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One can truly bank on the Sedgwick County “bid board” and the “Duh, OK, County Commission” to make sure that there is a major corporation scheduled to run a non-existent arena. Now, they can hire that same outfit that runs the taxpayer funded parking lot at the airport to manage the non-existent parking facility for the non-existent arena. Talk about putting the cart before the horse. And hey, if there’s no parking facility, they can supply rent-a-cops to write tickets for the cars on the street … assuming there are any cars. And Bob Knight and Ben Scortino can be their “local represenatives”. Hell of a plan, fellows. And Holt will retire, join up with them, and stay on the teat, too! You can’t write fiction this good.
I don’t think it’s good fiction. It’s boring. YAWN!
President Jimmy Carter:
“It would be almost politically suicidal for members of Congress to espouse a balanced position between Israel and Palestine, to suggest that Israel comply with international law or to speak in defense of justice or human rights for Palestinians. Very few would ever deign to visit the Palestinian cities of Ramallah, Nablus, Hebron, Gaza City or even Bethlehem and talk to the beleaguered residents. What is even more difficult to comprehend is why the editorial pages of the major newspapers and magazines in the United States exercise similar self-restraint, quite contrary to private assessments expressed quite forcefully by their correspondents on the scene.”
Today’s Bushism: ” I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family”.1/27/2000
Vegetable clothes??
It is very easy to “put food on your family”. My boys do it all the time. The hard part is trying to prevent them from doing that.
FOOD FIGHT!
Nah, the hard part is cleaning off the food…from clothes, bodies, furniture, walls, floors…
You’re not hungry.You just have’very low food security’.
Good morning RD.
In today’s paper“Visioneering Wichita expanded its legislative vision Thursday with a plan to ask state lawmakers to provide $830,000 more for advising small businesses.
The money would go to the Kansas Small Business Development Center, a university-based network providing small-business help across the state.
The state currently provides $368,500 to help run the center.
Visioneering will ask for that to be increased to $1.2 million.”
Is this just more corporate welfare or will this really help our economy?
No one–
Good name, btw. Because your arguments are nowhere.
Barnes and Noble is not the biggest corporation in the world.
Their full-time is not 29 hours a week like Wal-Mart’s. They don’t pollute their local environments like Wal-Mart, they don’t imply that people will quickly move up (and then don’t) like Wal-Mart, they don’t buy 90 percent of the crap they sell from China, and their mark-ups aren’t considerably higher than other retailers like Wal-Mart.
Thanks for playing, but it looks like you’ve been soundly beaten.
Return to your X-box . . .
Capn,Who are you to dictate to a business what hours and wages an employee should have? If you don’t like the practices, don’t participate. Don’t shop there, don’t work there.
If the current employees don’t like it, they are free to leave. Why should a business be dictated to because it has done well. And in so doing employs hundreds upon thousands of folks that don’t have a high school education.
Now not all employees are less than high school educated, but look at the facts. Look at the amount of jobs wal-mart has created.
For PMomI’m interested in knowing your thoughts on the research and theory I suppose(?) of possible environmental causes of autism.Do you know the backgroun on this at all?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16099753/site/newsweek/page/2/
Look at the numbers of good jobs that Wal-Mart has destroyed–the mom and pop hardware and grocery store owners, the small town Main Streets that have been wiped out.
Of course, I don’t shop or work at Wal-Mart. I haven’t set foot in a Wal-Mart for the better part of a decade.
But that’s not good enough to say simply “don’t participate.” It’s like telling people that don’t like slavery that they don’t have to own a slave.
There are many problems that the free-market system can deal with well, and there are many problems (pollution, wealth concentration, poverty, new technologies, real competition vs de facto monopoly) that it can’t.
It’s simple-minded to think that gov’t is always bad and the free-market is always good.
We need gov’t to counter-balance capitalistic excesses that hurt the general welfare.
Article is from 2003. I imagine the pay is still the same.
http://www.alternet.org/story/16111/Wal-Mart is the nation’s biggest employer, the low-price champion, and a seller of just about everything. A healthy family with a roof over its head could supply virtually all of its other basic monthly needs with one stop at a Wal-Mart Supercenter like the one here in Salina, Kansas. To me, that raised a question: Can a family whose breadwinner works at Wal-Mart afford to supply its minimum needs by shopping there?
