Douglas Brinkley, director of the Roosevelt Center at Tulane University, cautions historians against rushing to declare President Bush the worst president ever. But, he argues, “it’s safe to bet that Bush will be forever handcuffed to the bottom rungs of the presidential ladder. The reason: Iraq.”
Meanwhile, Michael Lind of the New America Foundation wrote that Bush is only the fifth worst president. “In the White House Hall of Shame,” he wrote, “Bush comes behind four other Oval Officers whose policies were even more disastrous: James Buchanan (in photo), Andrew Johnson, Richard M. Nixon and James Madison.”
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Yes but how many lied to the American People? Ok then how many took this country to a ill thought out war? Ok Then how many Profited from taking this country to a ill thought out war? Ok….Ok get a rope!
>Yes but how many lied>to the American People?>Ok then how many took>this country to a ill>thought out war?
You’re right, which surprises me as to why JFK and LBJ aren’t in their for their quagmire in Vietnam in which over 58,000 Americans died for nothing.
He forgot Jimmah Carter. By far the worst president this country has ever had. Clinton should be on there too. Most of the public just hasn’t realized the long term damage Clinton did to this country.
He still has two more years to take the title. I have faith in him!
Bush may have been wrong, but the charge that he lied is stupid. At least it’s been proven that the Lib’s biggest liar (Clinton) actually lied under oath.
“Bill” and “Rosalyn” are clearly too occupied breathing trough their mouths and listening to talk radio to think clearly.
bush is unmistakably the worst President in history. He may well likely be the most hated man on the planet.
I think Nixon is looking up from hell in appreciation to GW Bush for restoring his name and place in history.
I would definitely add the other Texan to the list. I would also delete Nixon; he was definitely less bad than either LBJ or Bush 2.
I guess even the Shrub is bound to be good at something!
With 2 more years to go, we know he has the ability to move up, at our expense, of course!
Worst presidents in recent history? Easily Carter and H.W. Bush.
I did not write that! Augh.
As for those thinking Clinton will go down as worst president, LOL, he’s rated one of the best. How very fitting for a group who tried so hard to bring him down for stupid reasons.
People won’t forget for awhile how good they had it under Clinton, that is the bottom line.
A great line:”OK, the president’s a liar. But he’s not as clueless as he looks.”
From this article:http://www.slate.com/id/2154855/?nav=tap3
It really only makes sense to include Presidents since the turn of the last century. Before then, the US was a negligible force in the world and the US itself not completely formed.
The worst presidents in history.
1. George W bush
2. Herbert Hoover
3. Ronald Reagan
[having a good laugh at the lib bloggers]
I remember when democrats all said the same stuff about Reagan: worst president ever, liar, horrible communicator, “Nancy really runs the place,” senile…
Now, he’s revered as one of the greatest.
Doesn’t something seem very dis-ingenuine by the recent memo leaks?
JR, while I agree that Ronald Reagan was not a good president, unfortunately the world doesn’t see it that way. And why do you have Hoover in there?
Reagan had the worst class warfare, till now.
“class warfare”
That’s just another term for “the poor aren’t getting enough free stuff.”
What’s different about someone who succeeds in life vs. someone destined to continually struggle? Two words: “Earn It”
Winners aren’t afraid to go out and earn it. They refuse government handouts. They scoff at the idea that “the world is just against me.” They EARN it.
Those that perpetually demand that the government do more for them (read: hand out more freebies) will continue to wallow in the mire of poverty and low-income until they realize (if ever) that our government isn’t Santa Claus.
I would suggest replacing Nixon (however much a crook, he did many things of a positive nature, IMHO, in the arena of foreign policy, e.g., opening relations with China) with the inestimable Warren G. Harding; or, has Teapot Dome ceased to be a scandal these days?
Reagan is truly a legend in the conservatives’ mind.
To everybody else, he mired the country into debt, fought and illegal and immoral war against the really threatening (sarcasm) Nicaragua and then lied his ass off about it, continually funded Star Wars which meant that kids in schools went hungry while the world’s biggest corporations got gov’t welfare.
Other than that, Reagan was great.
And btw, when Reagan left office is was not as popular as Bill Clinton when he left office.
Having lived through Nixon though, I think GW is way worse than Nixon. Nixon just had the bad luck of almost getting impeached. He wasn’t likeable but he was smart, unlike the current resident of the White House, who is neither likeable nor smart.
Sorry about the above gibberish.
Someday the WEBlog will have an edit feature . . . until then, do what you do with Bush–read what I meant to say, not what I said.
Naw, just a lot more loudmouths these days that blog 24/7 expressing their naive opinions.
All the other Presidents “gauged” didn’t have the Internet filling small minds with goobered up information.
Just today, listening to Senator Levin Democrat, paraphrased, “He states that the U.S. failed to gather the Iraqi Army and re-organized them.”He failed to mention the fact, that the Army had dumped their uniforms, identification and basically went underground.
