As Paul Morrison leaves his job as Johnson County district attorney to become Kansas attorney general Monday, he already has some good goals in mind. In an exit interview with the Kansas City Star, Morrison said he wants to rebuild the consumer fraud unit and victim witness unit, both neglected under Attorney General Phill Kline. He also wants to “get into technology cyber crimes” and “get big-time into the domestic violence business,” as well as do more prosecution of child-sex offenders. As for how he feels about leaving his old job to Kline, who was appointed by the Johnson County GOP, Morrison expressed concern that the office will be driven by politics. “I hope that he learned something from his defeat,” Morrison said, also hoping “Phill Kline is a good boss to them” — employees who “are like family to me.”
Meanwhile, Morrison has had to contend with more automated telephone calls — this time from a former mental hospital patient he help convict on various charges. Conrad J. Braun of San Diego now owns a call center and has been calling Kansans — including those on the no-call list — claiming that Morrison is corrupt and has a criminal record. Braun told the Lawrence Journal-World that he intends to keep calling Kansans until either he or Morrison “goes to jail.” Any bets on which one that will be?
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Ninty percent of sex offenses are bullshit: Consensual sex following sexual maturity harms no one. The proof? Most participants do it again, and again, like thousands of times through life. You’d think if it were such a big harmful deal, they wouldn’t do it any more, at least willingly. It’s b.s. folks, like drug crimes.
Oh, the big bad Morrison will be all over this guy. Morrison will probably have his wife help him with his “public relations”. Morrison and his wife have shown that they are two vindictive people. Morrison chose to run for Attorney General and now he and his wife are so upset about who will replace him as District Attorney that they are not focused on the task at hand which is his transition to Attorney General.
Then to top this off he has the Governor saying that statewide elected officials should get a pay raise because Morrison is going to take a pay cut to become the Attorney General. His cronies from the Johnson County District Attorney’s office do not want to follow him because they will take a pay cut to do so. But if the Governor forces the legislature to raise the pay then they will join him.
If the Governor thought a pay raise was needed then she should have proposed it before now. If Morrison does not want the job he should not have run for it. The Governor is all about spending more when it is not her money. No pay raise for any elected officials!
So what, in particular, Door King, are the 90% of sex offenses that are “bullshit”. Your justification being; victims will have sex lots more in their life?
Please clarify, because on the face of it, your comment appears absurd.
Jesus, I’ll say!!So what constitutes “sexual maturity” DK? A girl can start her menses at 10 yrs or even younger, so if she “chooses” to have sex with a guy in his 20’s, that’s OPK to you?If you believe that, then I’d say offically you’re a perv.
Mary, I’m with you on 20-10 sex. But what if the boy is 12? Then I think we have a VERY different situation. As I recall that infant death case in Hutch recently he was 14 and she was 15 or something like that. Definitely not a good thing but, IMO, not a case for the courts.
I agree with the Romeo-Juliet syndrome not being prosecuted. But in the Hutchinson case, a baby was discarded like trash. Someone needs to be held accountable and, at the very least, get psychological treatment as to why the person chose that route of action.
We have too many young girls getting pregnant and we need to determine the root cause. If it is lack of parental control, then go after the parents. If it is older men who impregnanting these young girls, then prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. Each case should be judged on it’s own merit.
My ex wife was a rape crisis counselor for years in southern California, and from what I learned of her work, I can state without hesitation that Door King’s comments are pure trash.
He obviously has never witnessed a terrified, bruised and bleeding rape victim. He has never seen first hand the ongoing trauma not only to the victim but to her entire family. He has no clue as to the horrible impact and consequences of these crimes.
Door King has proven himself to be out of touch, wrong, and capable of making totally nonsensical statements that have absolutely no bearing on anything remotely related to facts.
Door King and Holman are the perfect Morrisonite couples, they should hook up.
As usual, The Eagle is censoring information that doesn’t reflect well on their candidates and officials.
For instance, as hinted above, Morrison and his honey are so busy trying to get the Johnson County commissioners to slash Kline’s salary that this hatemonger couldn’t possibly be focused on his next position.
Then there’s the allegation that Morrison launched into a foul-mouthed tirade of F words at Steve Maxwell (Kline’s soon to be #3).
Of course, since The Eagle is published behind the iron curtain of the Kansas Propaganda Network you won’t see that information of their pages, just as you didn’t see them point out Foulston’s bald faced lie that Kline didn’t consult with her before filing her charges.
Don’t you wish Wichita had an honest newspaper, or at least an opinion page that wasn’t staffed with perverts and bigots.
Correction Gentle,
That’s the California Propaganda Network.
He needs fined for violating the no-call list, else what’s it good for?
lucee – i agree 100% – my point was only to the sex question, not the horrible thing with the infant.
