Sometimes a suffix isn’t just a suffix, or its omission can be an insult. Where the prepared text of the State of the Union speech last week referred to the "Democratic majority," President Bush dropped the "ic" syllable during delivery. That apparently inadvertent echo of Ronald Reagan irked Democrats, for whom "Democratic" is the preferred adjective. "He spends an entire speech talking about reaching out and working together, and a few people who apparently haven’t gotten the message run out and they complain that the letters ‘ic’ were missing from ‘Democratic,’" White House spokesman Tony Snow said Monday.
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…crats…
LOL I didn’t even catch it.
Maybe the Democratic majority leaders should now start referring to the Republicans as just ‘cons’ in major addresses. Lets see how the Cons react?
I don’t mind that the Republics choose to insult their political opponents in this way.
It also doesn’t bother me that the Republic President, Mr. Buh, chooses to indulge in this cheap shot.
Dave,Resorting to a new nic so you think you can remain anonymous and be a jerk? You fool no one.
You’ve got a point p-mom. If it is done to the Democrats, what’s the big deal but if it is done to the Republicans, there will be hell to pay.
I don’t doubt George W. Bush just didn’t read the speech as it was written but for Tony Snow to go a make a snide remark, is not going to help the already tense situation.
” . . . or its omission can be an insult.”
Really? How?
This plumbs new levels of silly and petty.
…Request WE Blog pay special attention to troll Dave outer January 29, 2007 at 01:00 PM…:-)…
Maybe we just return the favor and call them Repubs…..
The Repub Party.
Group Of Perverts.
So much for bipartisanship.
Screw it, let’s drop the gloves and get on with it.
Why is it an insult? Would one of you Democratics, please let us know?
Ya’ll did notice this came from TONY SNOW and the WHITE HOUSE?
This is a really pathetic attempt to make the democrats look trite.
My prediction: This next Presidential election will see an unprecedented amount of dirt slinging. Dems slinging eachother, and republicans slinging the Dems.It would be truly sad if the Dems did more damage to their candidates themselves BEFORE the election than the Republicans could do.
No troll here, just returning your favor Dave.
Well, outlander, would you be okay if we mispronounced your name every time it was mentioned in public.
The teleprompter (brain) gave Bush the correct name, so why did he go out of his way to screw it up?
A little partisan dig?
Fair enough.
But expect the Democrats to play the same way for the next two years and beyond.
I could care less whether they call me progressive, liberal, democrat(ic), whatever…
But:
Can one of you RepubliCONs please explain to me how you can still be a CON after these past 6 years.
Andrew, perhaps a bit before your time, but the same thing routinely happened in the Republican primaries, thus giving rise to the so-called 11th Commandment (Dole? Reagan?), which, paraphrased, was that a Republican should not speak negatively of a fellow Republican.
That IS how they lost to Clinton in ‘92…
…Counts the number of times ‘Democrats’ used on www-democrats-org, Crat National Party Official Website and giggles…
Remember when after six years in office, Preside Buh decides to say that “we must be good stewards of the land and concern ourselves with CLIMATE CHANGE”?
Check out his record so far–
“Dismay is being expressed across the world at the decision by U.S. President George W. Bush to abandon the 1997 Kyoto Treaty aimed at staving off global warming.” – CNN, 3/29/01
“President Bush dismissed on Tuesday a report put out by his administration warning that human activities are behind climate change that is having significant effects on the environment.” – CBS News, 6/4/02
“The Bush administration is trying to stifle scientific evidence of the dangers of global warming in an effort to keep the public uninformed, a NASA scientist said Tuesday night.” – Associated Press, 10/27/04
“A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a ‘Siberian’ climate by 2020.” – The Observer, 2/22/04
“A White House official who once led the oil industry’s fight against limits on greenhouse gases has repeatedly edited government climate reports in ways that play down links between such emissions and global warming, according to internal documents.” – New York Times, 6/8/05
“Scientists doing climate research for the federal government say the Bush administration has made it hard for them to speak forthrightly to the public about global warming. The result, the researchers say, is a danger that Americans are not getting the full story on how the climate is changing.” – Washington Post, 4/6/06
“A new report from the Union of Concerned Scientists offers the most comprehensive documentation to date of how ExxonMobil has adopted the tobacco industry’s disinformation tactics, as well as some of the same organizations and personnel, to cloud the scientific understanding of climate change and delay action on the issue.” – Union of Concerned Scientists, 1/3/07
*****
Worst. President. Ever.