Probably the worst thing that happened to Bush the younger is when General Tommy Franks retired. The new list of Generals appear to be totally incompetent, allowing much buffoonry(prison abu grav) and huge mistakes(allowing stockpiles of weapons to go unguarded or destroyed.)
These weren’t field Generals, these were/are “suits with no plan,” and their efforts show it. There are many Westmoreland clones out there feeding the Pentagon half-baked information and the innovation of a lump of clay.
Misinformation by committee describes best the leadership that are in Iraq.
Introduction of Maliki as Prime Minister, a Shiite loyalist whose vision doesn’t go past the gates of the Green Zone is another huge mistake. He is the Jimmy Carter of the Iraqi people; spineless, clueless and with incredibly stupid plans.
So, here’s a President that was given false information from a broken, inherited CIA and blamed for it.
Here’s a President that had or has Generals that consistently kept giving him ‘boy scout’ information of what was actually going on, instead of giving him the frank and honest truth.
Here’s a President who couldn’t get the support of the world, because a large portion of that “World” had their hands dirty in Iraq getting rich from the “Oil for Food” money.
Here’s a President who has had to deal with one of most hostile Press Corp in the history of any country. Leaking secrets, making political statements instead of reporting the facts; concentrating on any ‘bad’ fact regardless who controlled the situation locally as President Bush’s fault…when in fact they lied to their President and generally became talking heads or press for the terrorists giving them more credibility than their own country.
So, not hardly…
JM- Just what , if anything, is this clown responsible for?How many fingers are he ,and you, going to point in order to avoid the obvious conclusions?
JM – ask Franks why he left. I think it had something to do with Bush not wanting to hear the truth.
The press corps cannot leak secrets; they receive them from administration members who are the leakers.
A comment in defense of Nixon. He INHERITED Vietnam from LBJ who inherited it from JFK. Of course, in many ways JFK inherited it from Nixon back in 1960. JFK escalated it; LBJ exploded it.
Goofytesticles, once again, you paint those in poverty or ‘poor’ as being lazy, non-productive, stupid, and living off the government. If you say it long enough maybe it’ll come true!
Next time you eat at a fast food restaurant, lay your head in a motel room, check you out at the grocery store, take your money when you fill your gas tank- take a look around and see how many of the employees are just standing around being lazy. Then you tell them to their face they’re not working hard enough to earn a living wage.
LOOK AROUND YOU MAN. Most of the people you run into every day to make your life more pleasant ARE the working poor. How about you offer one of them a job in that fantastic company of yours that you claim to own? Nevermind, I bet they’d make more in their current jobs.
Pee,I’m wondering if you have ADD or some other infliction that doesn’t allow you to read. Do you? Are you autistic?
Nowhere in my post did I say anyone was lazy. In fact, would you please post where I said anyone was lazy, non-productive or stupid. Please?
[This is the kind of stuff that keeps ultra-liberals from being successful - they spend too much time and effort chasing phantoms]
As opposed to denying reality.
What is the opposite of ‘earning it’?
If one does not earn something, then what is it called?
If I said you were one without intelligence- I guess I wouldn’t technically be calling you stupid, but you get the gist, right? The meaning is exactly the same.
Don’t play this stupid shit with me.
Perfect example: I EARN my healthcare. I pay for it. I take whatever money out of my family budget every month and PAY for it.
You want someone else to give it to you.
The end.
If one does not earn something, then what is it called?
It’s called inheritance what 67% of the rich did to get their money. Just plopped outta the old womb never working a day in their lives. Then bitching about paying taxes.
.morg,
Indeed. I believe they call it “the death tax.”
KSGolfnut,
That’s a fine theology you’ve been pushing here on the WeBlog today. Too bad it has nothing to do with much of anything.
You’re rich: goody for you. Doesn’t make you a better person, as your posts clearly demonstrate. It doesn’t reflect anything more than that you have more money. So, goody for you.
But spare us the moral superiority: that’s something you demonstrably lack.
We can thank the three previous presidents for the war in which we find ourselves now. Carter, Bush senior, and Clinton all had opportunities to do something about the problems with the Middle East and terrorism but they were too busy trying to redistribute everyone else’s money.
Reagan took care of Wacky Kdaffy (Libya). He was such a Cowboy that the Iranians freed the hostages that they had been holding for over a year. He kept the pressure on the Soviets until things began to fall apart on them.After Reagan things began to fall apart. Why some might ask? Because the rest of the world knew that Bush Sr. did not have that “fire in the belly” Reagan had for the US, and that the Slickmiester wouldn’t actually DO anything to them. He spent 8 years in office not doing anything, except interns and supporters (i.e.. Monica and Kathleen Willy).No matter how you try to dress it up a pig is still a pig. You can rewrite all the history you want, but the fact is Libya was subdued and the Iron Wall came crashing down during Reagan’s presidency. Call it coincidence, call it fate, call it kismet but those are the facts.Those who can not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. We’ve already had a repeat of Dec. 7th on 9/11/2001, are we going to have to repeat other atrocities before we finally get the idea that these people are out to KILL us. All of us, every man, woman and child, and they don’t care how. You want to obsess about something. Don’t worry about global warming, worry about dirty bombs, and nuclear holocausts. That’s where we’re headed. If we don’t stop them now we won’t live to see the effects of global warming and you can take that to the bank.