As for the original issue I think Braun will be the one going to jail – apparently a place he knows all too well.
Door King – I rise in your defense. You utlra sensitive celebates are simply too policital for your own good. Teenagers have sex, and a lot of it. I did. Uhh, everyone I knew did. Some had sex with 20 somethings…There is no fucking crime if a 16 yr old wants to bang a 20 yr old. For those of you who think it is a crime…I suggest you ask your own children…cus I guarantee their fucking and not telling you…because you have a cob up your prudish ass.Now for the moron who cried about his wife’s work story. You goofy titmouse – Door King nor I think rape is sexual. Rape is not about sex…you dumb fuck. Shut up and listen to your wife.I suppose you have some delicate weepy story about kittens you want to share.For Christ sake…”sex is natural, sex is good, not everybody does it, but everybody should.” George Michael.
jim g-Surely you could make your “cogent” points without being so vulgar. I swear like a sailor in real life, so don’t get me wrong.
Every word that you write is an obscenity, Fleetnutz.
Good one, ws. Make some sense next time. Dope.
George Michael? George Michael?????! You are quoting the words of the pathetic old homosexual that keeps getting busted in men’s rooms when he’s not getting busted for drugs?
Jim G, perhaps you and Dorking are also on board with the NAMBLA agenda? I’m sure George Michael is.
Oh, and by the way, a crime is what the law says it is.
Jim G, it’s hard to consider your point of view when all you use is profanity to express yourself.
Rape is about sex, some men can’t get sexually aroused unless they’re dominating, controlling, and abusing someone.Dennis Rader is a good example of someone who probably couldn’t get it up without hurting and humiliating his victim. It’s sick, but it is about perverse sexual arousal and satiation.
George Michael<—–”Wants your sex”
outlander<—–wants you NOT to have sex; (
What I am saying is doing what comes naturally is natural. Not a crime, regardless of the age of the participants. If the act does no harm, why is it a crime and why does age make a difference? A 14-year-old banging someone five to 15 years her senior is very common. I don’t think any harm comes to the younger female or the younger male in any case from the simple act of sex, as long as it is consensual. If you ever studied anything, it is the female, regardless of age, who generally initiates sexual contact. Among mammals, the female generally selects the mate. It’s the way we breed, too.
Sex isn’t harmful; people are built for it, and need to do it, and the harm that does occur comes from ignorance, and guilt, caused by cob up your ass religious ju-ju. Pregnancy is a problem, so that’s why we should admit once and for all children have sex, and teach them how to prevent it. Or do you love abortions?
Read some cultural anthropology if you want to know how people really act.
I’ve read that most first lovers are older, and most are remembered fondly. But if you wish to persist, fine, but don’t bitch when the prison population doubles again, and you have to pay for it. Right now we are filling our prisons with people who are basically convicted not of rape, but of having sex with others who wanted to have sex, and the baggage that used to accompany such convictions in prison is nearly gone, since a third of the people inside are sex offenders. I read that on the Lansing web site, by the way.
“A 14-year-old banging someone five to 15 years her senior is very common.”Let’s run the numbers on this one.She’s 14 and he’s 19 to 29 years old? You, sir, are a sick fuck.
George Michael<—–” Ya got to have faith”
outlander<——Ya got ta have HIS faith : (
DK:
“A 14-year-old banging someone five to 15 years her senior is very common.”
This may well be the dumbest statement you’ve ever made, and you’ve made some duzees.
In Kansas (assuming the 14 year old is a female), this is rape. Period. Not “statutory rape,” as the law makes no distinction. Rape. The most obvious reason for same is that the 14 year old cannot consent. First, she cannot consent by law; second, consent requires two partners in similar positions of power, i.e. a mutual choice. Pervs who prey on 14 years old girls do so BECAUSE they are in a position of power relative to the child. That’s not consent, that’s manipulation and control.
Wake up, DK. And I pray you don’t have children, especially daughters.
A 14 and a 26 year old is common? No, I’d say a 14 and 18 year old is common.
Saying she can’t consent is pure rubbish. Kids have sex, they’ve been having sex for years, each case is different. I would say 14&26 would be and should be prosecuted.
Outlander, don’t equate gay with Nambla, it makes you sound retarded.
Rape isn’t about sex. Rape is about control.
14 <— too young to consent15 <— too young to consent
14 & 15, old enough to be tried in Adult court, old enough to consent to sex.
I’m not saying it’s a fabulous idea, I’m saying that it’s not something that should be punishable by putting someone in jail. We need a 4 year limit on age for the Romeo Juliet laws.