Last Sunday, my adult son and daughter joined me for a visit to the Wal-Mart Supercenter in Salina. We spent an hour and a half wandering among the hundreds of red, blue and yellow “Always Low Prices” signs. We checked many of those prices and then went home to do some calculating.
Our conclusion: A single parent employed full-time at Salina’s Wal-Mart and raising two children aged 4 and 12 does not earn enough money to supply the family’s basic needs by shopping at that same Wal-Mart.
According to the personnel manager at Salina’s Supercenter, a cashier earns a starting hourly wage of $6.25. After Social Security and Medicare taxes, the paychecks for a month would total $1,016 for a full-time 176 hours. (That’s 40 hours a week, which would put this cashier in a better financial position than the many employees who work 32 or fewer hours a week. Of course, hourly pay rises eventually, but the 2001 PBS report “Store Wars” found that most employees have left by the end of their first year
Wal-mart is a far cry from slavery. It is sad that mom&pop shops have closed. The towns have a say in allowing a Wal-Mart to set up a store. They have a voice through the local government.
Look at all the people Wal-Mart employs. Look at the products that people can afford now. Look at the small towns Wal-Mart has brought together.
When Sam Walton started this, that was his (reportedly) vision; to bring small communities together and offer them products the previously could not afford.
Capn,No way. I don’t want gov’t involved in the general forces of capitalism. You use Walmart as an exmple of driving out mom/pop shops; there are many examples of shining success stories in the face of an expanding Walmart.
Williams Hardware at Central/Woodlawn is one of them. They compete with Walmart/Lowes/Home Depot, and they can probably not entice customers with lower prices, but they win significantly with better service. A store associate greets me (the customer) at the door and will help me find whatever it is I’m looking for. If I just want to browse, that’s fine, too.
They provide other services that the big boys won’t, and they have many unique items that can’t be found in the big-box stores.
And, they’re succeeding and growing.
Don’t tell me Walmart is the root of consumer evil. Walmart provides a service – cheap & fast. Other companies can provide quality, service, special treatment….
Thanks, .morg, good stuff there.
I wondered where the UnionLeader was getting that “7.50 an hour” crap. They were probably looking at averages–and when you average in the CEO’s quarter BILLION dollars a year, it helps pull the average up, doesn’t it.
Sol–
If you truly believe that Wal-Mart “brings small communities together” then there’s nothing in my poor power that can convince you otherwise.
It’s like saying that the robber barons of the 1880’s had “family values.”
Funny you should mention Williams Hardware, GoofNut. It’s practically my second home.
It has survived, but it’s been there since 1956. How would it do as a start-up? And how much better would Williams be doing if Wal-Mart wasn’t driving down wages by screwing their employees, both because it’s harder for Williams to compete and because Wal-Mart employees can’t afford to buy anything except subsistence goods.
Lastly, I wonder how much of William’s clientle is people like me who are willing to pay 30 dollars more for a sump pump or a travelling sprinkler just because we like William’s neighborhood store and hate everything Wal-Mart stands for.
I agree Sol. We discussed WalMart at length in a couple of my business classes. In many small towns the selection on Main Street was poor and job availability was also poor (unless you were the son of the store owner). Many people saved their shopping lists and drove to larger cities to shop.
WalMart changed that – bringing to small towns (and depressed parts of larger cities often) selection and employment that had not been available. So, at least in those early years, WalMart raised the level in these towns. If the haberdasher on Main Street couldn’t compete it was because he was not offering value.
As WalMart has grown to behemoth size and as Sam’s children have taken over I don’t know that is the situation any more. I wonder if, as they have gained such economic power, the kids have strayed from Sam’s vision.
hmmm raises a very interesting point. I remember my first Wal-Mart foray in the early 80’s in Harrison, Arkansas. The company under Sam’s leadership, if memory serves me, sold mostly Made in America goods.
Given China’s industrial consumer-production growth, would Sam have gone to China, or would he have decided that doing so would hurt his American industrial-workforce customers, and therefore reject the proposition? He was a shrewd capitalist, but he also had a moral compass.
I used to really dislike Walmart because of all the long-haired, maggot-infested tatoo’d types I’d have to be around. But, with their stance against unions, I’m now a regular customer. And, the Walmart at Kellog & Greenwich is one of the nicer ones which is nearby so I go there.