Oh boy somone let sean out again. Back under your bed chickenlittle!
What is clear to me about goofballnuts is that he is living off his wife. SO he has not much room to judge the work of others.
Aside from the fat tax cut bush got for goofball’s wife and JM, there is not one thing bush has done, nothing. Getting the rich richer in America is NOT a positive accomplishment.
What makes what you do so much more important than what I do- or anyone else for that matter? What makes you more deserving of healthcare merely because you make more money and can afford it?
National healthcare is NOT a handout- it is everyone putting into the pot for everyone else. I would put in, you would put in. The same thing that insurance companies do. Right now you pay DOUBLE. You’re paying for your own healthcare, everyone else who buys health insurance through your company, and you’re paying taxes for other healthcare. So actually you’re paying triple.
Have you ever once helped save someone’s life? I seriously doubt it. But I have many times over. So tell me again, how YOU are more deserving of healthcare over me?
CF,I’m not rich. I didn’t inherit one cent from my parents, grandparents or other. I don’t just HAVE money. I’ve EARNED it. I’ve earned everything I have. I started my first business when I was about 10 – mowing lawns. I advertised, I calculated costs, I planned…
I’m really no different than any of you, EXCEPT I don’t want the goverment taking my income and giving it to those that don’t earn it.
PeeMom,You make your own choices – i.e. cigarettes over health insurance.
Your choice.
Sean – Reagan did such wonderful things as supply weapons to Saddam, help the Taliban take power in Afghanistan, and supported terrorism in Central America. As for the hostages in Iran don’t forget his little arms deal to pay ransom for them.
Then, in Lebanon he places US troops there in support of Israel’s occupation; that led to bombings of their military base and our embassy.
Yea, Reagan was just great.
In major-power issues reagan did a good job. In aprticular, at just the right moment he extended a hand to Russia to help them make a ’soft landing’ when their empire imploded. Unfortunately, he was ill-prepared to deal with the post-Soviet world.
“I’m no different than any of you.”
Oh yeah you are.
I don’t know many posters that would bully a woman with an autistic kid.
Your inflated sense of self no doubt masks a deeper sense of worthlessness.
pmom-National Health Care IS a hand out.If you want Health Insurance, go but it.
seanmahair,
You’re an idiot. Ever heard of Beirut? 300 Marines died there during the Reagan Administration, there you.
Ever heard of the mujahadeen? Those were the Afghani fighters we financed and supported during the Soviet occupation of the 1980’s, during which Reagan was President. The folks we trained went on to become Al Qaeda and the Taliban.
You’re a moron, seanmahair. Go back to your parents’ basement, where you can eat Cheetos, watch porn, and jerk off. You’re in over your head in the present conversation.
KSGolfnut
“I don’t want the government taking my income and giving it to those who don’t earn it.”
I agree: I don’t want my income redistributed to Halliburton, Kellog, Brown and Root, Bechtel, and any one of a number of recipients of no-bid Federal contracts.
If Reagan had not rolled back CAFE fuel mpg standards in 1985 (to benefit Ford and GM) we wouldn’t have needed so much oil from the Persian Gulf.
Then the first Gulf war probably wouldn’t have happened — and 9/11 and the current Iraq war wouldn’t have happened.
Ranking the presidents should include how much negative impact they’ve caused, in the U.S., and worldwide.
Destabilizing the M-E region is bad — but the impacts of global warming will probably be much, much worse.
Right now, the top 20% of wage earners in the US pay 80% of the federal income taxes, and the top 50% of all wage earners pay 97% of the federal income taxes.
So those of us in the upper 50% (anyone making about $45k or higher) would be paying for our healthcare plus for the bottom 50%. We’d be paying double.
PLUS, add the fact that the upper income earners are generally healthier and require less medical care (i.e. the lower 50% consumes 90% of the cigarettes).
To quote PeeMom: “National healthcare is NOT a handout- it is everyone putting into the pot for everyone else”
Pee – have you ever read the Communist Manifesto?
Fleets enema, you’re a moron just like Goofy testicles. Millions of Americans either can’t afford health insurance, or work at places that do not offer it. It’ll affect you someday soon, just wait. The fewer that can afford it, the more YOU will be paying for the insurance you have.
Maybe then you’ll want poor people to start adding to that pot as well.
Golfnut,The richest 1% own 58& of all assets in the USA so they will pay the majority of personal taxes duh. Why is it you guys insist on a flat tax for everyone when ownership is so skewed.
Add to that direct access to the government for the rich. Tax codes written specifically for the rich.
Class warfare it’s what’s for dinner.
pmom-Don’t be a name caller. If you work at a place that does not offer health care, and you want it, why don’t you go work at a place that offers it? Why, then, did you take the job in the first place? It’s not my job to give you health care because you have made some poor choices. Poor people can’t add to the pot, due to poor choices and lifestyle they barely have a pot to pmom in.I know, I’ve been there. Dead flat, F’ing broke.