“Democrat” is a noun. I am a Democrat.
“Democratic” is an adjective. I belong to the Democratic Party.
Saying the “Democrat Party” is like saying the “I am success” instead of “I am successful.”
It requires a modicum of knowledge of basic grammar. No wonder Buh can’t it right.
Big surprise there…
It’s really no big deal to me, call me whatever. I am a democrat. It is my party and I’m sure happy to be a part of my party.
Well, it’s a little bit ambiguous because a lot of political parties DO use nouns as their name: The Labour Party, The Tory Party, The Reform Party, George Galloway’s Respect Party.
But what it comes down to is the question, “what do the Democrats call their party?”
That’s their name.
NUCULAR
NUCULAR
NUCULAR
Tracy- It’s really a Code. The Shrub is really sying”
“NoClueNoClueNoClue”
It’s a pronounciation issue!
I care little about anything that comes out of the clown bush’s mouth.
More childish behavior from the GOP and the right – nothing new here. I guess that’s what you get when you can’t defend your disastrous record.
ROFLMAO
This is toooooo funny.
Democrats now ADMIT the word ‘democrat’ is an insult.
I knew that a LONG time ago.
Nothing new here.
Hey – I have an idea. Let’s just settle it right now in a non-confusing way.
Let’s call all Democrats, “Democraps.”
And then we can call their party the “Democrappy Party.”
Solved.
See – wasn’t that easy?
Better now?
Frank Luntz and Gingrich started it in the early 1990’s.’GOP strategists christen “Democrat [sic] Party” — and the media comply’http://mediamatters.org/items/200608160005
The WH website has changed the SOTU transcript from “Democratic” to “Democrat”.http://theprogressivetruth.blogspot.com/2007/01/white-house-manipulates-sotu-web.html
Well, let’s try and put this into perspective.
The best man the democrat party could come up with for their presidential candidate in ‘04 is overseas rubbing elbows with leaders that are openly hostile to the US and he is calling our country an “international pariah” and the libs are upset over ‘ic’.
Well, I guess if you have nothing else, that’s as good a thing as any to get upset over. Form over substance.
Hank
GS – and how about Repukes and Repukey Party?
That’s ok GS, I don’t wanna hear any whining from your side when President Hillary says in her speeches the Con party.
Boo Hoo Libs. You got nothing. Your leaders won’t try to stop Bush and the troop reinforcements. They won’t begin impeachment.The. Democrat. Party’s. Got. Nothing.
Hey let’s also agree to call GSheridan a cow.
I think I may do that. Anytime I’m addressing her posts I’ll just call her “cow”. Problem solved!
I don’t see how Hillary can be elected as long as she keeps calling her husband an evil and bad man. Not smart.
The real reason the republicans like to use the term Democrat Party, is because to call them the Democratic Party imparts the idea the Dem’s have democracy as an agenda item.
The Bush administration is doing a great job of getting across the idea the Republicans have nothing to do with democratic processes. To step in now and remove this clown would deprive this nation a valuable lesson that it will remember for many years. Nixon’s image will at long last be rehabilitated by this poser president.
…J R out of ideas…resorts to name calling female humans cows…Sad representative of crats…WE Blog should take a very close look at J R…
Hank Price,
“Form over substance.”
