The year 2005 may prove decisive in defining the face of Kansas in the 21st century. That’s when, according to new census data, Hispanics became the majority population in Seward County, rising to 50.4 percent of the county’s 23,274 residents, up from 49.4 percent of the population in 2004. Also last year, all minorities together made up more than 50 percent of the population of Ford County for the first time, with non-Hispanic whites slipping from 50.9 percent in 2004 to 49.6 percent in 2005. (Wyandotte County is the only other Kansas county in which minorities add up to a majority.) As the Hispanic numbers grew in 12 of 14 counties in southeast Kansas last year, the non-Hispanic white population decreased in 13 of those counties — mostly because young people continue to leave for college and jobs. And it’s likely that the Hispanic population percentages are low, because many undocumented residents escape such counting.
Many will see this change in Kansas’ demographics as a challenge and opportunity rather than a threat. Others, of course, will rue the day. Either way, is Kansas ready for this?
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What did the Indian polls say when Euros illegally invaded the Indians’ land?
Heartlander you are an idiot. Your kids are becoming a minority, and will continued to be LEGALLY discriminated against. WHY? Because they are LEGAL, WHITE, and AMERICAN CITIZENS.
Your tripe of an argument could be stated against Mexico, or South America. Remember it was NOT the ALglo’s that discovered this continent. IT was the SPANISH!!!! Yeah, that is right, the SPANISH “invaded”.
You want countries wothout borders, then all must play by the same game. The illegal situation from Mexico is just Mexico exporting their poor and their problems.
I think that in Texas they are getting ready to cut off all SState Assistance to illegals. That is a state that has been friendly to illegals, but cannot bear the burden of taking care of Central America’s and Mexico’s poor that those countries don’t want to take care of.
Just wait. ALl your wages will be depressed, your housing values will go down, and your hospitals will close because of these illegal freeloaders cast off from other countries.
50.4 percent hispanic in one county. How much ya wanna bet they aren’t assimilating, and will vote against American and Kansan interests. DO you think they will vote for white folks needs???? African American needs? No, the hispanic culture is an arrogant one, they are not into assimilations they are into Lation “aggrandisment”.
You need to smell the coffee.
Furhtermore:
“And it’s likely that the Hispanic population percentages are low, because many undocumented residents escape such counting.”
They don’t pay taxes, and how can you keep roads maintained and hospitals open with a “considerable amount” of people not paying????
AssBestos: You can’t have it both ways…if the Hispanics are illegal aliens, they can’t vote. If they are citizens, they can vote. And, guess what? They have the same rights you and I do, and they can vote their own interests, just like we can vote ours. Where’s the problem? You just don’t get it, do you? Or, do you think only WASPS should be eligible to vote?
“if the Hispanics are illegal aliens, they can’t vote. If they are citizens, they can vote. And, guess what?”
Shows the folks what YOU know there rm6046. Non Citizens cannot vote in a “Presidential Election”, but if the State allows, they CAN vot in Local and State elections. Look it up, I M right.
Citizens should be THE ONLY ones deciding what is to occur on this issue. And on this issue, 90% of the US CITIZENS, what this stupidity to stop. Lock the borders down, and THEN we will fix the problems with the illegals we have here now.
If you want to pay for the illegal aliens hospital bills, go right ahead, but the taxpayer should NOT be complelled to pay for this after the illeagals have *invited themselves in” our country and them demand all these services and “rights” that they do not demand in their own countries of origin.
You sir are the rqacists and nationalists.
YOU hate Whites, and Hate America.
Remember too that our US CITIZENS that are poor and economically disadvantaged are being displaced by this hoard of illegal aliens.
Those US Citizens that are deserving of the services and help are usually African American, WHite, and Hispanic. THOSE Americans diserve to be taken care of, the illegals do not.
Mr. Asbestos:
Are you friable or non friable?
Calling people an idiot is the sure fire way for your entire response to be ignored/point not taken.
Thanks, Eric. Can anyone give me the name of even one jurisdiction in the United States which allows non-citizens to be registered voters? And, for what it’s worth, I’m white and I’m an American. IMHO, that just means I was damned lucky to have been born to whom and where I was.
California is one that allows non citizens to vote in local elections.
As for being “damn lucky to be born …”
In just a few short years, your kids and their childres will not be so “damn lucky” with this level of illegal influx.
You guys need to wake up. Why did Farmers Branch pass that ordinance? Because they are going to have to start closing hospitals and entitlement programs. They are that taxed in that city from the need supplied to Mexico’s refuse.
Farmers Branch, Texas — the Redneck Capitol of the World. I lived in Dallas for many years and I’m quite familiar with Farmers Branch. That ordinance has as much chance standing up to legal scrutiny as Sam Brownback has to be President.
Other than you “saying so”, what documentation do you have that California allows illegal aliens to vote? I just got off the phone with one of my closest friends in California, who is very politically active, and he’s never heard of it, but said to thank you for a great laugh.
The community I live in counting our outlying areas is 45% hispanic.Some of our neighboring farm communities are over 90%. Obviously not all these are legal. I think the confusion comes somewhat in that many illegals have counterfeit paperwork. From articles I read in the local fishwrap (that’s newspaper) these are pretty readily available on the streets of downtown Los Angeles.Just a guess, but I can’t imagine that you are talking growing to 50% all by legal immigration/citzenship. I’m guessing of hispanics as well your population has to be in th 80% of mexican ancestry.
As far as voting goes, only 8% of registered voters in my area are hispanic (again 45% hispanic in the area.).
Oh, rm6046 you have a great debate skill of saying your heresay is better than mine??? Are you insane? THere are even cities that no longer enforce traffic ordinances because they are so full of illegals with no DL’s.
The ordinance has passed and is legal, just like Hazelton, PA.
As for name calling your are one to talk: Redneck capital of the world? You are a self hating white aren’t you?
Remember all the “blue dog democrats” are NOT going to vote for any Amnesty, and anyone who does signs their political “death warrant”. It would be career sucicide.
You also need to know that along the southern US border 80% of the births are to unwed illegal aliens, birthing the so called “anchor babies”. Those hospitals are going broke.
You need to choose if you are an AMERICAN, of if you are an anti American Illegal alien supporter. Hell even in San Antonio the Illegal alien supporters are getting turned on there by Citizen Hispanics who have had enough.
You are on the wrong side of this one.
“Just a guess, but I can’t imagine that you are talking growing to 50% all by legal immigration/citzenship. I’m guessing of hispanics as well your population has to be in th 80% of mexican ancestry.”
WRONG, 80% of the Kansas population is from Caucasian Ancestry. ANd your guess is that.. a guess, for your perconceived notion that this illegal alien this is ok. It is clear as you call them “illegal immigrants”. You cannot “immigrate” illegally, only legal people are “immigrants”. So use the proper words. They are illegal aliens.
So go away Mr. California man, your talk has no use here in Kansas.
What I meant was that 80% of your HISPANIC population is likely Mexican ancestry. With Mexico obviously on the borders, they are most likely illegals than South/Central and Caribbean Hispanics.And my point was politcally you seem so worried about when Hispanics start voting. I don’t see that here yet so I don’t think you need to worry about it.Unless you are a decendent of Pilgrims, I’m sure your ancestry was discriminated against when they came over in large numbers (i.e. Irish, Italians, etc.).BTW I am a conservative Republican and evangelical christian.
Illegals are economically RAPING our country. Their so-called “contribution” to our country is getting us a NET LOSS in the BILLIONS … they are going to cause us to go bankrupt much sooner.