When will National Life Insurance be available? How about National Auto Insurance? Why should I have to pay for those myself?
LOL interesting how whenever we discuss national healthcare, the rich cry ‘communism’. But all the developed nations in the world have national healthcare. They’re not communists either. That argument is lame. “the rich should only get to live, be educated, and use the roads, and be protected by government”.
Why Bush even advocates for national healthcare in Iraq!Funny how he’s instilling communism there huh?
How ’bout National Renters Insurance, too.
And why the hell do I have to keep buying my own groceries!?
When this country was founded, there was this controversial proposal to ALLOW representatives to be elected without regard to wealth or property holdings. It won the day, but not without opposition from those who regarded wealth as a reliable barometer of the person’s actual human worth. The poorest among us were, obviously, the African slaves, who received no income at all, but were generously accorded 3/5 personhood in our Constitution anyway.
We are continuing to hear echoes from that era.
The slaves did get room and board. That’s not nothin’.
What the hell does any of this have to do with the “worst President” issue? What about Millard Fillmore? Or Abe Lincoln? It’s not called “The War of Northern Aggression” for nothing.
Oh whatever S&M, I see you made your way back onto the board.
This is actually kindof funny that we’re having this conversation right now.
JUST five minutes ago, was offered a job making more money, but with no benefits. I was working a different job that was going to take about 1/3 of my pay for health insurance. And I was going to pay it.
Why I’m taking a job with no benefits now? This new job has the potential to move up, where the job I have now does not.
And to think they JUST closed open enrollment for the healthplan at my husband’s job. I guess I’ll wait till next year, if they don’t raise the price out of our reach again.
I’m little unsettled that James Madison made one of the lists, though there was that unnecessary war with the U.K. Talk about a mixed legacy.
On the other hand, his VP was George Clinton. What a funkadelic administration!
“Fleets enema, you’re a moron just like Goofy testicles.”Posted by: political_mom | December 05, 2006 at 10:37 AM
You know if you want your opinion to be valued how about stopping the childish name calling. This seems to be a trademark among democrats if they can’t say something with substance they just add a rude, crude or socially unacceptable name to score points with the immature and socio-paths.
It’s one reason I hate visiting this blog because all the immature name labeling.
I’m sure you wouldn’t talk this way face to face, so why do it here?
“The slaves did get room and board. That’s not nothin’.”
Hehe, good point, Einstein.
Fleets enema, you did NOT just write that on here.
And to think I was starting to feel bad for calling you an enema-
I see the ‘haves’ or ranting about the ‘have nots’ and defending their greedy ways.
I just wonder how many of these so-called noble ‘haves’ actually worked to get where they are or did they marry money?
The wealthy in America do not want to admit this but the middle class keeps the country going. The wealthy may have the money but the middle class has the brains and backs to work in the companies that these wealthy say wouldn’t be there without their money. Well, these companies would not be where they are if not for the middle class working for them – it takes two and the sooner the wealthy learn this fact – the better off the country will be.
But that would take some backbone so I am not holding my breath on that one.
The Vietnam war was started by Eisenhower meddling into their business. JFK inherited the problem and tried to get out but someone shot him for it. LBJ was pushed into the corner by politicians that wanted the war to continue – so he had no backbone to stop it.
Nixon was just plain bad all around and Reagan was just a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
But George W. Bush takes the cake in the arena of bad presidents.
Any person that continues to do the same things and expects different results is called a fool. Stay the course will be George W. Bush’s mantra until is out of office.
Oh great, now I have to come up with a ditty for JM.
How about Junior-manhood?Jiggly munchkin?Just a moron?
Way too early for any conclusions. Years too early. Clinton and Carter are still working to rehab their legacy. Bush isn’t even out of office yet. He may turn out to be visionary on the war on terror. Or he may not.
“He may turn out to be visionary on the war on terror.”
Since the war on terror is a collective hallucination, I would agree with that statement.
You’re right Rage. Better it should be termed “the war with Islamic extremist nut cases”; but that’s kind of long.
I wish it were a hallucination. But I’m afraid we are all going to find out how real it is.
This is 20-20 hindsight, but I think the problem has clearly been shown that the premises used to run this engine have been shown also to be hallucinations, coupled with repeated bad judgements !
The war against the extremists (such as those reagan supported in Afghanistan) is real; too bad Bush chose to divert our resources alsewhere.
I would love to see how any one of you with the quick-to-judge comments would do things better; would have changed things in the last 50 years of history and how ANY ONE of you could serve as president and not fall to the bottom of the ladder.
I think the “worst president ever” is a bit of a flame resulting from the problems going on…
I’m not trying to defend Bush, he’s the Head of State and bound to bear the brunt of criticism; but come on. When was the “Worst President” accolade awarded? Was it before or after he was re-elected for a second term?
