Surprise! Operation Rescue, the anti-abortion group, named outgoing Attorney General Phill Kline its “Man of the Year” for his dogged harassment of two Kansas abortion clinics. The group lauded Kline as a political martyr who sacrificed his career to “stand on integrity and principle.”
The award confirms what many voters already suspected about Kline: He is essentially a social activist, willing to put his fight against abortion above the integrity of his office and the will of the voters.
Operation Rescue’s man is now Johnson County’s.
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I cannot imagine a more damning “honor” than to be named Operation Rescue’s MOY.
Ouch!
Kline should off himself now and avoid the embarassment.
What a surprise !!!! Who would have guessed ????? What a farce.
he martyred his career via political jihad on abortion clinics. sounds like something from al jazeera.
Notice Scholfield’s last line: “Operation Rescue’s man is no Johnson County’s.” Yep, Randy, he sure is, and they can have him !!
“now”. God, I’m qualified to be an editor at the Beagle. :)
rm – you tipe as gud as i do
;^)
Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!! He martyred his career because he didn’t have enough votes. Too bad he wasn’t in a real jihad in Iraq…without enough ammo. Phillkline = Major Frank Burns.
If Operation Rescue were smart, they’d have just rooted for him beind the scenes rather than hurting Kline more with this ‘award’.
But then again, we’re talking about Operation Rescue.
So does JOCO republicans have any recourse? Can they vote to recall him and the ones who put him in office?
Johnson County….phffttt….just a blip on my way to KC, MO.
The SOB lost his status. He’s down…and will be out as soon as the JoCo majority has anything to do with it.
PMom: TTBOMK, unless he was charged and subsequently convicted of a felony, (in which case, he would lose his license to practice law anyway), or was found to have committed certain ethical violations involving what is called moral turpitude by the State Bar, I think JoCo is stuck with him until the term expires in two years. GMC and Vaughn are much more “up” on current Kansas Statutues than I am, and perhaps one of them will have a much better answer than I do.
“Integrity” and “principle” sound like dirty words coming out of the mouths of Troy Newman and Cheryl Suellenger.
Californias recalled Gray Davis, and I don’t think he did anything wrong. We should be able to recall those who aren’t doing their jobs. If we’re the boss, we should be able to fire them.
This isn’t really news, is it? I know that nothing ever came from that situation about Bill O’Reilly somehow getting abortion records just as Phill Kline was on the windbag’s show and just before the election; but something sure smells fishy there. And don’t you find it interesting that nothing has ever been said about since?
Integrity? The Operation Rescue people must use a different definition than the rest of us.
CF: “Integrity” and “principle” are three syllable words…just because they heard them somewhere doesn’t mean they have a clue what they mean.
Pmom: Don’t kill the messenger :)!
operation rescue just has a different opinion about abortion than all of you. thats no reason to vilify them. i don’t always agree with their playbook, but i believe abortion is wrong.
I believe abortion is wrong but I also believe abortions protesters following the clinic workers’ children is wrong. So where do I draw the line?
Operation Rescue is one of those groups that needs the boogeyman of abortion to keep their tax-free millions coming in to their coffers. So, is that why abortion laws have not changed in the past 30 years?
If the group really beleived in what they protesting against, then do something about the unwanted pregnancy rate in this country. Do something about helping society be more equipped to handle parenthood. Don’t just go outside Tiller’s clinic and chant and sing like a bunch of loonies.
rm, not killing the messenger :D.
John, you’re welcome to believe abortion is wrong. Glad to know you won’t ever be needing one. See how this works? You’re entitled to your opinion on what to do with your body, and the rest of us get that same respect.
OR/Kline want to take that away.
Sunny OR is no longer tax free.
They lost their exemption recently.
JohnB: So, Operation Rescue can vilify Dr. Tiller, other doctors, and anyone that is pro-choice, and that’s fine, but here, in a calm, rational discussion group, we are dicussing Operation Rescue and Phillkline, we’re vilifying them?No, John, that’s not vilification!
FUCK OPERATION RESCUE AND PHILLKLINE! No, friend, that’s vilification!
who speaks for the rights of the unborn?
BTW, when OR puts those little whitecrosses in the right of way around George’s clinic, on public property, why aren’t they being charged with littering? Anybody know?
John: The same voice that speaks for the dead … the law.
Till the unborn is independent from the body of the mother, the rights are deferred to the mother.
Tell ya what….why don’t you go down to the hospital right now and become a life support system for one of the people there. Why not? Don’t want to? It’s your life? What about the right of that other person to live?
hate to burst your bubble but Operation REscue people simply changed their name of their group when threatened with the loss of tax-free exemption. The same people formed a new group and are tax-free. Only in America.
so it’s ok for mom to kill her baby. i don’t care who you are, that’s just wrong. that is not how civil people behave.
Civil people live by the laws, including the laws they don’t like. The law says abortion is legal. If you don’t like that law, get up off your ass and get it changed. Walking around carrying signs in front of Goerge Tiller’s clinic is not going to change the law. The are procedures, rules, ways to do it. If you’re not willing to do those things, go home have more kids, or whatever it is you do at home.
i said i dont agree with their playbook. but peaceful protest is the american way, isn’t it?