Those of you who support such illegal activity are just as guilty as those exploiting our handouts.
Apparently kia and heartlander are perfectly ok with America being transformend into a third world country. I’m not.
Shut the borders. Mine the borders. Place a bounty for report of each and every illegal immigrant and then DEPORT them, no more “anchor” babies. We are facing no less than a full scale invasion.
Really where did you get your economics degree? Princeton? Or Harvard?I hate to come off so pro-illegal. However I view most of this backlash as racism.Two of my best friends are married to women who are 2nd and 3rd generation in America (as long as one side of my family from Italy). These women are as “white” as I am politically and socially. Can you say the same for other minority groups?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5312900
Q: How do illegal immigrants affect the overall U.S. economy?Illegal immigration has both negative and positive impacts on different parts of the economy. As noted above, wages for low-skilled workers go down. But that means the rest of America benefits by paying lower prices for things like restaurant meals, agricultural produce and construction. Another negative impact is on government expenditures. Since undocumented workers generally don’t pay income taxes but do use schools and other government services, they are seen as a drain on government spending.
There are places in the United States where illegal immigration has big effects (both positive and negative). But economists generally believe that when averaged over the whole economy, the effect is a small net positive. Harvard’s George Borjas says the average American’s wealth is increased by less than 1 percent because of illegal immigration.
The economic impact of illegal immigration is far smaller than other trends in the economy, such as the increasing use of automation in manufacturing or the growth in global trade. Those two factors have a much bigger impact on wages, prices and the health of the U.S. economy.
jr, I am so with you I can’t stand it. One other problem is that the “melting pot” has stopped melting. There is nothing wrong with pride in your ancestry (my wifes great grand parents came over on the boat from Ireland, my great grand parents had a German newpaper subscription) but you won’t find us waving their flags in the street.
Racism?That’s cheap and lazy. It has nothing to do with race. Everything to do with ILLEGAL.
I agree that the whatever they want to have called it day waving the Mexican flag was disgusting.And who organized this?The UFW, a liberal mouthpiece if there ever was one.
If this wasn’t so tragic, it would almost be funny. I’m not pro-illegal. I’m not pro-Hispanic. But most of all, I’m not a racist. Each and every racist comment I have read has been courtesy of AssBestos. Yes, we need to close the borders. But I’ll take 100 Hispanics (legally) over a single Iraqi, Irani, Saudi, Pakistani, and so on (ad infinitum).
And if you haven’t lived in metropolitan Dallas, don’t try to tell anybody about Farmers Branch, TX. And passing an ordinance has NOTHING to do with its legality. It’s nothing more than a publicity stunt to announce that Farmers Branch is, in fact, the Redneck Capitol of the United States. They’re proud of it!
And no, I wasn’t saying that my hearsay is better than your hearsay. I was simply asking a question. I suppose that won’t be allowed when the Ayatollah Assbestos is Shah!
The racism charge IS cheap. The way Kia used it is ALSO highly hypocritical. Watch this!
“However I view most of this backlash as racism.”
Followed very shortly by
“Two of my best friends are married to women who are 2nd and 3rd generation in America (as long as one side of my family from Italy). These women are as “white” as I am politically and socially. Can you say the same for other minority groups?”
If you are looking for racists Kia? I think you found yourself! “as “white” as I am politically and socially”?
My my!
Well every good Democrat knows JR that only a white person could be conservative or rich in this country (sarasm)
“I hate to come off so pro-illegal. However I view most of this backlash as racism.”
NOt hardly, not even close. This is about a whole sector of a population IN OUR country, that has NO REASON WHATSOEVER to be legal or follow the laws. The break a law, they just change their name. Not paying taxes, no problemo, just change your name. Have a catrosphic accident and kill a person wind up in the hospital and get treated, no problem, just change your names.
As for your lousey Economics there Mr. KIA, you leave out the illegals that are rounded up severla times in this country AFTER being deported for their 7-10th time after being convicted and prosecuted for their 7-10th crime, (in additin to the illegal entering of our country serially.).
about a quarter to a fifth of our prison polulation are illegals, not in the houscow for illegal immigration, but violent crimes and theft. They clog our legal system, displace American Poor from assistance, and put suca a burden on services they simply fail. They burden our schools unecessarily. Who the heck wants to live in Western Kansas Now with these collectively legally impared individuals???
That is NOT racial. That is reasoned. It comes from the failing of THEIR HOME COUNTRY’s failed domestic policy. THAT is HTEIR country and THEY need to CLEAN their COUNTRY UP before telling US how to run ours.
I guess you missed the quotes from the Hutch News paper this article was taken from. From the Hutch News:
“Despite it all, Franz and Vinton say the 2005 Hispanic count probably falls short of reality, at least in Seward and Ford counties. Franz says some Hispanics are undocumented and unwilling to come forward to be counted, while both point to the Hispanic concentration in their schools – 66.8 percent in Liberal USD 480 and 67.2 percent in Dodge City USD 443.”
and if there is more about illegaqls taking over:
“”As Hispanics, we need to wake up,” Franz said. Anglos, for their part, need to know “that we’re here and we’re not going anywhere.”"
The racists are the illegal aliens, with Hispanic aggrandisment. They hate whites, and then Americans.
Wake the hell up!!
” But I’ll take 100 Hispanics (legally) over a single Iraqi, Irani, Saudi, Pakistani, and so on (ad infinitum).”
I guess there rm6046 that racisism is OK if you hate the particular race, but enjoy the other. What an idiot!!! LOL!!! HOW is that statement NOT RACIST????
It’s really quite simple. The (mostly Catholic) Hispanics have not declared war on me and sworn “Death to the Infidels”! I did not choose to start this fight, but I’ll damned sure defend it.
Mr. Kia stated:
“America benefits by paying lower prices for things like restaurant meals, agricultural produce and construction.”
Let’s see the “benefits” of this are people that work in the fast food places and agriculture areas that do not wash their hands. SO we have an E. Coli outbreak. Had 3 this year so far. Traced back to a grower that employs … illegal labor.
Additionally in the Construction trades OSHA is now alarmed at the “non reporting” of construction accidents and deaths. Alarmed enough to start a seperate tally of work related death for Hispanics. Their death rate is up 26 % in this year alone.
THEY are being EXPLOITED. THAT is why we have employment laws. The same arguments were used to justify the anti child labor laws in the 1900s are being used today to continue the expolitation of the illegal alien for dollars, and to support illegal workers.
To rm6046:
So hispanics are Catholic and the MIddle Easterners are ALL terrorists??
Again, how is that not racist? We have a heck of a lot of very intelligent and necessary Citizens of Middle Eastern Descent, and in American we treat ALL CITIZENS equal.
You can spin all you want, but YOU are most definately “rqacist toward middle easterners.
That is what happens when yur opinion is based on “political dogma” instead of real facts.
Funny
I’ve seen no Muslims of ANY nationality working 16hour days for 15 dollars. No the fellow I saw doing that was definitely Mexican.
AssBestos: Thank you for actually uttering a very intellegent statement … your first of the day. That tells me that you are not the complete idiot I thought you were, and I hope that, having vented your anger, you can offer some more constructive thoughts to this issue.
Whoops, I was wrong!
To the historically impared, the kids of immigrants and certainly their kids will have become fully Americanized in just a few decades.
Most Americans walking around today are a mongral mix of race and ethnicity anyway.
The whole thing is a non-issue.
Can’t explain to the group that you are racist when you are publiclly busted for it. You are right, pointing out your racism was very intelligent.
“The whole thing is a non-issue.”
