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Mabuhay from the Philippines… and welcome to my vacation from hell.The ice storm delayed by takeoff from ICT by nearly 3 hours, my luggage never left Chicago, and my tickets were stolen in Hong Kong.I’ve been playing im tag with my fiancee ever since I got here.I called United to get replacement tickets, and nobody would answer the phone at their office in Manila.So, I went to Phillipine Airlines to see if they could help. They had a great sign at the door–”Please deposit all weapons in the guard”.They tried to help…at one point there were a dozen of them calling United…the phones just kept ringing.Finally, somebody got their address and I went there. The wait was so long, 2 people were actually sleeping in the lobby… and one of them was snoring!I finally demanded to speak to a supervisor, and when she came out, I did my best Bobby Knight impression and three more clerks came out to help everyone.Still, at 5, the person helping me said she wasn’t done yet, and I would have to come back tomorrow.Anyway, my lady love finally got transportation from Quezon City, so have fun at the blog meet-up and tell Williams I didn’t say hello.
Mr. C: I think you put your finger on what is wrong with our Wichita airport and probably most other airports.
My sister flew into Wichita from Phoenix Christmas week. Her luggage was promptly lost. In fact we were told a high percentage of luggage is routinely lost but I don’t recall the percentage. After filling out forms for a couple extra hours, the luggage finally miraculously arrived the next day.
Even though the airport terminal was busy, I didn’t see a lack of space for air travelors.
I DID SEE A LACK OF AIRPORT PERSONNEL TO SERVE TRAVELORS. The one lady we talked to was friendly but she was obviously trying to do the job of several people.
So, rather than build a new airport, the airport needs to be STAFFED ADEQUATELY to help existing passengers. Of course, there was no lack of airport security people to continuously warn you to move your car as soon as you pull up.
I’m sorry but it looks like a Mickey Mouse operation to me.
In my opinion, it would be nice if the State Department nails you for something.
It is of my opinion that you are going over to the Philippines to practice on a young woman that is frowned upon here in the USA.
It is of my opinion that you are a dirty old man.
Check out Old Joe.
He’s a free marketier and wants gov’t out of everything UNTIL some guy wants to marry a younger foreign woman.
Then she has no “choice” and “rights” even though she’s an adult and needs to be protected by big gov’t.
Hmmm . . .
Now I know why Joe wants to build that tower of his.
So he can stand on it pronounce judgement on people he does not know.
Someday, Joe is gonna complete his sojourn to the right and become a full fledged fundie whackaloon.
My oh my … Little Joe is cranky this morning.
And maybe a little envious?
Pentagon planners this week warned President George W. Bush that his “troop surge” plan could double U.S. casualties in Iraq in the coming year and result in 10,000 or more American deaths by the end of 2008. (with more than 100,000 wounded and/or maimed for life.) In a classified assessment memo, military experts predicted violence against U.S. troops will increase “at a sustained pace” and concluded that increasing the use of soldiers for house to house searches in Baghdad will “dramatically alter” the “ratio of casualties to actions” in that civil-war torn city, says a military source familiar with the memo.
In an appearance before the Senate Armed Services committee Thursday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice refused to provide an estimate of U.S. casualties, saying such estimates are not possible but the Pentagon assessment had been delivered to the White House on Tuesday, two days before her testimony.
Military planners, as a matter of course, prepare casualty estimates as part of any action.
Senators from both sides of the aisle told Rice they did not believe her testimony, saying too many Bush administration officials have lied to Congress too many times.
Has anyone ever thought about creating their own Wichita board, independent of the Eagle…where we could leave this unmoderated board and reconvene elsewhere?
YES. DO IT. PLEASE?
And I’m getting damned tired of the autobot thing.Sheesh
It’s curious how ad hominem attacks are condemned by CapnAmerica, unless he/she wants to call someone a dumbass or willfully stupid. More moral confusion. And tough talk for a peace activist, I might add.
A private blog can be set up on My Space and it can be secured.
Anyone interested?
If I get enough positive responses, I will set it up this week…..
BTW – I have been thinking of doing this for a while……
Pmom,Why don’t you elaborate on what you have in mind. What would this new board do, that this one doesn’t?
No not like myspace, like message board format, where everyone can post, but moderated. I created a yahoo group once, but nobody ever came.
