The death of Saddam Hussein seems imminent, with the New York Times reporting today that Iraqi officials were drafting the formal notice of execution: the same “red card” Saddam’s secret police used to inform countless others of their impending demise. The execution could follow within hours.
The speed of the process has surprised some American observers. And at least one Iraqi official expressed fears that it might undermine the perception that real justice was being served.
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Ain’t we been there recently? Rehash the effects of Sadaam’s death at the hands af the Shiite? Why?
Whatever happens is going to happen. I just hope and pray our soldiers do not have to take the brunt of any retaliation. This trial, no matter what the outcome would have been, is going to be questioned forever.
This entire Iraq War has been mismanaged and poorly executed. 20/20 hindsight is too late to be of any good now.
cnn.com is reporting as breaking news that Saddam’s attorneys are seeking a restraining order in U.S. courts to stay the execution. I would like someone to inform me how the U.S. courts have any jurisdiction?
VT – he is in US custody. I suspect that is their basis.
Perhaps this is their way to attach Saddam’s execution to the US and, therefore, any and all retaliation will be justified?
Just a thought.
Ben, I thought about that; however, the conviction and execution sentence were rendered by an Iraqi court. I also thought about the TRO to restrain the US from turning physical custody of Saddam to the Iraqis, but as most of us know, there have been conflicting reports all day about which government has custody of Saddam.
Suza, if his attorneys are Sunni, there is a sick kind of logic to what you posit.
Just a few minutes ago they said on NPR that Saddam is in U.S. custody.
NPR.
Oh well then..it MUST be true.
VT – everything I’ve seen in Iraq takes a sick mind to even comprehend – so that’s why I posted what I did.
Like I stated before, I just hope our soldiers are not taking the brunt of any retaliation.
So NPR is no Fox News Nutz? I happen to watch different news coverage, so somewhere in the middle lies the truth.
Suza, if there is violence as the result of the execution, the brunt thereof will be borne, I fear, by our troops together with the Iraqi people.
NPR it’s probably recorded from 6 hours ago in all seriousness.
I think we all can agree with your statement on the soliders suza.
However, to these manical terrorists, I dont’t think they need any justification whatsoever for their actions, except from their own perverted translation of the curan.
Quick, prompt justice. This is what should have happened with the Carr brothers. One appeal and do them in.
What’s sickening is that the libs want to drag these things out, costing the taxpayers millions to eliminate these vermin and then have the gall to say that the reason we shouldn’t have the death penalty is because of the extra cost.
Vermin like Hussein, the Carrs and John Robinson should never be allowed to live even a month past their trials. That they do is yet another condemnation of what liberalism has done to our society.
You forgot the BTK and from my home state, Richard Alan Davis probably tops that list (murderer/rapist of Polly Klaas).
Satan gets to be with his lover at last!
http://entimg.msn.com/i/Satan/SouthPark_satan_300×298.jpg
Agreed Kia but I don’t think terrorists need any justification for their brutality. But they are trying to muddy the water by shifting the blame to the US and then they are recruiting more radical terrorists to join them.
They are saying he will be hanged by 9:00pm CST.
He’ll be dead by 9pm CST.
How come we have to hear from the conservative NPR & NY Times all the time? They make me sick with their right wing wacko crap all the time. Everybody knows they are in the pocket of the GOP!
since when is NPR on the right wing wacko list?
AP reports that there is a Muslim religious issue.
This is apparently some sort of Muslim holiday that celebrates sparing life.
Probably NOT a good day to off Saddam…..
Because NPR reports the truth! So that makes it right-wing radio!
I can’t recall who it is on this blog, but they insist on saying that the MSM is right leaning. We’ve gone around and around about this. It’s ridiculous, of course. After Fox News, Rush, Hannity, Washington Times and a very few others, you are done.
Suza,
That was fleet’s lame attempt at sarcasm. In fact the Bush administration installed personnel at NPR to insure that they presented balanced, rather than overly progressive, viewpoints.
The above kind of nonsense is favored by right-wing whackos, as is the Bush administration’s mole at one of the science agencies (I forget which one) where the said mole rewrote web sites and other communications that were considered offensive to their Christian world view. That kind of nanny-state, KSGN and Fleet approve of. *Once more, shaking my head*
MSM is right leaning, because they are about the all mighty buck! Isn’t that a rightist thing to do?
Espeically when Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes baby and lost mountain climbers are the big news of the day.
So if this a Muslim holiday for celebrating sparing life – is this a stall tactic? or like a pardon of some sort?
No name, we liberals didn’t instill that policy but it is never good to put someone to death without time to bring new information to light. But you probably think that all those released from death row because they were innocent should have been put to death because hey, what’s an innocent person’s life anyway? Someone’s gotta pay.
Testicles, they’ve been saying on other news networks that US has custody of Saddam too. But I know you’re not one to worry about facts and stuff. Just wondering if NPR and Fox reported the exact same story, would you say Fox was telling the truth and NPR was inaccurate? LOL.
FYI, Pee -
My balls tingle every time you mention them. =)
so, we are killing a leader we put into place 20 years ago and we are supposed to celebrate it? Meanwhile, Ossama Bin Forgotten is still free and he is the one responsible for 9/11
when other nations come for bush for his crimes, I will stand back and let them come
Leave – I’m also still waiting for Bush to make good on his promise of capturing Bin Laden. But that’s not going to happen and we both know it. But Bush keeps plugging along with the help of his loyal supporters.
Thank you, Leave. I’ve been waiting for one of you people to shed a tear for Saddam. You people are so predictable.
What crimes has Bush committed?
Suza,Do you think we’ve abandoned all efforts to catch UBL?
who said Leave was shedding a tear? She was stating his/her opinion and as far as I know, that is still allowed in America.
The Shiites ought to offer Saddam to the Sunni’s as a peace offering, maybe start the ball rolling in the opposite direction.
George W. Bush stated himself that he doesn’t even think about Bin Laden anymore. So why would he invest any more time or energy into something that he doesn’t even think about?
And don’t even try to tell me there is some secret mission to get Bin Laden.
“so, we are killing a leader we put into place 20 years ago and we are supposed to celebrate it?”suza- What else would you call the above? and stop with the “it’s my opinion and that’s still allowed in America” crap.No one said he couldn’t say what he wanted, it’s just a stupid thing to say. You know about that, obviously.
Suza,Is that a ‘yes’?
why don’t all you bush lickers sign up for his escalation???
I am shedding tears for Betty Ford and for all the soldiers killed in this halliburton/oil war
illegal and bush? hum let me count the offenses
illegal warillegal tortureillegal phone tappingillegal election fraud…
thats just for starters
thought so
fleetwood mac and cheese and testicles can not refute truth
when they are called on it they back away like the cowards they are
again…why are they not enlisting for the coming escalation?
Leave you are a mental midget.
From the UN:
“”The appeal judgment is a lengthy and complex decision that requires careful study,” Louise Arbour, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, said in a statement.
Arbour also said that under the terms of international agreements signed by Iraq Saddam had the right to appeal to “appropriate authorities” for possible commutation or a pardon.”
I think the IRAQI’S are the “appropriate quthority” and the UN can just go hang itself.
As for the process, it is fully within the laws of Iraq, and THEY have jurisdiction. As for the US having custody, the Iraq government REQUESTED this to serve in their stead until execution and to keep Saddam seperate from all his baathists undercover folks. THe US had NO JUSISDICTION in this at all. As for Leave, you can’t have it both ways. Either the trial was legal (and a helluva lot more than the Kurds got) or the war and the trial was not. Iraq just gave a vote that the war was NOT illegal, WAS JUSTIFIED, and was a good thing for Iraq.
Let the flames begin for I AM ASBESTOS!!!!
nothing about this is legal and you know it.
mental midget is laughable..
if thats all ya got, then bring it on
“Iraq just gave a vote that the war was NOT illegal, WAS JUSTIFIED, and was a good thing for Iraq.”
When was the election held?
The execution of a former US ally will make very little difference there. The war will continue.