No, John, legislative process is the American way.
I like how John ignored my analogy. But pretty good one eh? Maybe someday we can demand so-called pro-lifers to go hook their veins and arteries up to a person to be a real live life support machine like they expect women to be.
Sunny, that’s so wrong, no I didn’t know they got away with that.
I understand you point of view, John. I agree that abortion is wrong. The problem with OR and others like them is that they make the prolife side look bad and drive those on the fence about the issue to the opposite side, just like what Fred Phelps does with the gay issue, it makes you want to go out and champion the rights of gays.Abortion isn’t going to go away, the best thing we can hope for is more education to change people’s hearts, more interventions to prevent unwanted pregnancies, and more resources to help women who want to give birth.
thank you mary. you are so right, and you didnt resort to ugly. i wish the true answer was to not outlaw abortions but to make them obsolete by never needing them.
and thank you for being so polite unlike polmom.
I would love that Mary. I wish women who didn’t want to be pregnant never got pregnant. I wish mothers of teenagers would be more open and honest about birth control and education. I wish that there were schools for teen mothers to go earn a college degree/trade. I wish mothers who have dangerous conditions could put her baby inside another woman. I wish pregnant women who just didn’t want to have babies could do the same. I wish that everyone would quit looking at girls who get pregnant as sluts. I wish rape never happened. I wish men wouldn’t use women then throw them away.
Well said, Mary. Education, intervention and resources can do wonders. “Changing peoples’ hearts”, why ? Pro-choice people will still be pro-choice, pro-life people will still be pro-life. Here’s a novel idea — work together and present all of options, objectively: education, intervention, resources. Nahhhhh, that actually makes sense and might work.
I agree Mary Caruso. I would like to see the need for abortion to be addressed. In this country there is no reason for people to go without health insurance or working 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet. Seems like child abuse and domestic abuse is rampant. But yet these problems are never addressed – only the OR still gets to do their stupid protests and gets their mugs on television.
Have you donated a kidney today?
I disagree rm – I was told by an OR person that if I was not out protesting abortion at Tiller’s clinic – then I was pro-choice.
I don’t consider myself pro-choice but I do not think it is my right to go tell someone else she cannot get the abortion when the procedure is legal.
so what does that make me? There is no label for many of us moderates in the middle. I think there are many people like me. We do not like abortion but I do think there are certain circumstances where that is the best thing. So, according to you, I could never be pro-life. But I do not believe in abortion on demand and whenever during the pregnancy.
This issue is not just black and white. Life is messy and very gray sometimes.
John, you say abortion is wrong, which in turn means that women who choose abortion are wrong…without even knowing why women choose it in the first place. How can you sit in judgement when you have no idea?
The better choice of words is, abortion is unfortunate. I think we can all agree on that.
No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once :)
Sunny: I’m not labeling everybody as pro- or anti-, at all. Actually, the “grays” in the middle are the ones who need to bring the two ends toward the middle for real solutions. I’m not even sure what you are disagreeing with me about — it seems to me that we’re on the same side !?!
polmom i think you just feed off the drama.
I think the taking of innocent human life because it’s not wanted, inconvenient, imperfect, or whatever, is wrong. But there are things that are more wrong, like allowing a 12 yr old to give birth or forcing someone to have a baby when they don’t want to or when they have no business being a parent. It’s all wrong, but it’s part of the human condition. Life SHOULD be cherished, but that’s not the reality in our world. To me, changing people’s hearts means encouraging a woman to take a chance and give the unborn life a chance. I’ve met many women who, years after having an abortion, would have made a different choice if given the chance to do it over. I’ve never met a woman who was sorry that she gave birth. An unwanted pregnancy is a temporary problem that often results in an impulsive decision, but what seems like the easiest and quickest solution is often the hardest choice to live with afterwards. Once a baby is aborted, it’s forever.
So, JohnB, what would you do about the issue of unplanned pregnancies?
Adoption is not the answer, since there are so many children waiting for adoption right now. The list grows longer by the day with no one stepping forward to help these children.
What would you do about the people that find themselves pregnant and no way to provide for another child?
What is the answer?
Just saying “no more abortions” is not going to make the issue of unwanted pregnancies go away.
Is that why you keep ignoring the points I’m making? Or is it because you don’t have a response other than to say I’m feeding off the drama?
Or maybe my rights and the rights of women who need this is important to me?
The signs in front of the clinic ARE illegal. City ordinance states that signs have to be attended by one person per sign, and not left. They also are on public right of way property, and further, are illegally placed in the parking. However, laws never did concern the self-righteous right… or Phill Kline. Or, for that matter, our mayor and City enforcement officers.
Californias recalled Gray Davis, and I don’t think he did anything wrong.Posted by: political_mom | December 19, 2006 at 07:44 PM
Besides attempting to triple our car tax and give drivers licenses to illegal aliens.If you aren’t happy with your representation you sould look into the state recall laws and try it.I don’t recall how many 1,000,000’s of signatures were needed out here to put the recall election in motion, but it was alot. I’m sure it would be a lot less in Kansas with the smaller electorate, but you get the point.