Other than the total breakdown of laws, and all the money going to waste that we are paying.
Not a big issue? PLease start your oxygen, U R lightheaded.
Sorry, I was speaking of your post prior to that one. And no, I don’t think they are all terrorists. They’re all Muslims — dedicated to erasing the Infidels. That’s us and I find that to be a significant issue. That is not racism. That’s a fact.
Instead of focusing your hatred on the immigrants (legal or illegal), have you considered focusing upon the EXPLOITERS who hire them? You want to kick some ass … let’s start there, and I’ll be right there beside you.
“Racism?That’s cheap and lazy. It has nothing to do with race. Everything to do with ILLEGAL.”
Is the end of the world near? Because I’m agreeing with fleettwood.
Must be a dream…
Johnson county! As white as you can get!
Just for the record, for all you really smart fellas. I am a white, middle-aged, employed male who is a life-time resident of Western Kansas. Bitch all you want to, BUT, as long as American businesses are cashing in on the cheap labor from the south it will continue. Do not blame folks who are trying to achieve a better life for themselves and their families. They are doing exactly what all of us would do in the same situation. And they are taking advantage of all the “free stuff” that WE are providing. The problem lies within our own government and ourselves. So, rise up and do something about it or shut the hell up.
from rm6046:
“Instead of focusing your hatred on the immigrants (legal or illegal), have you considered focusing upon the EXPLOITERS who hire them?”
My hatred is not directed at LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, and I said so in oh I would say 3 posts. IT is however directed at ILLEGAL ALIENS (They are not “immigrants, immigrants come in the country and apply LEGALLY)and those that hire them.
Your lying and misrepresenting what I said is not good and it does your position a whole lotta damage you idiot.
Remember to be an IMMIGRANT you have to come in the country LEGALLY. To rush across the border or to overstay a visa is “illegal” and takes you out from being an “immigrant”.
And immigrants (that is legally entering the country) are a great source of pride and a great intellectual resoourse for the US of A.
Thos however whom come here illegally are NOT needed, and NOT wanted, and are dregs that need to go home.
Justoneman:
“Do not blame folks who are trying to achieve a better life for themselves and their families.”
Try, just try to emmigrat to another country the way these illegal aliens are coming into our country. ALl those other countries where you would emmigrate to will show you the door and DO NOT care if you are loking for a better life. The immigration policies of most all the nations is “TUFF”!
Except for America of course. We are just supposed to bend overfor these idiot illegal aliens? NO WAY!!!!
Remember 25% of all fatal accidents come from those that do not hav drivers licenses. Illegal aliens kill 12-13 Americans EVERYDAY in fatal car crashes (usually involving alcohol from the illegal alien driver.)
Illegal aliens murder 1517 Americans EVERYDAY.
When they murder or kill someone in a car accident, they just change their name and move on. We don;t know who they are.
YOU IDIOTS need to wake up!
“Illegal aliens murder 1517 Americans EVERYDAY.”
Thgat would be 15-17 killed everyday.
Think it is time to start shooting back? Maybe start shooting back at the border. That time is coming.
We must ’sour the milk’ for the illegals. Call or write your elected representatives and bring out these points in the call:
1, America cannot support another 100 million people added to our country in 34 years, i.e., water crisis, resource depletion, air pollution, gridlock, loss of quality of life, etc.2, America cannot support lawbreakers being given citizenship.3, America must maintain our English language.4, America wants only legal immigrants who play by the rules and speak English.5, America’s working poor deserve a chance at jobs taken by illegals6, America already has too many people and I support a 10 year moratorium on all immigration.7, Americans must maintain our schools for our children.8, We can no longer tolerate 350,000 birthright citizens (anchor babies) annually that subtract from our own citizens.9, Attrition through enforcement by stopping their ability to wire money home, obtain rental housing and jobs.10, An amnesty failed in 1986, and it will only be worse today. We’re being displaced out of our jobs and out of our own country. Call with relentless and never-give-up passion.
AssBestos: Are you “typing impaired”, or “spelling disadvantaged”, or just fucking functionally illiterate? I suspect I already know the answer, but I just thought I would ask.
Buster: Good ideas and a plan. Hell, we don’t even have a plan, so far. Where the hell are all these troops that were going to patrol the border? Unfortunately, we’re not going to get anything out of Washington, D.C. The best definition of insanity I have ever heard is “Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.” That’s our Congress and the “special interests” that runs it.
“AssBestos: Are you “typing impaired”, or “spelling disadvantaged”, or just fucking functionally illiterate? I suspect I already know the answer, but I just thought I would ask.”
That’s right rm6046, when you are loosing the argument, go off tangent and criticize something irrelevant to the arguement. OH and use the F-word. GOOD JOB THERE idiot! No I do not type that well. GET OVER IT! You understood clearly what I was posting, but you can’t read very well.
Just one. Thank you for doing a better job summing up my thoughts than I myself.
The illegal workforce is human crack to our economy.
I have no proof of this opinion but I’m guessing from the demographics of some of our colleges, etc. that “legal” immigrants are taking alot more of the jobs that citizens would covet rather than illegals.
VERY GOOD POST BUSTER!!!
In case you haven’t noticed, AssBestos, I’m not losing the argument; and I did know the answer to the question before I asked it! Thanks!
“that “legal” immigrants are taking alot more of the jobs that citizens would covet rather than illegals.”
SPIN. Like all those illegals are coming across the border to go to college! Are you that dumb? STUDENT VISAS do not allow anyone to work… therefore they are ILLEGAL workers. Additionally there are OH probably 4 orders of magnitude of difference between the Student Visas working and those that just waltx across the border. Remember there are an estimated 1,000,000 coming across the border. I know we do not let in that many Studey Visas. SO your theroy is shite there Mr. KIA.
“California is one that allows non citizens to vote in local elections.”
Not true. I lived in CA and voted there. Had to show my ID and trail showing my citizenship to vote.
No Asbestos you are.You can’t even follow my points.Take a look at immigrants that are Doctors, Engineers, in the High tech industry (read as Indian (from India because I’m sure you are so stupid I need to make it that clear for you) and Asian).These are jobs that would better America’s working poor.Illegal immigrants are working in the farming fields, meat packing plants, slaughter houses, etc.The working poor either wouldn’t do that work or are certainly doing better financially in other jobs.
“Had to show my ID and trail showing my citizenship to vote.”
Had to show your DRIVERS LICENSE. ALl those illegals don’t have licenses? ALl those illegals do not have falseified Drivers LIcenses?
That is the point, it they have a fake one or a fraudulently gained drivers license, THEY CAN VOTE! Nobody is checking these things.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH ILLEGAL IMMIEGATION. YOU JUST MADE MY POINT AND THOSE THAT OPPOSE AMNESTY FOR THESE ILLEGAL PUKES!!!!!!
While obviously not the most erudite contributor, I think ASBESTOS has a good point. His numbers are suspect, but illustrate how a lot of Americans feel.Lately, I’m feeling a little overwhelmed by foriegners myself.
WHAT are ya trying to say here Mr. KIA. I know english, but yur points are lost. Please repost using proper english. Immigrants are those that hare here LEGALLY. The Doctors, and Engineers can get LOADS of 1-b visas,… legally! The government hands those out by the bushel. You do not know what you are talking about…. again. The Congress passed a law in the Previous adminsitration that did expand the 1-b visas in order to make up for a “shortfall in high tech” capabilities. THOSE ARE jobs AMERICANS will do, but the COrporates don’t want to pay Americans. And Again IMIGRANTS are LEGAL. DUH!!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD!!! DUHH!!