Here is an interesting commentary today in the LA Times on the Iraq Study Group, asserting that its central focus has been on the privatization of Iraqi oil, to benefit foreign corporations and investors.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-juhasz8dec08,0,4717508.story?coll=la-opinion-center
http://www.break.com/index/westboro_baptist_church_chased_away.html?78
Video of the Westboro Baptist Church fleeing a funeral.
Well. Senator Gordon Smith (R-OR) appears to be the first moderate Republican Senator to bail as the ship of state sails toward the iceberg.
“I, for one, am tired of paying the price of 10 or more of our troops dying a day. So let’s cut and run or cut and walk, but let us fight the way on terror more intelligently that we have because we have fought this war in a very lamentable way,” he said.
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2006/12/gop-senator-criticizes-iraq-war-in.html
America.Out.Of.Iraq.Now.
Gee, aren’t they “Christians”? (sort of referring to another thread)
Random musings on why Iran and Syria might be interested in a stable Iraq:There is a “moderate” group of Iranians, we are told, wanting to shake off rule of the clerics in Iran, and move Iran to a more secular footing; the demonstrations are evidence of that. Should Iraq’s instability allow al Qaeda to flourish, the existence of al Qaeda “just across the border” will represent a real threat to the secularization of Iran.It seems a similar consideration will apply to Syria. While it can be argued that Syria is not interested in a stable Iraq, it appears to me that a thriving al Qaeda across its border, combined with the existence of the revived Taliban in Afghanistan (close in geographical proximity) represents a threat to its existing government and peoples.
Currently, as the ISG report stated, both are not unhappy that the U.S. is occupied by its problems in Iraq; this allows both to operate for their perceived benefit in the region. However, I detect a desire of both to become a more respected player in regional affairs. This cannot happen, IMO, so long as they are excluded from the discussion.
I may be stretching it a bit, but it is my sense from reading various sources, including the ISG report, that publicly offering to include them in the discussion will provide both nation-states an opportunity to engage with the world in a manner which is beneficial to them, as well as to us. I am aware that the ISG report pointedly states that Iran, at least, has indicated it likely would not be interested in direct talks; however, that likely was for internal consumption. If I’m wrong, and Iran is truly not interested in direct involvement, then let the world see and know this; being unschooled in the dark art of international diplomacy, Mr. Baker’s comments concerning the potential negative reaction of other nations to the refusal make sense to me.
Just a few lunch-time ramblings.
Very good points VT. To which I would add that we need to have our foot in the doors of those two countries if they do have changes in government; just we did behind the Iron Curtain when it came down.
For more than a decade Wal-Mart advertising’s been saying they cut prices every day.
Shouldn’t some of the stuff be free by now?
Just for fun …
Help! Police! My drugs have been stolen!
There’s a reason they call it “dope.”
A 24-year-old man summoned police to his south Wichita home Thursday night, reporting that he had been the victim of an armed robbery.
And what was stolen?
A pound of marijuana — worth about $1,100 — that he had been trying to sell about 6:30 p.m. at his home in the 2200 block of South Elpyco.
But the “buyer” pulled out a sawed-off shotgun and stole the marijuana. The seller then called 911. Police officers arrived at the house with a drug dog and were able to locate additional marijuana and drug paraphernalia.
The man with the gun has yet to be caught, a police spokesman said this morning.
The “victim” was booked into Sedgwick County Jail on several charges, including possession with the intent to sell the drugs.
One wonders if Sam Walton’s vision and approach were adversely affected by Wal Mart ceasing to be a solely family held corporation; once a corporation has shareholders other than the founder(s), the focus often changes.
For example; so long as the corporation is family owned, for lack of a better term, the “Made in the USA” inventory methodology could hold, as there were no outsiders to sue for breach of duty; once outsiders hold stock, then the duty to maximize value of investment takes on a different dimension, and if comparable goods are obtainable from China, e.g., at a lower cost, then it becomes incumbent upon the corp to do so, as this will allow greater profits, thereby maximizing the value of the investment.
SOB shops at Wal-Mart, another good reason to stay away.
No union would want a scab like him in it.
CF, nice find. Another one decides that a lifeboat is preferable to sinking with USS Bush.
It’s time to pay Bush the final compliment–to turn his name into a verb.
Like when you back your car into a fence post–”dang, I really bushed that one.” Or someone tells an outrageous, transparent lie, “don’t bush me, man.”
We could change the expression, “his name is mudd,” to “his name is bush.”