PM where do you get these stupid analogies you come up with. Birth control is legal why not use it. Don’t tell me that every abortion is the result of rape and/or incest. Education is the answer but not the kind we have in public school. The problem has escalated and young men and women are having multiple babies before they are not old enough to graduate from high school. If abortion is so readily available why are these babies being born? Could it be that abortion has become a form of birth control for women who can afford it. Tiller doesn’t live is his mansion because he gives them away for free.
The unborn are the most helpless of us all and we have laws that protect unborn puppies but not unborn babies. What is wrong with that picture.
This is a social issue and I for one admire what Phil Kline did. He tried to reveal the dirty little secret of underage pregancies by showing that a crime had to have been committed for that to happen. Why would anyone try to keep this from seeing the light of day?
There were 1.29 million abortions in the U.S. in 2002.Each year, approximately 13,000 women have abortions after being the victims of rape or incest.
This is a little more than 1%.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/clinic/wars/faqs.html
So far as I know, Mary is the only truly pro life poster we have.
“He tried to reveal the dirty little secret of underage pregancies by showing that a crime had to have been committed for that to happen.”
That is nonsense. Why would anyone assume that because an underaged girl got pregnant that a crime has been committed.
UNDERAGED boys get UNDERAGED girls pregnant all the time! Underaged kids having sex is a reality and it is not a crime. It’s a fact.
Phill Klline is just a pervert. He claims that a girl GIVING oral sex is legal, but a girl RECEIVING oral sex is illegal.
Maybe in his world, a man performing oral sex on a woman is doing something wrong, but for the rest of us, it is perfectly natural.
Jeez.
kdgm, you make a good point. It seems like more and more babies are being born into precarious circumstances more than ever, even with the availability of abortion and birth control. Why is that? It will soon be that babies born to single parents outnumber the ones born to two married parents. When I see these babies with such young and uneducated parents, it makes me just sick for that child.
I agree, Phil Kline has a screw loose somewhere, especially when he got into the male and female roles in the oral sex issue. Makes me kind of sorry for his wife!
I know what you are talking about Mary and look at this article.It’s not exactly the youngsters choosing to have children out of wedlock anymore, and doesn’t sound like necessarily “accidents” either.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/11/21/unmarried.births.ap/index.html
Well WS it is a fact a that’s called stautory (sp?) rape.Underage boys can do that just as well as one’s over 18. Of course kids seems to be growing up a whole lot faster and 99% of these are probably consensual.I don’t exactly agree with it, but there is still sodomy laws on the books too.
Good article…one of the biggest predisposing factors to poverty is giving birth under the age of 25. That’s why children make up the biggest percentage of people living in poverty in this country, too many young unmarried women having children before they have an education or a decent paying career and way too many fathers who aren’t taking responsibility for their offspring.
Sorry about that, Mary, I had to take a call. You said something at 0830 about “imperfect” fetus’. The rest of what you said I agree with. But give me a little room here for a hypothethical. “Intact fetus, developing normally, one small problem — all that exists of the brain is the medula (brain stem), everything else is mush — fetus is viable, but only in a permanent vegatative state”. Certainly “imperfect”, but you catagorized such a situation as abortion at the whim or convenience of the mother. I can’t buy into that one. The rest of what you say makes sense to me.
hon jr: My point, exactly! Thanks!
“Well WS it is a fact a that’s called stautory”
It’s not statutory rape if both children involved are under eighteen.
Fact.
Babies born with only a brainstem, (anacephalic) don’t live in a “permanent vegetative state”, they always die shortly after birth.I know plenty of people who have physical or mental disabilities who are grateful to be alive.
Somebody said they felt sorry for Phillkline’s wife or somesuch. Hell, I can’t stand the bastard, but I feel sorry for Phillkline — he couldn’t get laid in a women’s prison with a handful of pardons!!!
My bad WsYou sure do have some ‘progressive’ laws in Kansas.
You are evading the underlying question, Mary, and you know it. And I’m agreeing with 99% of what you’re saying. Glad I’m on your good side!
Mary you are a breath of fresh air. Keep up the logical arguments. It confuses the locals.
You are incorrect, WSC.
Kansas technically doesn’t have a “statutory rape” crime. It’s called “Aggravated indecent liberties with a child” defined in part as sexual intercourse with a child who is 14 or more years of age but less than 16 years of age. This crime is classified as a severity level 3, person felony.
Sexual intercourse with a child who is under 14 years of age is called “Rape”. This crime is classified as a severity level 1, person felony.
Also, Unlawful voluntary sexual relations (commonly known as the Romeo and Juliet law), defined as engaging in voluntary sexual intercourse with a child who is 14 years of age but less than 16 years of age and the offender is less than 19 years of age and less than four years of age older than the child and the child and the offender are the only parties involved and are members of the opposite sex. This crime is classified as a severity level 8, person felony.
