Maybe the no-gun signs just take some getting used to, or maybe their posting will be short-lived. In any case, it was remarkable to see so many pop up prominently on local doors right on schedule Monday, including at malls and hotels. Especially in the latter case, the large, Phill Kline-approved signs risk sending off-putting messages to visitors. Gun-rights proponents may see the businesses as infringing on their constitutional rights to carry, as those who favor gun laws may find it uncomfortable to be reminded that concealed-carry is now mostly the rule. Why don’t the 46 other concealed-carry states seem to have no-gun signs all over the place?
The Kansas City Star reports, by the way, that Sedgwick County leads the state in conceal-carry permit applications, with 950 of the state’s more than 4,880. Does that make Wichita the new Dodge City?
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I am just waiting to see when the first moron is arrested for carrying a weapon WITHOUT a permit, claiming that he/she thought the law meant that anyone could tote a gun.
Don’t laugh – you know it is going to happen soon!
The business’s are not infringing on anyone’s rights. If they do not want someone to be armed on the property, they have that choice. Personally, I wonder how many business’s with armed security gaurds are posting signs. For most places that would be two-faced in my opinion.
Great! Now it will be easier for me to tell where I’ll be safe from miscreants, ie in establishments that allow concealed weapons.
Are they going to frisk everyone, or install metal detectors? How else will they know if someone is carrying a “concealed” handgun?
It makes Sedgwick county a population center; raw numbers never tell anything. What is the RATE?
How hypocritical that those who passed this law won’t allow guns in the state offices.
I can’t help but think that the only thing worse than being in store with a criminal with a gun, is being in the same store with a armed virtually untrained civilian considering trying to stop him.
Sounds like double the potential trouble to me!
“Why don’t the 46 other concealed-carry states seem to have no-gun signs all over the place?”
I suspect it’s because we are so late to the party, we don’t know yet that the signs are not really neccessary.
Another Dodge City? Stupid. We have far fewer illegals than they do.
“Why don’t the 46 other concealed-carry states seem to have no-gun signs all over the place?”
I suspect fleettwood’s got this about right; in a couple of years, the signs will slowly disappear as the promised catastrophe will not happen. We are late to what much of the nation’s been doing for a decade or more.
To those of you who carry: take your business elsewhere, and tell the business (politely) why you’re leaving. All it really proves is that the business hasn’t really thought through the consequences of their decision: citizens who have proven through their actions that they abide by the law are not welcome, while thugs will simply ignore the sign, just as they ignore the law now. The end result is weapons left in cars, MORE likely to be stolen and used in crime. Tell me- where is that weapon more secure: left unattended in a car, or on the owner’s hip? Duh.
No, they’ve been fed misinformation like this nugget of BS from gster:
“I can’t help but think that the only thing worse than being in store with a criminal with a gun, is being in the same store with a armed virtually untrained civilian considering trying to stop him.”
I agree, gster. But no one is proposing “stopping him” with a CC permit. CC holders are not cops, and we do not imagine that we are. We carry, if we do, for one purpose and one only – protection of life. Not to stop robberies, not to be cops, or anything else.
The hysteria will die down, and when it does, the signs will fade away. It’s happened elsewhere, it’ll happen here too.
Still no bet takers? 360 days to go!!
Eagle: just can’t help yourself from stirring the hysteria, can you?
Their fears are not unfounded, Mary. If I were a legislator in this state, I certainly wouldn’t want any constituants near me with guns!
GMC- Thanks for agreeing with “my nugget of BS”- does that make you a fellow traveler?
Why would anyone agree with BS and admit it?
gster:
Either you’re incredibly dense (which I doubt) or you intentionally missed the point (far more likely). Your “true” conclusion (which I agree with) is based upon a FALSE premise.
That’s the nugget of BS. But you knew that, didn’t you? You’re just being disingenuous.
GMC- It wasn’t a premise- it was just a scarnio I happened to think of.
Can I try Door#3?
Ha ha. Like a sign is going to stop anybody from carrying a gun. Makes about as much sense as any other gun laws, the only people who obey them aren’t exactly the people you have to worry about.
In Hollywood’s Wyatt Earp, there were no guns allowed in Dodge, but the difference, as we see in the movies, is that there was someone (Wyatt) to actively ENFORCE the ban. That was when guns were worn on the hip, anyway. But is someone going to remove a concealed gun because of a sign? Are they going to go back to put it in their car? Or are they just going to go somewhere else to shop? What we need are “no-gun” signs next to the ones that say, WELCOME TO WICHITA.