Good thought Vaughn.
Hey Hmmm. did you snopes that? Seems like I’ve heard variations on that.
You know, Capn, the typo you posted “… name is mudd” brought to mind the number of small colleges with buildings (often science and/or math) carrying the name of Mudd Hall; and an exceptional small college, a member of the Claremont Colleges, concentrating in Math, Science and Engineering founded in 1955 in Claremont, CA: Harvey Mudd college.
I did a bit of research once into the phenomena, and discovered that the Mudd family was very philanthropic in the areas above described; so, please, do not confuse the current Bush family member holding the office of President with the Mudd family.
sol …
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/16196036.htm
no one,
Just goes to show how much you know about book publishing. Let me educate you.
Not all Wal-Marts allow booksignings. In fact, very few authors sign books there. The only local author I’ve seen signing was Robert Beatty when Nightmare in Wichita came out.
A couple of years ago WM and Sam’s Club held a nationwide event to encourage reading. IMHO, it was a poorly planned and poorly managed event.
Most booksignings are held in small, family owned bookstores or the larger chain stores like B&N, Waldenbooks, Borders, B. Dalton, etc. In other words, stores where people go to specifically buy books.
Tracy, good morning! Oops, make that good afternoon!
http://www.snopes.com/crime/dumdum/911.asp
I’ve heard of newspapers running urban legends to beef up the copy. Just wondering.
Cap,I don’t agree with your logic. First, I DID buy a sump pump there last fall – $79.99. The big boys were all selling them for the same or higher.
Most Walmart employees are happy doing what they’re doing and happy with the wages. They don’t need any post-HS education – unless they want to get into mgmt (and Walmart will help them pay for it, if they do).
You can use defeatist logic all day long. I don’t buy it.
“Scab”, I like it. Well, I really could never be one since joining a union would just not happen. Heck no.
Both WalMart and Target are bringing out a major reduction in prescription prices. For me, one of mine will cost less at them than my co-pay has been before.
Here’s 1.6 million happy employees
http://www.forbes.com/2004/06/23/cx_da_0623topnews.html
Top Of The NewsWal-Mart And Sex Discrimination By The NumbersDan Ackman, 06.23.04, 9:40 AM ET
NEW YORK – A federal judge in San Francisco yesterday granted class-action status to a sex-discrimination lawsuit against Wal-Mart Stores, the nation’s largest employer. The case, which now covers as many as 1.6 million current and former female Wal-Mart employees, can be decided en masse because it is based on a statistical analysis that shows Wal-Mart paid female workers less and gave them fewer promotions than men.
The US Army and the ULLS system used to be one of the most sought after inventory systems in the US. Now it’s walMart’s
Your posting is from 2004. It looks like it goes back to 1999. What is the status today?
looks like its still going on
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4791887
August 9, 2005 ยท Lawyers for Wal-Mart ask a federal appeals court to block a sex-discrimination lawsuit against the discount giant. Female employees have filed a class-action suit contending they were discriminated against in pay and promotions. Sarah Varney of NPR station KQED reports.
Sucks to be them :-(
Anyone else notice how ‘Capn’ almost ALWAYS calls someone a pejorative name in his posts?
http://www.walmartclass.com/walmartclass_casedevelopments.html
From above, sounds like the 9th Circuit has yet to decide the appeal of the class certification order issued by the District Court; been over a year since that was updated; can’t find anything more current.
Yep, he’s a name-caller alright. What an asshole for calling people he don’t like names.
…wait a minute.
Last time I was in a Wal mart to buy something was several years ago. I heard those poor bastards forced to sing the Wal mart loyalty song and that was enough for me never to shop there again.
For those who like to debate about Walmart this is a good resource:
http://www.wakeupwalmart.com/news/
Latest NewsSeen and Heard in the Media
Read past successes
Wal-Mart Braces for a Blue ChristmasNewsweek – Wednesday, December 6, 2006Wal-Mart abuses female employeesSeattle Post-Intelligencer – Wednesday, December 6, 2006Free Speech is Up Against a Wal-MartDenver Post – Tuesday, December 5, 2006Wal-Mart settles class-action suitAssociated Press – Tuesday, December 5, 2006Employees Launch Anti-Wal-Mart TV Ads
I can’t understand the libs hating Walmart. What is it?
The huge success in capitalism? The employing of thousands?The cheaper prices?