If there’s nothing to it, why did Frank Luntz suggest using it in the early 1990’s? Why did Gingrich and other repugs follow his advice?
…,Before I saw Junior, I’d have to agree that his behavior merits scrutiny by the weblog editors. However, having witnessed him in action at the meeting, I would submit that keeping him around allows us to claim adherence to some sort of quasi-EEOC principles.
or ADA maybe.
I dunno.
“I think I may do that. Anytime I’m addressing her posts I’ll just call her “cow”. Problem solved!”
I LOVE it!
And I’ll call you, “sow.”
Those will be our pet names for eachother. And they even rhyme.
Enema, now you don’t even make any sense.
Not that you did before or anything…
PM – who is enema?
JR?
pmom-Don’t you keep up with the news?Like always, I make perfect sense.
I agree that this is a minor matter. But, knowing its history, did Bush send a signal that he wants to work WITH the majority in Congress?
Actually that last post wearing my nic was not placed by me.
I don’t remember ever typing “problem solved”.
That rather simplistic post looks like it came from fleetwood.
I’d say GSheridan is more kook than cow. And the goofnut? Heh he didn’t even dare to wear his nic at the meetup. I found that indicative of gutlessness. Ask political mom, I did not even know that boob was there until the meetup was virtually over. Must not have had much to say.
Well at least he is consistent.
GS- fleetwood is enema, a play on the name Fleet’s enema. I’m sure you know who I’m referring to when I say ‘goofytesticles’.
JR, yep, everyone wore their chat ID’s except testicles.
I’d actually like to see enema and testicles at the same meetup. But for some reason I don’t see that ever happening.
“I don’t remember ever typing “problem solved”.”
Have you had black outs like this before?
And don’t change the nick you gave me now – we want to ryhme and all, don’t we?
GS, remember the problem we had on the other board, where someone would assume our ID’s, and post as if they were us?
That’s happening here too. I’ll show you, I’m going to purposely troll you.
Politicalmom is a big butt bitch.
:D
PM = I didn’t know who ‘testicle’ OR ‘enema’ was. I was starting to get concerned that you were fixating too much on that – you know – area of the body. lol
I thought JR was enema since he seems to have diarrhea of the mouth. ;) I’ve heard that’s a known side effect, however, of someone who has shit for brains.
Not that I’m accusing him of that – or anything. I know it might just be a simple learning disability. And I like to be nice to the handicapped, and all.
That’s me.
Big hearted.
Hey I do that well! LOL.
No, I like JR. You won’t like him…he thinks more like me.
GASP, how could you forget who Testicles was…Ksgolfnut…of course.
Junior,As I said multiple times before the “meet up” – I refuse to be known as a blog name. I put my real name on my nametag, as I said I would. If I “didn’t dare” reveal my blog ID, why would I make a point to introduce myself to practically everyone there as such? Junior, you were standing right there when I “uncovered” myself to Vaughn, GMC, Brenda and others.
Perhaps you were too busy thinking up ridiculous insults. *shock*
I find that most conservative women have checked their brains at the same door they must check their dignity at.
SO I afford them little treatment or deference as ladies.
The LAST big mouth female conservative ranter we had left us in the throes of an emotional breakdown.
We will see how long G lasts..
jr-Would you loan me $5? I’m a little down on my luck. I’ve heard you have some money now.
Apparently GS isn’t intelligent enough to know that a sow is female, although she should.
And I heard a rumor that Golfie isn’t the Adonis he portrayed himself to be. Perhaps he should try walking the course, instead of using the cart.
See? Anybody can be abusive. Frankly, it sucks.
rd-Tell it to your name calling Lib buddies.
JR, I’ve been battling GS for a LONG time now, and sometimes not so nicely. She WILL stand the test of time, I can promise it. And she can piss me off worse than testicles.
Until she just gets too busy or too tired of it.
And that was funny comment there about being all bighearted, GS.
Roxie,You heard wrong. =) C’mere and feel my biceps…or something.