Hey, Clarkie, will I be invited to participate, I hate shrub too???? :)
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Steven, get the trolls out of the discussion!
In case you’re interested, the address to my yahoo group is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KansasPoliticsandLife/
You can see it’s been dead for awhile.
Mom.We’ve got that at the Salina Journal, but nobody wanted to go there.It’s a good set-up.I’d be more than happy to frequent a new board if we can get some regulars from here to keep it busy.That’s the main problem with SJ boards, nobody comments frequently enough to get anything interesting going.
I’d be glad to contribute.Everyone is entitled to MY opinion.HA
I agree, I wish more would come to the SJ boards too.
I’m just sick of the trolls here.
I would come PMom, but I don’t have the “correct” views to be a member of your group.
The group was open to all opinions, just not trolls.
How sad the owners of this board have not found it important enough to write about MLK day.
Sounds like people are interested – I will set up a trial run. All will be welcome.
That would include JM and Ian (not that JM and Ian are from the same mindset.)
No trolls.
Israel, Israel, our only friend!! What a joke!
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=19169By Sylvie Lanteaume – JERUSALEM
Israel announced a settlement expansion in the West Bank Monday, dealing a blow to US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as she held talks with Israel’s premier on jumpstarting the dormant Middle East peace process.
The housing ministry invited bids for construction of 44 new housing units in the largest settlement in the occupied West Bank, Maale Adumim.
The news of the first tenders announced this year came as Rice and Olmert were meeting one-on-one for more than two hours at the premier’s Jerusalem residence.
Palestinians and the Peace Now anti-settlement watchdog group warned the move jeopardized the international roadmap to Middle East peace — a plan that Rice has been pushing on her regional tour.
“Israel must make a choice between peace and settlements. It cannot have both,” said Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erakat. “It’s defying the international community and undermining Secretary of State Rice’s peace efforts.”
Announcing the bids for the settlement on the last day of Rice’s trip to Israel and the Palestinian territories “is just spitting in the face of the American government,” said Peace Now spokesman Yariv Oppenheimer….
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
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P Mom, we discussed MLK last September. Do you remember? You can go back and celebrate that discussion if you want. As I recall you pretty much chumped off all of the principles that animated his movement at that time? Here is part of that discussion, from Sept 27. I repost it here, in memory of the King, and in celebration of the sacred American duty to engage in a bit of civil disobedience when appropriate:
Political mom,interesting analysis. Are you a KU prof by any chance? Or a Kansas journalist?Let’s see how your principles work out in reality:
Civil disobedients: Thomas Jefferson and John Adams authors of the Declaration of Independence, a revolutionary document that called forth civil disobedience on a continental scale.DISCREDITED. THEY WERE LAWBREAKERS WHO WORKED AGAINST THE MONARCHY’S RIGHT TO DIVINE RULECivil disobedients: Henry David Thoreau and Sojourner Truth for standing up to the power of the slave owning society. . Thoreau, like Bryan, did a stint in jail for a righteous cause.DISCREDITED. THEY WERE LAWBREAKERS WHO WORKED AGAINST THE RIGHT OF SLAVE OWNERS TO THEIR “PROPERTY.”Civil disobedients: Cesar Chavez, founder of the United Farm Workers Union and Doris Day, founder of the Catholic Workers Movement. Both of these great Catholic lay leaders engaged in samesocial protest tactics as Brown and both were arrested for such activities.DISCREDITED. THEY WERE LAWBREAKERS WHOWORKED AGAINST THE RIGHT OF PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE OWNERS OF PRODUCTION.Civil disobedients: Cecil Roberts and Richard Trumka of the United Mine Workers of America, credited with bringing nonviolent civil disobedience methods to the 1989-90 Pittston Coal strike.DISCREDITED BECAUSE THEY WORKED AGAINST THE RIGHT OF PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE OWNERS OF PRODUCTION.Civil disobedients: Reverend Martin Luther king, Jr., Rosa Parks and Atlanta Mayor Andrew Young, as well as hundreds of thousands of other brave souls who marched, sat at the front of the bus and at the “wrong lunch counters,” and assembled unlawfully to bring an end to the racial divide in America.DISCREDITED. THEY WERE LAWBREAKERS WHO WORKED TO DENY SHOPOWNERS THE PROPERTY RIGHT TO SERVE WHOEVER THEY WANTED.
IBGG, there are vast differences in what you are trying to compare to.