Pee,Here’s a suggestion: call your state legislators, call a press conference, write a letter to the editor…get your name out there. Make a BIG BIG point of this…
Let them all know that you you the age of consent in Kansas should be lowered to 14. Be strong and forceful. Have all your data in order and have lots of 14 and 15 yr olds with you at your press conference.
And please let me know how it goes…
“that you think”*
PMom:
There IS a 4 year limit on Romeo/Juliet laws. Check the statute (I can’t cite you number right now, but a google search should be able to find it).
And as a general rule, absent some REALLY bad stuff, 14-15 Year olds are NOT tried in adult court.
And if you think a typical 14 year old girl can make an informed decision as to consenting to sex, you don’t know many 14 year old girls (and I don’t care how many or what kind of sex-ed classes she’s been in).
What truly gives me the willies as I sit here is the thought that Door King KNOWS 14 yoa girls, understands the reality mentioned immediately above, and is in fact concerned about his own circumstances, masquerading as legal reform.
If it is consensual it wouldn’t be rape. However, there is no reason for an 18 year old of either sex to have a relationship with a 14 year old except for sex. There are light years between those two ages. It is much easier for an 18 year old to coerse a 14 year old to do what they want and a 14 year old does not have the maturity to understand the consequences of their actions. So yes as far as I am concerned it is rape in those cases and the older person is more than likely in that relationship for what they can get. I suppose some of you think it’s ok for teachers to seduce their students. You guys all sound like every pedaphile I’ve ever heard justifying their behavior. This is a sick conversation!!!
Holman will print anything Morrison wants her to (not that he has to do much coaxing).
It is an “American” thing getting your undies all up in a bundle over vast age differences in sex partners. (of course we shove all our doctrin down the throats of eveyone else eventually) It is also a more recent development caused by a combination of the feminist movement wanting to eliminate the competition, and the ultra conservative whacko right wing who just is against sex in general.
The younger partner is also part of what takes place a majority of the time. My great grandfather at 20 married my great grandmother at the ripe old age of 14. My 21 year old grandfather married grandma when she was 15. Very common in agricultural communities less than 100 years ago.
Thomas Jefferson had a bit of a thing for the young slave girls who were just coming of age, and old Ben Franklin preffered attending the functions that involved “rum and whores” when this great democracy was being forged.
Pedophobia (the current state of affairs) is a. a ratings booster for the media, and b. a political card being played to appease the feminazi’s and willey eyed religious whackos. By the way, whose watching those shows and reading those stories so intently?Well, it could be the 35% of the male population (as proven studies indicate) who have a more pronounced penile reaction to a budding young beauty moreso than someone over 18. Hmmm, I guess their are alot of pedos out there!
I raised 2 boys. I raised them to be gentleman, and compared to their peers, I think they are, but you should have seen the little vixens that came around! Low rise jeans, thong strings showing, very touchy and physical. That was the Jr. High years, it’s harder to stay on top of the temptation they face when they get older, drive cars etc…
I raised them to GENUINLY WANT to do what’s right, and to be a REAL MAN and steer the path of their interactions with females down a road that showed respect, dignity, goodness and kindness. I did so even though I knew it would give them a lifetime of disappointment much of the time, but raised them to believe that those FEW females out there who respond in a positive way to a man being a good man are the only ones they need to be concerned with.
Parents are responsible for their children more so than government entities. These shows where old men show up to meet young girls from the internet crack me up! Sorry parenting and dirty old men! Those guys aren’t baby rapers though, they have problems, issues! I seriously doubt their are very many overdeveloped 15 year olds out there swooning to meet fat bald old men though. If I were a betting man, I’d venture to say that about the ONLY time it happens is for those sting operations. If those guys really want girls that age, move to Paris and get into the modeling industry. Hope a flight to Rio and you will see beaches full of hot round bottomed Brazillian teens strutting around in thongs. When you hook up and spend a few days together you will meet their families, and they will be trying to marry her off to you! They will be glad she found someone who can provide well, and proud of her for landing a “good one.”
What pisses me off about those freaks who they bust in those stings is the behavior they are encouraging. NOT THE POTENTIAL SEX! Their ARE plenty of freaks out there who would meet and chop up those girls into little pieces and mail the parts home to mommy and daddy. If she would meet you, she would meet anyone, YOUR NOT THAT SPECIAL!
I’m rambeling, and must go.
“And as a general rule, absent some REALLY bad stuff, 14-15 Year olds are NOT tried in adult court”
Your right, but the key is “as a general rule.” That DOESN’T F-ING CUT IT! “Oh, MOST young boys aren’t geting their lives ruined for a natural mistake that millions make, and was made out of puppy love etc…only some of them so it’s all OK”
Freedom I totally disagree with you, and I think you might actually be dangerous. If you’ve got a problem with getting excited over pubescent girls, that’s YOUR issue. Those girls don’t dress like that to turn on old men- they dress like that to turn on the boys their own age and because it is popular.