This is rather interesting and somewhat on the point, if you haven’t read it yet.
http://www.kansas/mld/kansas/16276927.html
“Surprise! Operation Rescue, the anti-abortion group, named outgoing Attorney General Phill Kline its “Man of the Year” for his dogged harassment of two Kansas abortion clinics.” — Randy “Tiller Pimp” Scholfield
The lies and misrepresentations from the the Eagle keep on coming, even after the election. Kline’s pursuing of the redacted records of underage abortion recipients was entirely legal, appropriate, and designed to investigate whether underage and late term abortions were being properly reported. Those such as Mr. Scholfield, who misrepresent this as an invasion of privacy issue for political purposes are protectors of those who would abuse and/or rape underage children.
FL, thank you for the legal clarification.
The point was, however, that not all underaged girls are impregnated as a result of rape (however defined.)
Children have sex – children get pregnant – children have abortions.
The solution is education – not Phill Klline on a crusade.
Out: So what are you saying? That Operation Rescue DIDN’T name Phillkline Man of the Year? Either they did, and Scholfield reported it, or they didn’t and he lied. So which is it?
Outie?
“Tiller pimp”?
Your extremism is showin’ Outie!
JR: I have to admit that I meant to take that out before posting, but forgot. Maybe a little overdone, but not entirely inaccurate.
rm4046: I was referring to the “harassment” characterization.
And, objectively, my friend, what other word is there for it? “Selective prosecution”?
It is high time the statutory rape laws are made to be more common sense and realistic. You can’t criminalize this kind of sex.
Outlander, you can quit shilling for him. Everyone, including the voters, are well aware of what his agenda is.
That’s a messed up way of thinking for Phill’s oral sex argument. Hey does that mean Clinton really DIDN”T have sexual relations?
PMom: That depends on how you define the word “have”!!!! :)
rm6046 what is selective about going after the records of underage abortion recepients. That is an entire class. Look at the news lately. A stepfather impregnating his step daughters more that once and taking them to Tiller for abortions, a 14 year old girl killed by the father of her unborn child so he couldn’t be prosecuted, a sheriff going to jail because he raped his 13 year old step daughter. We have a major problem here. It needs to be addressed not swept under the rug with some nonsense about ‘privacy violations’.
outlander always does his usual conflating thing; anybody can see the logical inconsistency…
“Those such as Mr. Scholfield, who misrepresent this as an invasion of privacy issue for political purposes are protectors of those who would abuse and/or rape underage children.”
Only outlander and a small number of brain-dead people believe crap like this.
For an extremely interesting conversation on the abortion issue, see the Dec. 19th entry on this blog site. I was impressed by Doug’s opponent in this exchange. Go read this outlander and maybe you can improve your rhetoric (but, I am seriously doubting if you can):
http://www.maggotpunks.com/mp.html
Doug, did you at any time wonder if maybe you and your correspondent had similar views about the meaning of life? That entry was the best I’ve seen on your site and I commend you for putting it up. I was not convinced that you saw the similarities between you and your correspondent, though.
And how many other doctors’ records did Phillkline go after? Just one other, & it’s up in northeast Kansas? Isn’t that correct? Sounds selective to me, Granny. Actually, I was perfectly happy with “harrassment”.
Did you think it might be because those are the only two abortion mills in Kansas?
and not one of them was caught by demonizing a doctor.
This is not about protecting kids, it’s about demonizing doctor Tiller. If it were, there would be investigations into all sorts of doctors, teachers, nurses, basically anyone who knows a pregnant teen.
The only kids getting investigated are the ones who chose abortion. I guess the ones who had their babies or dumped them in a grave somewhere for fear, they’re safe.
PMom: Now that Granny has risen from her stupor and started her incessant babbling, I’m going to bed. Good night all.
Steven: I’ve already taken my shower and I’m not sure if my immunizations are up to date, so I can’t go to that piece of crap website.
I’m a little disappointed, but not surprised that you would post a link there. Nice rebuttal, by the way.
maggotpunks.c*m
Chuckle….
rm If in April, which is Prevent Child Abuse month you could become involved in some of the activities you would see that even Dentist are required by law to report suspicions of child abuse when they see it. The law says that when medical doctors see the evidence that a law has been broken they are required to report it. Is abortion such a sacred cow to you that to report suspicions of child abuse would endanger it for all? Step back and see what you are protesting in order to keep abortion untouched.
Matter of fact, there is some whacked out “pro-life’ program they have on the religion channel, and they were discussing this very issue on how to get more investigations to get these girls to give birth. They said when you see a girl who looks underage walking into Tiller’s clinic, report them to police, and if the police won’t do anything- we have another person you can call. How much do you want to believe that person is Phill Kline?
What I did NOT hear, was ‘if you see a pregnant girl who looks underage, report her to police’. NO, it was only if they were walking into the abortion clinic. HMMM.
And I’m warning you people, that investigating all these pregnant kids is only going to get you hidden pregnancies and dumpster babies. Or more dead pregnant kids.
pmom I hope that doesn’t happen but it is those children that are hidden and abused that need help. When a teen gets pregnant because she wanted to or had consenual sex and didn’t use protection that is her problem. Not so that young girl that had no choice and an abortion is a quick escape for the perpatrator.