1. Civil disobedience for freeing the rights of others, is one thing.
2. Acting like terrorists to REMOVE the rights of others, is totally different.
Well said P-Mom. Spoken like King George III, slaveowners, truck crop plantation owners, mine owners, lunch counter operators.
You must be, like them, always right on such matters?
Do not hijack this thread, on MLK day, to bring abortion to the table.
No way fetus fanatic.
P Mom,I think what you mean to say is what the federal courts seem to always say. “This is abortion on demand, and so all other rules must fall down and worship.” Unfettered access, no dissent to be tolerated, very little regulation, even to keep women safe from animals like the filthy “doctor” in KC, is to be tolerated.Such thinking has given America the most regulation free access to abortion in the history of the world. For all nine months of gestation.
Since no “thinking person” could ever question this status quo ante (that essentially allows the back alley practitioners to open up on Main Street, with less govt oversight than the local veterinarian has,) then we can call anyone who dares dissent a “kook.”
There. Does that about nail it for you?
Ignatius Brown,
Are you the great grandson of Charles Ignatius Brown of Topeka or the Professor from Ohio?
Sigh. Troy Newman dude you really should give it up. It is really pathetic I must say to try to compare yourself to MLK or his noble works.
And again, as usual and very true to form for SO many of you and your nuts, you try to spread a lie that veterinarian clinics have more regulations. No.
Abortion clinics have the same regulations that ANY OTHER SURGERY CENTER has. And you know it.
I would have to say that it takes a rather large pair to even suggest that Troy Newman should be compared to Doctor Martin Luther King, Jr.
In my humble opinion, Dr. King was the greatest American ever.
Period.
Troy Newman is just a far right, fundie Christian nut case.
JM, neither one, although I have kin around Dayton. Ignatius Brown, 1781-1820, mustered troops during the War of 1812. He lived around Hagarstown, Maryland.
Back to MLK. P Mom is correct, we should honor his memory today. I just read his letter from the B’ham jail again. Wow! He was, in the words of many who blog here, a total fundy freak, religious wack-job. To inspire all, I submit here my favs from that letter. It is long, so only the WE Eds could post it all….which they are unlikely to do, since it is so blatantly Christian in authorship.
(Oh, Ian, this bud’s for you, too…)
April 16, 1963MY DEAR FELLOW CLERGYMEN:While confined here in the Birmingham city jail, I came across your recent statement calling my present activities “unwise and untimely.”Several months ago the affiliate here in Birmingham asked us to be on call to engage in a nonviolent direct-action program if such were deemed necessary.. Just as the prophets of the eighth century B.C. left their villages and carried their “thus saith the Lord” far beyond the boundaries of their home towns, and just as the Apostle Paul left his village of Tarsus and carried the gospel of Jesus Christ to the far corners of the Greco-Roman world, so am I. compelled to carry the gospel of freedom beyond my own home town.. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny.. I am sure that none of you would want to rest content with the superficial kind of social analysis that deals merely with effects and does not grapple with underlying causes.In any nonviolent campaign there are four basic steps: collection of the facts to determine whether injustices exist; negotiation; self-purification; and direct action..On the basis of these promises, the Reverend Fred Shuttlesworth and the leaders of the Alabama Christian Movement for Human Rights agreed to a moratorium on all demonstrations.We had no alternative except to prepare for direct action, whereby we would present our very bodies as a means of laying our case before the conscience of the local and the national community.. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half-truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, we must we see the need for nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood.The purpose of our direct-action program is to create a situation so crisis-packed that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation.One of the basic points in your statement is that the action that I and my associates have Individuals may see the moral light and voluntarily give up their unjust posture; but, as Reinhold Niebuhr has reminded us, groups tend to be more immoral than individuals.We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men are no longer willing to be plunged into the abyss of despair.. One may won ask: “How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?” The answer lies in the fact that there fire two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the Brat to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws.A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas: An unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust.One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty. I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was “legal” and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was “illegal.”I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fan in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress.In your statement you assert that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. Isn’t this like condemning Jesus because his unique God-consciousness and never-ceasing devotion to