I’m wondering how many of you were in the wack job 15% or so of the country that did not support the President in the day immediately following 9/11. And if you were part of the 85% that supported him, what changed your views from then to now?The man and the war we are fighting hasn’t changed. But it seems roughly 50% of you have.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html
“When was the election held?”
In Iraq, about 3 of them. In the US Congress the Iraq resolution passed with only 2 votes (that means ALL DEMS voted for this and now weasle out), except for Kucinnich (sp), whom I do respect, voted against and his is THE ONLY VOTE that has not changed on the Dem side.
SO quit the BS about the “illegal war” it wasn’t illegal.
ALso quit the inflammatory language pointed at your country, it is a troop “surge”, which YOU DEMOCRATS have been whinning for for 3 years, but NOPW you call it “escalation”??
Transparent and dumb, and WRONG HEADED!!
You are a dipshite.
surge..escalation same damn thing
I was with the nation on 9/11 and when we went to Afganistan it was justified…
the iraq war is illegal”besides this is the guy that tried to kill my dad”
even bush 41 had enough sense to not do what dumbass is doing
Iraq has never held an election on the invasion as you claim.
As for the “surge” THAT was recommended by Bush’s military advisors long ago WHEN IT MIGHT HAVE WORKED! Now it is too late, as pointed out by Powell. And yes, it is “Transparent and dumb, and WRONG HEADED!!
You are a dipshit.”
KIA – I was all in favor of going after Osama bin Forgotten.
“besides this is the guy that tried to kill my dad”Posted by: Leave | December 29, 2006 at 05:43 PM
So can you show me where that direct quote was made or just more leftist babble that should be coming out of your butt but instead is out of your mouth?
oh and just for your info dumbass
I voted for Ford, Reagan and Bush41 the first time
Bush frat boy 43 has ruined what was once a good party
Bin Laden has been a CIA asset from that start. Use your melons, coconuts!
Viva la Raza Blanco!!
well, CNN just showed a clip of bush saying it, but here ya go
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/27/bush.war.talk/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klxIHSzshKQ
Good job leave.So how does this disprove that Iraq is part of the war on terror however?And do you and anyone else believe that the capture or killing of Bin Laden (and suppose this happened even in September of 2001) would have stopped terrorism?All 9/11 did was show us what terrorism is capable of. It wasn’t about one person.And No, I’m not discounting that fact that he is still at large. Or not saying that a number of mistakes must have been made for him to not be captured by now. But it doesn’t stop with him.
THAT WAS A DIPSHITE ACTOR! PROVE IT WAS REALLY BUSH! SO QUIT THE BS!
KIA – the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. You know, that country controlled by the House of Saud allied with the House of Bush. The home of Wahabi movement; now threatening to intervene in the Iraqi civil war on bahalf of the Sunni. The group that will give alQuada a REAL foothold in Iraq.
From John King (CNN)Friday, September 27, 2002 Posted: 1:48 AM EDT (0548 GMT)
“There are fine senators from both parties who care deeply about our country,” Bush said.
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——————————————————————————–HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) — President Bush leveled harsh criticism Thursday at the Senate on homeland security issues, but he revised his stump speech to make clear “there are fine senators from both parties who care deeply about our country.”
And, in discussing the threat posed by Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, Bush said: “After all, this is the guy who tried to kill my dad.”
Do I think Saudi Arabia is on the death list? Absolutely.Along with Egypt, Iran, Syria, Lebannon, Pakistan, the UAE, Kuwait, help me out with some other muslim lands.
I’m so fucking stupid that I spit in my own face. God I’m dumb. I’m anti-government and hate fills my life 100% of the time. If they would have listened to me, the war in Iraq would have been won. Blah, blah, blah, I’m a bigmouth dumb ass with nothing better to do than bitch bitch bitch. I’m a traitor and it’s obvious, but I don’t care, because hate spews from me at all times and controls me.
suza,You’re nothing but a loser traitor bitch! I hope you have a terrible next year, and years to come. Curse you!
So, KIA, by your logic since one group of a religion are terrorisys we need to commit genocide against all of them; and add to that the 40% or so of our enemy Lebanon who are Christian?
the only person that answer nutz question about stop efforts to find Bin Laden would be George W. Bush himself – and he has already stated that he no longer thinks about Bin Laden. So Nutz if you think someone is planning on catching someone they no longer think about then you are apprropriately named – nutz.
“THAT WAS A DIPSHITE ACTOR! PROVE IT WAS REALLY BUSH! SO QUIT THE BS!”
This is NOT my post. I do not know whom the troll was, but it was not me, nor my style.
Same ASBESTOS and using the bb@bb.net, but was NOT me.
Watch for trolls. Some might find me to ba an asshole, but at least I am genuine.
The leftist is trolling again!
like the suza troll at 6:09
yes, the troll is again active tonight. He/she must have a lonely and pathetic little life to be amused at such childish and boorish behavior.
Ben I think we will find the funding of muslism extreme terror groups goes to every country in the middle east, Yes.How we sort out the Governments/Monarchy’s/Dictatorships and those that support them from the innocent peace loving civilians I don’t have the answer to.
I dig myself plenty of holes on my own without being trolled:-)
“surge..escalation same damn thing..”
OK LEAVE, they why have most of the Democrats (Kerry, Kennedy, et al) been calling for *escalation* for over 3 years then??? HMMM? Your guys just want more blood???
I guess it is only the same thing when a dipshite like you uses it, and your opposition uses it it is different meaning then??
“Bush frat boy 43 has ruined what was once a good party”
Oh IO think he had LOTS of help from idiots like Brownback.
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“Iraq has never held an election on the invasion as you claim.”
You know what you said and exactly what I mean, that is a crap response Bennie boy. Your your brains, you have them for more than looks.
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“So, KIA, by your logic since one group of a religion are terrorisys we need to commit genocide against all of them; ”
He did NOT say that Bennie boy, you are spinning his words. Crappy response number two.
I am not a leftist but I am not a rightie either. I am just one of the majority that now disapproves of the way Bush has handled the Iraq War. Why does that make me and others like me unpatriotic? How does that make me a terrorist lover? It doesn’t.
I want our soldiers in Iraq to be completely supplied with any and all equipment they need to get the job done. I want our soldiers to be there for the right reason. I want to know that our soldiers will come back to us as soon as possible. And I am tired of hearing all kinds of excuses from George W. Bush and his fellow Republicans how they are failing because the majority of Americans are now questioning them.
This Iraq War has been mismanaged and poorly executed from day 1.
I am pretty sure the “trollie” is LEAVE, whom was SUZA, and Asbestos (not me but taking my ID).
The sign of a weak mind on a blog is a troll and spinning responses and re-interpreting them out of context ie “quote mining”. It is also the sign of a weak argument.
Leave is not a troll…Leave had a different name, but LEave stands for Leave my body alone
GFY
I agree with you Suza.
While I don’t disagree with us going to Iraq and deposing Saddam, the aftermath of the security is a bad thing.
We did what we were suppose to do. We even rebuilt their infrastructure. It may not be American or European standards, but we accomplished our mission there.
Being on police patrol isn’t our business. We need to leave that up to the Iraqis. Help support them, train them and equip them, but we don’t need to do their job.
That is where I stand. And it’s not an illegal war to me.
“And I am tired of hearing all kinds of excuses from George W. Bush and his fellow Republicans how they are failing because the majority of Americans are now questioning them.”
Very good realsuza, and I agree. But the other side (and other Republicans) can’t have this both ways.
The border has to be secured, AND no one in without our CONTROLING that process, and we WIN in Afghanistan, but we must win in Iraq as well. Is it f-ed up? Yes, not many wars are fought perfectly or even “reasonably”, but surrender is no option here and now.
I think that when lots of people see Saddams corpse, many things will START to change. Everyone wants freedon NOW, and very few are patient about allowing it to come.
ASSIE BOY – yes, I know what you said “Iraq just gave a vote that the war was NOT illegal, WAS JUSTIFIED, and was a good thing for Iraq.” So, I asked when Iraq gave that vote which would seem to imply some sort of election or referendum. They have not had such a vote.
Mr KIA stated that a large list of countries were on a death list. Seeing as over a half-million Iraqis have dies already how many millions would KIA kill?