YA GOT THAT!
“Take a look at immigrants that are Doctors, Engineers, in the High tech industry (read as Indian (from India because I’m sure you are so stupid I need to make it that clear for you) and Asian).These are jobs that would better America’s working poor.Illegal immigrants are working in the farming fields, meat packing plants, slaughter houses, etc.The working poor either wouldn’t do that work or are certainly doing better financially in other jobs.”
As for the jobs that would help Americas poor, they still have to be an engineer, doctor, etc. DUH!!! I don’t want someone poor in America to be given a Physicians License to keep an illegal alien out of it. THat is what you are saying in your thread post here.
Are you part of the team that screams conservatives are just coming up with scare tactics regarding terrorism?Because the idea of illegals voting is one in the same.I’ve stated in an area that is 45% hispanic, roughly 20% are of some kind of immigrant status. That leaves 25% who are citizens or eligible to vote. Only 8% of those are even registered.Hispanics are at this time not a factor in elections on a national or state level.
AssBestos: Did you wake up under the wrong side of the rock this morning? Read the second half of Ben’s statement …. “a trail of his citizenship”.
The very sad thing is that illegals are counted in the census and given representation in Congress. If the US only counted citizens it would eliminate about 20 seats in the House. Only citizens should be counted for congressional districts.
Well then what is your problem with illegals?That they are illegals? (My argument is illegals aliens are a result of a problem not the cause).That they are taking jobs that someone else would do (I’ll argue they are not)?Or is it they are Mexicans?
The use of melting pot is misleading, it is more like a tossed sallad, the parts still maintain and hold their cultural identity, and assimilation isn’t their main endeavor.
Mr. KIA: You hit it. Assbestos is an Anti-Hispanic racist … plain and simple. I’m just waiting for him to start on the Jews, and it will confirm my suspisions that he is Ian Santiago trolling.
“Are you part of the team that screams conservatives are just coming up with scare tactics regarding terrorism?”
Are you a dipshit that wants open borders and let the terrorists and everybody else in?
“I’ve stated in an area that is 45% hispanic, roughly 20% are of some kind of immigrant status. That leaves 25% who are citizens or eligible to vote. Only 8% of those are even registered.”
I DO NOT CARE about your little area. I am talking about the ENTIRE COUNTRY. IT is overrun with these illegal pukes. The reason that the Dems and Repubs. are trying to give them Amnesty is to get the 11,000,000 votes this demographic has across the nation.
“Hispanics are at this time not a factor in elections on a national or state level.”
Currently this is true, but the numbers are increasing exponentially. You do understand that concept. As forvoting, they will learn, and will eventually run it. That leaves YOU Mr. Indian, OUT in the cold. The hispanic are ethropocentric as a culture. They aggrandise themselves. Which is funny since they usually come from such screwed up countries!!
“Well then what is your problem with illegals?”
THAT THEY ARE INVITING THEMSELVES HERE AND ARE ILLEGAL
“That they are illegals? (My argument is illegals aliens are a result of a problem not the cause).”
Circular logic there pal. ANd just plain ignorant. OF course illegal aliens is at the heart of illegal immigration. Stopping it at the border would stop the whole thing. End of story.
“That they are taking jobs that someone else would do (I’ll argue they are not)?”
They lower the wages. I worked construction in the 80-90. I made twice what a construction worker makes now. Yes they illegally take jobs and dumb down thw whole process.”Or is it they are Mexicans?”
Or is it you are an a$$hole? I don’t care where they come from, if they are illegally here, they are illegal aliens. THAT is what I hate.
Mexico needs to take care of it’s own, and stop leaning on the US to provide services for their poor.
“Mr. KIA: You hit it. Assbestos is an Anti-Hispanic racist … ”
You lable those that want to uphold laws as a racist? you are a simpleton dolt ther rm6046.
What is wrong with enforcing the law we have instead of creating another one that will get ignored as well????
Ethropocentic ?? Sounds like a word our president made up. And he’s still better than Algore or Kerry.
Ethnoprocentric. That do you you dolt?
Yes, plain and simple, you’re a racist.
The hispanic are ethropocentric as a culture. They aggrandise themselves
This is simply not true. Look at Hispanics versus Asians, Indians and even people from the Middle East. Hispanics would lead the pack are far as assimilation goes.
How about companies quit hiring them? How about some fat ass white trash and whatever elseAmerican born person who thinks they are entitled to something apply’s for the jobs illegals are doing instead? Show me one employer that will say he would rather have an illegal working for him first and they should have their business license taken away.That would certainly slow the flow at the border to a managable one that border patrols, fences whatever else could possibly be effective.
The very sad thing is that illegals are counted in the census and given representation in Congress. If the US only counted citizens it would eliminate about 20 seats in the House. Only citizens should be counted for congressional districts.Posted by: Lanna | December 10, 2006 at 01:11 PM
Lanna the Gov’t will tell you they are not. But I think the number of Hispanics is too great and rising too fast for Hispanics not to be included.
“… fat ass white trash and whatever else American born person who thinks they are entitled to …”
Isn’t that over-the-top racism?
“That would certainly slow the flow at the border to a managable one that border patrols, fences whatever else could possibly be effective.”
Actually shooting them at the border like N Korea and China do. Or any other country (except the US of A) just catches them, puts them in jail, deports them,… and bills them for the ride home.
The problem is they are illegally here. We need a legal migrant worker program. Gotta shut down the borders to defend the country in an age of terror. And we mustn’t let illegals participate in our government by giving them Congressmen/women. That is just crazy.
To counteract the BS some her are spouting:
http://www.wehategringos.com
http://www.numbersusa.com/index
http://www.idexer.com/
http://www.immigrationreform.org/
http://www.deportaliens.com/
NO I’m white. And white people as the majority can not be discrimnated against. (sarcasm – except for the part that I am white).
I agree with you Lana. But who is giving them Congress people? I don’t understand that?We have American Hispanics elected to congress like just about every other nationality. But they are elected by the general population, not illegals.
http://www.wehategringos.com
The reason for the deplorable conditions in Seward and Ford Counties may be attributed to National Beef, http://www.nationalbeef.com/, and their owner, U.S. Premium Beef, http://www.uspremiumbeef.com/ . Their slaughter houses are among the largest in the United States, and, when asked if they hire illegals, their response is “We have never been prosecuted nor have we ever had to pay a fine.”
A majority of the U.S. Premium Beef Board members are from Kansas. They are : Mark Gardiner, Ashland, KS; John Fairleigh, Scott City, KS; Jerry Bohn, Pratt, KS; Doug Laue, Council Grove, KS; Duane Ramsey, Scott City, KS.
These slaughter house owners also have a proxy: The Catholic Diocese of Dodge City, http://www.dcdiocese.org/. In addition to Catholic Bishop Ronald Gilmore, other denominations also participate in the fraud and illegality. They are: Bishop Scott Jones, United Methodist Bishop of the Kansas West Conference; Bishop James Adams, Episcopal Bishop of the Diocese of Western Kansas; Bishop Gerald Mansholt, Lutheran Bishop of the Central States Synod, ELCA; Reverend Dr. Donald Owens, General Presbyter of the Presbytery of Southern Kansas; Dr. Paxton Jones, District Minister for the Central and High Plains Direct of the Christian Church in Kansas, and Rev. Dorothy Nickel Friesen, Western District Conference Minister of the Western District Conference of the Mennonite Church, USA.