God’s will precipitated the evil act of crucifixion?. Human progress never rolls in on wheels of inevitability; it comes through the tireless efforts of men willing to be co-workers with God, and without this ‘hard work, time itself becomes an ally of the forces of social stagnation. We must use time creatively, in the knowledge that the time is always ripe to do right.I am grateful to God that, through the influence of the Negro church, the way of nonviolence became an integral part of our struggle.Oppressed people cannot remain oppressed forever. So I have not said to my people: “Get rid of your discontent.” Rather, I have tried to say that this normal and healthy discontent can be channeled into the creative outlet of nonviolent direct action. And now this approach is being termed extremist.The other, Jeans Christ, was an extremist for love, truth and goodness, and thereby rose above his environment. Perhaps the South, the nation and the world are in dire need of creative extremists.And I have watched many churches commit themselves to a completely other worldly religion which makes a strange, unBiblical distinction between body and soul, between the sacred and the secular.Yes, I love the church. How could I do otherwise? l am in the rather unique position of being the son, the grandson and the great-grandson of preachers. Yes, I see the church as the body of Christ. But, oh! How we have blemished and scarred that body through social neglect and through fear of being nonconformists.. In those days the church was not merely a thermometer that recorded the ideas and principles of popular opinion; it was a thermostat that transformed the mores of society. Whenever the early Christians entered a town, the people in power became disturbed and immediately sought to convict the Christians for being “disturbers of the peace” and “outside agitators”‘ But the Christians pressed on, in the conviction that they were “a colony of heaven,” called to obey God rather than man. Small in number, they were big in commitment. They were too God intoxicated to be “astronomically intimidated.” By their effort and example they brought an end to such ancient evils as infanticide. and gladiatorial contests.Things are different now. So often the contemporary church is a weak, ineffectual voice with an uncertain sound. So often it is an archdefender of the status quo. Par from being disturbed by the presence of the church, the power structure of the average community is consoled by the church’s silent and often even vocal sanction of things as they are.. But now I must affirm that it is just as wrong, or perhaps even more so, to use moral means to preserve immoral ends. As T. S. Eliot has said: “The last temptation is the greatest treason: To do the right deed for the wrong reason.”.One day the South will know that when these disinherited children of God sat down at lunch counters, they were in reality standing up for what is best in the American dream and for the most sacred values in our Judaeo-Christian heritage, thereby bringing our nation back to those great wells of democracy which were dug deep by the founding fathers in their formulation of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.Yours for the cause of Peace and Brotherhood,MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
P-Mom,OK, no more about the a-word. (Unless you want to discuss it, that is.)
Blacks were forced, just like hispanics, into Christianity at the end of a sword.
It is only fitting that the religion also be used to remove their oppression as well.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!
Why do I remember PoliticalMom professing being a Christian? Guess it’s my fuzzy memory.
WS Clark, we sure could use your balanced wisdom here now. Since MLK was the best man you ever knew, I am certain that you will defend him from the charge of Christian zealotry. Won’t you? Looks like P-Mom views him as much the same as Margaret Sangor did. (No big surprise there.)
I have the utmost respect for what MLK did.
I don’t know what Margaret Sangor’s ideal of MLK was, nor do I really care. And yes, I do know who she was. And yes, I have taken a course on civil disobedience myself, just in case I need to defend my own rights from nutjobs like you who wish to decide what is best for me.
I thought you were going to leave abortion out of it? Can’t do it can you Troy boy?
JM, I’ve never professed to being a Christian as an adult.
“Steven, get the trolls out of the discussion!”
I am getting back to this thread kind of late. Thanks for the link to the yahoo blog.
How do bloggers here define “troll”. The one character who will post dumb stuff like: “I’m Pmom and I’m an idiot” under Pmom’s nic is obviously a troll. But are others included in this definition? When is someone 1) a person with whom we disagree vs. 2) a troll?
Any chance we could go back to talking about picking up Filipino women? I’ve heard some things about them involving chrome and trailer hitches and i’d like to get more specifics.
Also, I would like a show of hands for interest in a website geared to naughty mennonite women.I hear “blackcapsluts.com” is still available.
Well, love as always.
Russell
Well I’m planning to leave this blog after the meetup. I’m just tired of the trolls, the signins…
But I will miss the people who really like the discussions.
So I’ll still be on the SJ message boards, in case Testicles has stalking DT’s.
Troll definition in regards to this blog appears to someone using anonymous login to assert a point of view that may be controversial or not welcomed.