And who said, other than Phill Klline, that responsible agencies are NOT reporting sexual abuse of minors?
If Phill the Pervert wasn’t just interested in abortion, why didn’t he request records of LIVE births?
“Steven: I’ve already taken my shower and I’m not sure if my immunizations are up to date, so I can’t go to that piece of crap website.”
Please don’t think outlander. It would make the job of rebutting your nonsense more difficult. I rest assured that you will remain the dupe that you are – thank you very much.
“Nice rebuttal, by the way.”
It was far better than your propositions (which stunk to high heaven), by the way…
And I’m warning you people, that investigating all these pregnant kids is only going to get you hidden pregnancies and dumpster babies. Or more dead pregnant kids.Posted by: political_mom | December 19, 2006 at 10:16 PM
Then you need to pass a Safe Haven law in Kansas like many other states.There need to be as many legal alternatives to abortion as possible.
Actually, SD, I went to the website and found it to be reasoned and informative. I am personally opposed to abortion, like many others, but I do support a woman’s right to choose.
Good stuff – now bookmarked.
Thanks.
Now if we could just get more people to care about the post-born (?) as they do about the pre-born… we’d all be better off.
“There need to be as many legal alternatives to abortion as possible.”
How about reasonable and informed sex education, instead of bogus claims that abstaining is the only choice?
Believe me, when I was sixteen, abstaining was the last thing on my mind.
Sorry.
Lets use some critical thinking skills here for a moment.
You’re a child molestor, your 14 year old daughter is now pregnant, and you know that baby is yours. In the past, a trip to Tillers would have probably been in order. At least then the girl would have a chance to lean over and whisper to Tiller that her daddy was making her do this.
Now what happens instead? Do you think you are going to send her to Tillers? Nope. Are you going to send her to a regular doc. Nope, probably not to school either. You might be taking her out of the country to have an abortion- a really dangerous one at that. You might be taking her to an underground pedophile. You might force her to give birth at home so you can bury the evidence really fast. So where is the help for this girl now? You might even consider killing your own daughter, maybe even yourself.
You see, with all this attention and laws now, we’ve created an environment where either the abuser, OR the girl herself, is too afraid to actually seek help WHERE THE LIKLIHOOD IS GREATER THAT HELP WILL BE FOUND.
Now lets think back to when we were teens shall we. How was the girl who said she was raped treated? Like she was the slut. Yeah we have such a society that we treat victims like they deserve what they got. Gee, I don’t know WHY girls aren’t stepping forward. I don’t know WHY girls will hide at all costs what is happening to them. I can BET YOU MONEY that girl at that school where her step father cop got sentenced to prison, someone is making that girl feel like a whore. And that is sad.
Now my own experience, I had a boyfriend four years older. I loved him soooooo much, my first love. Had we been investigated for having sex, who knows what I might have said to protect him. Thankfully I never had gotten pregnant, but would we have run off? Would we have hidden the pregnancy? TO THIS DAY I don’t feel like he victimized me or anything of the sort, and he was on his way to being an upstanding citizen, war veteran, business owner, fabulous dad, had he not died so tragically.
What you people are doing is WRONG. It’s wrong wrong wrong and you’re hurting these people far more than you are helping them.
Oh holy crap…
More abortion “chat”…People, don’t you get it? No one is going to change ANYONE else’s opinion.
Just let it go…
Amen, P Mom, amen.
“Just let it go…”
Go somewhere else if you don’t like it, Nutz.
Some of us think the topic is worthy of discussion.
Aww, Clarkie – c’mon. You’re still hung up on our little chat reparté earlier?
Dude, the KU game was awesome. An incredible display of athleticism. Even your small mind can’t derail me. =)
What you DON’T seem to get, Clarkie, is that no one offers anything new. It’s just continual regurgitation. I can’t stop it, but you can’t stop me from commenting on the stupidity of it, either.
Ciao, baby.
Thank you WSClark. I am not a supporter (or a detractor) of the maggotpunks, but the 12-19-06 entry was an interesting exchange on the subject. Something that rarely happens here or on many blogs.
Opponents, or many maggotpunks, don’t want to think about this subject, but I contend, it wouldn’t hurt us to do so…
I think Doug did an excellant entry on this subject.
At one time, someone DID change my mind. I was once anti-choice, remember?
“Aww, Clarkie – c’mon. You’re still hung up on our little chat reparté earlier?”
I could really care less about you and anything you represent, Nutz. Actually, I find it rather sad that you don’t want to participate in a discussion that doesn’t involve you and your alleged superiority to the rest of us human beings. Contrary to what you may think, the world does not revolve around you.
It sucks to be you, Nutz.
Actually, it’s quite nice being me. =)
“Actually, it’s quite nice being me. =)”
Only in the confines of your mind.