There are also other smaller players in Western Kansas who are participating to make us a third world country. They are: Mike Doll, chairman of the board for Irsik & Doll, Al and Evelyn Steimel, Kenneth Doll, Quentin and Mary Jane Doll, John and Charlene Gernon and Elaine Aaron and her husband, Wayne Hemmen, and Loren and Veleeta Doll. It may be that these people are unwitting players in their sympathy for the illegals, simply trusting what their parish priest and the bishop tells them.
That’s the first time I’ve ever been called a liberal on here kansasman.
What say you Ben, JR, Capn, PMom? :-)
Kansasman: I’m conservative, Jewish and have three college degrees. I haven’t been accused of being a liberal in at least 40 years. Thanks, it’s kinda’like being carded at the liquor store. Which also hasn’t happened in at least 40 years!
Mr. K,I was unaware until recently too. Congressional districts are drawn based on population. They vary from 550,000-750,000 people in that area on the day of the census. Illegals are counted too. So when the congressional map is drawn in areas of heavy illegal population, CA for example, gets additional congressional seats. It just isn’t right in a republic.
I see your point Lanna. I live in what will probably be one of those areas of CA again soon.I still don’t see them voting however. All it does is add seats for the existing voter block, which would be wrong too since it is only going to create more of a bureaucratic backlog in congress.
Lanna: You are right…but that is a far cry from “illegals” being registered voters in CA, or anywhere else, for that matter. I’m not attacking you, just trying to sort out some of the rantings and ravings of AssBestos, who is clearly clueless and a racist.
Or just a cluelss racist !?!
http://www.wehategringos.comPosted by: ASBESTOS | December 10, 2006 at 01:36 PM
This is funny. It’s a branch of the Pat Buchanan crew that I have been thrown in with so many times here in the past. And here I am arguing so vehmently against.
First and easiest to do?
Levy a HUGE tax on wire transfers out of the US to Mexico. Make it say 50% of the amount sent.
This would be very easy to implement.
Yeah, Mr. KIA. I always figured you for a closet liberal. :)
…and don’t forget castration for any illegal caught in Kansas.
the Kansas Castration Act
sort of has a ring to it !!!
You know JR I’ve never commented on your proposal.I don’t think it’s a bad idea.I’m not sure it would entirely solve the problem. Illegals could as easily send cash or money orders via snail mail. I would imagine these (cash and MO mailed in) could be intercepted as well by the corrupt Mexican government.I think that’s more of an issue. We need to find a way to hit back at the ruling class of Mexico some how.But my ultimate feeling is the problems start with the opportunity.
The Fonz.Well it’s a funny trolling name at least.
J.R.: What would seem like a “simple solution to a complex problem” isn’t. For starters, to single out Mexico, is probably illegal and unconstitutional. What about the U.S. citizens that live in Mexico, for whatever reason? And anyone with the cash can walk into any bank, anywhere, and buy a cashier’s check or a post office and buy a money order, and drop it in the mail. Or open an account in the Caymans and funnel it through there. Just wouldn’t work, pal, but it wasn’t a terrible idea. The upside, however, is that if they did put it in the mail, God only knows when or if it might get there! But that’s another story … !
BTW, Kansasman, thanks for getting AssBestos out of here. He’s dumber than the rock he crawled out from under this morning.
It’s a start.
“We need to find a way to hit back at the ruling class of Mexico somehow.”
Um start sending their people back home to raise hell about the conditions there? Mexico NEEDS a revolution. But all the revolutionaries are here.
As large a problem as this is and as many people who realize it, I am somewhat amazed that no one has had this idea.
Start with the minutemen or some other established group. Establish a standard for businesses. Stickers and signs that kind of thing. “This shop all American!” status awarded upon proof of not employing illegal aliens.
The employers that do not meet the standard would then be forced to weigh the loss in buiness against the cheap labor.
Once again, J.R., great idea, but…the ACLU lawsuits alone would put you out of business. There wouldn’t be enough hours in the day nor money in the bank to save yourself. And all you would lose is…..everything.
Buster – lots of good points there – especially ENGLISH. Agree 100%. I’m OK with elderly grandparents who might be brought over by the English-speaking kids not speaking English but if you are going to be in the economy you gotta be able to function.
rm – have to disagre with you on Iranians etc etc. The ones who come here do so to get away from the idiocy. I know several from various countries – they ain’t interested in killing you. Now, some of their ‘leaders’ (sic) perhaps … But the guys here are hard workers and just want to live their lives and pursue their dreams.
This website is a must see, especially the video.
http://www.wehategringos.com
“BTW, Kansasman, thanks for getting AssBestos out of here. He’s dumber than the rock he crawled out from under this morning.”
NO I want for a run. 3 miles in 22 min 30 sec. That is 7:30 miles Nto to bad for a 45 yo.
Illegal aliens are quick to demand rights from this country. I wonder when they will demand for HIGHER WAGES in those meatpacking, construction, and gardening jobs. I bet then we’ll see all the exploiter capitalists come over to our side begging and pleading for the government for a militarized border and total deportation. That will happen inevitably, once the big business fucks realize they can’t milk the Mexican cash cow and have no further use for the illegal aliens.
Huh? Mathematically challanged, also. Were you looking for your rock?
I am a Filipino American, and I support total deportation.
Boo ya!
rm6046 doesn’t know shit from shinola.
rm6046 is an alien sympathizer.
We know how to turn his cellphone microphone on. Ha Ha ha
Foxy: I doubt you can remember how to turn your vibrator on.
Anyone happen to catch the news a couple weeks ago about the Salvation Army having to hire dozens of interpreters, because they are swamped with non-English speaking people who want assistance?
And, the interpreters needed were Spanish.
Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.
Poor little rm6046. He’s a legend in his own mind.
Took a look at the wehategringos.com site. Racism isn’t one-sided. Discrimination based on race is always wrong, all the time, IRREGARDLESS OF SKIN COLOR. The disgusting garbage promoted by these racist imbeciles of the “reconquista movement” is no different than the kind of garbage the neo-Nazis put out there. For the record, any of these jokers try to run me or my family or my friends and neighbors from OUR LAND, remember that Americans loyal to their country have enough bullets to accomodate you, no matter how much your population grows.
Isn’t THAT what the Salvation Army is supposed to do? Help people help themselves? Or is it help everybody except Mexicans?
Another stupid question from rm6046.
If anyone called rm6046 a wit, they’d only be half right.
rm6046,Why do you support felons?
As opposed to “No answers” from Foxy? There are no stupid questions, only people too god damned dumb to answer them.
Are you saying that “All Mexicans are felons”?
Oooh!! It looks as if rm6046 has his little pencil out and is ready to write.
Someone mentioned that illegal aliens should never be eligible to vote because they are here illegally. This is true because all aliens here illegally have committed a felony by not going through INS. Now it is common knowledge that all felons are deprived of their right to vote. It is only in the interests of justice that all illegal aliens NEVER attain that right either.
In other words, all American felons are stripped of the right to vote.
1)It is a felony offense to enter the United States illegally.
2)All illegal aliens (regardless of whether they come from Mexico) who entered into the United States illegally have committed a FELONY by doing so.
3)Therefore, since illegal aliens are FELONS, they should be treated like FELONS and be stripped of their voting rights. You know, kinda like what we do to AMERICAN FELONS.
I agree with you, one hundred percent. I just can’t comprehend why all of this anger is diected toward people of Hispanic origin. What about the fact that this country “belonged” to the Native Americans. Columbus didn’t “discover” a damned thing. Except for the Native Americans, we are ALL “illegal aliens”, or whatever term you want to use.