Crappy responses ASSHOLE boy.
“GFY”
OH rapier like wit! You can get a degree in GFY University with about 30 minutes in the gutter. With a mouth and mind like yours, your body is safe, trust me.
Half a million? That can be disputed. Any credible and non-bias sources for that?
Nothing will change when we see the corpse. The civil war will continue anabated. Our Wahabi Saudi friends will start supporting the Sunni faction with alQuada. Iran’s influence will continue to grow from the mediterrenean to Afghanistan.
I hope you are right but am rather sure you are not. And, I have a lot more accurate in predicting this fiasco that Bush and all his idiots who told us it would be easy and over in a matter of weeks or at most months.
Joe – I think it was the British medical journal Lancet that had a figure of 600,000+
Sorry, can’t give you a FAUX or Rush source.
“Seeing as over a half-million Iraqis have dies already how many millions would KIA kill?”
Well Huie beluie, the Title of this thread was killing Saddam, and yes he killed a helluva lot more than 500,000. remember that 500,000 is TOTAL, most KILLED BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE AND COUNTRYMEN!!! Did not want to address that did you. And you pathetic screw state it like the US killed them all. Well dumbass, it IS THEIR religion that is supposedly peaceful and do not kill other muslims, but they continually make exceptions. So their religion is a sham.
” Crappy responses ASSHOLE boy.”
I thought you were a Phd.? I though you would have better words than the common monosylabic surse words. See idiot, I NEVER claimed to be a Rhodes scholar, just very inquisitive and curious.
SO you got a degree in At GFY University for 30 minutes in a gutter? OH, that is right, you have a PHd., that means that you sere in the gutter linger.
I did find a credible source though on Americans that die every year. 2.4 Million Americans die every year. About 18,000 are murdered every year. Wow!
http://www.itsmylife.com/statistics.asp
Interesting thread so far….
Joe, the number of Iraqi dead is based on the per capita death rate in Iraq before and after the Invasion. The number calculated totals roughly 655,000.
The total would include all Iraqis that died above and beyond the “normal” death rate.
If my memory serves, the total was calculated by Johns Hopkins University.
Joe?
Why would a LEFTIST troll be after suza?
Don’t feed the trolls.
I don’t care if or when they off this guy. But to me? Doing so on a Muslim holiday is a bad idea. It’s some sort of “life sparing” day is all I hear so far.
An even better way to handle this? Give Saddam to the world court. I mean he DID violate all sorts of international treaties and laws. Let the world court have him. Then they can take the heat for killing him or letting him rot til they do. We can say it was outta our hands. The Iraqi government can too.
Yeah! I think I remember that study. Just like any deaths that occur. The majority of the 600,000 were from natural causes or illnesses unrelated to war.
Yeah!
From Dr, Beluie<
“Joe – I think it was the British medical journal Lancet that had a figure of 600,000+”
Yeah and that is INFLATED, the UN states it like 150,000. Funny, that the cemetaries are not filling up as fast in a war and the aftermath than they were while Saddam was in power. Even with mass graves, they still built cemetaries and filled them faster then than they are now. SO much of the “collateral damage” is done by Iraqi’s to each other. Benni boy doesn’t want to address the “peaceful religion” that sends people into the streets to kill other muslims (ie SIN).
Make you a deal ASBESTOS – you don’t name-call and I won’t reciprocate. Your language invites being called an asshole; you even acknowledged that yourself.
And no, I don’t think UCLA or MIT constitute GFY University.
JR! I have no clue what you’re talking about. Never called Suza a troll. A matter of fact I was agreeing with him.
You’re confused man!
Joe – those were “excess” deaths resulting from the invasion/occupation
JR you are absolutley nuts:
“Doing so on a Muslim holiday is a bad idea. It’s some sort of “life sparing” day is all I hear so far.”
Would that be any different that the carbombs or IDE going off and killing civilians during a muslim holiday? You people need some consistency in your arguments before you see yourselves on “the moral high ground”. Good Lord!
“Yeah!”
The difference in death rates is the key stat, Joe. If x died pre-war and y died post-war, then the difference can be attributed TO the war, hence the total of 655,000.
150,000 is still alot, but it is a war zone though.
How about the 50 million people who have died because of the ban on DDT since the late 1960’s?
“Your language invites being called an asshole; you even acknowledged that yourself.”
Your statements and remarks invites calling you those names, but you refuse to acknowledge that. I guess you do not see just how arrogant and grandiose you seem, or how much self aggradisement in in your posts. Very little in substance. So whom is in reality? I believe it is me there again.
No ASBESTOS, there was no grandiosity or self aggrandisement up there, just your childish tantrum. I am the one in reality; you are in far-out never land.
I find that number very hard to believe that 600,000 are contributed to the war. I found the link and I guess it can be disputed, because their methology doesn’t seem right to me.
It just I’m skeptical at that figure right now. But this is what I did find.
655,000 total excess deaths up to July 2006—from the second Lancet survey of mortality (October 2006). Total deaths (civilian and non-civilian) includes all excess deaths due to increased lawlessness, degraded infrastructure, poor healthcare, etc. [1]
A minimum of 51,897 to 57,452 civilian deaths up to 27 December, 2006—as compiled from English-language media reports by the Iraq Body Count project (IBC). Reported civilian deaths due to insurgent/military action and increased criminal violence. [2]
100,000 to 150,000—estimate by Iraq’s Health Minister in November 2006, based on extrapolating the recent 2006 rate of 100 deaths per day recorded in hospitals and morgues backward to March 2003. War-related deaths (civilian and non-civilian), and deaths from criminal gangs. [3]
“At least 50,000 Iraqis have died violently”—as of June 2006. “Many more Iraqis are believed to have been killed but not counted because of serious lapses in recording deaths. … The [Los Angeles] Times attempted to reach a comprehensive figure by obtaining statistics from the Baghdad morgue and the Health Ministry and checking those numbers against a sampling of local health departments for possible undercounts.” [4]
To honestly answer Kias question,
I was NEVER “with” bush. Not for one minute. Not for one second.
Even when he was making his little speech on the rubble pile, my feeling was that he would use the event to go absolutely berserk and pretty much get his way and that we would surely be stuck with him for 7 more years.
I was correct.
BUT!
While I have misgivings about any military action, I was in support of the pursuit of bin Laden into Afghanistan and the destruction of the Taliban. I had been hoping for action against the Taliban for years. Of course, bush has now screwed that up too.
Iraq? I figured there were WMDs. bush pulled that wool over MY eyes too. I was against the war because I figured we would lose thousands of troops to those WMDs and I knew Iraq would be an open ended disaster. I figured that hornets nest was better contained then stirred up.
Sometimes I hate being right so much.
In 10 to 15 years the WHO predicts that the annual death rate for AIDS will be 3.2 to 4.8 million per year. The current death rate for aids according to the WHO is around 2.4 million.
Asbestos currently at the low end kills 2.2 million a year presently, to a high prediction of 4.4 million a year presently (From the UN ILO). The reason is because of the un or mis diagnosed asbestos deaths and illnesses that reslut in death.
So you see. ASBESTOS is a larger killer in the world, however it is not banned, and in Kansas regulated horribly.
150,000 over a 4 year time frame with INTENTIONAL killing is not even close.
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VERY GOOD JOE!!!
50,000 dying violently. The rest from crappy services such as no clean drinking water and swer service.
“Based on extrapoliation of 100 deaths per day”
Unh, EXTRAPOLATION is NOT a **STUDY**!!
JR…save your breath they will never listen to reason. Even when given the truth they make excuses not to listen
“JR…save your breath they will never listen to reason.”
You guys FIRST have to give some facts for us to REASON ON. You spout off some convoluted opinion with NO support and we are just suppose to take your biased word on it???
GET REAL!
You first have to *reason* in order to get one to *reason* with you. ANd that starts with facts.
Well, Asbestos, you have been asked before – what is YOUR plan to win the War on Iraq?
The US government-related sources seem likely to undersetimate the number – that would include the Baghdad sources. I;m not certain about the IBC group – who are they?