Clarkie,I can perpetuate this as long as I’d like. But…what’s the point? To see who can stay up later? I know I probably hurt your little feelers with that whole ROI explanation. I completely understand that you don’t really get how businesses work and are valuated. Neither does about 80% of the country. You’re not in the minority.
If you need some pointers, I’ll help you out. Meanwhile, being bitter just emasculates you.
“If you need some pointers, I’ll help you out. Meanwhile, being bitter just emasculates you.”
Man, you are one funny dude, Nutz. That is a good one.
As for business, that part of my life ended six years ago – my choice. I am an author now. My first book will be published next year. I am in the process of writing my second novel at this point.
Business just bores me now.
As for being bitter – nice try, but eeeerrrrrnnnntttt – wrong answer, but thanks for playing the game.
If you were to ask me, I wouldn’t trade one of my lives for ten of yours.
I know who I am – you seem to be obsessed with trying to prove who you are.
I’ve never said anything against sex education on here in the schools or anywhere else. I do believe as was in my case, far too many parents are leaving sex ed up to the schools however instead of talking to their kids about it themselves as well – that is where we have gotten into trouble.Pmom how is what we are doing wrong exactly?Right now you control all the power. I don’t know of anyone personally that is going to judge a pregnant teen or unwed mother. Heck I have an unwed mother of two (thats never wed) living next door and her oldest and my oldest are the best of friends.I see abortion as a quick fix for a woman or women that is going to cause a much deeper pain down the road. No one has ever addressed the psychological ramifications that come along with what statistics would say are at least 95% of abortions (those for other than rape/incest and health of the mother).
Just to get back on subject…
Does anyone know if and how many of those records that Kline has were from out-of-staters? And if they were not from KS, how far does the law reach? What power does Kline have regarding what he may see as suspicious abuse that happened outside of Kansas?
How is blacked-out identification going to help Kline go after the “perpetrators,” as ksgrm calls them? Does he have the legal right to identifying information?
Like WSClark, I wonder why Kline was only going for those who had abortions and not those who gave birth. That’s a dead give-away, right there, that his real intentions were not as pure as he’d like us to think.
Clark,
Congratulations on your upcoming book. As a fellow author, I can tell you that the first published book is a great joy. Then again, so are subsequent ones. *grin*
May you enjoy many sales!
NEW YORK – More than nine out of 10 Americans, men and women alike, have had premarital sex, according to a new study. The high rates extend even to women born in the 1940s, challenging perceptions that people were more chaste in the past.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061220/ap_on_re_us/premarital_sex
Ya know, I’ve avoided like the plague anything that remotely looks like an abortion thread; it’s counterproductive.
But this line caught my eye:
“He is essentially a social activist, willing to put his fight against abortion above the integrity of his office and the will of the voters.”
Substitute the last phrase, loaded as it is, with equivalent terms loaded the other way:
“He is essentially a social activist, willing to put his fight against ___ (substitute left-wing cause) above his personal interests and even his office and livelihood to do what he believes is right.”
It strikes me that the real issue is not that Kline was particularly activist. It is that Kline was not activist in the way Scholfield likes. Change the topic of the activism, and I have little doubt that Kline would get glowing praise.
PMom,
If you wished for all those things to happen like schools for pregnant girls and other non-lethal solutions, then how about getting you and other liberals get off your collective backsides and doing something about it.
Liberals talk, talk,talk,talk,talk,talk,talk,talk,talka good game, but it’s easier just to flap lips and call other people nuts or having no compassion when they object to the killing of babies.
I DO something about it JM. Far more than you know dingdong.
PMom,
Like what?
waiting…
no b.s. now, truth and only the truth…
KIA: The “Safe Haven” concept is a great idea. So again, were many others on just about any subject you can think of that have one thing in common. For some reason, they aren’t working. I can’t figure out why. The newborn is delivered to the nearesr fire station, warmly wrapped, no questions asked … can even be delivered by a party fourth or fifth removed who doesn’t even know the identity of the birth mother, and a new life begins. Everybody, especially the most important, the newborn wins.
I can’t believe that there are not ad agencies coast-to-coast who would do multi-million dollars ad campaigns pro bono and they could be run under the public service required of the media by the FCC.
If Operation Rescue or their ilk gave a rats’ ass about anything but filling their coffers, they would be working on programs like this. Maybe the only reason the “Safe Haven” concept isn’t taking off like an SST is that too many people don’t even know it exists!
I go to the capital and talk to legislators about comprehensive sex education in schools. I fought to get the morning after pills put over the counter. I fight against domestic abuse, and the rights of women to get help legally and financially. I fight for pay equity so a woman doesn’t have to choose between being poor and being a mother. I’m involved at the high levels. That’s why you always see me fighting so hard on this subject. But I also fight to keep women’s rights to have an abortion legal. Because I know we can’t stop all the reasons, but we can try to reduce them.
That is what I do. What do you do.
We had the safe haven programs, but I think it took one report saying they were looking for the mother of a child dropped off to make the whole thing obsolete.
Kindof ruins the whole ‘no questions asked’ thing.