The holding a gun to the employees’ heads making them work there?
Man, this makes me want to go there now and get a fresh pack of tubesocks. And maybe a short-sleaved suit.
I do admit, however, that Wal mart offers inexpensively priced items that I can use to spruce up the trailer home.
Maybe I’ll rethink my consumer behavior.
For those interested, the House Ethics Committee Report on the Foley matter has been released:
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/images/12/08/page.report.pdf
I see the trolls are loose again.Hey troll let’s hash out your issues face to face.
….here we go again. JR “The Badass” is bringin’ it.
Isn’t it strange that whenever jr is on the blog, he gets trolled.Coincidence?
It clearly indicates that JR is is own troll.
Wal-Mart sucks ! Don’t go there! How hard is this ??? Why is there a problem ? I don’t like their layout, I don’t go. End of story !
I don’t go there either; also just don’t like the layout of the stores. No big philosophical thing; I’m just not into shopping.
‘Iraq’s Refugee Crisis More Dire than Darfur?’http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2006/12/3079_the_refugee_cri.html“The Guardian reports today that Iraq could be become the biggest refugee crisis the world has witnessed, overtaking even that of Darfur.” (continues)
Kia, I believe in some of the kids with autism, that there has to be a 1. pre-existing genetic disposition and 2. an environmental trigger.
There seems to be two types of autism, early and late onset. Some are saying these kids had autism from the start, but there is usually a clearly marked line of regression. My son had it, and that is why we first suspected autism over anything else.
There are those who seem to progress absolutely normally, then out of the blue one day they just stop or go backwards.
There is another disorder that can do the same thing…PKU. The kids have it from birth and they test from birth now. It’s the inability to eliminate (phenylalanine?) from their bodies which builds up to toxic levels causing brain damage. What triggers it is eating something that has the chemical in it.
I think autism may be similar. So our objective is important to define what kids are suceptible to developing autism, and finding what that trigger is.
There are many theories. It could be anything out there, and they’re already on the trail of some possibilites. From gluten in food to scotchguard in fabrics to mercury in immunizations. I’m glad they’re going to research it more, with the numbers of autism rising to alarming epidemic proportions, we cannot afford not to find out.
My concern is that they may already know what causes it, but the government is covering it up- in which case, no amount of GOVERNMENT FUNDED research is going to help.
Thanks for asking though, I’m glad someone is interested.
Joe Williams: Did you crawl out from under the wrong side of the rock today??
“My concern is that they may already know what causes it, but the government is covering it up- in which case, no amount of GOVERNMENT FUNDED research is going to help.”I agree pmom. The goverment may know but they ain’t tellin’.
I’m with you on this and the carburator that gets 100 mpg.Can you dig it?Bastards!
Walmart is doing better, but only because they’ve been forced to look at their issues. They are discriminatory, they make gazillions on the backs of poor American workers and Chinese workers. I think Sam Walton would be horrified to see what his company has become. All for greed.
However, we should also be looking at employers like JCPenney, Sears, etc…who also make a ton of money and pay very little. I don’t know if they offer affordable insurance for their employees or not. That would be the kicker.
pmom-Are you saying that the employees at WalMart, Pennys, Sears etc., are too stupid to decide if the job they agreed to take pays well enough. When they took the job, isn’t that evidence of ipso facto, ad valorum?
You can all go to hell!
PMom: You are absolutely right about Sam, He is turning and spinning in his grave — of course, the nay-sayers don’t like Bob Gates either. Fuck ‘em, been there, done that. All they can do is run their mouths without a clue !
meltdown again Will? Thanks for allowing me to choose for myself to go to Hell. I appreciate that. Really I do.
Hotlickydickyfleetsenema: I’m really tired of your attitude that everyone can just pick up and get a better paying job. You have to have better paying jobs to apply for. Why is it so much to ask that jobs that earn more should pay more? Companies should take care of their employees. Good employees aren’t even valued anymore- they want who they can hire the cheapest so the bigwigs and investor’s wallets get fatter.
That’s very interesting pmom on the autism issues. Thank you.
Thanks for proving my point Golf. I wasn’t referring to MY job though. I was referring to those jobs in general.
I’m making more than I would at Walmart or Penneys.
How many of us work for a publicly held vs. private company? And is it unionized?
I work for one that is publicly held. However I’m in sales which makes a big difference in how much I can earn. We do not have a union.
