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Morrison says he won’t keep Wichita Attorney as reported in the WE link above.
Of course, Morrison claims that Kline’s view on abortion is prejudice and says nothing on his own prejudice for not hearing other views.
I guess if you have a differing view, you just don’t count when it comes to justice, Eh Judge Clark, Nolah Foulston, Mr. Morrison?
Get ready Wichita for incoming 2007 blasting in, in a few days. One of our problems will be the ill-advised, unwanted, unneeded, expensive, albatross, white elephant downtown ice hockey arena.
The $250,000,000.43 arena is only wanted by those who are associated with the project or stand to profit from the arena in some way.
Its an easy come, easy go money project. Take from the many and give to the few. Robin Hood in reverse — take from those of moderate means and give to the rich.
Wichita is confronted with many problems which could threaten its survival as a viable small city in southern Kansas.
So lets get smart on the proposed downtown arena — STOP IT BEFORE IT WASTES REALLY BIG MONEY. AND REPLACE THAT ARENA FOOTPRINT WITH A WAL-MART OR SUPER TARGET, ETC.JWink
Still whining about your court DEFEAT JM? Justice has been served, Kline and his extremist buddies have been slapped down yet again. The legal system is a bitch for ya isn’t JM?
“Still whining about your court DEFEAT JM? Justice has been served, Kline and his extremist buddies have been slapped down yet again. The legal system is a bitch for ya isn’t JM?”Posted by: Blaidd Drwg | December 29, 2006 at 07:24 AM
When you going to learn to discuss the issues like an adult Blaidd instead of taking the easy way out by calling names and using insulting remarks?
I can talk like that and never give anyone a break calling all sorts of name, but I won’t. Intelligent discussion is the key, but if you can’t bring yourself to that level, that says way more about you than it does me.
“When you going to learn to discuss the issues like an adult Blaidd instead of taking the easy way out by calling names and using insulting remarks?”
What name did I call you that hurt your FEELINGS so bad?
GET OVER IT!
Wichita Eagle Blog Editor,
I’m getting tired of that verification check. Out of the last 10 posts I’ve done, 9 have had that verification check.
It is hard to read with substandard vision and quite annoying.
Please try another method. Please. :)
Oh yeah, the post above was subject to the verification message, make that 10/11.
Make that 11/12
make that 12/13
make that 13/14
make that 14/15
make that 15/16
and still it carries on and on and on.
Evidently the Wichita Eagle has tagged my IP to keep me from posting as the page hangs up everytime I visit now.
I’m on another computer now posting this, so it has a different IP.
I’ll come back perhaps when WE gets rid of that method of verification they have now.
JM – would it be a sort of ‘name-calling’ if I referred to everything pro-Kline as “More conservative press claptrap”?
JM: Perhaps EAGLE sleuths have information that you are, in reality, an automated robot. Do you cruise old town in some kind of robotic vehicle? Do you eat lunch at a Westar transfer station? Can you leap over tall buildings? If so, you might continue to be subjected to the hated verification check ……..like the rest of us.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1227guard-ON.html
Bush positives you won’t read anywhere else.
Duh! I would imagine if you placed 6,000 troops at the border it MIGHT make a difference, KIA!So what are the long term solutions to the problem? Building a bigger wall and adding more guards to the border is just slapping a bigger bandaid on the breaking damn. We need to address the problems with Mexico, because that’s where the underlying issue to illegals crossing the border is. Mexico encourages it’s citizens to do this, because many of them can’t survive and support a family in their own country.
I think that overall Bush has the correct approach on this issue. He seems to have the balance of border control, employment control, and “amnesty” to perhaps make something that will work.
Ben
Amnesty?
What do you get when you reward illegal behavior?
Let me help you with that one.More illegal behavior.
Amnesty from the 1980’s didn’t work well.I wouldn’t suggest overthrowing the Mexican government either.Guest Worker Program.
JM, have you bothered to try refreshing your browser after posting? I’ve found that it helps a lot if I post more than once, especially on the same thread like you did above.
By the way, your bitching about it and adding to the garbage and bandwidth doesn’t help the situation.
Except for the death penalty hearing before the SC and this idiotic mess with what Kline thinks are illegal abortions, what has the man done during his time in office?
Let’s see, he hired one of his OR buddies, hired his…nephew, wasn’t it?…as a driver. What? Can’t the man drive a car himself?
What a legacy!