BDP fleetie?
ONLY $5?
I figured lithium to cost more than that.
Goofnut? I guess you just escaped my notice. I was talking to INTERESTING people.
I’m tempted to say we should ALL get back to discussing issues rather than insults. But I have to say, after years of enduring testicles attacks…
Years?
I didn’t join Kansas.com until Jan, ‘06. And my first post wasn’t until March.
You think these insults bother me? Bawhaha! I could go on and on about Junior and his spitting/drooling… but it seems pointless.
Well good, why don’t you act like a college educated business GENTLEMAN and discuss relevant issues.
Homer Arafat.
Pmom,Ok, deal. And you do the same.
PS: I’ve hardly said a word to/about you since Thursday – resulting in your email to me on Saturday asking me why I’m being so nice.
PPS: My kid had an outstanding couple of weekends in the pool. Ask me about it, and I’ll give you the short version. =)
Ok Golf, tell me about it.
…
Are we gonna use YOUR blankie? Have mom wash it first ‘k?
Then I say bring it.
Threats are so not threatening when they come from a second nic.
Golfnutz,
As I told others, I wouldn’t go near you with a 10-MILE pole. You represent the most reprehensible of the male sex–egotistical liars.
Try growing up.
fleet,
I’ve watched you initiate some of the name calling, so keeping quiet on the subject would be in your best interest, don’t you think?
The only person I remember throwing childish insults at was Nathan and only because I’d had my fill, was multi-tasking, and he was badgering me. I overstepped even my bounds and am sorry for doing it.
The really sad part of this whole ‘Democrat used as an adjective’ imbroglio is that you’d expect such petty, bitter, vindictive language from anonymous web bloggers.
But not from the President of the United States of America.
…Yes, petty, bitter, vindictive language from anonymous web bloggers like…Pedant (getta@clue.com)…:-)…
Sorry but this falls into the “Sometimes a banana is just a banana ” realm. His fames from Texas, his mispronounce Nuclear, he is not a Oxford English professor! My God, if half of us would got to somewhere like Virginia. You would not be able to get through a complete sentence without having to stop and repeat a word several times. But because of the “What?” being said by the person you are talking to.One time I had to say “Wichita” five times before my uncle understood, he thought I was saying “Witches toe”.
Question is there anyone that does not know that he was inferring to the Democratic party? If not please give directions to the cave you are living in. I need a vacation from reality. This is a argument over which is worst to be shot with a S&W 38 or a Colt 38? Oh great now I started the next open thread topic huh?OK next nit to pick please!
Sure, writerdog, it might be a mistake. But. Just seems to make sense that if you want the other guys to help you then you should at least get their name right.
And this isn’t the first time Bush has used Democrat as an adjective, right?
If this were a single point, then yeah: mistake. But it ain’t a single point, it’s several times at least he’s done this: a trend.
President ougtta be bigger than that, imo.
Writerdog, I’m mighty disappointed in you from something I read while perusing another blog that I used to partake in.
I thought you were a level-headed guy, now this?
Whoa whoa, I read it before now! My things changed in a day.
What I meant by that was, your relationship with that one person who trolls over there.
Roxie,You’ll change your mind. C’mere. =)
GENTLEMAN!
I’m always a gentleman. I’m encouraging Roxie to show some love vs. being so hateful.
KSG = Dr. Love
Oh brother.
Is this the WE blog or the Love Shack?
KSGolfnut<——-clod
KSGolfnut <– takes nothing on here too seriously.
well guys, gotta get ready for work. Will probably pop in before I leave though.
You need to get a day job.
OK so, “Can’t we all get along?” has gone too, too, too far!
Can’t we just make fun of Fleetwood?
Fleets wasn’t part of the truce for as far as I know.
Until he holds up the white flag, he’s fair game.
Actually I like nights, I just don’t like THESE specific hours.
No No No, Pmom.