Although I agree with most everything you say CrusaderX, I have to point out that it is not a felony to enter the U.S. illegally. HR4437 is the bill the House passed that sought to make it a felony.
rm6046 can’t help himself. His mother dropped him on his head when he was a baby.
Which would clearly explain why I have a doctoral degree, Foxy, and you have a…a…a…?
Oh, yeah, I remember..a vibrator that won’t turn on.
Will Rogers said, “It’s not so much that people don’t know. It’s that they know so much that ain’t so.”
rm,Probably because most of the illegal aliens come from Mexico. (a whopping 65% actually) While I agree that all Hispanics should not be targetted, I think that Americans have every right to be pissed off about the grave injustices permitted by our government’s complacency on the border issue. It doesn’t help when some of these illegal Mexicans go about spouting racial hatred towards white Americans. That’s like pouring oil on an open flame. Many of these reconquista racists think of white people in stereotypical terms. (That they are docile, easily intimidated, etc.) They are making a huge mistake in underestimating white people.
Again, I agree. And I’m just as pissed off as you are at the government’s complacency on the border issue. I just don’t think that stereotypically painting all of the Hispanics by us with a single brush makes any more sense that some Hispanics stereotypically painting us the same way. That’s all I’m saying.
To Asbestos
“The hispanic are ethropocentric as a culture. They aggrandise themselves.”
I looked up the word ethropocentric and could not find it.I think you were trying to say -
“The hispanic are egocentric as a culture. They aggrandize themselves.”
Wiseman: He doesn’t even know what he was trying to say. Don’t waste your time trying to figure it out! He just makes it up as he goes along.
Be nice to the Hispanic the next time you hear them talking bad about white Europeans and remind them that they are Europeans too…as in Spaniards from Spain.
I THINK he meant ethnocentric. And the charge is not without merit.
Liberals are the most ethnocentric group I know.
“I just don’t think that stereotypically painting all of the Hispanics by us with a single brush makes any more sense that some Hispanics stereotypically painting us the same way.”
I am not painting the hispanics with the same broad brush and you know that. Your response is that those that do not like illegals do not like hispanics. That is not the case and YOU KNOW IT you dumb a$$!!! JUST THE ONE THAT COME HERE ILLEGALLY are the ones detested!!! You are the one showing equivalency between hispanic +illegal alien. I am not however saying that, I do not make that distinction. It is not about race. It is about illegally coming into this country. That and those is what I hate.
HOD MANY DAMN TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TELL YOU rm6046, What are you stupid? Hispanic citizens and legal immigrants I have no, and zzero problem with, the illegals however whatever their stripe of culture, NO I HATE THEM AND THEY NEED TO GO BACK HOME AND PAY FOR ALL THE TROUBLE THEY CAUSED.
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YOu did it again here equating Hispanics to illegals. That is not what we are saying:
” rm6046,Why do you support felons?
Posted by: CrusaderX | December 10, 2006 at 04:17 PM
Are you saying that “All Mexicans are felons”?
Posted by: rm6046 | December 10, 2006 at 04:19 PM”
Your “Debating skill rm is misquotine the argument. There is no intelligence in that, only deception. You suck at this. If you have a “doctoral degree” you probably got it out of a craker jack bok. That is what you are a “Cracker Jack Phd. intellectualist”, and you are truley worthy of the title.
what a dumba$$ you are. IQ of 60.
All hispanics are not felons, but illegal aliens are felons,… and should have no right to vote for a.) being a felon, and b.) they are not citizens and cannot participate in our political system. Mexico will not allow citizens from other countries to participate in their elections of political process. Fair is Fair.
This has gotten ridiculous. No one has advocated allowing illegal aliens to vote.
Coming into this country illegally does not, of itself, make anyone a felon you bunch of dumb shits.
Furthermore, the only people that can vote in a bonafide election anywhere in the United States are U.S. Citizens. That’s it. Period!
Yay! Kansas needs some more color!
You are a neanderthal rm6046. Get the hell off this blog and get a life you worm.
I challenge you to find a single inference by me that any non-citizen should be afforded the right to vote…anywhere, any place, anytime. You are simply throwing up a smoke and mirrors argument because you have no facts at all. Perhaps because of your education and experience, or the lack of both, you think that you can rant and rave and intimidate people into your mind set. I don’t know. You and Bob Knight would make a real duo. As I have said before, I’m simply saying that you are a bigot and a racist. And if you are comfortable with that, so be it. Just don’t try to cram it down everyone elses’ throats, because we’re not buying it.
We need to pass legislation to make coming into this coutry a felon. That’s what HR4437 attempted to do, but the Senate watered it down and nothing happened. And now Nancy Pisslousy and her ilk are going to give 20 million of them and their jackpot babies amnesty.
I meant to say coming into this country illegally.
Currently, it is not a felony to enter into this country illegally. I repeat. IT IS NOT A FELONY TO ENTER INTO THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.
I don’t know what Nancy Pelosi will do, or try to do. I’m sure, though, whatever it is, it will be an absolute cluster fuck, accomplishing nothing except to make any bad situation even worse.
They won’t be illegal next year. We will give them amnesty. A 20+million lot of new citizens = a massive voting constituent. This will solidfy Democrat control in Hispanic heave areas. It will be a windfall for the Democrats and they will have control forever. They welcome it! It’s a good thing for people.
AssBestos is the one that keeps calling it a felony, not me. Several people have tried this afternoon to explain that to him, but he doesn’t seem to care about the facts, his mind is made up. I support legislation making it a felony.
The last Civil War will seem like child’s play.
I doubt it Red Zone. We’ve had massive influx of immigrants in the past that were considered undesirable by the elites and leftist of our country before. Although a lot of hate speech was projected to them, it didn’t cause a civil war. What happened is that by the second generation, they were already intergreted as the norm in our society. The Hispanic culture will be the same.
I do not support amnesty for illegals. However, it would not make them citizens nor give them the right to vote.
http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/amnesty.html
MR KIA
From your link! “The first United States amnesty was in 1986, and it allowed millions of illegal immigrants to receive a Green Card which could then lead to U.S. citizenship in later years”
Amnesty doesn’t give them automatic citizenship, but it gives them a path to it.
Fair enough Joe.The 1986 amnesty was a travesty. Basically in 20 years all those illegals have been replaced by new one’s.I know you aren’t advocating amnesty and neither am I.Unless we call our representatives with something other than mass deportation (such as a guest worker program) this is going to be our result.I don’t however buy that Hispanics who would become citizens are going to fall right into line with the Democratic party. I know many conservative hispanics. This could defnitely blow up in Democrats faces if they think the Hispanic vote is the key to its future.
Sorry Joe. They won’t assimilate because we have already created a separate class for them.
Maybe the first time entering the United States Illegally is NOT a felony. However, after a deportation hearing, the second entry IS a violation of a federal judge’s order and is most definately,.. A FELONY!
Most of the illegals that are deported just head right back. OK be nice to them on theri first trip, but the second, no quarter.
If this is not stopped by the Government, I think we will have people with high power rifles, taking our illegals as they cross over into US soil. It may not be leagl, or moral, but it will happen. People are really sick of this plague.