Whatever the number, I HOPE the execution gives some sort of catharsis that changes the way things are going over there. Bush’s FUBAR is costing our country dearly; unless it turns around I fear the consequences will haunt us for many years and the repercussions will spread across the entire region.
WS – batter watch it, he will accuse you of “arrogant and grandiose you seem, or how much self aggradisement”.
Look at what I posted and what Joe posted. That is reasoned analysis. Look at your pathetic posts, just unsubstanciated opinion with a lazy link, and then you spin the quote out of context, a=or just start calling us names.
You need intelligence first, then facts.
Your reasoning leave and that of your kind is 100% conspiracy theory.
“Well, Asbestos, you have been asked before – what is YOUR plan to win the War on Iraq?”
I see Bennie boi went out anc crioed to the rest of the liberal filth.
Well Wet Sex Clark, I told you that before too and you just ignored it. Spinning as usual there “Wet Sex”.
“Wet Sex” – You must have worked on that one for a long time.
Well since I am mentally impaired, why don’t you repeat your plan for the benefit of this thread?
Well as usual the IDIOTS missed the point of this thread, and as they do all the time, they change the discussion.
This is about Saddam being executed. Their responses?
“We hate Bush!”"Bush Lied!”"illegal war!”
All TOTALY IRELEVANT to the topic of discussion. IT is about Saddam with HUMONGOUS human rights violations, and murdering millions. However ALL that is overlooked. Every bit!
You make it about Bush, when this time,…. it wasn’t.
No ASSIE BOY, I haven’t “went out anc crioed to the rest of the liberal filth” whatever the heck THAT means. But I see your language is even getting worse but you will whine like the baby you are if such language is used back at you.
I don’t really see your plan for victory up there anywhere either. Just like Bush, just hope that the “surge” will solve things. It won’t. It’s too late.
this is absolutely about bush and his agenda to get saddam…cause he was the guy to try and kill his dad.
bush is a tard and our soldiers are paying the price for this
why are you not there???
And STILL they soldier on:
“Well since I am mentally impaired, why don’t you repeat your plan for the benefit of this thread?”
The “plan to win the war” thread was last month. THIS discussion is about SADDAM BEING EXECUTED, you intellectually challanged yahoo. Start the discussion by STAYING on the topic.
This thread is about EXECUTING SADDAM.
Even the bright ones just don’t get it and cannot see their own biased perspective distortion of their own line of thinking! Is is like watching a train wreck! LOL!!
From the Bennie the PHD.
“this is absolutely about bush and his agenda to get saddam…cause he was the guy to try and kill his dad.”
ROTFLMAO and spitting blood as well.
Countdown is down to hours.
The issue is not whether Saddam was a bad guy or not – there are many bad leaders/dictators in the world.
The issue is whether American Lives and treasure justified the cost to America.
The answer is no.
We were told that the war/occupation would last six weeks, absolutely less than six months – D. Rumsfeld (R – Moron)
Now we are in the middle of a quagmire that has no end in sight without an American defeat.
Nice going, George. We told you so!
ASBESTOS ?
If you were half as clever as you think you are you might be worth addressing.
This thread was doing quite well before you came in here showing your ass.
And as to my concern they not execute Saddam on a Muslim holiday? Doing that kind of thing would ENCOURAGE the car bombers.
Why don’t you offer a cogent thought instead of ranting?
“The issue is not whether Saddam was a bad guy or not – there are many bad leaders/dictators in the world.”
You did NOT post that, did you? A discussion about Saddam’s impending executions and you say it is not about whether he is or is not a bad guy? DO you expect us to take you and your posts seriously?
ANd you JR the idiot, you stated “And as to my concern they not execute Saddam on a Muslim holiday?” I posted earlier and you did not read. here it is again:
“Seeing as over a half-million Iraqis have dies already how many millions would KIA kill?”
Well Huie beluie, the Title of this thread was killing Saddam, and yes he killed a helluva lot more than 500,000. remember that 500,000 is TOTAL, most KILLED BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE AND COUNTRYMEN!!! Did not want to address that did you. And you pathetic screw state it like the US killed them all. Well dumbass, it IS THEIR religion that is supposedly peaceful and do not kill other muslims, but they continually make exceptions. So their religion is a sham.
ASBESTOS:
“From the Bennie the PHD.
“this is absolutely about bush and his agenda to get saddam…cause he was the guy to try and kill his dad.”"
Where did I say that? You, sir, are a liar.
So from a quote by the President about something that was true (Hussein did try to have GHW killed)you jump to your conclusions of Bush’s personal war. Did he allow 9/11 to happen for his personal war too? What about the attack on the USS cole? Was GW in the background pulling the strings? What about the embassy bombing in Kenya. Or Tanzania. Or the taking of hostages in Iran in 1980. Oh wait, he was a coke fiend then so maybe not that one (sarcasm).100% conspiracy theory
I’m not there because I’m 40. I have a wife, two kids and a mortgage and taxes to pay to support thing you do that I don’t along with dozens of other thigns I don’t support.
Would I let my sons fight when they are old enough. Absolutely.And I do believe that will probably be a decision my sons will have to face. My oldest is 10 years from being eligible. Iraq I don’t imagine will be the front anymore. But the war on terror will continue. Unless the Democrats surrender that is.
Did you graduate from sixth grade, Asbestos?
No one has suggested that Saddam is a good guy, nor has anyone suggested that he does not deserve the death penalty.
The point was/is that there are many bad guys in the world and it is not OUR place to play policeman to everyone on Earth.
Are you feeling a little disturbed this Holiday Season, Asbestos? Nothing is your stocking? No presents under the Tree?
Are you hearing THOSE voices again?
JR READ THIS, THIS TIME:
JR you are absolutley nuts:
“Doing so on a Muslim holiday is a bad idea. It’s some sort of “life sparing” day is all I hear so far.”
Would that be any different that the carbombs or IDE going off and killing civilians during a muslim holiday? You people need some consistency in your arguments before you see yourselves on “the moral high ground”. Good Lord!
Posted by: ASBESTOS | December 29, 2006 at 06:38 PM
LIAR ASBESTOS: Where did I say that. And KIA, if you are agreeing with him, perhaps you can find it.
SORRY BEN, YOU ARE CORRECT, you did not say that. Apologies there for you. It was Leave.
you rightie bush lickers are a hooot
you aren’t there because you are 40 and have taxes to pay?? There are many there who have kids and taxes and such. you make as much sense as pugnacious dick cheney and his 5 deferments or rush boy’s anal cyst deferment
this war is unjustified and wrong.
AFganastian and Saudi Arabia should be our focus not Iraq and Saddam whom WE bush daddy put into power
Blither yourself out Asbestos. I’ll be back when you are gone. You’re a waste of time.
Mr. KIA, even Bush and Cheney have admitted that Iraq and Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9/11, did NOT have WMD and did NOT have connections to al Qaeda.
What else do you need to know to come to the conclusion that this war has been wrong?
Off topic – Washington Week they were talking about Ford and how he placed country above self. He was warned that pardoning Nixon would end his political career; he did so anyway because it needed to be done. He is one of those presidents who history judges much better than we did at the time. We need a Ford today.
LMAO!Our resident drug addict is at it again. Hittin’ the weed hard tonight. Heck, it’s Friday; why not?
Bush and Cheney have never said that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 nor that Saddam had no connection to al qaeda. You’re high (obviously).
Even Slick Willie Clinton acknowledged that Saddam and al Qaeda were pals.
“Even Slick Willie Clinton acknowledged that Saddam and al Qaeda were pals.”
Provide a link, moron.
Clinton suspected that Saddam had restarted his WMD program because he had kicked out the UN inspectors.
After the inspectors were allowed back in, it was proven that Saddam only had visions of WMD in his head.
Post a link, Nutz.
BTW – Do a little research – weed is not addictive – alcohol is, however. Idiot.
OK leave, you’ve found me out. I’m the worst hypocrite in the world. I support the President and the War on Terror but am not fighting in it.Using your same logic why don’t you perform abortions?You support it don’t you?
I’m glad your kids are so expendable to you Kia.