Being civil means being civil to all. Right? Weren’t you just counseling me to be a gentleman to Roxie?
I think we should refer to the Democrats by their full name: Bigoted Fascist Pigs.
Thanks, GN! You just made my day. The husband of one of my best friends died over the weekend, but YOU made me laugh. At you, of course. Does that count? :)
Yeah Mom, but can men and women be real friends? But hey she is like that wacky friend you hung with in High school. Life is not boring or mundane with scarlet around. Boy that whole thread headed South on me!We have since some what parted way, but then there are so many on that Other “Blog” that are nothing be trolls, I am guessing that is who you are referring to?
This post dated:Posted by: GSheridan | January 29, 2007 at 04:28 PM
was NOT posted by me. I would not insult PoliticalMom like that. We happen to be neighbors. And earlier on – the same was done to JR (according to him.)
While I’m sure someone with more access to the board thinks this kind of thing is cute – and a joke – I don’t.
This is the ONLY time it will go unreported, and I rarely report ANYTHING.
If whoever has done this – has to get their jollies by trying to instigate trouble between posters – that already speaks to a childish – or warped mindset.
But, I’m pretty sure using other’s accounts isn’t allowed.
So – fair warning – knock it off. Not just for me – for everyone.
GS,Read the post prior to the 04:28. Pmom was showing you what she meant by name-stealing trolling. “You” were her.
I seeeee…..
Thank you very much. I signed off yesterday without reading that, and just found the post this AM.
I’ll email her and chew her out.
lol
JR says:
” The LAST big mouth female conservative ranter we had left us in the throes of an emotional breakdown.
We will see how long G lasts..”
Yuppers – start your timer.
You’re barking up the wrong tree if you think I can be easily put off.
Let the games begin.
Josh Marshall nicely explains the Repubican use of ‘Democrat.’
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http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com
(January 30, 2007 — 11:58 PM EST // link)
“Matt Yglesias has an interesting series of posts on his site about just what the big deal is when Republicans call the Democratic party the ‘Democrat party’.
As it happens, a few months back I got an email from a TPM Reader who I think was a linguist. And he explained that there is something about the concatenation of syllables, the sound or structure of the phrase ‘Democrat party’ that actually sounds somehow inherently grating or awkward on the ears. When I got the note I think I was busy with something else. And I never really got a chance to work through and understand just what the guy was saying. I think I’ll probably try to dig it up.
But that is a secondary point. The whole issue of ‘Democrat’ party — other than as an example of Republican infantilism — is an issue of respect or rather intentional and repeated expression of disrespect as a means of asserting dominance.
There’s a certain conservative columnist named James X. who shall remain unnamed. At some point a few years back I had cause to exchange an email with him. And I called him ‘Jim’. I don’t think I gave it a second thought. I’m Josh or Joshua — doesn’t matter to me. But a short time later I got a half questioning, half barely repressed anger email from the guy asking whether I was intentionally disrespecting him by addressing him as ‘Jim’, the dimunitive form of the name. Now, as I say, it was accidental. I apologized and explained that it was totally unintentional. And if he preferred to be called James I would certainly do so. As it happens, in the intervening years, my lack of respect for him has grown apace. But I’d still always call him James and not Jim. And this is the point. You address people the way they choose to be addressed. You address them by what they consider to be their name. In the ordinary course of life, when people do otherwise, we rightly recognize that they’re trying to pick a fight or demean the person in question.
It is, as Matt points out, another illustration of the ‘bitch-slap theory of politics’. You assert dominance over someone by mangling their name and continuing to do so even after the correct pronunciation or style is pointed out. It’s right off the schoolyard and it’s no surprise that it’s a stock and trade of this president.”
I think the Democrat Party has more to cry about than this.
“the sound or structure of the phrase ‘Democrat party’ that actually sounds somehow inherently grating or awkward on the ears.”
You know, like Hillary when she raises her voice.