Guantanamo.
I recommend that they clear him of all tax related charges, then when he appears in court to get the relief, arrest him for obstruction of justice. :)
Dingus – it would be ironic – Bush 1 had Ruby Ridge and now Bush 2 …
Yeah and they call libs unamerican. We’re not advocating taking up arms against the government and police.
If you break the law, you cannot lock yourself in your house and get away with it.
Hey kokonut, it is very AMERICAN to take up arms and resist an evil, arrogant, tyranical and illegitimate government!
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!
Not in this case nutjob.
Crack open a history book, dumbass, and read about the American Revolution!
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Well, Ian, go ahead and try it, we’ll attend your funeral.
The time is coming, Clarkie, when there will be thousands of Ruby Ridge type incidents all over America. Why do you think that shrub has been buying land in Paraguay and the clintons have been buying land in Tasmania?
Viva la Revolucion Blanco!!
Nobody takes you seriously, even if you were serious.
Nothing more than a squeaky little twat.
“The time is coming, Clarkie,”
I am sincerely sorry, Santiago, but you folks that think that you can stand up to the American military individually really crack me up.
Sorry, Ian, but they have tanks, fighters, bombers, RPG, thousands of troops, SEAL’s, Rangers, Marines, aircraft carriers, destroyers, nu-cu-lar weapons, the CIA, FBI, DEA, and more!
Pucker up the hindmost, Ian, they are coming for you!
Yup, peemom, she sure knows her twats!! Isn’t it conjugal visit time? lmsarfao
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Clarkie,
Didn’t you read the article about all those neo-nazis and skinheads who have been joining the military?:)
Did you not notice what happened to the Yugoslav military once fighting started in the Balkans? Don’t kid youself, the clock is ticking.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Yeah, if you don’t mind, Ian, can you give us all about 48 hours notice when you folks plan on taking on the US military? Please.
Something tells me that it could get real ugly and you are going to be on the losing side.
I really don’t need to see all those broken and bloody bodies of the right wing fools.
Give us a little notice – we would like to be at a safe distance.
Thanks.
Well….
Not having read the link, I will not comment on whoever it is that is holed up wherever they are.
I can see a time when armed conflict comes to America. Though I think mine and Ians version or reason for it might differ……a lot.
Jefferson had a great quote on revolution being necessary now and again. Wish I could remember it.
Tanks technology and aircraft?
Uh huh.
Um…..we have all that in Iraq. How’s that working out against a determined resistance?
No if you wish to fear, fear that the bush intrusion into communications and information might make a necessary revolution impossible.
ksfarmrrl,
Sorry for the late reply to your post at 11:15. Just got caught up on reading the follow ups to my post about the 2003 offer from Iran.Thank God for your brain, are you a Democrat? You are the only one that realize the offer from Iran came before Ahmadinejad became President. Seems like the righties on this blog open their mouths before they research. Oh well, that’s also our problem in the middle east, people running the show know nothing of the culture.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/19/fox-obama-madrassa/“As a child, Obama spent four years in Indonesia with his step-father, a non-practicing Muslim, and his mother.Between ages 6 and 8, Obama attended a local Muslim school in Jakarta; after that, he was enrolled in a Roman Catholic school. In his book ‘Dreams Of My Father’ (p.142), Obama writes:
In Indonesia, I’d spent 2 years at a Muslim school, 2 years at a Catholic school. In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies. …”——’Right-wing media figures claim Clinton behind Obama/Muslim smears’http://mediamatters.org/items/200701200003
‘Say Anything’ (about the Clintons)http://mediamatters.org/items/200701200002#1“As if anyone needed more proof that the political media can and will say anything about the Clintons, no matter how baseless, insulting, or far-fetched, The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank came through with a handy reminder. …”
I’m sorry cosmos! But those links are from a left wing source. Meaning that what ever they post is false. It has no credibility.
In other news. Bill Richardson is expected to make a run for President.
Now this guy has a real chance. A pro-business Democrat with huge experience in foreign relations and well respected, could be the 1st Hispanic President of the USA.
Now this is a Democrat I would vote for. :) Bill Richardson is my man!
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/19/D8MOJS580.html
Didn’t he have the world record for shaking the most hands in a single day?
Joe Williams,
It’s easier to just post BDP fleet’s link, ;)http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/01/open_thread_17.html#comment-27938397
Attack the messenger!
“I’m sorry cosmos! But those links are from a left wing source. Meaning that what ever they post is false. It has no credibility.” So what is a creditable source to you Joe?
I’m just being sarcastic Delores. Since WSClark always says that any link that goes to a right wing website as noncredibile and full of lies, then I suggested that left wing sites were also.
But let’s take a test.
Is this true or false.
http://www.yikers.com/video…_a_real_product.htmlIt is work safe
Hey, Joe, I said that a far rightwingfullofshitrushlimhannnityobillosavagefullofcrapwing website was not credible.
There is a difference.
I’m feeling really dumb Joe, can you explain your reasoning for sending me to that link Joe?
Nathan–
I’m surprised that someone who studied engineering never heard of ANOVA and MANOVA.
This is standard procedure that analyzes how much influence multiple causes play in an outcome.
You can’t say that modern climatologists don’t know how to ferret out various causes of global warming without saying that the entire scientific process of doing research is in error.
Capn,
ANOVA and MANOVA are statistical analysis terms, not necesarily engineering terms. I learned them in medical statistics and epidemiology.
I suppose if someone wanted variable study of some process, it might be useful, especially if study some ‘thing’ under some sort of stress.
Nathan,
“Compare the human input with that of natures.”
CO2 levels? They were in a natural equilibrium of around 280 ppm before the Industrial Revolution — now it’s at 380 ppm, and STILL CLIMBING!
You actually believe that that large, human-caused rise in CO2 isn’t causing and/or wont cause global warming?
Sleep well, floggytesticles. For tomorrow, we duel.
hehe.
(yes that was meant to sound really really cheesy)
“Those so-called “British muslims” who blew up the bus and subway in London attended Saudi funded islamic “schools”.”
So does that mean that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were Muslim? And the pro-lifers who blow up abortion clinics are Muslim, too?
Hmmmmmm….