What hysteria gmc? Some of us would perfer not be around concealed weapons, our choice. Sorry if that offends you.
You’re around them now, you’re just blissfully unaware of it.
Since we can’t post graphics here you all will have to use your imagination on this.
Right next to those Gun Buster signs businesses should also put one of these.
DISARMED VICTIM ZONE!!
Honestly, I don’t understand the thought process, or lack of, that goes into putting one of those signs up. Is it blissfull ignorance?
“Why don’t the 46 other concealed-carry states seem to have no-gun signs all over the place?”
First, this is another opinion injected by anti-gun Holman as though it’s creditable fact.
Maybe it’s because the other states have discovered that the leftist hype of bloody mayhem hasn’t come true and the signs aren’t needed.
Or maybe it’s because post-enactment studies in conceal carry states indicated businesses with the ban sign experienced an increase number of robberies so the businesses removed the sign. (I’m not aware of any such study but, hey, it “seems” right.)
Roscoe
I’ve never seen such a study but I have heard of individual examples, in several different states, of businesses taking the signs down immediately after being robbed.
Often times a Conservative is a Liberal who got mugged.
Greg, I’d note that Hollywood’s Wyatt Earp is just that: Hollywood. Please don’t tell me that you decide issues based out of what comes out of Fantasyland.
In fact, the “wild west” was much less wild than you might imagine. According to historian Roger McGrath, who studied mining California mining towns, perhaps the “wildest” of the wild west, ordinary crime was quite rare. While there was a propensity for drunk young men to kill each other over perceived slights to their honor, other crime was not tolerated.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F06EFD91038F93AA3575AC0A962948260http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/85spring/br-gunfighters.htm
Roger D. McGrath, Gunfighters, Highwaymen, & Vigilantes: Violence on the Frontier (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1984).
Actually in most towns that Wyatt Earp and the other famous wild west lawmen were in charge of. The first thing that they did was ban the carring of guns in town. He was also fired from Wichita for embellzement and murdered people in personal vendettas.
This issue is mostly much ado about nothing – if there have been only 950 application for CC permits in the county, the percentage of gun carrying folks is going to be quite small.
If you feel safer with a gun, go through the process and get your permit. This far left lunatic (as I have been described) really doesn’t care. I don’t want your gun and I really do not want to see them taken away from you.
I would ask one thing, however: if you are going to whip it out (your gun) in public, remember a line from a crappy old Lynrd Skynrd song:
“Give me three steps, mister, give me three steps towards the door.”
Then fire away.
An old prospector walks his tired old mule into a western town one day. He’d been out in the desert for about six months without a Drop of whiskey.He walked up to the first saloon he came to and tied his old mule to the hitch rail.As he stood there brushing some of the dust from his face and clothes, a gunslinger walked out of the Saloon with a gun in one hand and a bottle of whiskey in the other. The gunslinger looked at the old man and laughed, saying, “Hey old man, have you ever danced?”
The old man looked up at the gunslinger and said,”No, I never did dance. I JUST NEVER WANTED TO.”
“A crowd had gathered by then and the gunslinger said, “Well you old fool, you’re gonna’ dance now,” and started shooting at the old man’s feet. The old prospector was hopping around and everybody was laughing.When the gunslinger fired his last bullet, he holstered his gun and turned around to go back into the saloon. The old man reached up on the mule, drew his shotgun, and pulled both hammers back making a double clicking sound.The gunslinger heard the sound and everything got quiet. The crowd watched as the gunslinger slowly turned around looking down both barrels of the shotgun.
The old man asked, “Did you ever kiss a mule square on the butt?”
The gunslinger swallowed hard and said,”NO, BUT I’VE ALWAYS WANTED TO!”
Just a thought as something tangible you might provide businesses who post no carry. Feel free to substitute graphics of your own choice, as the WE Blog won’t permit posting graphics (or at least I don’t know how!)
_____(No gun graphic)=(I’m unarmed, please don’t hurt me graphic).
Please understand the results of your decision to bar legal concealed carry:1) The legal concealed carry holder, trained and with a proven track record of abiding by the law, and who represents no threat to your business, will respect your decision.2) The criminal, untrained and violating the law now, will not.3) The legal owner, to enter your establishment, is forced to leave his weapon unsecured in his vehicle, where it is more likely to be stolen and used in crime.Thus barring concealed carry does nothing to enhance the security of your establishment, and may well make it less safe.