Guys having the problem with verification on every post. There is a time factor, so if you post again and again, very quickly, it will come up.
If it says something about I.P. address verification, go to those links and have your IP address verify. It might take a couple of days, but after that you shouldn’t have that problem anymore.
Illegal immigrants are here and more are coming everyday. That is a fact. Either we learn to deal with it or we keep burying ours heads in the sand.
Why should we help Mexico? They have enough money to help themselves. The trouble here is that there are employers willing to hiring illegals. They are willing to pay under the table. They are willing to help obtain forged paperwork for these illegals. The chances of getting caught are minimal – and as evidenced from the one case in wichita – the only punishment is a fine and probation time.
So this problem needs to be addressed by not only stationing troops at the border, but changing the mindset of the employers and the illegal immigrants. I am for a guest worker program leading to citizenship but I also want each illegal immigrant to be responsible to pay all the taxes that the rest of us Americans pay. I have a feeling that if that really happened – there would still be employers willing to hire illegal immigrants under the table – it is cheap labor being exploited. That is the main problem working here.
Another major poll you won’t read about in the “liberal/communist” Eagle–
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6307800,00.html
Thursday December 28, 2006 7:16 PM
By The Associated Press
The Associated Press-AOL News poll on who people think were the villains and heroes of the last year was conducted Dec. 19-21 and is based on telephone interviews with 1,004 adults from all states except Alaska and Hawaii. The poll was conducted by Ipsos, an international polling firm.
1. If you were asked to name a famous person to be the biggest villain of the year, whom would you choose?
-George W. Bush, 25 percent
-Osama bin Laden, 8 percent
-Saddam Hussein, 6 percent
-President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, 5 percent
-Kim Jong Il, North Korean leader, 2 percent
-Donald Rumsfeld, 2 percent
What I think this shows is the “man on the street” is so damn stupid and not up on current events that they don’t even know who these two are:
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, 5 percent
-Kim Jong Il, North Korean leader, 2 percent
As I have stated and proven: all polls are biased.
Clearly, this is no exception.
The 3,000th soldier may expire in Iraq before 2006 does.
Up to 2,991 deaths in George Bush’s war for oil.
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/
Happy New Year.
Ah, so everybody is misinformed except for KIA . . . thanks for the typical CONservative elitism.
MrK,Amen to that. Most common-folk can’t name the VP, the Sec of State, the Sec of Defense, the House Speaker…etc.
My 7 yr old has more civics knowledge than the average American.
Like that poll Capn.
And I see JM has stomped off in a huff again. The verification thing? I almost never get it.
Maybe the Eagle is monitoring the credibility of posters better than we know?
Immigration? No! Deportation YES!
I’d challenge you Capn to go down to your Old Town district and ask random people if they can name the leader of North Korea and Iran.I’m not calling any WE bloggers misinformed, lots of other things, but not misinformed.But if you think that the general public is up on these kinds of things you are mistaken and really does show out of touch you are with America.
Civics is a priority in our home as well.
heh heh
The other day we were watching a show where aliens were attacking the capitol.
My kid was yelling “Get bush! Get him!”
See, folks, GoofNuts seven year old is SMARTER than YOU!
That’s the kind of attitude it takes to be a CONservative . . . “I’m better. So I deserve more. Screw the ‘little people,’ they’re just ignorant rabble.”
Please refer us skeptics to where you have “proven” that “all polls are biased”.
Looking forward to this… :-)
Kind of ironic (and stooopid) to diss the man on the street for not knowing the names of world leaders and a few congressmen, when our own “world leader” didn’t have a clue when he was running for office.
Anybody wanna bet he keeps notes on his shirt cuffs?
Oh you’ll get not much quarrel from me on the intelligence level and information of the people.
In a better informed America, the Republican party would pull about a 20% vote.
I don’t know how many of my FORMER friends vote Republican for one and only ONE reason.
“Democrats wanna take my guns away!” (wipes nose on sleeve)
I’ll put the information level of a Democrat voter against a Republican voter anytime.
The difference between a CONservative and a liberal–
From “It’s a Wonderful Life”
CONSERVATIVE POTTER–George, I’m an old man, and most people hate me. But I don’t like them either, so that makes it all even. . . . Take during the depression, for instance. You and I were the only ones that kept our heads. You saved the Building and Loan,and I saved all the rest.
GEORGE Yes. Well, most people say you stole all the rest.
POTTER The envious ones say that, George, the suckers.