I’m just saying…
~Dubyahttp://www.wichitavoice.com
“As for those thinking Clinton will go down as worst president, LOL, he’s rated one of the best. How very fitting for a group who tried so hard to bring him down for stupid reasons.”
Another example of the dumbing down of America.
outlander,
I don’t see much chance for “rehab”.
The terrorists are scattered over 60 (or more?) different nations. Military tactics are almost useless, except for Afghanistan, and Bush failed there — the Taliban are getting stronger.
The best strategy is good intel, and international cooperation. Unfortunately, we’ve lost the goodwill and respect of much of the world
In Sep. 2002, Al Gore described the better strategy, and predicted what Bush’s strategy has now caused.http://www.commonwealthclub.org/archive/02/02-09gore-speech.html
The Middle East has always been in conflict. When have these countries ever known peace? George W. Bush and his cronies wanted control of the oil and their way to get that was to invade Iraq. They used the 9/11 tragedy to somehow connect Saddam to terrorism and then got the Religious Right to handstamp everything with ‘God’ told Pat Robertson that he wanted George W. Bush to be president. So all the sheeple said ‘yes, go invade Iraq’.
George W. Bush has made a mess of his entire presidency but yet he continues to be proud of being the war president. Well, he will have to live with whatever legacy history assigns to him.
Heh, you know, hmmmm, I only 19 years old when I saw the news stories about giving Stinger missiles to the Mujahedeen. I certainly hadn’t read any ponderous studies or done any real research, but this was fast of on the heels of the Iranian hostage crisis.
And I thought: Is it really a good idea to be arming fanatical Muslims, even to push the Soviets out?
It saddens me to be proven right.
Rage, read “Charlie Wilson’s War” for a chillilng look at what a group of insider fanatics can do. It shows exactly how the Muj were given all the arms they need.
Does it really matter if George W. Bush is the 5th worst president or even the 1st worst? We are still having to deal with the repercussions from the mess this man has made over the last 6 years.
Unfortunately, even as he leaves office with all the fanfare the GOP can muster, the US will have to start repairing the damage done to our image around the world.
But if we elect another Republican with the same foreign policies of George W. Bush – then there will be no repairing our image, it will just be another chaos waiting to happen.
Aw Dubya, how could any of us say we could do better? Because WE were the ones saying NO TO IRAQ in the first place, or did you forget?
We shouldn’t even elect the same party if we wish to restore our image Suza. These are the same people that supported the Prez till there was no way to cover up his mistakes any longer.The party of corruption does not deserve any power at this point in time.
“The slaves did get room and board. That’s not nothin’.”
By making this statement are you defending slavery? Surely, not even you would do that. Because if you are defending it, maybe the libs are right when they say that conservative wingnuts are racists.
pmom,”And to think they JUST closed open enrollment for the healthplan at my husband’s job. I guess I’ll wait till next year”if you are taking a job with no health benifits contact your husbands health care provider, even if open enrollment is closed now, because you no longer have a provider his provider will have to allow you to enroll. You may want to ask them if they can tread your rude name calling behavior. But you have to contact them first.
JIMMY CARTER TOOK OVER AT AS BAD A TIME IN AMERICAN HISTORY AS ANY PRESIDENT. THE PRIME RATE FROM THE FEDS WAS REACHING 14PERCENT AND WE HASD BECOME A DEBTOR NATION BECAUSE OF VIETNAM. CARTER SAW THE LOOMING OIL CRISIS FOR WHAST IT WAS. A THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY AND DID THINGS ABOUT IT . REMEMBER DRIVE55. WE DIDNT OWE THE MIDDLE EAT ANYTHING TILL REAGAN TOOK OFFICE ASND NOT ONLY RAISED SPEED LIMITS BUT GAVE AMERICAN CAR COMPANIES WHAT THEY WANTED FOR OUR CARS MPG ON GAS. JIMMY CARTERS ONLY BIG FAILING WAS A DRY PERSONALITY. HE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS A PRESIDENT THAT LOOKED TO THE WELL BEING OF COUNTRY FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST CEO AND LOBBYISTS
Nixon ended Viet Nam. He also opened more colleges to minorities than any other president to date. He opened China. He started OSHA. Just plain bad? Someone needs to recheck history.
Nixons problem was he surrounded himself with power freaks, and let them run him into oblivian. All told, he was a very effective and great president. He lied? tell me what president hasn’t.
Reagon ended the cold war. He tried the same economic policies JFK championed. He, at least, was a man who stood by his people and his word. Again, he lied? Read the above paragraph.
Carter was probably the most honest president we had. Problem is, it appears honesty and the presidency are polar opposites. He was very ineffective.
My vote:Bush(the idiot now in power); Buchanan; Carter; Bush; Eisenhower.
“He tried the same economic policies JFK championed.”
Not really. JFK lowered tax rates from about 90% to about 50%. Reagan cut into muscle by lowering far too much and creaed huge deficits as a result.
The Laffer Corve has two sides; Reagan treated it as being monotonic.
stephen davis-”The slaves did get room and board. That’s not nothin’.”