Nutz,Of course we aren’t going to change the minds of the hard-core anti’s, but we aren’t going to allow them to go unchallenged either!
rm,The argument that I heard against “Safe Haven” laws (from an ORW member) was that they allow a woman to escape the consequences of her sin, thus defeating god’s plan!
I paid for 2 abortions JM.
(I was NOT the father by the way)
Does that count?
And you’re proud of this junior? I haven’t yet heard a ‘mother’ who has had an abortion be happy about it.
Sounds like you are bragging about financing two of them though.
I wouldn’t call it pride exactly.
In one case the woman was involved in an extremely abusive relationship. Though she was my friend she was unfit to be a parent. The father was psychotic. He has since been sent to prison.
So I say I did a good thing there.
Jed: ANY argument I heard from one of those morons would be like gettting into a gunfight with an unarmed person!
Ah here we are. Ok JM.
What a hoot! It didn’t make any difference except symbolically, but the Guv’ refused to sign off on approval of Phillkline as JoCo D.A.!
Wise move on her part. I just wish it had some teeth to keep him from the office.
Sol,
I have a friend who had an abortion and doesn’t regret it. She was young, barely supporting herself, (she admits very foolish) and was exposed to German measles before she was aware she was even pregnant. Because of the timing, there was a strong indication that the fetus was affected and, if carried full term and given birth to, might very well have multiple birth defects.
I also have several friends who have gone the adoption route. It isn’t easy, either.
Nobody who has ever had an abortion is HAPPY about it. But most feel it was the right decision for them at the time.
Do they regret having to have one, yeah.
I’m amazed that this abortion conversation is still going on! I hope we always have a choice about whether to give birth or not. Having had an abortion and known others who have I am glad that I had someone in my corner to help me find someone to do my abortion safely. I am not ashamed of my choice but wish I would have had other choices. Abortion will never stop until we stop the reasons for it having to occur. Abuse, neglect, poverty, al the causes. I don’t think our country has the will to change those things. Maybe it only changes one person at a time.
If given other choices, Brenda, what would you have done differently?
Political Mom,
I have read most of your posts and find them mostly to be irrelevant. You proclaiming that “religious nuts” should not have any room in politics is a part of the reason for the moral degradation of this country that is slowly but surely heading toward secularism.
I would like to know where you believe that your rights as an individual derive. I know where my rights are derived from, they are derived from the Declaration of Independence. This document was revolutionary in nature because it proclaimed that men are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable rights that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. What the founders of this country meant was that I as an individual created by God have been handed these rights, which cannot be taken away. Just as God endowed children at conception with these same rights.
Under your line of argument, there is no protection of these rights and are rights as individuals are given to us by the State. Not be a higher being. If the right to life is so easily taken away from individuals by the state (i.e. children in the womb), there is no stopping the states ability to further take rights of life. Abortion is against the foundations of this society, we need more individuals like Kline who stand up for the rights of those who have no one else to stand up for them. Fortunately a number of people in this country are still willing to fight for those rights.
Scary, hyperbolic scenario ya got there Plo.
I got a scarier one for you.
I don’t believe in your God. In fact I totally reject your God.
There are those that would claim that that means I have no rights.
Given the world stage? My scenario is far more likely than yours.
Pio, the reality is abortion is not going to get outlawed no matter how many try to get Roe vs Wade overturned. You best bet is to get involved in activities that prevent unwanted pregnancies and offer alternatives to abortion. Even if abortion on demand is outlawed, it won’t stop abortions. Women will risk their lives to end their pregnancies when they’re desperate.
JR,
That is not a scary scenario, because my God believes in you and has faith in you. This world stage is an attribute of human natue, yet still my faith is solid. I shared your views at one point in my life.
Mary,I would have chosen to live in a family that knew how to love, protect, and respect their children and raise them with a sense of self worth. I know that even when all that happens sometimes bad things occur. I’ve always admired the way you raised your kids. They may have made their mistakes but you were there for them so they talked to you. You are the same kind of friend. I tried to do that with my boys too. I do think you did it better than me though. Of course there was the blow dryer event with David but I had the phone event with Chris.
HA! I almost forgot about the blow dryer incident!! I’m sure he never did! I said yesterday that I never met a woman who was sorry she gave birth, but I’ll admit I had my moments when I was raising teenagers. So you think I did it better? Than why do my kids think you’re the cool, understanding mom that they can talk to better than me?
Mary,
Your statement is correct, however it is tough for me to turn the cheek on a morally unacceptable government protected activity. On the other side, there are women who have risked or lost their lives by making a decision to not have an abortion. Therfore protecting the integrity of life.
Brenda ShullMary CarusoPolitical_mom
All post from the same IP address
I see your point. I had a friend who died trying to save her baby’s life, unfortunately they both died. I know I would have made the same decision she did, though.
Pio, if those rights were given to us by a creator (note the word our founding fathers used was NOT GOD nor JESUS), we wouldn’t have children born into sexual slavery, born into homes where drugs are more prevalent than food, and we wouldn’t have nations that treated women less than cattle.
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness came from man, not God.
Trollpolice, I don’t think so!