I wouldn’t LET my kid fight for this sorry state of affairs.
golf – no evidence has ever been presented that saddam had any role in 9/11 or any connection to alQuada. There WERE elements of alQuada operating in Kurdistan under the protection of our no-fly zone but not in Iraqi-controlled Iraq.
Saddam was found guilty of ordering troops to kill 184 people, a truly disgusting inhumane criminal thing to do and it is for that action he has been sentenced to death. Saddam is suspected of causing to be killed (not personally killing) by means of military actions, false imprisonment, kidnapping by secret police, and war within his own country of what, 100,000 – 200,000 human beings? These numbers are all estimates and no one knows how many people died as a direct result of Saddams orders. Saddam committed these acts over a 30 year period during which he was the President of Iraq he was also an ally of the United States for most of his tenure.
In only six short years, George W. Bush has caused, by his direct actions and orders, the deaths of 3,000 U.S. troops, somewhere between 50,000 (by his own estimate) and 600,000 (estimate of “The Lancet” by interviewing people in Iraq) Iraqi civilians and uncounted injuries. He has also allegedly encouraged some of the same acts Saddam has been rightfully villified for; kidnappings, torture, rendition, imprisonment without trial, and retaliatory destruction of entire Iraqi towns.
How do we justify killing one leader who caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands and let another continue his killing spree unabated?
I wonder how Bush would fare in a trial in Iraq?
Link to Bush video – saying that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsPSI-tcoaI
WSClark
they will just say it is an imposter saying that just like they did when I showed them the one on bush saying he was the guy that tried to kill his dad
I’m glad your kids are so expendable to you Kia.
I wouldn’t LET my kid fight for this sorry state of affairs.
Posted by: J R | December 29, 2006 at 07:33 PM
I’d expect nothing less from you JR.I’m off to dinner with the family.Enjoy the freedom you have to spew the hate you do on here.Oh wait, you better think that thru. I’m sure these blogs are all somehow being illegally tapped.
FYI, Pee -
My balls tingle every time you mention them. =)
Posted by: KSGolfnut | December 29, 2006 at 04:52 PM
Testicles, I have some ben gay for that. But you have to shave first to get that REAL tingle effect.
WE know that Iraq did not have anything to do with 9/11. We got that. It is that with Saddam and his WMD program, (and program of faking us out on WMD) and his contacts and cooperations with alQuada “in the future” could cause problems. That is in the Congressional Iraq resolution and US resolutions as well.
It was never about Iraq being involved with 9/11, that is just a mantra repeated by the leftwingers for 4years.
That was what “premption” as a policy was. The Iraq war was NOT about “punishment” for 9/11 or for “punishment” for alQuada.
It was to preempt, to make a situation not happen such as crushing eggs so one doesn’t have chickens.
You guys argue the wrong point. 9/11 was not the reason for going to war in Iraq as YOU argue for punishment or retribution.
BUT to keep a 9/11 from happening again, you “crush all the eggs” so there is no capacity to use WMD in a 9/11 type attack.
It as not for “connecting the dots”. It was to “make dots go away” so there can be NO CONNECTIONS established.
That is the reality that the press and the leftwingers miss. WHY? because it makes little difference where alQuada is nor does it make any difference if Saddam had WMD’s or not, we smash the dots. Dots can come from elsewhere, however, the dots we know about are not working anymore.
THAT is the preemptive process.
Son’t you feel stupid now.
less than one hour.
Does it hurt to be as dumb as you, Asbestos?
Just wondering . . .
“Son’t you feel stupid now.” – Whatever that means….
So, smash the dots?
Saudia Arabi was home to 15 of the 19 attackers on 9/11. Saudi Arabi is known to have provided financial support to al Qaeda.
Pakistan provides safe refuge for al Qaeda. Pakistan already has nuclear weapons.
We are now losing the War on Afghanistan, due to a lack of resources. The Taliban is resurgent and now controls the southern portion of the country.
So, tell me again, why did we attack Iraq?
DUH, we attacked Iraq for the benefit of the rotten shithole of Israel and the zionist here in Amerika.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Go away, Santiago, this thread is over your head.
And isn’t it convenient that the guy with so many “dot connections” is going to be dead in 45 minutes.
Makes it a lot harder to prove which Americans (Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc) sold him the chemicals to make the gas that killed the Kurds.
Behave yourself, WS, it’s you leftists who are prattling on in simpleton Mikey Moore fashion when you say it is about the oil. Shrub is just a little traitor errand boy for the zionists.
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!
ASBESTOS,You said Sadam killed more than 500K. Have you not followed the charges on Sadams’ case? Sadam is being executed solely on the crime proven for the killing of 148 men and boys from the town of Dujail after an assassination attempt against him there in 1982.
148 is way less than the 150,000 Iraqi deaths figure the Pentagon acknowledges, has occurred at the hands of George Bush.
WSClark get real, you don’t want us in Iraq. Do you think for one minute I would take the bait here??? If you don’t want us in Iraq, why should I believe you want us in Pakistan or Saudia Arabia? That is just BS hypothetical from you. If Pres. Bush did make that call, you would just disagree with it. So whatever the guy does he is going to catch hell fromyou.
So do you think that makes you have great analytical abilities? Not hardlye there.
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“We are now losing the War on Afghanistan, due to a lack of resources.”
According to whom? Another OPINION you have that I am just supposed to accept? Well Kerry doesn’t think that with his remarks. He says Iraq is a cluster, however Afghanistan is going much better than Iraq.You are just so full of shite and absolutely high.
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“So, tell me again, why did we attack Iraq?”
You are like that fish on “finding nemo”. P-R-E-E-M-P-T-I-O-N. Smash the eggs before you have chickens. You bitch when we went into Iraq to smash eggs, NOW I am supposed to believe that you want ALL eggs smashed throughout the muslim world? That doesn’t jibe with your previous post about alienating the middle east.
That is what I mean about haveing conisitnet logic and analytical capabilities. Analytical capibilities cannot be found at the end of a lit joint. Some may think so, but just like a case of beer and someone saying “Hey watch this”. it is not intelligence, nor is it motivation.
And why would Shrub be an errand boy for Israel, Santiago?
“Sadam is being executed solely on the crime proven for the killing of 148 men and boys from the town of Dujail after an assassination attempt against him there in 1982.”
Guess that you did not read the NYTIMES articl that this thread started out on. There is another charge for 50,000 shi’ite deaths in the uprising following Gulf War 1. And there are about 300K found in mass graves bu the UN before they pulled out.
So you are correct, but correct with about a teaspoon of fact in an ocean of facts.
The 150,000 is in a war, Saddam just killed people, and tortured them. To equate the 2 is idiotic there idiot.
Morons are populating this thread, time to get out. I don’t want the dullenes to rub off and onto me.
and thanks to whomever reported me for soem unknown violation as I now have to spell out the letters in the box to stop spammers. But it does not stop me.
Something that I and Capn and ultra conservative Michael Savage have in common is a curiousity about the rush here.
It truly would have been interesting to allow Saddam to call witnesses.
You know, folks like Rumsfeld and Cheney?
Why the rush to judgement?
Hmmmmmm?
“NOW I am supposed to believe that you want ALL eggs smashed throughout the muslim world?”
Asbestos, YOU were the one that came up with the “smash the EGGS” rational.
So, why Iraq? Why not Saudi Arabia? Why not Pakistan?
And you really need to revisit that remedial reading class – never said anything regarding “your previous post about alienating the middle east.”
As for Afghanistan, you are apparently the only person in the Western world that thinks we are winning there. Afghanistan is doing better than Iraq – hardly a ringing endorsement.
Maybe you should have a “smoke” Asbestos, it might help with your logic and thought processes.
“Why the rush to judgement?”
Because that is what the Iraqi government wants.
“and thanks to whomever reported me for soem unknown violation as I now have to spell out the letters in the box to stop spammers. But it does not stop me”
No one reported you or anyone else, Mr. Paranoid. The pop up comes up when you post several times in a row without anyone else posting. It’s automatic – kind of like your idiotic posts.
Please, WS, educate youself on AIPAC, among other things.