And I absolutely know the internet is full of scumbags preying on kids. I wanted to see for myself how bad the problem was and created my own 14 year old profile. I got 6 hits of MUCH older men in less than 30 minutes, in a KANSAS room. AND I was solicited for child porn pics.
Don’t get me wrong, I agree with part of what you said, but certainly not in how you’re trying to justify it.
Culturally there are differences. The times are different now. Kids will have sex with each other no matter what the law is or what their parents do. But that does NOT mean we give free reign to MUCH men to take advantage of these girls. They are still teenagers, they still need guideance, and not from a perv.
FF (and it sounds like “freak” fits just right) -
FYI:
A 14 or 15 year old may be prosecuted as an adult only for a drug level 1 or 2 felony (manufacturing or a second selling charge); or a non-drug level 1, 2, or 3 (very serious person crimes, i.e. agg. robbery (with a weapon), kidnapping, some murder or attempted murder, and yes, rape).
Doing so also requires that a trial court authorize such a prosecution, after hearing, taking into account a number of factors I won’t get into here. Check it out for yourself at K.S.A. 38-3636.
Frankly, FF, it seems to me that you are looking to justify your own perversion. Cite the studies you refer to; absent such citations, I don’t buy it. Even if true, what we prosecute are ACTS, not desires. In other words, even if a person finds an early pubescent 14 year old sexually attractive (yuk), only his doing of an ACT with that child is prosecuted. He can fantasize to his heart’s content, if he likes. But leave the children alone.
Well put GMC. That said, there have been cases of a young teenager being branded a sexual predator for ‘doing what comes naturally.’ One such case that was profiled on a locan news program the kid married the girl and they were raising their child. But, he was on the registry.
I agree wholeheartedly that if I ‘got it on’ with a 14-year-old I should be crushed but not some stupid carbonated hormones 15-year-old.
FF -
I mistyped the statute – it’s KSA 38-1636, NOT 3636.
and hmmmm; I agree there is a difference between a 14-15 year old having sex with a 13 year old (bad, and illegal, but not a “sex offender” in the usual sense and should not be branded same), and the 20+ perv.
BTW, and FYI – just for precision’s sake: In Kansas, sex with a pre-14 year old is rape (lev. 1). Sex with a 14-16 year old is agg. indecent liberties (lev. 3). The legal age for consent is 16.
I think we’ve gotten off track.
The question is who’s the bigger sleaze, Holman the handmaiden to corruption, or Morrison, Mr. Fund My Campaign and I Won’t Prosecute You.
You’re OBVIOUSLY not really part of the mainstream coalition.
Yeah, why did this slip into a “who’s the biggest panty-sniffer” thread?
Is panty-sniffing THAT popular?
Ahhhh, the typical responces I expected, the same ones spewed out anytime anyone tries to use rational common sence on this subject. “Your _____ or YOUR ____”
I never said I get turned on by a particular age group, but you sure seem to imply I do. Hmmm, where did I say that? I get turned on by hot women, because I am human, biologically I’m designed to, and it’s what has allowed the human race to carry on for thousands of years.
What I WOULD like to imply is that alot of people do, and it’s not that big of a deal. As someone else stated, it is ACTs that are prosecuted, not thoughts.
For the record, I remember one time using the restroom and picking up a People or US magazine, and Brittney Spears (at the time she was probably 16) was on the cover, and I thought, hmmmmm if I were a younger man… and did kind of yearn for those younger years, and find her very sultry and hot. AHHHHHHHHHH, call out the right wing thought police and lock me away!!!! I admit it, GUILTY! Hell I even masterbated! Comne to think of it, the Olsen twins, man, I could really allow my mind to travel on that one… TWINS!
People need to get the stick out of their ass, see past allt he frenzy, and quite frankly… GROW UP!
As far as who or what age I prefer, well, ever try and have an intelligent conversation with these girls nowdays? To relate. Who in the hell LIKES to feel old? Not me, and the experience would DEFINATELY be a constant reminder of my mortality. Who needs that?
I’m pushing 40, but know a 21 year old, hell even care for her, but could never “go there.” She is a baby. A precious little girl. Let down by her father, and with no positive male role models in her life, maybe she could see pass my middle aged spread and love me. But it wouldn’t help her in any way, and would only hurt her. She needs to develope a self reliance, and spiritual beliefs that will allow her to soar through life with or without help from a guy.
On the other hand, their are 16 year old girls with whom it would be healthy. AND LEGAL IN THE STATE OF KANSAS as far as how I interpret the law. Still have to get past the generation gap, she would be talking EMINEM and I’d be speaking Journey, Air Supply and ACDC on days I’m feeling rebelious. I can’t do it. It would embarass and depress me.