This is the only country on Earth that thinks it’s not sporting to consider our own interests in choosing immigrants. Try showing up in any other country on the planet, illiterate and penniless, and announcing: “I’ve seen pictures of your country and it looks great. I think I’d like to live here! Oh, and by the way, would you mind changing all your government and business phone messages, street signs and ballots into my native language? Thanks!” They would laugh you out of the country.What seems not to have occurred to the “NO HUMAN BEING IS ILLEGAL” crowd is that this is a country, not a public park.There are more than 6 billion people in the world, many of whom apparently like the idea of living in the wealthiest democracy on Earth. But if the billions of people of the world did live here, it wouldn’t be “here” anymore. America is special for a reason that must transcend the right to vote – or everyone would be trying to immigrate to Iraq right now.America has a seller’s market in immigration, but thanks to Teddy Kennedy’s 1965 immigration law, we no longer favor skilled workers from developed nations, but instead favor unskilled immigrants from the Third World. Kennedy’s bill promptly cut the number of European immigrants in half and increased Third World immigrants to 85 percent of the total.Not surprisingly, post-1965 immigrants have sharply higher levels of poverty and welfare dependence. Europeans may not seem like ideal new immigrants, but the truth is, if what they want is welfare, they’ll stay in France.It’s as if we’ve got the last Xbox 360s available on Christmas Eve and instead of doubling the price, we’re entertaining low-ball offers. Or more accurately, we’re paying our customers to take the darn things off our hands – and the customers are still indignant with us.On CNN’s “Lou Dobbs Tonight” recently, Dobbs was interviewing Nativo Lopez, president of the Mexican-American Political Association about his demand for “full immediate, unconditional legalization for all persons currently in the United States.”Dobbs posed this innocuous question about Lopez’s planned boycott, “You’re talking about a boycott of all illegal aliens in this country?”Lopez exploded: “Well, first off, I refute your terminology. You don’t say ‘kike,’ ‘patty,’ ‘WOP,’ OK. You don’t say “nigger”! … You’re using language that’s offensive to me and offensive to my people! … You pollute the air every day, Dobbs. … That language is offensive, it’s derogatory, it’s denigrating, and don’t use that terminology to me again, referring to my people!”Dobbs eventually ended Lopez’s Tourette’s episode by calmly asking him what he expected the impact of the boycott to be.Later on MSNBC’s “Hardball,” Dave Rodriguez, of the League of United Latin American Citizens, leapt in to denounce Rep. Tom Tancredo for using the word “amnesty.” He said: “There isn’t any such thing as amnesty in this law. I don’t understand what this debate is. That’s your own terminology on it …”Bank robbers and drug dealers ought to start claiming that the words “bank robber” and “drug dealer” are akin to the N-word. They could accuse lawmakers of “criminalizing felonies” and claim they don’t understand what the word “jailbreak” means.At the same time on CNN’s “The Situation Room,” Maria Elena Salinas, an anchor at Univision, was informing Wolf Blitzer that “all Hispanics feel offended by what has been going on, by the rhetoric, the level of the negativity that you hear coming out of Capitol Hill and also on some television stations and by some journalists.”So it’s really more like we’ve got the last Xbox 360s available on Christmas Eve and the customers are not only demanding money to take the hottest sales item off our hands, but are verbally abusing us and acting petulant. I’m offended that you would even think about asking me to pay for the Xbox 360! You say it has a “20 GB detachable hard drive”? Well, would you use the word “kike”?As hardworking as illegal immigrants are when they come here, they are immediately demagogued by liberals into adopting the victimhood pose so popular on college campuses. Everybody wants to act like his ancestors were brought here on slave ships.Consider this e-mail from Michele Waslin, La Raza’s director of Immigration Policy Research, to her members denouncing Sen. Lamar Alexander’s proposal to provide government grants to immigrants who want to learn English and American history and to organizations offering those courses. (I’d be happy with a law that simply trained new immigrants not to be “offended” all the time.)Even though this potentially meant free money for La Raza, Waslin – of the Guadalajara Waslins – ominously warned that while the amendment “doesn’t overtly mention assimilation, it is very strong on the patriotism and traditional American values language in a way which is potentially dangerous to our communities.”Meanwhile, Americans aren’t allowed to consider whether millions of immigrants refusing to learn English and American history is “potentially dangerous to our communities.” Here, please – we’ll pay you, just take the whole Xbox 360 factory.
OK, Joe, so we give them a path. If they choose to take that path, isn’t that “the dream”. If they choose not to take that path, then they are simply common criminals who should be deported and sent to prison, not necessarily in that order. However, I’m sure prison conditions in the US are substantially better than in Mexico, and if they are in a Federale prison in Mexico, we’re not paying for it.
Joe Williams – your comments above were ALMOST accurate. “considered undesirable by the elites and leftist of our country before” I don’t recall it being the “leftist” who opposed immigration. In fact, on this blog, it is the “right” who is accusing the “left” of coddling immigrants.
Given today’s multicultural, diversity-saturated, politically correct atmosphere, it takes more than courage to face the truth.
There’s a difference between emigrating to a country to become part of it and moving there to change the culture.
What will it take for us to admit that? Why don’t we proudly protect the culture of United States and value it?
WELL said RedZone, Well said!
That is one of the best analogies, and the best arguments on illegal immigration. Illegal alies is akin to the N word? I bet African Americans have something to say about that.
Is spick ok?
We cannot go on absorbing legal and illegal immigrants at the current rates. We have a real problem of infrastructure and community cohesion. When will the clergy address this issue? When is their compassion going to become truly thoughtful?
Yes, unless Gloria Allred sees to it that a ‘hate speech’ law is passed.
New Telephone Greeting
Wouldn’t it be pretty doggone wonderful, if this caught on, all over the country…?
“GOOD MORNING, WELCOME TO THE UNITED STATES”
“Press “1″ to speak English.”
“Press “2″ to disconnect until you can.”
No Ben! The right have no problems with immigration and actually they welcome immigration. What they are debating is the legal process of immigration as set forth in the laws of the United States.
The left of our country are the intolerant ones and race baiting the issue as to create more division between the races.
So your aurgument is flawed! It is the legal issue, not the immigrant issue! I was debating that the immigrant issue isn’t the problem and they will intergrate into American society, so long as the leftist punks of our political system keep from tearing them down calling them inferior and victims, like they do to African Americans, then intergration won’t be a problem at all. Leftist are causing the problems of segregation. They want a huge group of victim voters.
Follow the votes!
Well, Joe, I welcome immigrants. I work with many, from all corners of the world. I find them to be fascinating people and they teach me a lot. I do not pull punches – if I believe that a person’s country is doing stupid things I say so. We have many stimulating lunchtime discussions as a result.
I also tend to support Bush’s proposal to provide a “path” to citizenship. I don’t know if that makes me “right” or “left” but I think both Brownback and Bush share that position.
No, Joe, you just blindly want to blame “leftist” for anything and everything. Oh well …
We know all about you Ben.
We believe that your insecurities – “your malignant narcissism, paranoia and defensive aggression” – date from your relationship with your father rather than the mother-child bond. This has shaped all you have done and will do.
Say what?????? LukeDuke, you know nothing.
buster-I prefer:Press 1 for EnglishPress 2 to be deported
Buster – I also like the ‘1 for english 2 after you learn it’ idea. As I said above, my exception to that is the grandparents brought over afterwards.
I had neighbors in LA who were Japanese-American. The guy my age spoke perfect English as well as japanese. His parents very little English; I learned a few phrases so I could show respect to the elders. The kids – barely any Japanese; they sent them to ‘church school’ to learn enough to speak to the grandparents.
Good Americans all in my opinion.
“Well, Joe, I welcome immigrants. I work with many, from all corners of the world. I find them to be fascinating people and they teach me a lot.”
