These guys were not paid double the minimum wages in these states, nor were most of them receiving full health benefits. That is a LIE there Wall Street Journal!

How come the illegal alien screws also get a pass on this as well? No “equal rights” if you are an American Citizen????

Please behave yourself and spare me your nonsensical hysterics!

V.L.R.B!!

You can BET that is being watched and documented quite throughly. The “Catch and release” seems to still apply to criminal mothers and criminal mothers to be.

Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!

Me too! Any other criminal committing crimes is not released for “humane reasons” either. That would let a lot of people out of prison and incarceration if we had to let them go because they are pregnant or have kids.

ANother example of how illegal immigratin waters down ALL our laws to ACCOMIDATE THEES FARQING ILLEGAL ALIENS!!! HOw is that NOT a violation of due process and REVERSE DISCRIMINATION???

Gotta wonder how many of those released are on their way to new jobs elsewhere and under a new name.

As to due process, all illegal aliens are given an administrative hearing which boils down to the simple process of if they can proof legal status to be in this country they can stay. Period! In fact this is such a speedy process that many are dropped at the boarder and back in the country within hours! Once enough are processed to fill the buses and driven back to the boarder. A INS agent once told me the story of having rode from the Northern U.S. to Brownsville Tx. on a bus picking up illegal aliens along the way that were being deported. Once he watched them walk across the boarder into Mexico he boarded a plane as he had to be back in Washington D.C. in the morning.

Flying commercial and being armed the fly crew knew he was an INS agent. He was approached an hour into the flight by a stewardess. They had a problem understanding two passenger flying in first class and wondered if he could translate for them. He agreed and walk into first class and immediate recognized the two as being on the bus and a part of the group he had just watched walk across the boarder!

It still bewilders me that the President of Mexico is so complacent and actually upset that the U.S. would strengthen it boarders against his people coming here. True that many send U.S. dollars back to Mexico to support relatives there. But to me it is the same logic as Boeing farming out work and agreeing to have work done in foreign countries they do business with. The time comes when there is no real stock in your company and no reason for anyone to do any business with you.

If my house is falling down I can not just force myself into my neighbor’s home. I either have to fix the house or build a new one. And I can not just run my neighbor out to do that either.

Myth #2) If we actually got rid of the illegal aliens who are here, the economy would take a major hit: I don’t buy that for a second. First off, while illegals make up 3-4% of the work force, the unemployment rate is currently 5.7%. So for every job currently held by an illegal alien, there is an out of work American who can fill it. Now some people will tell you that Americans “won’t do those jobs,” or that rising wages in those positions would cause huge price increases, but as Mark Krikorian points out…

“If the supply of foreign workers were to dry up (say, through actually enforcing the immigration law, for starters), employers would respond to this new, tighter, labor market in two ways. One, they would offer higher wages, increased benefits, and improved working conditions, so as to recruit and retain people from the remaining pool of workers. At the same time, the same employers would look for ways to eliminate some of the jobs they now are having trouble filling. The result would be a new equilibrium, with blue-collar workers making somewhat better money, but each one of those workers being more productive.

Many people fear the first part of such a response, claiming that prices for fruits and vegetables would skyrocket, fueling inflation. But since all unskilled labor — from Americans and foreigners, in all industries — accounts for such a small part of our economy, perhaps four percent of GDP, we can tighten the labor market without any fear of sparking meaningful inflation. Agricultural economist Philip Martin has pointed out that labor accounts for only about ten percent of the retail price of a head of lettuce, for instance, so even doubling the wages of pickers would have little noticeable effect on consumers.”

Even if you didn’t buy into what Krikorian is saying despite the fact that it’s little more than economics 101 in action, we could always implement the “guest worker program” in Bush’s reform and bring workers in legally. One way or the other, we can fill those positions.

On top of that, you have to consider how much money we spend dealing with crimes committed by illegals, educating kids who shouldn’t be in America to begin with, health care bills for non-citizens, and government assistance that goes to a staggering 25% of all illegal aliens.

In any case, claiming that cracking down on illegals would hurt the economy just doesn’t hold water.

Absolutely FALSE. The Border Patrol estimates anywhere between 750,000 and 1,200,000 come in illegally a year from just the southern border. With an estimated 12,000,000 that has grown over 10 years, well the math shows that you have no clue what you are talking about. The numbers do not add up.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++”So if we had a conditional amnesty program coupled with a tough law on employment and full verification of all worker’s legal status, we could lick this problem.”

Supposed to happen now. These employers KNOW they are not to hire someone with a bad SSN, let alone like Swift, give them one. The employers don’t want to find out. They can easily by running the numbers to SS Admin. That is a no go. We already have a tough law. The border fence guys found that out, IFco found that out, and so did Swift.

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“What I would like to see myself is a program that would grant “conditional probationary residency” for 4 years and during that time the immigrant would be required to learn English, stay employed, pay any taxes owed and stay out of any trouble with the police.”

They already broke 4 laws: 1) illegal entry, 2) working without a visa, 3) using a false or fradulent SSN to gain employment, 4) fradulently or falsely acquiring a SSN or stealing someone’s SSN in Idnetity theft.

2 of those are felonies with the SSN thing.

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“After that 4 years the immigrant would be granted Permanent Residency and could stay in the country for life.”

NEGATIVE, we do not give multiple law breakers residency OR citizenship! They started off “dirty” can’t get clean from crap. DEPORTATION is the penality on the books for entering this country illegally. MOST of the other countries have this too Japan as well as others. Most SHOOT you like China.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Bad terrible ideas Kev, terrible.

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Sorry Ben, but the Military Service members have a “path to citizenship” already.

I just do not think we can “reward” these folks in any way. It will just encourage more illegal immigration.

Why is that so hard to understand. And please do not start with the myths about the economy, price fo fruit, and difficulty in securing the borders, or deporting these folks.

BEFORE ANY consideration, SECURE THE BORDER, SECURE THE BORDER, SECURE THE BORDER!

Then we will not have to worry about the rest.

Being a good citizen is critical – language, work, taxes, keeping ’straight’, etc. I think you have good ideas on this.

The funny thing here has been the number of posters decrying this as some sort of left-wing idea. The WSJ is hardly left.

The funny thing here has been the number of posters decrying this as some sort of left-wing idea. The WSJ is hardly left.