OK, go ahead and call me more terrible names.
Hey “gentle” – got any substantiation for your allegations against Morrison?
To get back on subject, Morrison will prove to not be all that much different than Kline.
Kline screwed up by illegally going after medical records, and justified it because of how bad the alleged crime being commited was. You JUST…CAN’T…DO THAT!
Mark my words, Morrison will pull similiar stunts. It is the nature of a prosecutor. People bad rap the defence lawers, but both defence and prosecutors seem to loose sight of justice and focus on winning only. Watch the TV show Justice if you can find a re-run. It really spells out acurately what our justice system is like.
Has anyone ever noticed that everytime the government reigns in more power to “defend and save the American people from terrible crime” the actually end up screwing things up worse?
The attack on organised crime is the perfect example. When they took down the mafia, they literally wiped their asses on the constitution to do it, and we ended up with a far worse crime issue than if the government would have been forced to remain constrained by the constitution of the United States of America.
Law enforcement and politicians had a dialoge with the mafia leaders. Hell, the mafia often did the job of the police when things just needed to get DONE! A police precent Captain in the city of Chicago could talk to the local mob captain about the drug dealers not being careful about the product getting into schools, and it would stop!
If Johnny was gambeling his childs money needed for medical treatment, and Johnny’s wife confronted the local Capo, they would probably cut the guy off.
Hell, their is nothing more American than the old school mob of the 40’s and 50’s. They policed themselves. Thomas Jefferson would have supported them!
…There is no f***ing crime if a 16 yr old wants to bang a 20 yr old…
actually it is – sorry george michael doesnt write the law or enforce it.
Prediction:
One of Morrison’s potty mouth tirades will end up on YouTube.
Angel,What crime is commited if a 16 yr old has sex with a 20 yr old?
And the next step …
Morrison concerned about security of evidence in Tiller caseJOHN HANNAAssociated PressTOPEKA, Kan. – Newly installed Attorney General Paul Morrison said Monday he’s concerned about the security of records and other evidence used by his predecessor in an unsuccessful attempt to prosecute the state’s most visible abortion doctor.
Former Attorney General Phill Kline, whom Morrison unseated in November, appointed a special prosecutor Dec. 27 to handle the case involving Dr. George Tiller, who operates a Wichita clinic and is among a few doctors in the nation to perform late-term abortions.
Morrison said he plans to fire the special prosecutor, Wichita attorney Don McKinney, this week. Kline turned over documents, including edited patient records, to McKinney after appointing him.
Minutes after taking his oath of office, Morrison said he’s worried the documents, especially patients’ records, may not be secure. Morrison said he will demand that McKinney return any documents before he is fired.
“I do have concerns about how many copies have been made of that material and who’s got possession of them,” Morrison said.
McKinney, a Democrat who has protested outside Tiller’s clinic, did not return a telephone message left at his office.
more …
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/16411303.htm
I am convinced this doctor broke so many laws, it is unbelievable!!!@#$% May he rot in hell, BUT, data mining a doctors patient records is illegal. It’s not admissable in a court of law, is it? If it hasn’t gone to the supreme court yet, they will surely favor what Kline what did, the court is nothing but a rubber stamp for the radical extremist right wingers.
What was Klines probable cause to investigate this doctor, other than the fact that he is a main abortion provider in the state? Was it just maliscious harassment?
ff, the release of the redacted records was the result of an order of the Kansas Supreme Court, which placed other restrictions on the use of the same, IIRC.
probable cause did not come about until after the inquisition was started.
the inquisition was started because several rapists were caught and later discovered that some of their victims were underaged girls.
these under aged girls had abortions.
state law requires that pregnacies and abortions of under aged girls must be reported to legal authorities.
IN SUMMARY:
this all started by the AG prosecuting sex affenders (rapists)
several victims went to abortion clinics.
the AG checked to find out why legal authorities didn’t follow up on the reported pregnancies..
the legal authorities said – what reports, there are no reports for that victim from any medical agencies.
so the AG goes to the clinics.
the clinics said get the hell out..
so the AG supe’d the records..
the clinics said hell no…
the Supreme Court said sorry bub – it sucks but you gotta give em up…BUT FIRST send the records to a judge – hey judge, its your responsibility to make sure (get this now…)1. no names2. no ph #s3. no addressesof any of the patients are readable.you-judge… are responsible for making this happen before sending the records to the AG office.
ok, now the AG has the records.the records show that at this date someone of this age had abortions services…
xreff to medical reports for that date .. of that age.. by that clinic… got zilch…
there is the probable cause #1
IN ADDITION – this person at x# months had this procedure.reason for procedure – depressionnot diagnosed by lic physc Dr.not treated by any other med Dr.no previous symtomssome approved with no in-person exam.
there is the probable cause #2.