I’m interested in knowing how you feel about your job and benefits. My feeling is once a company goes public, the whole game changes. This is alot of what you see with WalMart. They have one priority now versus when Walton started the company. It is to their investors, not employees. This isn’t to advocate this, it’s just the way the system is set up.
Pee, the only point I proved…
Well, there are two:1) You (like all liberals) love to play the victim.
2) People have the right to move on to any job they feel is better than the one they have.
WOW! Looks like it’s been quite a day. Gotta quit working so much …
p-mom – I have read before about the question of mercury. We have known ‘forever’ that mercury is a neurotoxin (’mad as a hatter’); I cannot believe it is still used as a vacine preservative. I could possibly see its use in situations where refrigeration is not available but definitely not when it is. I would think we would be getting away from that.
As a parent and grandparent I can think of nothing worse than seeing one’s children/grandchildren ill in such a manner.
I want to toss out an interesting potential ‘gender discrimination’ issue. Consider a workplace in which there might be chemical exposure. I establish work rules prohibiting fertile females from these worksites.
Is that improper discrimination?
Ben,Only if they are lesbians :-)
No golf, the difference is that I can empathize with someone who isn’t in my situation..it’s called compassion. Try it sometime.
Think back to the 50s when businesses paid decent wages. Mom and pop stores paid their employees well, but mom and pop didn’t make millions either. Their profits were good, and their salaries were better than their workers, but they had integrity.
Ben there are already jobs that won’t hire fertile females in some areas of their plants. And it’s not discrimination. Women are hired in that area only after they show proof of sterility.
But it was still Mom and Pop or their kids who sold out to Wall Street.I’m sure you’ve heard of compassion that liberals measure their compassion by how many people they help and conservatives by how many people they don’t have to.And I believe in Jesus’ teaching “whatever you’ve done for the least of these” also. But that’s not a hand out without some kind of accountability.
Big Business has effectively stamped out all dignified conduct in American business. Think Enron.
We are in agreement here. I know that there has been litigation on this over the years. I wouldn’t go quite as far as demanding sterility; I might go with a midde-aged woman who has already had kids. However, it IS a danger.
Another job-related issue that I remember was the use of young men to work in reactors where they are exposed to radiation. I think they should use us grey-beards for that. Consequences of exposure are much less.
Obviously, we should use safe practices; however there are still hazards.
FU golf, and you’re mistaken. Or you’re lying. The profits of business owners have risen some 500%..
“CEOs made about 565 times as much as security guards, 445 times as much as emergency medical technicians and paramedics, 442 times as much as secretaries, 312 times as much as firefighters and 271 times as much as police officers.
Back in 1960, CEOs made an average 38 times more than schoolteachers, according to Business Week. By 1990, CEOs made 63 times as much. In 2001, CEOs made 264 times as much as public school teachers. ”
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0830-02.htm
It should be mandatory to have wage increases after inflation. Inflation has gone up since the seventies. When did we have a wage increase?
Never.
Fuck all you country clubbers!
Uh Testicles, the stats they quote is from Business Week.
CEOs are nothing but crooks who use off-shore accounts for the purpose of tax evasion.
Once again. Fuck all you country clubbers!
Amen.
Yeah it must suck that a cheating community college reject like me can run circles around your arguments. Think about what that says about you, asswipe.
The Berle and Means thesis focuses on a managerial revolution in which corporate control came to be transferred from owners to managers. Currently, it is arguable that control of corporate policy has shifted back to owners in what has come to be called “investor capitalism.” Stock market manipulators, as owners, have currently come to assert increased levels of control over CEO autonomy. This empirical reality appears in a vicious circle culminating in excessive CEO profits. The result has been to give support to a basic Veblenian assertion that imbecile business institutions hold sway to direct and dominate the economic process. In this process, the making of money rather than the production of goods serviceable for basic human needs have increasingly come to prevail over the US economy and culture.
GoofNut is running true to form–when you can’t dispute the facts, attack the source.
Thing is, GoofNut, common dreams.org is NOT the source–they only reprinted an article from Knight-Ridder, and a lot of the statistical evidence was culled from that radical liberal publication “Business Digest.”
You’re entitled to your own conclusions, but you’re not entitled to your own facts.
Too bad you and Bush have never figured that out.
Correction: Business WEEK and the Census Bureau
Well maybe if you had READ it before you bashed, you’d have learned something eh?