Don’t you people have any sense of humor? Besides, that wouldn’t be defending slavery, anyway.It’s my party that attempts to empower people, not yours.
anyone who seriously thinks Reagan was a perfect president needs to remember that after he cut all the social programs in sight, he went after claiming ketchup to be a fruit at the school lunch program.
Genius? I think not.
Jimmy Carter was too honest to be in politics and especially when a a smooth-talking con man like Reagan was running against him.
Nixon opened trade to China – yeah, and how is that working for us today? We are now in debt to China even more thanks to George W. Bush and this for-profit war.
Leave it to Republicans to only think about their money and not the rest of the country.
Ronald Reagan was a great president because of his steadfast belief in America, his courage and willingness to act on his beliefs, and his love of and way with people. And he could tell a joke.
He was an encourager, an optimist,a patriot, and one of the best salesmen for America this country ever had.
Reagan and Nixon both did some good things. We on the “left” should recognize that. I would definitely put either of them above LBJ.
“Bush may have been wrong, but the charge that he lied is stupid. At least it’s been proven that the Lib’s biggest liar (Clinton) actually lied under oath.”
Actually, Clinton PARSED his answer during testimony in the Paula Jones lawsuit – which was a set up anyway. He answered truthfully that he had never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinski. Sexual relations were defined by the judge in the case as vaginal intercourse. Clinton did not VOLUNTEER that they had engaged in oral sex. A good defendant knows not to offer information that is not asked of him/her.
If he had been asked if Monica had performed oral sex on him and answered negatively, then you could make a case that he was a proven liar.
Clinton was never charged with or convicted of perjury. He voluntarily surrendered his law license for five year, to avoid a repeat of the Jones debacle.
To claim that Clinton was proven to be a liar is false. He was proven to be a good defendant in a civil case.
The right can scream all they want – when someone says that they have had sex with someone, they mean vaginal intercourse – not oral sex.
Now when it comes to lying, Reagan admitted that he lied when asked about Iran – Contra.
That’s a proven liar.
The Senate Intelligence Committee will soon prove, also, that Bush, the Sequel, knew that Saddam did not have WMD and he knew that there was no al Qaeda – Iraq connection.
That will prove that GWB is a liar.
Sheesh, the Rethuglicans are still on the anti-Clinton spree. So Bush can start an illegal war, get thousands of Americans killed, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed, waste billions of dollars, repeatedly violate the Constitution, throw Americans in prison without a trial or access to lawyers, torture people in secret prisons all because Clinton didn’t want to tell people about a blow job.
Yup, that’s the moral integrity of the conservatives.
I would put the deposit my cat made in the kitty litter box this morning above Lyndon Baines Johnson.
ws-That was amazing. Clinton is not a liar, even though I watched the tape and I heard him lie. You win.
Clark,You can slice an apple into many different shapes, but in the end, it’s still just an apple. Clinton is a liar – a monumental liar. If you recall, in that testimony, he tried to argue the definition of “is”.
And Clinton was disbarred.
Moreover, I submit that no human is ever 100% truthful. All this talk about who lied and who didn’t – meaningless.
Why can’t we look ahead? Solve the UPCOMING problems instead of focusing blame on things we can’t affect?
“Clinton is a liar – a monumental liar.”
Proof, Nutz, where is your proof?
Clinton did not define sexual relationships; the judge did. As for being disbarred, read my post:
“Clinton was never charged with or convicted of perjury. He voluntarily surrendered his law license for five year, to avoid a repeat of the Jones debacle.”
GWB, on the other hand, has done everything that he and Cheney can do to thwart the Senate Intelligence Committee investigation into the difference between their public statements and their private knowledge.
Isn’t it more important to know what lies led to the deaths and wasted treasure of a war of choice, than it is to know whether the president received a little head in the Oval Office? To help you with that answer:
Dead people – real, lives ended for no reason.
Blow jobs – who the hell cares?
fleettwood – exactly what lie did Clinton say. “Sex” hed been defined as intercourse; that has never been shown to have happened.
Choose his words carefully? Of course. But lie? ‘Fraid not.
Those who are taught abstinence education without being taught sex education are more likely to engage in anal and oral intercourse. The reason being is they learn that isn’t actual sex, only vaginal sex is.
How much did taxpayers spend on investigating whether or not Clinton got a blow job? Wasn’t it around $60 million? That’s fiscal conservatism for you.
Fleet, you are undoubtedly the most hardcore reich-wing proponent that I have ever come upon – ever.
How about this one, Fleet – George H W Bush carried on an affair with Jennifer Fitzgerald for years, both as Vice President and President. She traveled with him at tax payer expense numerous times. Her existance and “function” were common knowledge in Washington for years. The press never reported her “job” because of the “good old boy” network that was in place in the media.
The press only jumped on Clinton because Fox and EIB saw an opportunity to improve their ratings.
Get you facts straight about your heroes before you try to jump those of us on the left, Fleet.