“this all started by the AG prosecuting sex affenders (rapists)
several victims went to abortion clinics.
the AG checked to find out why legal authorities didn’t follow up on the reported pregnancies”
You are so full of it, that’s not at all what happened. Kline ADMITTEDLY had been trying to find a way to get after Tiller since the beginning, and those girls you claim started the whole investigation also had LIVE babies- ALSO not reported.
THIS is how it happened. Phill Kline wanted to get at Tiller. So he went and FOUND something to try to up his cause for going in after records. None of the women he got records from were part of any investigation whatsoever, so that point is moot.
IF he actually had a case where a girl came to Phill and said “I was a victim of sexual assault and I had an abortion because I was forced to”…he would have access to the dates the person reported. Therefore it would be pretty easy to find the date on the procedure that correlated to the girl’s story. Voila! You have the medical records and you know who they came from.
But that didn’t happen now did it Angel. No.
And there isn’t a judge in the WORLD who would tell Phill Kline if he were investigating a crime reported to him from a SPECIFIC case, that medical records from Tiller wouldn’t be handed over promptly.
And why do you keep saying that doctors can’t diagnose depression? Geez, do you stick your fingers in your ears and go NANANANA when someone proves you wrong?
Is it really OK for a woman who is 7 or 8 months pregnant to abort a healthy, viable baby because she’s depressed? That’s just sick.
It is still her body, and until a doctor is willing to give her a c-section, and they won’t. Yes.
I can’t see killing a viable baby, it’s not just a woman’s body at issue, it’s another human being, also.I don’t care what the law says, to kill a baby who is healhty and capable of living outside the womb just because you don’t want it is the ultimate act of selfishness.
Then GIVE THE WOMAN A CHOICE TO HAVE A C-SECTION MARY, she can walk away or keep it if she was doing it for health reasons.
What you are saying that after a certain point, women who didn’t choose fast enough, they should just be stuck with the pregnancy no matter how sick that baby is making her.
Now let me tell you, I’m ADVOCATING here a solution that a pro-life doctor has pointed out…the options are not there and they need to be.
It is her body first and foremost, till the child is born.
I thought we were talking about a woman who is depressed. What difference does it make if she has a c-section or a vaginal birth?If she is going to be physically harmed unless she has a c-section, what doctor would deny a woman that option?
Doctors aren’t going to do it. I begged to have my son born earlier, because I was having major MAJOR issues, and it wasn’t until the health of the BABY was in jeopardy that we finally was able to deliver by c-section.
And then I had to spend a month in the hospital after he was born.
I’ve been a nurse for over 20 yrs, I have never heard of a case where a doctor refused to do a c-section if carrying the pregnancy to term and/or having a vaginal birth was a physical threat to the mom. Any doctor who would refuse to do a c-section is a quack and should be sued. In fact, there was a time when doctors were doing c-sections needlessly because of the fear of gettng sued or the labor was long and they just didn’t want to wait around for the baby to be born naturally.Maybe you should have gotten a second opinion?
I was having major issues, but they weren’t ’severe’ enough according to the doctor to justify delivering early.
I am amazed that some man thinks because his great grandpa married his great grandma when she was 14 that somehow makes it ok to lust after 14 year olds now. Freedom Freak you are a sick freak! That was a different time and people did not live to be much past 40. To say that everyone should do what is “natural” is a cop out. It is our responsibility no matter what yound girls/boys do to exercise self control. We are not animals humping the leg of every stranger that walks by.There is a BIG difference between a 40 y.o having a relationship with a 20 yo than a 18-20 yo having a “relationship” with the 14yo. It is about the unequal balance of power and the 14 yo is always going to come out on the short end in that equation. So yes it is rape.I worked with adolscents for several years and believe me I have heard every sick excuse for why some sick freak had molested his daughter/son. The sickest ones are “they wanted it, they dressed like a whore, it was love,ect” Again the stats say that 1 in every 4 children will be sexually molested before the age of 18. Most of the time it is by someone in the family or someone they trust.
My grandfather married grandma when he was 27 and she was 17 – but that was 1927 in rural Kentucky. Times were far different then. They also had 13 children and stayed together until Grandma died in 1982.
In the early part of the century, America was just moving from an agricultural based economy to an industrial economy. Farm families were started early. Large families were the norm in rural Amererica and that usually meant that the woman had to start young.
Today, it is a different story. There is no need to take advantage of a woman’s early childbearing years. Families are smaller and they no long live down on the farm.
Any adult that has sex with an underaged individual should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. It does not matter if it is male or female.