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/jan/article400.htmlhttp://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=889http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/sunderland.htmhttp://amalekite.blogspot.com/
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Saddam is being killed quickly for the same reason that Milosevic was murdered before he could ask too many questions about our evil war against the Serbs.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
I don’t visit anti-semitic websites, Santiago. I also don’t visit racist, bigoted or biased sites.
Sorry – I take the trash out when the basket is full – I don’t bring the trash INTO the house.
Uh huh
Yes well just who pulls the strings on the Iraqi government?
Why no proper appeal?
Michael Savage just asked that question as well. So this is not a liberal thing.
“I don’t visit anti-semitic websites, Santiago. I also don’t visit racist, bigoted or biased sites.”
You visit “media matters” that is as biased left as you can get. As well as MSNBC of CNN.
So, are Santiago and Asbestos one and the same?
Rush to judgment?? How long did that frickin’ trial take??
Well I suppose all that damaging info that Saddam had on Bush and Cheney and Rove and Delay and Newt and all the rest of the right wing, will die with him. Too bad. Guess he didn’t think of leveraging it to stop the invasion. Chuckle…
One reason I might not want to see him hanged – I’d like for us to find out what he knows. Similar quastions have been asked about McVeigh – what secrets did he take to the grave? I’d like information about who internationallysupplied him with what he used back pre-Kuwait against our enemies.
2,993 total. 106 in December, the worst month of 2006.
Thanks, George, Happy Christmas.
ASBESTOS YOU CLEARLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH READING COMPREHENSION. The NYT article quoted on this blog and the one you refer to clearly states Sadam hasn’t been tried on the 50K yet.
Here let me quote it for you:
“A trial on the far more sweeping charges that he directed the killing of 50,000 Kurds in an organized ethnic cleansing campaign is still ongoing. The final trial, involving the savage squelching of a Shiite uprising in which thousands died, has yet to go to trial.”
Dude, you clearly need to take up an Evelyn Woods course to help make up for your reading comprehension.
Asbestos, what part of the article regarding the charges on the 50K which clearly states is ’still ongoing’ did you not understand?
As for the 300K, those are mere charges too–not prooven YET and they were never proven, because the “chain of custody” was broken according to the UN, who could not ultimately determine whether Sadam was ultimately responsible.
I’ve kept up with this case from the onset and am qute familiar with all the charges, when it was first presented, over a year ago. I repeat: Sadam is being executed solely on the 148 idiot Asbestos!
The charges on the 50K is still PENDING,and will ultimately become moot when Sadam is hanged-comprendes Asbestos?
Nothing I hate more than for some ignorant neocon idiot who can hardly read or lacks an inability to understand legal proceedings trying to ‘educate’ me.
“Sadam is being executed solely on the 148 idiot Asbestos!”
Screw U platypus why don’t you “evlove”? That is what is Proven yes. But how many other people have multiple cases pending, on upwards of 1,000,000 people killed? Yes, he is being executed for 148 deaths, for bbeing found guilty of that assassination attempt. But there is ght gassing of the Kurds, the Shi’ites, and the others.
Sadam is being executed because that is what the government of IRAQ wants. They do not care about your or my opinion on the matter. It is after all their country and their call.
Under your crooked line of thinking the 150,000 deaths you want to lay at the feet og Pres. Bush, um well, there are no charges at all, legally or otherwise,… just leftwing opinion.
So what was your point of comparision here?
Saddam killed millions, foun d guilty of 148 and executed.
Pres. Bush, BLAMED for 150,000 deaths IN a WAR and no charges or pending investigations of criminality in those deaths. (Remember you would have to charge the UN Security COuncil and the US Congress as well, they gave the authorization.)
So whom is the idiot now platypus dumbass???
YOU GOT SCHOOLED!!!
Dead.
By the way, the standard of proof used to convict Sadam was ‘by a preponderance of the evidence, as opposed to ‘beyond a reasonable doubt. The Preponderance test is a lesser standard and almost anyone can be convicted by a mere ’scintilla’ of evidence shown.
When Bremer and the State dept sent lawyers to draft the criminal penal code to convict Sadam, the American lawyers at the State dept., made sure the preponderance of the evidence vs. beyond a reasonable doubt would be used. So I laugh at this Kangaroo court. I agree with JR. This case should have been forwarded to the Hague for an independent international court to try Sadam.
So even with Sadams’ defense that the 148 assailants tried to murder him, the burden of proof can be easily shifted ‘by a preponderance’ to find Sadam Guilty .
He’s dead.
Your post platypus equating the two, one found guilty, the other (Pres. Bush)doing his job:
“ASBESTOS,You said Sadam killed more than 500K. Have you not followed the charges on Sadams’ case? Sadam is being executed solely on the crime proven for the killing of 148 men and boys from the town of Dujail after an assassination attempt against him there in 1982.
148 is way less than the 150,000 Iraqi deaths figure the Pentagon acknowledges, has occurred at the hands of George Bush.
Posted by: Platypus | December 29, 2006 at 08:17 PM”
I thought you were going away, Asbestos. Remember?
“Morons are populating this thread, time to get out. I don’t want the dullenes to rub off and onto me.
Posted by: ASBESTOS | December 29, 2006 at 08:22 PM”
Are you getting some dullenes on you?
it is over. He is murdered. May God have mercy on our souls.
The execution is a ‘dog and pony’ show for the ignorant masses like ASBESTOS who lack an in-depth unerstanding how Nocon lawyers from Condalezza’s State Dept traveled to Baghdad specifically to make sure the lowest burden was drafted in the penal code trying Sadam. Ignorant fools.
And ASBESTOS who is unable to read a simple NYT article and who doesn’t know the difference between a CONVICTION and PENDING charges calls other idiots. Hmm…Asbestos reminds me of the Gamelson from the Kansas.com board, who suffered from some kind of similar learning disability (by his own admission) and then attempted to take on the liberals (lol).
So continue to drink Kool-laid, neocon disabled pathetic fools.
The rest of the international community knows the kangaroo court who tried Sadam was a joke.
NO he was executed for crimes against humanity by the Government of Iraq.
I thought your liberals were all for human rights? How are you gonna stop it if you don’t punish the guilty? Oh, that’s right, You hate Bush, and will overlook your values for political points. I forgot.
I pray now for our soldiers in this illegal war for oil. Without strong leadership, it will be all out and out civil war and our soldiers will be stuck in the middle of this.
I hope bush is satisfied…now can we leave Iraq?
Saddam’s trial is just another in the long list of show trials that “our” rotten government has perpetrated. It all began with the show trial of the Nazis over so-called crimes against humanity and the so-called holocau$t, yuck!
Viva la Raza Blanco!!
Platuypus, you just posted:”And ASBESTOS who is unable to read a simple NYT article and who doesn’t know the difference between a CONVICTION and PENDING charges calls other idiots”
How does that jibe with the 150,000 deaths you are saying is “a lot more than 148″ insinuating that Pres. Bush should be in the legal doghouse. You do know Pres. Bush has NO PENDING CHARGES for those deaths you made in the comparision???
You are just pissed because I exposed your lack of consistency in argument. remember your post earlier:
“”ASBESTOS,You said Sadam killed more than 500K. Have you not followed the charges on Sadams’ case? Sadam is being executed solely on the crime proven for the killing of 148 men and boys from the town of Dujail after an assassination attempt against him there in 1982.
148 is way less than the 150,000 Iraqi deaths figure the Pentagon acknowledges, has occurred at the hands of George Bush.
Posted by: Platypus | December 29, 2006 at 08:17 PM”
You platypus are the kool aid drinker.
asbestosgfy
you are an ignorant boor and you need to go fight for your bushy’s war. Here, I made it easy for you just follow the link
https://secure.military.com/Recruiting/page1.do?ESRC=ggl_rec_genrec.kw
You are an amazing moron, Asbestos.
And you guys will do anything to paint America as the country that is bad.
You mean the govt., of Iraq, the lawyers at the Pentagon helped create via the king Bremer?Asbestos, Sadam was executed by a baby puppet govt., who is controlled by Washington D.C.
If the baby govt., or Iraq, was real independent soverign govt., then Sadam wouldn’t have been in the custody of the U.S. If Iraq., has such a soverign seperate govt., like you claim, then why is it that our troops are still over there?