BTW – Do you know who Robin Lowman is? Look it up, it is fact, not some propaganda…..
Clinton Disbarred From Supreme Court
By Anne GearanAssociated Press WriterMonday, Oct. 1, 2001; 10:48 a.m. EDT
WASHINGTON –– The Supreme Court ordered former President Clinton disbarred from practicing law before the high court on Monday and gave him 40 days to contest the order.
The court did not explain its reasons, but Supreme Court disbarment often follows disbarment in lower courts.———————–
Sure looks like “disbarred” to me – unless, of course, you choose not to believe the AP (which I would completely understand).
That was merely a political activity by the Republicans who had waged an 8 year campaign to harm Clinton in any way possible. It’s meaningless.
Dubya told reporters that he had no plans to replace Rummy – about a week before Rumsfeld’s announced departure.
Then, when asked about that exact item, Bush acknowledged that he wasn’t truthful because he didn’t want to announce such a major change just prior to the election.
Ok, he lied. The end.
Next topic?
“Why can’t we look ahead? Solve the UPCOMING problems instead of focusing blame on things we can’t affect?”
I agree golfer – but you guys keep bringing up the meaningless bj.
“The court did not explain its reasons, but Supreme Court disbarment often follows disbarment in lower courts.”
Read, once again…..
“Clinton was never charged with or convicted of perjury. He voluntarily surrendered his law license for five year, to avoid a repeat of the Jones debacle.”
If he didn’t have a license to practice law in Arkansas, then he couldn’t appear before the SCOTUS!
Crap, do you Cons need pictures to go with the stories?
ws-
“Fleet, you are undoubtedly the most hardcore reich-wing proponent that I have ever come upon – ever.”
Thank you.
Has anyone considered the ramifications of using the word “fifth” around a certain un-named individual?
This could needlessly tempt someone into falling off the wagon and having a relapse!
Hmmmmmmmm…….
It wasn’t a compliment, Fleet……
Funny, Gster, funny!!!!
But I think it is too late – he acts like he is already back to the bottle.
ws-That is how I took it.Thanks again.
Hey, Fleet, have you looked up Jennifer and Robin on “the Google” yet?
You might try it – it’ll open your eyes a bit…..
ws-Not propaganda? Good Lord! Those sites are the commie ones. No thanks. You are not the most Lib commie I ever met. Try harder.
Whoa, hold up here. Clinton DID lie. Let’s not kid ourselves.
What Clinton did was indefensible. He had sex repeatedly with an employee and lied about it under oath.
He should have resigned and allowed Al Gore to become president; thus outraging the nation against the Republican witch-hunt that overturned their votes.
Instead, it was all about Clinton saving Clinton. No concern for the good of the party or that he might be handing the executive to the WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER.
Nope, it was all about him. This liberal says a gentle good riddence to all things Clinton.
But his lie was nothing compared to the torrent of lies that we have seen coming from WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER.
“We can’t wait for the final proof, the smoking gun, to come in the form of a mushroom cloud over an American city.”
“Those people who say we didn’t find the weapons of mass destruction are wrong, we found them, we found them.”
“The vast majority of my tax cuts go to those at the bottom of the economic ladder.” The bottom 60 percent got 14 percent of the tax cut.
“For us to get the American military involved in a civil war in Baghdad would literally be a quagmire.” Dick Cheney, April 1991
“I would only use military force if the mission were clear and there was an exit strategy. . . . If we don’t stop sending our military all around the world in ‘nation building’ exercises, we’re going to have trouble down the road. And I’m going to prevent that.” Bush, First debate, Sept 2000
“Education is important. That’s why we’re raising the amount of Pell Grants given.” SOTU 2004 Bush raised the amount by a token 100 dollars but vastly reduced the NUMBER of Pell Grants awarded.
etc. etc. etc.
In fact, I challenge any of you Bush facists to find one clear example of a statement that can be proven true or false that Bush ever said that was later proven true.
I’d skip the War in Iraq, economic policy, taxation, his pledge to impliment a carbon tax, social security’s imminent bankruptcy and just about everything Bush has ever said.
Good luck.
Hotwoodlick–
“Commie?” Gee, let’s all sit around the black and white tv and watch “The Ed Sullivan Show.” I think Bobby Darin is on tonight.
The “reds under the bed” routine hasn’t worked since Barry Goldwater had hair.
But thanks for showing everybody what CONservative means . . . living several decades behind the times.
Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job.
Wasn’t Putin a commie? And didn’t Bush look into his eyes and see his soulmate?
I agree without a doubt the Lincoln and FDR were two of our nations finest leaders.However I wonder how they would have been judged in say 1862 (sorry my civil war history is not up to par, but recognize this is the early stages of the conflict) or 1942 when we were getting our asses handed to us in the South Pacific.I think it’s a travesty to judge Bush against President’s who have been out of office a half century plus.
True, KIA, the US had stunning losses in the Civil War and WWII, but we didn’t have stalemate after almost FOUR YEARS.