*****
POTTERHave you put any real pressure on those people of yours to pay those mortgages?POP BAILEYTimes are bad, Mr. Potter. A lot of these people are out of work.
POTTERThen foreclose!
BAILEYI can’t do that. These families have children.
MEDIUM CLOSE SHOT – POTTER AND BAILEYGEORGE Pop!POTTERThey’re not my children.BAILEYBut they’re somebody’s children.POTTERAre you running a business or acharity ward?
BAILEYMr. Potter, what makes you such ahardskulled character? You have no family – no children. You can’t begin to spend all the money you’ve got.POTTERSo I suppose I should give it tomiserable failures like you and that idiot brother of yours to spend for me.
*****
POTTERPeter Bailey was not a business man. That’s what killed him. Oh, I don’t mean any disrespect to him, God rest his soul. He was a man of high ideals, so-called, but ideals without common sense can ruin this town.(picking up papers from table)
Now, you take this loan here to Ernie Bishop… You know, that know that sits around all day on his brains in his taxi. You know… I happen to know the bank turned down this loan, but he comes here and we’re building him a house worth five thousand dollars. Why?
George is at the door of the office, holding his coat andpapers, ready to leave.
GEORGE Well, I handled that, Mr. Potter. You have all the papers there. His salary, insurance. I can personally vouch for his character.
POTTER(sarcastically)A friend of yours?
GEORGEYes, sir.
POTTERYou see, if you shoot pool with someemployee here, you can come and borrowmoney. What does that get us? Adiscontented, lazy rabble instead ofa thrifty working class. And allbecause a few starry-eyed dreamerslike Peter Bailey stir them up andfill their heads with a lot ofimpossible ideas. Now, I say…
George puts down his coat and comes around to the table,incensed by what Potter is saying about his father.
GEORGEJust a minute – just a minute. Now,hold on, Mr. Potter. You’re rightwhen you say my father was no businessman. I know that. Why he ever startedthis cheap, penny-ante Building andLoan, I’ll never know. But neitheryou nor anybody else can say anythingagainst his character, because hiswhole life was… Why, in the twenty-five years since he and Uncle Billystarted this thing, he never oncethought of himself. Isn’t that right,Uncle Billy? He didn’t save enoughmoney to send Harry to school, letalone me. But he did help a few peopleget out of your slums, Mr. Potter.And what’s wrong with that? Why…Here, you’re all businessmen here.Doesn’t it make them better citizens?Doesn’t it make them better customers?You… you said… What’d you sayjust a minute ago?… They had towait and save their money beforethey even ought to think of a decenthome. Wait! Wait for what? Untiltheir children grow up and leavethem? Until they’re so old and broken-down that they… Do you know howlong it takes a working man to savefive thousand dollars? Just rememberthis, Mr. Potter, that this rabbleyou’re talking about… they do mostof the working and paying and livingand dying in this community. Well,is it too much to have them work andpay and live and die in a couple ofdecent rooms and a bath? Anyway, myfather didn’t think so. People werehuman beings to him, but to you, awarped, frustrated old man, they’recattle. Well, in my book he died amuch richer man than you’ll ever be!
I think my rate of being exposed to the “bot-stopper” is about 50%. I have noticed I am more likely to be exposed to said stopper when I post in quick succession.
Quote of the Day:
“Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”Theodore Dalrymple
Viva la Raza Blanco!!
There should be no amnesty, path to citizenship or anything else for these “people”. These “people” need to be deported or killed!
Killed mother and two children on Christmas Eve
There are still a lot of questions about the suspected drunk driver who killed a woman and two of her children while driving under the influence on Christmas Eve.
Carlos Prieto is in the Salt Lake County Jail. In the past couple of hours we’ve learned that he’s been in Utah at least a couple of years and that he may be in the country illegally.
Prieto was booked into the Salt Lake County Jail on suspicion on vehicular homicide, driving under the influence, and driving without a license. Prosecutors are still screening the case, and formal charges are expected tomorrow morning.
Police arrested Prieto on Christmas Eve morning, when he ran a red light at the intersection of 5400 South and 700 East in Murray, and broadsided a car carrying the Ceran family. Cheryl Ceran, her son, Ian [15], and daughter, Julianna [7], died. Gary Ceran and two other children survived.
Jail documents reveal that when police arrived at the scene, Prieto smelled strongly of alcohol and had glassy, bloodshot eyes. Prieto admitted to police, he had five beers before getting behind the wheel.