Don’t answer it. Keep drinking the Kool-aid.
Just as all your posts have been doing. Do you even read your own posts? I don’t think so, because if you did you would be embarrassed such as platypus is with that circular logic that always ties up your argument and chokes it off.
“And you guys will do anything to paint America as the country that is bad.”
America – great.
Bush – bad.
Asbestos – worse.
Too bad the Kurds did not get to have their case.
And one wonders what secrets Saddam takes with him about nefarious figures in our own government.
“Asbestos, Sadam was executed by a baby puppet govt., who is controlled by Washington D.C.”
And that is why we could not go after Al sadar? Because the puppet US Gov’t. wanted Al Sadar alive?
I think you are serving up the kool aide.
As for the 150K and thousands more that will continue to die at the hands of your heroe George, wait until George travels to a European jurisdiction…one of these days, and some clever legal expert lawyer serves him with legal papers containing legal war crimes.
Are you famiiar with Gaston, the Spanish international lawyer who served Pinochet in England? that’s right. Gaston kept Pinochet under house arrest for 18 months!
Yep, Gaston or some other international clever lawyer will come soon, serving George or Uncle Dum-Rumsfeld, when they least expect it, with criminal papers, in the near future, and the rest of the legal international community will be laughing at you!
they can have Bush, I hope someone does serve him papers and tries him for war crimes! he is no better than Saddam
Drug addicts – the worst
Im sorry, are you admitting you are a drug addict?
I am sorry, maybe you could go to the Betty Ford clinic
Is that the best you can do, Nutz, stalk, troll and insult? Do you ever ADD anything to the thread?
BTW – I am still waiting for that link – Clinton claiming that Saddam and bin Laden were buddies.
“Yep, Gaston or some other international clever lawyer will come soon, serving George or Uncle Dum-Rumsfeld, when they least expect it, with criminal papers, in the near future, and the rest of the legal international community will be laughing at you!”
Remember that the international court doesn’t care if you are Democrat or Republican, they just hate Americans. That is why the US of A does not recognise any serving or the jurisdiction of the world court. Otherwise our soldiers would be up on charges and what the world court wanted.
That just puts the stamp of approval you love” you hate America”.
You are a traitor.
“BTW – I am still waiting for that link – Clinton claiming that Saddam and bin Laden were buddies.”
You are so stoned and incoherent you could not read it if provided.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040624-112921-3401r.htm
Jeez, I am confused now – Are Santiago, Asbestos and KSGolfnut one and the same?
Kind of like a Trinity of Idiocy.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/11/154020.shtml
Well ASBESTOS, the strongest drug I have had is caffeine – I’d like to see that link.
Saddam is dead. Lets hope that it leads to catharsis and somehow a way to reconciliation in that destroyed country.
Rowan Scarborough (Washington Times) has zero credibility. He is cut from the same cloth as Rush Limbaugh, Bill OReilly, Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter.
Try a non-propaganda link that makes sense.
golfer – all NewsMax and Standard have is some vague allegation that such a thing had been “suggested”. Hardly the sort of thing you and ASBESTOS claim.
Sorry, Ben, but if you think that this will cause sunni, shia, and kurd to join hands in national unity then somebody slipped something into your coffee. All the wishful thinking in the world won’t make it so, sadly.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Asbestos?
“U S of A”?
Do you also say YOOOnited States and nucular?
What a maroon.
Jeez, Santiago, your posts and those of Asbestos and KSGolfnut seem remarkably similar.
Nutz even calls me Clarkie.
Are you SURE that you three aren’t related, at least?
I think that the three of you are the same person.
keep tokin’, DA
Come on, Nutz, ya have to try harder than that!
Are you going to troll me now, Nutz?
President Clinton’s Intelligence brief Dated Feb. 6, 1998. That is where the CLinton Admin believed what the CIA told them of an Iraq Al Quada connection. Sec. of State Powell alos had the Iraq Al Quada connection and intelligence in the UN Security testimony.
BTW, our country’s OFFICIAL name is United States of America. That is what liberals have a hard time with with all the federalism they are quoting.
I bet you are the guys that say:
“‘Merica”.
ABC reports Kurds are outraged that Saddam was not tried for his crimes against them.
And so……ANOTHER bush stabs the Kurds in the back.
Death warrants – Saddam 148, Bush 152
The difference between Saddam Hussein and George Bush is that both signed death warrants but only one of them is in the dock. Let us draw some parallels between these two men and reach some conclusions.
Saddam Hussein, we now hear, signed the death warrants of 148 Shiite villagers who had risen up against him in Dujail in 1982, for which Saddam Hussein sits in the dock and could face the death penalty. George Bush, in his six-year tenure as Governor of Texas, signed 152 death warrants, a record for any governor of any state in the history of the USA. An example of what George Bush is capable of is provided by the signing of the death warrant of Terry Washington, a mentally retarded man of 33 with the brain of a seven-year-old. Pleas of clemency were denied after a hearing which lasted barely half an hour.
Saddam Hussein was derided because he invaded a sovereign nation – in the event, Kuwait, which was stealing Iraq’s oil by cross-drilling, and which had been warned against this practice. George Bush invaded a sovereign nation – Iraq, based on lies and deception.
George Bush accused Saddam Hussein of lying when he claimed he did not have Weapons of Mass Destruction. “This man stiffed the world,” he said. “We know where they are,” the Bush regime said. Rumsfeld said they were “In Baghdad and Tikrit and north, south, east and west of there”. Powell said, “They are being driven around the desert, in vehicles”.
But the one who was telling the truth was Saddam Hussein and the one who stiffed the world was George Bush. Where are the WMD?
“Sec. of State Powell alos had the Iraq Al Quada connection and intelligence in the UN Security testimony.”
Even Powell has stepped back from the UN speech, stating that it was an embarassment to him.
The Clinton statement was reported by the right-wing press to support Bush – it has no credibility.
These are the same people that said that Clinton was running cocaine while Governor of Arkansas.
Nice try, Nutz, er, Asbestos – whoever you are.
“Death warrants – Saddam 148, Bush 152″
Out of context asshole.
that was 152 murders that the STATE of TEXAS has laws that require this. If you don’t like it, do not come to Texas and Kill a Texan or anybody because in Texas As Ron White says “We will kill you back, that’s our policy.”
These were murders that had all their appeals exhausted. Not 148 innocent people murdered. Unless you believe everyone on death row in Texas is innocent.
You are an idiot Leave.
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The CLinton intelligence brief was made by the CIA and NSA, not a biased organization. Whether Powell Changed his tune, he believed the intelligence he saw.
How come you give Powell a pass on “seeing the light” but won’t let Bush off the hook for believing the same intel that bothe Powell and CLinton did???
Different standards? Oh, yeah, that’s right YOU HATE BUSH. That is your answer to everything.
Dumbasses!
Nutz – Santiago – Asbestos, you need to get some therapy. Really.
First, I didn’t give Powell a pass – I feel now, as I did then, that he sold out. He knew, as Bush did, that the intel was cherry-picked to support the rush to war.
Second, I seriously doubt that you have access to NSA/CIA – Presidential briefings.
They were REPORTED by a right-wing shill, a columnist that has zip credibility by responsible journalists.
Other than that, you’re doing great.
Try a good therapist – it might help with your anger management issues.
“It was to preempt, to make a situation not happen such as crushing eggs so one doesn’t have chickens.”
Dumbya not only crushed the eggs, he scrambled them. And what a fine mess he made in the process.
In case you didn’t know, the U.N. doesn’t need the ICJ to begin a special tribunal for war crimes. How do you think they created the Neurember trials after WWII? The U.N. charter and international customary law allows the U.N. to try the Bushistas in absentia.
The ICJ is a creation of the 90’s and even though George didn’t sign it, in 2002, it doesn’t prevent the U.N. from obtaining jurisdiction. So, I hope George continues to believe he is not subject to being tried, so that he can be served with papers by surprese. One of these years, maybe 10 years from now, George will be vacationing in Europe, and voila, he will be hailed into a special tribunal.
It is you who is the un-American by continuing to support this war criminal.