Any self-respecting man wants NOTHING to do with an underaged female, in a sexual manner. No self-respecting man finds himself “turned on” by a young teen-aged girl.
Well Clark, by that definition, my first love would have been arrested. And I still to this day don’t feel that he victimized me in any way whatsoever.
Actually I’d have probably been better off if I had gotten pregnant by him rather than the boyfriend I did later. This guy would have stepped up.
Any adult that has sex with an underaged individual should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. It does not matter if it is male or female.Posted by: WSClark | January 08, 2007 at 11:44 PM
I’m glad you feel that way. You and Sean Hannity are not as far apart as you think (i.e. Debra LaFave).
“You and Sean Hannity are not as far apart as you think ”
God, Mr. KIA, you could have called me almost anything and it would have been better than equating me with Sean Hannity!
Jeez, I may NEED a smoke tonight.
No insult or implication meant, P Mom. I don’t know the story of your first love affair, but I think that a firm line needs to be drawn to keep the abusers in line.
I don’t have all the answers to any question (yes, I do, but I try to keep it quiet). Perhaps there needs to be some discussion of the age of consent or age differential.
Again – no disrespect intended.
…ADMITTEDLY had been trying to find a way to get after Tiller…and those girls you claim started the whole investigation…
wow, your hatred is very strong.
it wasn’t the girls that started it.
it was a study on recidivism (repeating offences of sex affenders) that revieled the under aged abortions.
there may have been some girls that have added to tillers problems.
But as to Kline getting started – the trail leading to tiller did not start until the study on recidivism.
…. None of the women he got records from were part of any investigation whatsoever, so that point is moot…
that is a curious statement, pm
with all of the personal information removed from the records… how can you say that?
…And there isn’t a judge in the WORLD who …if …investigating a crime…that medical records from Tiller wouldn’t be handed over promptly…
yes there is a judge that would refuse… that is why Kline had to go to the supreme court – to force the records to be release.
…And why do you keep saying that doctors can’t diagnose depression? …do you stick your fingers in your ears and go NANANANA when someone proves you wrong?…
i’ve only said it once – and yes a licensed Physc Dr. must evaluate a patient to determine IF LIFE THREATENING OR IRREVERSABLE DAMAGE WOULD OCCUR.
a mood swing – a seasonal depression – an anxiety funk – extreme fear of insufficient capability….
these are not life threatening nor irreversable
they would have to be – in order for a late term abortion to even come close to being legal.
ALSO – if such a case were evaluated by a physc DR. then the med DR. would have known there was a problem – and like caruso said, a late term pregnancy in life threatening or irreversable damage would always have the option (actually prefered by med DR.s) to have a c-section performed.
It is such a shame that your hatered is so strong that you won’t even look for the truth.
AND… IF I was proven wrong – I wouldn’t go nananana… I would go ickyickyicky.. (personal ha ha – for those that get it)
HOWEVER – you have not proven anything wrong
Angel, seriously, I’m supposed to listen to you who can’t even spell simple words on how and why Tiller should be prosecuted.
Sigh, but I will once again try to prove where you’re so very wrong.
“it wasn’t the girls that started it.
it was a study on recidivism (repeating offences of sex affenders) that revieled the under aged abortions. ”
That isn’t what you said in your previous post. And show your references to the ’study’ you cite.
“there may have been some girls that have added to tillers problems. ”
MAY HAVE BEEN???? Can you tell me how a study points to showing how a Doctor may or may not have been involved? You don’t go barging into homes of any men because a study showed that women are frequently abused by men. There has to be evidence that THAT PARTICULAR MAN had something to do with it.
“None of the women he got records from were part of any investigation whatsoever, so that point is moot…
that is a curious statement, pm
with all of the personal information removed from the records… how can you say that?”
YOU were the one who said these were based on cases. If he knows the offender, he’d have to know who the victim is. By investigation, he could put two and two together that would tell him that the x year old girl in the medical records given an abortion on x day would correlate with the offender.
“yes there is a judge that would refuse… that is why Kline had to go to the supreme court – to force the records to be release.”
I seriously don’t know if you’re just playing stupid here, or what. But no, if an investigation were ongoing for a PARTICULAR incident, where we knew or suspected abuse happened, this would be handed over so fast your head would spin.
“i’ve only said it once – and yes a licensed Physc Dr. must evaluate a patient to determine IF LIFE THREATENING OR IRREVERSABLE DAMAGE WOULD OCCUR”
Show me where it says this..that a licensed Psychiatrist can determine if a woman will kill herself if forced to carry a baby.Show me where it says a psychiatrist would have to show that life threatening damage would occur….
If you’re speaking of the Kansas Statute, remember, the Kansas statute was already ruled on in the UNITES STATES SUPREME COURT- that mental and emotional counts as a threat to the life of the mother. SCOTUS overrules SCOKS.