Yeah that would be why me and Mary just posted at the exact same time.
Troll, you’re busted.
“All post from the same IP address”
Nice try, but thanks for playing the game.
Only the Blog administrator can see the IP address.
And that ain’t you.
From reading the bible, I have to agree with you political mom!
Brenda is a friend of yours Mary?
I credit Mary as the only truly pro life poster on this blog.
I am sorry again for using your story the other day Brenda.
So you are saying you don’t believe all people desire freedom/liberty in their hearts?
It would seem to me that all do Yes. Even the suppressors. They just want the freedom to themselves. This is part of the sin nature of man.
If you look at the previous sentance in the Decleration you will find the word God. I am sure that our founding fathers, who were in fact most practicing Christians, meant that we were endowed with these rights by God.
God created this world with free will. While many of those things you list are unfortunate and sorrowful, God suffered with us on the cross. He loves those individuals just the same and welcomes them with arms wide open.
Or the oppressors rather. Sorry.
it’s easy to post at the same time
see?
“our founding fathers, who were in fact most practicing Christians”
A goodly portion of our Founding Fathers, including Jefferson, Franklin and Adams were Deists, not Christians. Adams and Jefferson, in particlur, were very direct in their writings to say that the United States of America was NOT to be a Christian nation by law.
JR
I am saying that our founding fathers in writing the Declaration of Independence radically changed philosophy of this world by entitling people certain rights that were given to them by God/Creator. If you do not recognize that these rights are endowed upon you, then it is the right for the State to justify these rights.
I think we just figured out who “Trollpolice” is.
Goofnuts? Why don’t you go away? No one likes you.
Plo.
I aint from Missorri. Wichtia born and raised.
But I DO require some show me.
Let’s have the old man in the sky make with some blessings. Let’s have him shake the Earth when there is an abortion or a gay marriage. Howsabout and end to suffering?
Naw. Aint gonna happen. Fairy tales.
Junior,I couldn’t care less whether you think I’m “trollpolice” or not. I equally couldn’t care less if mary/pee/brenda are one and the same.
Just making a point of order – it’s easy to have multiple nicks writing and posting at the same time.
post at the same time with some actual content there testicles.
But I don’t care who thinks me and mary are the same. mary and I have gone some rounds on some things, and I’ve come to respect her quite a bit. Although I still don’t agree with her stance that Catholic hopitals should push their religious agenda on others when it comes to their healthcare.
Pia, there really isn’t any free will by god, or there wouldn’t be ‘punishment’ doled out to those who didn’t obey him.
The whole thing about the bible is ridiculous really.
Yeah you more than prove that dontcha goof?
Hey I’m from Missouri (originally)…SHOW ME.
I wonder where that logo came from.
well what joy would there be in the creation of people who were just going to be robots and obey your every command?I’m sure you all are familiar with the Purpose Driven Life.If our as I and may believe man’s purpose is to glorify our creator, what is the reward in that if you don’t have the choice to reject as most of you seem to?
You all are free to believe what you want to. One of the hardest things I think as a believer is to continue hope and pray for the salvation of others who mock my beliefs. But that’s just me.
Well, let’s see…
I could type the pledge of allegiance? I’ll even do it in lower case..just so you know i didn’t copy/paste from someo website….
i pledge allegianceto the flag
….of the united states of america.and to the republicfor which it standsone nationunder Godindivisiblewith libertyand justice for all.
I like this name; I think I’m gonna stick with it.
That’s offensive ;-)
Yeah KSPestpickle?
How long.
You are cold busted. The whole blog knows you are a troller.
heh, i’m trolling myself, and Junior is bitchin’
*shock*
kstesticletickler…yep, it’s fitting.
Damn you people are obsessed with the male genetailia!
MrK,PeeMom is obsessed with mine. That’s been proven continually.
Ouch!
That “ouch” was for KIA. As for Golf, I seriously doubt that P Mom has any interest…..
Not even on your birthday Testicle.
No ouch yet. No one has said anything about kicking, stepping, gouging, etc.
lolMine is in less than a month btw…big one for me this year. 40
Happy bday Kia, I’m turning 35 in March AUGH. I feel so..
well young compared to you lol.
you prove it every day, Pee
Dang, you folks are mere CHILDREN!
young enough to..well im a gentleman so that’s that
Well guys I’m off to work, but I get to take a laptop, so if I’m not too busy I might be back!
Trollpolice,Thank you for saying that Mary, Pol Mom, and I is the same person. I actually take that as a compliment. Mary and I have been friends for years but disagree about a lot of things. Unlike you we can argue and disagree but still respect each other. We agree about a lot of things too especially about GW and the “war.”I think you are just jealous. Mary, what do you think?
I agree, I love it when I can exchange ideas with someone who takes a different stance on issues. It often helps me to see things in a way that I might never considered and helps me to understand others from their perspective. Brenda and I go WAY back to the time when we were both psychiatric nurses working in an adolescent treatment program.I also feel complimented that someone thinks Brenda, Political Mom, and I are the same person, ‘cuz I know we’re 3 cool ladies!