Full articlehttp://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=11169
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!
No J R
I haven’t stomped off in a huff again.
Isn’t it time to change your underwear for the month and go down to the liquor store to buy your case of favorite hootch?
I just read in my hometown Illinois newspaper that Saddam is scheduled to hang by Saturday. Haas anybody else heard or seen anything about this?
It seems to be all over the news channels.From what I was watching, he was handed over to Iraqi authority’s this morning and the order (death) has been signed by the PM.All the talk is yes, Saturday (which someone help me out on the time difference).
Suza, there seem to be reports all over the web, in the media, etc. to that effect. There are also conflicting reports about Saddam being turned over to the Iraqis, other reports denying this. I personally think he’s in Iraq custody, and the execution will occur Saturday (Iraqi time).
MrK, the difference here in Wichita is Baghdad being +9 hours, as I recall. You are in Cali, so that would be +11 hours in your case, assuming I remembered the delta correctly.
Yep that’s right on the time.Sounds like now they are saying it could be within the hour. In an hour it is Saturday. News just said something about being on a Saturday being against muslim law.
They might start their day at sundown as Jews do
Latest from cnn.com on potential execution time for Saddam:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/29/hussein/index.html
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/
Unable to make good on its promises, the G.O.P., like other failed revolutionary movements, tried to maintain its grip by exploiting its position of power. Friends were rewarded with patronage: Jack Abramoff began building his web of corruption almost as soon as Republicans took control. Adversaries were harassed with smear campaigns and witch hunts: Congress spent six years … investigating a failed land deal, and Bill Clinton was impeached over a consensual affair.
But it wasn’t enough. Without 9/11, the Republican revolution would probably have petered out quietly… Instead, the atrocity created … four extra years gained by drowning out unfavorable news with terror alerts, starting a gratuitous war, and accusing Democrats of being weak on national security.
Yet the Bush administration failed to convert this electoral success into progress on a right-wing domestic agenda. The collapse of the push to privatize Social Security recapitulated the failure of the Republican revolution as a whole. Once the administration was forced to get specific about the details, it became obvious that private accounts couldn’t produce something for nothing, and the public’s support vanished.
In the end, Republicans didn’t shrink the government. But they did degrade it. …
Is that the end for the radical right? Probably not. … Many of the ideas that failed in the Bush years had previously failed in the Reagan years. So there’s no reason to assume they’re gone for good.
Indeed, it appears that loss of power and the ensuing lack of accountability is liberating right-wingers to lie yet again: since last month’s election, I’ve noticed a number of Social Security privatizers propounding the same free-lunch falsehoods that the Bush administration had to abandon in the face of demands that it present an actual plan.
Still, the Republican revolution of 1994 is over. And not a moment too soon.
Ian,Do you ever have a point? Other than just spouting garbage? Are you a mouse or a man? You never respond to any inquiry. Seems pretty cowardly to me. Do I need to buy you a set of balls?
Ian is a moron, Brenda, don’t waste your breath.I thought about you at Xmas, I know it’s hard with your boys gone. It sucks.
Brenda,
I have a large set of brass ones, so pose any questions that you may have!
I assmue that you are new here, so welcome!
Viva la Revolucion Blanco!!
Then why don’t you answer her questions, Ian?What made you the way you are?
Mary-Damoon,
I have been very open about my background and beliefs. I was raised by very racially aware parents and unlike most of you, I was taught to never accept anything at face value. (ie, raical “equality”, the “benefits” of deiversity, the “holocaust”, etc.,)
viva la Raza Blanco!!
Ian,
I was thinking of you tonight while I watched a movie. Have you ever seen CRASH? The movie that won last year’s Oscar/Academy Award for Best Picture.
I suggest that those who want know my beliefs check out this and read my Bloghttp://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=123344840 Viva La Raza Blanco
Santiago, are you still linking that My Space pic?
It’s flat out awful.
Ian,I went your MySpace site. WSC is right!! You like the KKK? I hate to break this to you, but they wouldn’t let you in. Your skin is too brown.I found out I was right. Your penis is too small and it has made you mean. But cheer up, go get some nukky, because there is someone for everyone. I’m sure there is a girl out there who will love you or least your bank account
Brenda! You’re getting ornery!!!As far as a woman loving Ian, she’d have to be deaf, dumb (as in stupid), and blind…personally, I think he’s a closet homosexual.
Note on Ian’s site that he has Wichita in Alabama.