Trolling by definition in other types of forums that I have visited appears to be anyone who goes off topic or for the purpose of bumping the thread for no other reason than to draw attention to the thread or themselves.
And troll in P-Mom’s parlance is rumored to include those who engage her in debates that she is about to lose.
Nonsense, Brown, P Mom is trolled and stalked more than anyone else on this blog.
ig – this is an example of what most of us call trolling. Posting under your name … (although I didn’t type it all … )
ok, SORRY P-mom if I was too hard on you. But you slapped at me first. Now stay on your side of the car seat and dad will not have to spank either of us today.
AND NOW, IN CELEBRATION OF MLK DAY, A WORD FROM PLANNED PARENTHOOD ABOUT THE USEFULNESS OF AFRICAN AMERICAN MINISTERS
Prior to 1939, Sanger’s “outreach to the black community was largely limited to her Harlem clinic and speaking at black churches.”35 Her vision for “the reproductive practices of black Americans” expanded after the January 1939 merger of the Clinical Research Bureau and the American Birth Control League to form the Birth Control Federation of America. She selected Dr. Clarence J. Gamble, of the soap-manufacturing company Procter and Gamble, to be the BCFA regional director of the South.Gamble wrote a memorandum in November 1939 entitled “Suggestions for the Negro Project,” in which he recognized that “black leaders might regard birth control as an extermination plot.” He suggested black leaders be placed in positions where it would appear they were in charge.36 Yet Sanger’s reply reflects Gamble’s ambivalence about having blacks in authoritative positions:I note that you doubt it worthwhile to employ a full-time Negro physician. It seems to me from my experience … that, while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors, they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table, which means their ignorance, superstitions and doubts. They do not do this with white people and if we can train the Negro doctor at the clinic, he can go among them with enthusiasm and … knowledge, which … will have far-reaching results among the colored people.37Another project director lamented:I wonder if Southern Darkies can ever be entrusted with … a clinic. Our experience causes us to doubt their ability to work except under white supervision.38Sanger knew blacks were a religious people—and how useful ministers would be to her project. She wrote in the same letter:The minister’s work is also important and he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members [emphasis added].39The Negro ProjectMargaret Sanger’s Eugenic Plan for Black AmericansBy Tanya L. Greenposted at Concerned Women of America
Troy boy I said I’d leave the blog after the meetup. I’m not running away from you.
You’ve not brought anything to support your allegations to the table at all, except the fact that YOU said they were true.
So as far as winning as me losing this argument, hardly.
In honor of MLKJ day:
In OUR future thinking & practices: No racism ALLOWED!No idiotic male chauvinism or bigoted discrimination ALLOWED!No ideological or religious motivated terroristic stupidity ALLOWED!No xenophobic isolationism, dumb criminality,abusive exploitation or violence against women and children,nor avaricious global exploitation of humanity ….ALLOWED!
Tracy,Better rid us of the First Amendment first, so that the Priests of the Temple of Syrnix (and priestesses) can decide what we can discuss.
Check out Judge Alito’s opinion in Saxe v. SCASD, 3rd circuit, 2001. Your ideas of censorship were therein rejected. (as elsewhere in constitutional law) But do feel free to try to yet sell whatever speech restricting nonsense you push, as long as you do not do it as a government agent. (But do keep the Who’s greatest hits in mind while trying to set yourself up as the new boss.)
Ian, this would be a fine time for you to say something outrageous as a celebration of our right to say things Tracy does not like to hear.
Take it away, Ian.
Oh, and P-mom, as for corroboration. Unlike Ian’s strange brew, everything I have posted today can be authenticated via Google.
So go google (it) youself.
AH Troy the spin.
Through the years, a number of alleged Sanger quotations, or allegations about her, have surfaced with regularity in anti-family planning publications:
“More children from the fit, less from the unfit — that is the chief issue in birth control.”A quotation falsely attributed to Margaret Sanger, this statement was made by the editors of American Medicine in a review of an article by Sanger. The editorial from which this appeared, as well as Sanger’s article, “Why Not Birth Control Clinics in America?” were reprinted side-by-side in the May 1919 Birth Control Review (Sanger, 1919b).