SO you hire or work for a company that hires illegal aliens. Remember we do not let very many people “immigrate” into this country. SO you are probably and statisticaly speaking about illegal aliens.
You pig!
You LIE whoever you are. All legal; just as Joe was referring to.
You LIAR! Whoever you are since you cowardly hide behind a ficticious email address.
If Congress adopts the Bush plan and gives amnesty to illegal aliens, Senate Republicans will be asking President Cheney for a pardon.Bush wants to grant illegal aliens amnesty while sounding like he’s really cracking down on them. It tells you where Americans stand on illegal immigration that Bush has to pull the Democrat trick of hiding from the public what he really believes when it comes to immigration.The “path to citizenship” that Bush and the Senate are trying to pawn off on Americans requires that illegals pay huge fines and back taxes, with “huge” being defined as a $2,000 fine and taxes for three of the last five years. Even with the special “Two Years Tax-Free” package for illegals, this is about as likely as me paying my dad back the money I “borrowed” from him when I was in college.We’re told illegal immigrants are dying to pay taxes if only they can become citizens. Oh, by the way, they also will have a panoply of government benefits available to them if they become citizens – in fact, even if they get green cards. They’re probably unaware of this and are just dying to send half their paychecks to the government just like us shiftless, lazy Americans.Inasmuch as most of these low-skilled immigrant workers are in the 0 percent tax bracket, this should be a real boon for the U.S. Treasury. Indeed, the government may end up paying the illegals money: “Let’s see, Juan. According to our records, you owe us 0 percent for the past three years, and because you qualify for the earned-income tax credit, we actually owe you! Are 20s OK?”The Senate bill also forgives illegal aliens who have committed identity theft by stealing American Social Security numbers to get jobs.So in addition to the Two Years Tax-Free plan for illegals, they get one free felony. Also, illegal immigrants from Mexico qualify for affirmative action, allowing them to get into U.S. colleges with lower grades and scores than Americans.What’s the process for losing your citizenship and becoming an illegal alien?However hardworking illegal immigrants are when they come here, the moment they become citizens, they will be immediately demagogued by Democrats into viewing welfare as a universal human right, just as they now view living in America.Of course illegal immigrants will “work for less.” They don’t have to pay taxes at all now, and under Bush’s plan they will have to pay taxes for only – at most – three of the last five years. Not only that, but illegal aliens don’t require their employers to comply with OSHA regulations, overtime and minimum wage laws, unemployment insurance, disability laws, the Family and Medical Leave Act, a slew of oppressive environmental regulations and 4 million other ways the government has developed to make it extremely expensive to hire legal employees.Instead of creating a separate class of citizens who are immune from oppressive government rules, how about relieving all of us – even us shiftless Americans – from the cost of government?I thought all these trade agreements the free-trade fetishists have pushed on us over the years already allowed corporations to take advantage of cheap labor in other countries – countries that don’t have the panoply of oppressive government regulations that make it so expensive to hire American workers. Doesn’t NAFTA already allow us to buy inexpensive goods made by Mexicans in Mexico?In addition to discriminating against American citizens in favor of illegal immigrants, Bush wants to continue our immigration policy of massively discriminating against immigrants who live farther than walking distance from the United States. America’s immigration laws are applied only to immigrants who are separated from the U.S. by an ocean. But if they live near the border and can run across it, they’re in.Even if one accepts Bush’s theory that we need more immigrants to do the jobs that lazy, shiftless Americans won’t do, isn’t it possible that Korean immigrants, Italian immigrants or Indian immigrants would work hard, too? But they can’t run across the border to America, so they’re out of luck. (Unless you are spokesmen for the Taliban, in which case there’s a seat waiting for you at Yale.)Since when did conservatives start encouraging people to walk more? What are we, a bunch of Al Gores now?
Anyone notice how the overall tone here declined with the massive influx of “aliens” with funny sounding names?
I just want the ones immigrating to this country to want to come here to become American citizens. That means a process, allowing people to work for it.
and companies should not be getting away with shipping in slave labor. This is not about race!
VERY VERY GOOD RedZOne. YOu hit EVERY NAIL on the head. It is funny that congress pats itself on the back by saddling American citizens with more laws, and more taxes, but want to give the illegals a pass. This shit had go to go. Mark my word, it any form of Amnesty passes, some senator or congressman wil most likely be shot. That is where our tone deaf elected officals are steering us. I am not advocating this, nor would I do this, but it is in the cards.
I especially like your take on this:
“Of course illegal immigrants will “work for less.” They don’t have to pay taxes at all now, and under Bush’s plan they will have to pay taxes for only – at most – three of the last five years. Not only that, but illegal aliens don’t require their employers to comply with OSHA regulations, overtime and minimum wage laws, unemployment insurance, disability laws, the Family and Medical Leave Act, a slew of oppressive environmental regulations and 4 million other ways the government has developed to make it extremely expensive to hire legal employees.”
Why do we have to obey laws and those that serially break all these laws are given no punishment and are actually incouraged to do this.
Justification of e,ploying illegal aliens uses the very same argument that those that wanted to keep child labor in the early 1900’s used to justify that partiuclar practice. Yes, they too said that it would have a “drastic effect on our economy”. Here we go again.
When you have to use the economy to look the other way on illegal immigration, compliance with laws, you have a big ethics issue. Additionally, why have any laws at all. It seems as if we have no willingness to enforce the ones we got now, why would we need to pass additional laws to be ignored by non citizen illegal aliens and the putrid screws that hire them.
Those are good questions and I don’t have answers for them.
Civil War is closer than most think.
The dollar is going to collaspe soon. We can only hope that it will collaspe slowly and not, so to speak, overnight.
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OK, I am going to type real slow,so folks like Mr. Asbestos can keep up. If YOU truly want to do something about the southern invasion then boycott and protest against the AMERICAN businesses that are geting fat off of these people. The illegals have been coming into this country for well over 150 years. They are not going to be stopped, because greedy little people exploit them, use them, take advantage of them, and so on and so forth. And they are not going to “go home”. For most of them, this is home. We are just not smart enough to realize it. What I find so very pathetic, Mr Asbestos, is that fine folks such as you will blow and go for weeks on end, months, hell years even, but when it is time to do something (anything) you are just alot of hot air and account for nothing. The only way to stop this invasion is to make it economically un-feasible for American businesses to use the cheap labor provided by these people. Like I said before (and here is where I am going to type very slowly), put up or shut up, fool.
“The illegals have been coming into this country for well over 150 years. ”
Not in the numbers they are/have come in the last 10 years.
If you idiots need to see what is going to happen IF WE DO NOT STOP this immigration flood, this country will end.
go to this link. The information is accurate and correct. YOu are stupid, ignorant and an idiot if you do not understand it. The numbers are STAGGERING!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=%22Roy+Beck%22+immigration&hl=en
BTW, working with a forged or fradulent SSN IS a felony, taking away one’s right to vote.
SOme of you shills on this site are PAID REPRESENTATIVES of the PRO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION GROUPS, I traced YOUR ISP.
LOVELY! JUST GREAT.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16169899/
Swift meat packing plant roundup with multiple identity theft rings to help these pathetic screws have a job, and to heop the pathetic screws hire these desperate screws.
YEAH! This is a GREAT DAY for AMERICAN CITIZENS!
Looks like the illegal alien lovers have lost another one!
Don’t you think that the Kansas Meatpackers are NEXT!??!
LOVE IT!
Or how about the problems that the illegal aliens are causing by having babies and not paying for them in New Orleans. “But they are just trying to make a living”, What stupid shite!
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2006/12/katrina_begets.php