I’m stealing this from another blog- I could NOT resist spreading it. Tech gets kudos for this:
From the Hartford Advocate:
Are George W. Bush Lovers Certifiable?December 7, 2006By Andy Bromage
‘A collective “I told you so” will ripple through the world of Bush-bashersonce news of Christopher Lohse’s study gets out.’
‘Lohse, a social work master’s student at Southern Connecticut State University,says he has proven what many progressives have probably suspected for years: adirect link between mental illness and support for President Bush.’
The really funny thing about this is that Lohse didn’t set out to prove anthing in particular. He was involved in an advocacy project which registered mentally ill people to vote and encouraged them to vote. It just turned out that the more disturbed people were, the more likely they were to vote for Bush!
http://www.ctnow.com/custom/nmm/hartfordadvocate/hce-hta-1207-htnc8bushnuts50.artdec07,0,7394121.story?coll=hce-utility-ha-advocate
Golfnut: “CEOs earn their pay. I’m glad they are well-rewarded.”
Ken Lay??
Disturbed people seek “moral certitude.” Trouble is, there is no such thing is this immensely complex, ineffable universe we live in.
Not surprising, really.
Uh, yeah, not like that knockout, Ann Coulter (sarcasm).
She looks like Meryl Streep’s corpse if it could get up and walk around.
Zombie scary . . .
Hmm! One-sided troll?
How do you two know so much about each others personal lives Golf and Pmom?Are you married? You seem to fight like an old married couple ;-)
Nah! I’m all good. You already have your own, your name says it all. Just leave me out thanks!
But, Mr. Williams, on this board, anyone can troll anyone else.
For example, I am KSGolfnut and I have a little tiny putter.
See how easy it is to make a complete mockery of a message board?
Oh god Kia, don’t say that, he’s already obsessed with me enough- I don’t want to add to his delusions.
Im getting very confused here on who is trolling and who is making actual statements.And I’m not sure whether to be honored or flattered that I haven’t been (hmmm..ponders)
See, you do not have to have a live e-mail address. You do not have to register. You post under any nickname you want, even if it belongs to someone else.
You can call someone a f****** c### if you want.
You can make up #$!% about yourself and get away with it.
You can make up all sorts of stuff, like I am KSGolfnut and I have fifteen holes-in-one.
I would have more, but the windmill keeps getting in the way.
My email is authentic.I was somewhat surprised at first from some of the more spirited debates that I did not receive any hate email.That shows me alot of intergrity for everyone on here for the most part.
Delusional
Trolls don’t have the nuts to email and confront their victims.
I’ve been a part of this forum from the beginning. I have ALWAYS advocated for everyone a right to speak. I have stood up for even the most unpopular of posters. My only exception to that was with one poster who used this forum to post every manner of lie and distortion. Happily, he is no longer with us. The forum collectively let him know he was not welcome.
It’s time for another exception.
KSgolfnuts is a long time harrasser of political mom. I believe he began trolling her almost immediately after she started posting here. Also the number of trolls for other posters including me has increased since mr nut began posting here. That alone doesn’t make him much more than a nuisance.
What makes golfnuts exceptionally vile is the nature of his attacks. I suspect he is responsible for at least one other trouble making nic here.
KSGolfnuts? I have no power to banish you. This forum provides no method to block you posting anything you like. But I too have a right to an opinion. For what it is worth, I’d like to add whatever credibility I have here to my opinion.
I’d like to see you leave this forum KSGolfnuts. You add nothing to it and you bring only trouble.
I call for a vote. Again, it is nothing more than a statement of opinion with no real consequence other than mr nut knowing how he is thought of here. Who else would like for KSGolfnuts to disappear?
Do you think this is funny, troll? This post was not done by me. Stop. Enough is enough. Yeowie, your an idiot.
oh oh mememememe!
I call for a vote, and if he doesn’t go, I will.
What say you?
I call for the guy to be “voted out” for trolling and the first thing he does 4 minutes later is troll me again. Telling.
That’s 3 votes for you to get lost so far Goof.
Somebody’s been hitting the moonshine tonite I’m guessing.Golf you are giving my kind a bad name.And I mean golfers not Republicans ;-)
As has always been said on this blog,DON’T FEED THE TROLLSJudging from the number of “trolls”, WE Blog must be gitting popular.Or maybe it’s just one person with an agenda.