“The mass of ignorant Negroes still breed carelessly and disastrously, so that the increase among Negroes, even more than the increase among whites, is from that portion of the population least intelligent and fit, and least able to rear their children properly.”Another quotation falsely attributed to Margaret Sanger, this was actually written for the June 1932 issue of the Birth Control Review by W.E.B. DuBois, founder of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). Taken out of the context of his discussion about the effects of birth control on the balance between quality-of-life considerations and race-survival issues for African-Americans, Dubois’ language seems insensitive by today’s standards.
“Blacks, soldiers, and Jews are a menace to the race.”This fabricated quotation, falsely attributed to Sanger, was concocted in the late 1980s. The alleged source is the April 1933 Birth Control Review (Sanger ceased editing the Review in 1929). That issue contains no article or letter by Sanger.
“To create a race of thoroughbreds . . .”This remark, again attributed originally to Sanger, was made by Dr. Edward A. Kempf and has been cited out of context and with distorted meaning. Dr. Kempf, a progressive physician, was actually arguing for state endowment of maternal and infant care clinics. In her book The Pivot of Civilization, Sanger quoted Dr. Kempf’s argument about how environment may improve human excellence:
Society must make life worth the living and the refining for the individual by conditioning him to love and to seek the love-object in a manner that reflects a constructive effect upon his fellow-men and by giving him suitable opportunities. The virility of the automatic apparatus is destroyed by excessive gormandizing or hunger, by excessive wealth or poverty, by excessive work or idleness, by sexual abuse or intolerant prudishness. The noblest and most difficult art of all is the raising of human thoroughbreds (Sanger, 1922 [1969]).It was in this spirit that Sanger used the phrase, “Birth Control: To Create a Race of Thoroughbreds,” as a banner on the November 1921 issue of the Birth Control Review. (Differing slogans on the theme of voluntary family planning sometimes appeared under the title of The Review, e.g., “Dedicated to the Cause of Voluntary Motherhood,” January 1928.)
“The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”This statement is taken out of context from Margaret Sanger’s Woman and the New Race (Sanger, 1920). Sanger was making an ironic comment — not a prescriptive one — about the horrifying rate of infant mortality among large families of early 20th-century urban America. The statement, as grim as the conditions that prompted Sanger to make it, accompanied this chart, illustrating the infant death rate in 1920:
From the Planned Parenthood site.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/margaret-sanger-planned-parenthood-founder.htm
Hmmm. Interesting, but none of those appear to be what I posted.
So you admit she worked on the Negro Project and wrote what I posted above, correct.
And was a Fabian socialist pining for the end of our constitutional republic.
(Not that there is anything wrong with that,as Seinfeld would say.)
No runaway use of the thesaurus ALLOWED!
Keep reading on the PP site, but I already know you have.
Are you all revved up for Roe V Wade day? See you there.
C’mon, Pee…do we need to discuss abortion on THIS thread, too?
I didn’t bring it up Goofytesticles, but I can’t let him get away with posting misinformation like that.
I even asked he stop. But you know how Troy Newman is, he can’t let it go.
Birth control, dear, the Negro Project was about birth control. Back then even Planned Parenthood considered abortion unnatural and harmful to women. You know, just like 90% of the suffragettes thought about the a-word.
PP can lie all they want, but most of what is put on dear Margie lips is just what see said. She was all about eugenics until her pals in Germany got caught extermating folks. Just like those krauts, taking her good ideas one step too far….or too soon.
Eugenics. It is what you get when you let PP run the abortion business. Google it.
Sorry, I will have to miss the Roe Anniversay in Wichita. Spending a quiet weekend with B16 in Rome.
Ian, it was predictable until that last line. In that line you certainly more than fulfilled the assignment I have you.
I bet you are a real hoot at bar mitvahs, especially after a few pints of St. Pauli’s Girl.
Are you Eva Braun’s love child by any chance?
ig – good one!
Hey, IBGG, you knew that I wouldn’t let you down. Let the truth be told though the heavens may fall!
I was actually created by Spanish Falagist scientists working with Dr Mengele in a lab in Argentina in 1967.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
See, look at you continue to spin spin spin. How sad that the head of the Catholic church would choose to spend a second with you.
That should send a message to Catholics everywhere…scary!
Roe day at the capitol, does not fall on a weekend. But you already knew that.
Read MLK’s words about what he thought of her. Comparing her to Nazis…well, that’s something straight out of the OR playbook.
Eugenics is what YOU people call women who want to rise up out of poverty and control when they have children.
And no, of course it was not safe to have abortions when PP was started, they were illegal. Women were having abortion by poisoning, by very unsafe methods.