See, me thinks you talk WAY too much out your ass, and haven’t a clue as to what is really going on here. But keep wishing.
To quote: “That was a different time and people did not live to be much past 40”Reply: Actually, my great grandpa died in his 60’s, and great grandma was 84 when she passed away. Grandpa died in his 50’s and grandma was 93.
To quote: ““To say that everyone should do what is “natural” is a cop out.””Reply: Actually, I DIDN’T!
To quote: “”“There is a BIG difference between a 40 y.o having a relationship with a 20 yo than a 18-20 yo having a “relationship” with the 14yo. “”
Reply: I disagree, every situation is unique, and deserves to be handled as such, WITHOUT blanket legislation that makes the accused the victim in my opinion. Parents need to be parents, and stop relying on government entities to do their job. Also, there is NOTHING wrong in MANY cases with the age gap thing. Individual families deserve the freedom to choose what is right and not right for THEM! I can bring to light a case I am familiar with first hand. A 19 year old boy was working at a Pizza place that students frequent often, and a relationship was sparked up with a 14 year old girl. It lasted quite awhile, and got too serious (in my opinion). Her parents were aware, and trying to be patient, hoping the situation would work itself out. She was a top honors student, Daughters of the American Revolution, Spanish Honors Society, etc… probably more “together” than most 25 year olds. He was a college student heading towards a career in business. Well, somebody who went to school with this girl was talking about it with her own mother, and the mother decided to make it an issue. Local P.D. didn’t want to go near it once they talked with the family, so the mom pushed it to the DA, after investigating the county felt it best to let it be, SO, this right wing whacko born again pushed it futher, enlisted neo-con non profit’s to help, and took it all the way to the Attorney General. The AG took the gloves off, threatened to charge the family with crimes, to take away the other children etc. They caved to the pressure and turned against the boy. The boy went to prison, and is a registered sex offender now. They were 3 months short of falling under the “Romeo and Juliet” law in their state. He did his time and they are now happily married with 2 children. She booked out on the family as soon as she could, and has never talked to them since. Here is a case of an entire family ripped apart by meddeling do gooders. EVERY CASE IS UNIQUE AND DESERVES FAIR CONSIDERATION!
Quote: “1 in every 4 children will be sexually molested before the age of 18. Most of the time it is by someone in the family “
Reply: E X A C T L Y!! someone in the family, not some hairy pig on the internet. The hype about internet predators is just exactly that HYPE! Any credible AG/DA will not touch a case involving Perverted Justice, because “PJ” has been caught RED HANDED altering chat logs to show the accused said things they DIDN’T SAY. Erasing stuff PJ volunteers typed that looked like entrapment etc… One could only guess how many law enforcement agencies do that same thing.
Quote: “Any self-respecting man wants NOTHING to do with an underaged female“ I can’t see why they would want to…..Quote “ No self-respecting man finds himself “turned on” by a young teen-aged girl.” Total and utter bullshit, attractive and sexy is attractive and sexy, regardless of age. It doesn’t make someone terrible to notice.
I was once a hot guy in my 20’s, and the teeny boppers loved to be checked out by older guys. I’m very comfortable with the fact that those years are long gone for me, but I didn’t go blind all of the sudden
…If you’re speaking of the Kansas Statute, remember, the Kansas statute was already ruled on in the UNITES STATES SUPREME COURT- that mental and emotional counts as a threat to the life of the mother. SCOTUS overrules SCOKS….
“mental and emotional” would be accepted – IF – it were life threatening.
i kinda figured that you would resort to attacking spelling…
sorry that you are so pissed off and furious that you have to spout off attacks on people and have no interest in seeking the truth.
as to the rest of your ranting attacks …
no sense trying to counter-I was there -I know the study -know people affected/involved…
at times – you introduce some good points to consider – but your hate for people with differing opinions is smothering whay you have to say.
Angel, all my points were confirmed by Foulston’s press release today.
Hmm.
As far as mental and emotional, how is that deadly in any case other than the threat of suicide?Can you tell me seriously that any doctor can say for certainty who will and who will not commit suicide?
No, I attacked your spelling because it points to your education. There is nothing that irritates me more than someone trying to speak out as an expert on either side- when they can’t even form a sentence.
I am sick and tired of people who want to remove the rights of women, yes I take it extremely personally. I believe it is a life and death issue for women, and I will not stand idly by while those who want to remove them spread lies.
Attacking spelling:
Spelling, I hate you!Spelling you SUCK.Spelling, I loathe you as much as your buddy ‘facts’.Hell, I bet you’re even related to those dispicable bookish, learning, type thingies!
Bad spelling–bad bad.
LOL Tracy, and it’s despicable, not dispicable.