Concealed carry holders tend to be better educated and higher income. They have a proven track record of abiding by the law; otherwise, they would not have the permit. Isn’t that exactly the clientele you want in your business? Given that reality, why do you bar those who present no threat, and welcome those who do?
I will respect your right to bar legal carry in your establishment. I will also take my business elsewhere, and will advise friends to do likewise. Just as you have the right to bar citizens who carry, I have the right to spend my dollars in business that respect my decision to take responsibility for my own safety.
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Feel free to borrow and use as you see fit. And be polite; we know we’re in the right in this one, and have no need to provide ammunition to an opposition who’s intellectual magazines are empty on this issue.
Popup!:
“to an opposition who’s intellectual magazines are empty on this issue.”
I think your last post confirmed that. Thanks.
TO THE EDITORS:
I responded to a rather silly post of Popup!; as I posted it, I noted that Popup!’s post was gone. I’ve recycled and reopened the site, and it does not appear to be a computer problem, so, aside from making my response seem out of place, WHAT GIVES???!!!
The post was not obscene or threatening. While I disagree (it appears) with Popup! on this issue, IN NO WAY was removing his post justified.
It is your forum, and you can do what you want, I guess, but most of us here like it a free-for-all, with little interference. Even I, who routinely call for discretion and courtesy don’t want a big brother coming in and imposing rigid standards. That’s how blogs become stale and useless.
You are a free press. Are you not dedicated to the free exchange of ideas and information? If so, WHAT GIVES???!!!
Others? Thoughts? Anyone know what’s going on?
I also notice that Pop’s post dissappeared. I am not for censorship except for extreme language (c-word, etc.) threats or overtly racist nonsense.
I didn’t find Pop’s post to be anything unusual.
I don’t like the trolls and wish that WE could/would do something about it.
A little strange.
Hey, GMC maybe we BOTH imagined it?
Cue the Twilight Zoe music….
Cue the Twilight Zoe music….
Twilight Zone…….
Man, I need a new keyboard.
Or new fingers.
I watched enough Twilight Zone on New Years Day to last a year.
Tracy,*wiping tears*That’s one beautiful story. I plan to tell it multiple times tonight at the bar.
GMC since you wont do businesses at place that bans guns yet work at a place that does, does that mean you’ll soon resign? Also if Concealed gun carriers are so honest and law-abiding why ban guns anywhere?
Dingus:
Once again, the name fits. These are questions for effect, not for substance, but I’ll play.
2nd question first. Presuming we’re talking about a legal, licensed concealed carry, ideally there wouldn’t be any bars on where to carry. You’ve hit a good point – If I’m trustworthy outside a magic line, why am I not trustworthy inside that magic line? I am, of course; the CC holder didn’t change. Those lines exist for political purposes, to make CC more palatable to the masses, not to accomplish anything substantive. Such a statute would be more stringent than the current one, as well.
As to the 1st – No, sorry. Not at this point. I can abide by the law, ya see, even if I disagree with it. It’s called being an adult.
Regarding the Dodge City comments: What does the amount of “illegals” have to do with the price of tea in China? Is it implied that “illegals” will carry more guns? What a dangerous supposition. I would wager my entire livelihood that the most prevalent of concealed carriers are good old Kansas boys. A salient point was lost.
When I came home from work last week and saw the, “No Gun” sign posted on my home’s entrance, my first gut response was mirth. Then I remembered the new law. Within the subsequent three seconds it took me to access the entrance to home, I realized that despite the obvious humor of the sign, and the mental search to ensure I was in compliance, I was grateful for the sign. Without doubt, there will be those who disregard the law. And I know I have neighbors who will disregard this law. They ignore every other rule, so why not this one? Yet still I am grateful for the reminder. If nothing else, it is fine documentation of fair warning. The law is on my side.
WELCOME TO WICHITA ….. Set your watch back …… 130 YEARS!
We be packin, so if yo cut us off in traffic, we have justice now.
We be celebratin by doing some drinkin, so if yo piss us off, we be shootin.
If we see illegals, we will round em up, posse style. No ned for a trial, judge, or jury. We can make all decisions final!
What were our legislators thinking? Who voted to approve this insanity?
Hyatt Burpe
The only insanity here is your own words.
If you have to cook meth, open the window.
Hyatt Burpe
If you’d paid attention at all, you’d know that the scenario you paint has not come to pass in the 40+ states that ALREADY have CC. The sky did not fall. It will not fall here, the Eagle’s hysteria notwithstanding.
The bet offer still stands – and still no takers. Folks, (and you know who you are, (Eagle among them), you know the truth, and still you spout hysteria.
Chicken.