Poison unsafe? Is that not the way Tiller does the little ones in week after week? Someone better tell them (the patients, not the targets) that poision is unsafe. We all want it safe and rare, remember?
Enlighten me, friend, just what did MLK have to say about Sanger? I am pretty certain Ian would be most interested as well.
PS I was joking about spending the day with B16. I actually just plan to read some of his stuff, go to Mass, say a Rosary. (And I promise to keep them off your, ah, reproductive organs.)
ig – what is B16?
He comes right after JP2 on the papal hall of fame.
JP2 – John Paul II? B16? Still not sure …
Not being Catholic places me at a bit if a disadvantage.
Hey, IBGG, please keep your anti-Popes to youself. I am a REAL Catholic and a bit sensitive, thanks.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Careful Ian, someone might napalm St. Mary’s now that you have revealed your mother church.
Sorry to be opaque, hmmmm. Yes, Benedict XVI. And it is great that you admit not being Catholic puts you at a disadvantage. Go see Msgr. Conley at Blessed Sacrament and you can be healed. Or go to St. Mary’s and you can be Ian.
Careful Ian, someone might napalm St. Mary’s now that you have revealed your mother church.
Sorry to be opaque, hmmmm. Yes, Benedict XVI. And it is great that you admit not being Catholic puts you at a disadvantage. Go see Msgr. Conley at Blessed Sacrament and you can be healed. Or go to St. Mary’s and you can be Ian.
Thanks ig – I’d probably go over to SEAS or maybe one out in west Sedg County where I already know a few guys.
IBGG,
Tell me, how can I be saved in a judeo-masonic, apostate, secular humanist, psuedo-Catholic church? You apostate, vatican2 coconuts can call your faith whatever you wish, but it ain’t Catholic or Christian!
I would love to see a debate, televised internationally between your anti-pope and Bishop Williamson. It’s no wonder why those apostates have gone to great lengths to obscure the true meaning of the third secret of Fatima.
It was YOUR anti-pope, JP2 that allowed hindus to desecrate the holy shrine at Fatima with their pagan nonsense. Even more disgusting was watching most of you vatican2 heretics lap up that desecration, in the name of tolerance, just like a dog laps up its’ own vomit!
Viva La Raza Blanco!!Viva Bishop Williamson!!!
YIPES! I’ll leave you with that one ig! Good luck!
Ommmmmmmmmmmmm.
Hi greatgranson – long time no see. Looks like you have been mixing it up a bit here today. Have a good evening … I’m dealing with grandkids tonight. Lots of fun!
BenWise Gamgee,
Enjoy those little ones. I will be long with the original Ignatius before mine arrive.
Yes, having a good time, but the wife is never happy with my blogging. So I too must go.
Happy MLK day from one who has actually done time for civil d, and written a letter about that from a Kansas jail cell. I cannot imagine why the media does not beat a path to my door every Jan 15????
G’night to Pol Mom and Ian as well. It has been a fine day to blog. Thanks for thinking along with me.
Time for some humor.http://www.iraqslogger.com/index.php/topic/27
g’night – watching Cars – for about te 67,832nd time!
;^)
Showing my age – I met Dr. King way back in the early 60s back in GA.
So….
Coolness, Ben. Didn’t pull down your pants and show him where the VC shots up your arse, I hope!
That last part escapes me … ???
Forst. Forest Gump. Better than Cars for the 67833 time.
Williams, do us both a favor and don’t read this.My lady and I finally got together last night, I officially popped the question and she said yes.Got the tickets this morning, the luggage is supposed to be delivered to my hotel this afternoon from LA (for a while, my bag was having more fun than I was), and we go to the embassy tomorrow for my affidavit.But the best part of this whole trip? Watching a four year old boy run excitedly around a Jolibee (Sort of like McDonald’s), approaching everyone who would talk to them, pointing to me and saying, “that’s my father!”Can it get any better than this?
Good on you mrc.!
If you don’t make the meetup. And if I do? I’ll give Joe a big fat razzberry for ya.
I’ll go one better. Joe hates smokers
and farmers
and unions
and “leftists”
SO if I make the meetup? I’ll endaovor to meet Joe OUTSIDE. And then this leftist smoker and former union member will …..well.. reduce myself to symbolism!
Hey Joe? :)/*****