During WWII many of the ordinary citizens who elected Hitler to office were never tried, but today, don’t be so sure, you won’t face a different desteny, Asbestos.
Tonight I’m feeling very Machiavelli–and so in this endeavor, I propose ASBESTIS and his 30 percent of neocons who continue to support the Bushistas, be shipped off to the Nevada desert where they can be warehoused, until we broker a peace deal with Sadr who now holds the popular vote in Iraq. Yes, it will be a “quid-pro-quo”, where the rest of us Americans who want to live in peace can obtain 100+ years of cease fire and will benefit our children and grandchildren. In turn we good Americans will be getting rid of your gene pool.
I doubt if Al-Sadr will abide by the Geneva conventions, so lets hope he won’t hang you on that famous bridge in Fallujah.
Maybe then, we will never again, repeat the mystake of electing a neocon Bushista to our marvelous democracy.
Just give me one reason ASBESTOS why we shouldn’t ship you off to Moqtada–afterall, George unwittingly, allowed Sadr and the Shiites enourmous power by destroying the previous balance of power, and creating havoc in the entire ME.
Oops, I misspelled–it should be Nuremberg, not Neurember
HALITOSOS, the 148 death warrants were the result of an assination plot.How many different ways can you prove you’re an idiot?”How come you give Powell a pass on “seeing the light” but won’t let Bush off the hook for believing the same intel that bothe Powell and CLinton did???”Neither Clinton or Powell started an illegal war, doofus.
“The ICJ is a creation of the 90’s and even though George didn’t sign it, in 2002,…”
President Clinton did not sign it either.
“Second, I seriously doubt that you have access to NSA/CIA – Presidential briefings.”
Correct ther clarkie, but it is in the 9/11 comission report. It is also in the ISG report as well. Do you guys read anything other than leftwing blogs???
Infernal B I M not even going to respond to that stupidity. What are you trying to say there? That assassinating innocent is OK, but executing murders under State and Federal law is NOT??
Lordy!
Kia,You can be all high and mighty about sending your sons to fight the Bush war because, guess what, they are not old enough to go!! If I had any control over whether my sons and husband had gone I would have made sure they didn’t. This is not about US safety it is about GW’s personal vendetta against Sadam. It is an established fact that no El Queada was present in Iraq prior to the war and even now it is only a small group. I am totally amazed that otherwise intelligent people buy GW’s line hook, line, and sinker. Even now when faced with GW’s failure you continue to spout the party line. Why?
Ian,Doesn’t it bother you that no responds to your ignorant rants. You have no balls!! Can I buy you some. I promise to get the right size.
“It is an established fact that no El Queada was present in Iraq prior to the war and even now it is only a small group.”
No that is wrong. There were Al queada in Iraq before the Iraq war. Zarkawi (the one we killed in Iraq) came into Iraq with Saddam’s blessing to recover from injuries he sustained in Afgahnistan. THAT IS DOCUMENTED in the 9/11 and the ISG reports. You guys need to start understanding the differece from *opinion* and *fact*. You are usually on the side of *opinion* and you parade it as *fact*.
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” This is not about US safety it is about GW’s personal vendetta against Sadam.”
Un, yeah right. What the premption policy? How do you explain that one there Brenda??
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” I am totally amazed that otherwise intelligent people buy GW’s line hook, line, and sinker.”
I am totaly amazed at those that pukes like you give aid and comfort and support to the enemy and knock the US all the time. I don’t know how you buy that crap that is coming from the Democratic Party the last 3 years.
Are you guys supporting America … or just the Left winger Democrats?
Ian,I find it hard to believe you have any balls.Actually you probably do have big balls since only a man would believe the things you spout.Please explain what you mean by multiracialist. If you mean am I made up of more that one ethnic background then the answer is yes. I am of European descent, primarily German, mostly Mennonite, a little Irish,Swiss, with a little Cherokee.If you are referring to how I feel about people of color, then I believe we are all equal in God’s eyes so the color of your skin doesn’t matter at all. I have a brown step-granddaughter and will have more brown grand babies because my son married an Hispanic young lady who is bright smart and loving. Being a nurse, I know that if you strip off the skin we all look alike.What is your thing about Jews? Are you sure you are not part Jewish? Are you just projecting your hatred of yourself out on the rest of the world? Doesn’t it ever bother you that everyone here has nothing but comtempt for you?I hope you haven’t procreated and brought children up in your Fasist would. You know they say that Hitler had a small penis. Maybe it’s not your balls but your small penis that makes you so crazy!!
My guess has always been that Ian is either a teenager or just a troubled man who just gets off on getting people all worked up.He is a fictional character created for the delight of a sad person.
Interesting turn of events in Iraq. May I remind some that Saddam Hussein never was an ally of the United States. He got some special treatment after Iran did all that stuff with the hostages and what not.
Let me remind people that the Russia was an actual Ally during WWII, then they turned into the U.S.S.R and things turned south a bit. Then the U.S.S.R broke up again and Russia again is a sovereign state. But I think we have an alliance with Russia to the extent that they can do some things in that part of the world that we cannot because of their natural resource and political leverage.
Forming alliances doesn’t always mean trusted Ally and this included the country of Iraq as it was under Hussein.
Today’s Iraq is a mess. The whole country should have been put under Martial/Military Juridictional Law like post WWII Germany and Japan until things were sorted out.
As it stands now, we have an effective Iraqi government with their equivalent of the Nazi party (Baa’th) running around along with extremists of all ilk.
Want me to say it’s a screwed up mess. Yep, it’s a screwed up mess with the only good solution is to leave or start all over and take over the government.
Neither of those solutions is savory or in this case effective.
We went fishing for whale with a fishing pole and it aint’ working.
With Ian, I will have to agree, he may be all balls and no package. I could have ‘em the size of cantaloupes, but if I’m only the size of a Tootsie Roll Midgee, it’s about as valuable as a gold-plated horsenugget.
Just my 2 cents.
“Too bad the Kurds did not get to have their case.”
Right, JR. I heard a London-based Kurd expressing the view on BBC tonight that Saddam was about to present evidence on his, uhm, suppliers.
The ten years our own government and U.S. corporations enabled this man should not be swept under the rug.
Well, Seems Saddam was hanged yesterday. Now we wait and see what the reaction will be. The only thing that’s clear is that it won’t pass unnoticed.
all those of you who do understand the mafia in the neighbourhood, can understand the second sadam video. what the video really reveals is the rise of another equally barbaric sect the shia’s and the voice transcript – is more shocking – those guys with whatever elite religious belief they gotnone of the jonnies ever refered to ALLAH – I expected ALLAH WHO AKBAR – Every dog has his day okthis willy UNCLE SAM is brewing anthor ethinic war in that region, The second video is a master piecejob that uncle sam got done ! yes you can trust any of the babarians in the brotherhood or the neighbourhood. WHATS MY PIONT !WHY NOT WONDER WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE GUY WHO TOOK THE VIDEO ON THE CELL PHONE ! WAS IT A CIA MAN OR ONE OF THE BUSH’S COWBOYS WHO CAME TO DELIVER THE ROPE MADE AT BUSH RANCH ! OR AN EXPERT RESEARCH FROM NASA LEARNING TO HANG THE ALIENS OR THE PLAY MATE SEND BY PLAYBOY FOR THE SONS OF “MOM HOW MAD “Executions are generally expected to be solemn affairs –- certainly not opportunities for thugs to score some final sectarian points before the “enemy” is disposed of. The video itself seems quite distasteful –- but it is informative to the extent that it reveals the political baggage that the current government carries on its shoulders.
the second video audio translation “There are five men in black face masks who are visible on the gallows platform around Saddam, acting as guards. As they guide him towards the trap door and put the noose over his head, they start chanting religious slogans with the names of Moqtada al Sadr (the head of the Mahdi army, accused of organizing death squads against Sunnis) and Baqr al Sadr (the father-in-law of Moqtada). Saddam, a Sunni, is outraged at this last-minute provocation, and tells them to “go to hell.” “
Oh, crap.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/01/open_thread_2.html#comment-27205378
StillJM – “Russia” was the USSR long BEFORE WW2. Look it up.