The historical analogy doesn’t work–if this were WWII, the Nazis would have been defeated by now.
Instead the situation in Iraq gets worse.
This is an administration that had no plan for occupying Iraq. And they still don’t.
The goals of the Civil War and WW2 were clear. There is no recognizable goal in the illegal occupation of Iraq. A close comparison can be the illegal invasion of Mexico by America. The goal was simply to expand American territory. History gave that President his due as an imperialistic aggressor, so too will Bush get that same title.
“I think it’s a travesty to judge Bush against President’s who have been out of office a half century plus.”
Given the likely outcome of the War on Iraq – an endless regional conflict – I seriously doubt that history will judge Bush kindly.
In actuality, most likely history will judge Bush, the Sequel, even more harshly than we do now. In time, the truth will come out that Bush did not have good reason to attack Iraq and it will be recognized that his actions only exacerbated the unrest in the Middle East. Furthermore, his attacks on our Constitution and his rape of our Treasury will be seen after the full impact is fully known.
Additionally, history will show that Bush II was the most partisan of Presidents in the last one hundred years and certainly one of the most deliberately divisive. Knowing that he received a half a million fewer votes than did Al Gore, Bush proceeded as if he had won an overwhelming public mandate.
It is inevitable that society will eventually reject Bush’ right-wing Christian conservative ideals and Bush will be shown to be the last hold out against tolerance and understanding.
Bush has made a fool of himself while in office, much as he did while in private business and as Governor of Texas.
He has truly been the polar opposite of the Uniter, not the Divider that he claimed to be.
In time, history will prove that George W Bush has been the absolute worst president ever.
Mr KIA-In the election of 1864, Lincoln won the electoral college in a landslide, but the popular vote was close. The country was divided on whether to continue the war. In May of 1864, something like 1,000 a day were killed/wounded during the Wilderness, Spotsylvania, Cold Harbour campaign. Plus, he had come around to wanting to free the slaves. He was not popular.Brinkley, in the article that got this whole blab fest started, cautioned against rushing to judgment on Bush’s presidency, but people will anyway.
So, Fleet, how are we going to “win” in Iraq?
GASP Goofytesticles backed up something he said with a link! OMG I think the world is coming to an end.
And no, I’m not worried about Clinton’s lie, WHO CARES. I’m worried about the lies coming from your fearful leader now that impact everyone’s lives.
Enema, your party does not want to empower people unless they’re rich.
Phillip Brownlee is the worlds biggest pussy.
Posted by: political_mom | December 05, 2006 at 03:10 PM
Geez Mom tell us how you really feel?Wait was that really you?
For once, I agree with PeeMom – partly. (and NO, Cindy – I will not father your child). Who cares?
It is almost certain that the whole mess with Monica (Slick Willie for doing it, and the GOP for pushing the investigation) distracted Clinton from the impending terrorist attacks on 9/11.
However, this cannot be undone. I’d rather focus on today’s problems and how to solve them.
ws-I don’t have a clue, but I do know it’s not by hoping we lose just because of hatred for Bush.pmom-And just what is “rich”?
And Cindy/PeeMom…I know you love talking about my genitalia, but I will NOT let you see them. Ask JR or Capn. They’re liberal. I’m sure marital vows are less meaningful to them.
I suspect pol mom was trolled. I suspect golfnuts did the trolling. I’d like to further suggest that fleetwood is also “SM” Either that or SM has an uncanny knack for posting right behind fleet.
Boys? You don’t prove your arguement by duplicating it under more than one nic. It’s really easy to spot and somewhat stupid.
Look the fact is history will judge bush very harshly. He was stolen into office and has accomplished NOTHING good.
heh heh
One of yy son’s teachers had a bush picture. My son asked him why he had a picture of “that man” The teacher said “Well that’s the president!” My son said “No it isn’t! He was never elected.”
Teach the children well!
For you history buffs: how many of you know that Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves in the Confederacy?
The slaves in the border states, Maryland, Kentucky, etc, were not freed by the Proclamation.
……the Emancipation Proclamation was limited in many ways. It applied only to states that had seceded from the Union, leaving slavery untouched in the loyal border states. It also expressly exempted parts of the Confederacy that had already come under Northern control. Most important, the freedom it promised depended upon Union military victory……
The National Archives and Records Administration
Lincoln gets high marks for preserving the Union, however, he was not quite the humanist that some will paint him as, in fact, Lincoln cosidered blacks to be members of a subhuman race, feeling that they lacked the intelligence to be full citizens of the Union.
Fact, not GOP fiction…….
“I don’t have a clue, but I do know it’s not by hoping we lose just because of hatred for Bush.”
Christ, Fleet, are you really that stupid?
Really?
“I don’t have a clue,”
Problem is, neither does Bush.
“but I do know it’s not by hoping we lose just because of hatred for Bush.”
I do not know anyone who hopes that. But, I would add that ‘it’s not by hoping we win just because we worship Bush’ won’t work either.
ws – yes, really
Mr. nut
I’m going to require at this time that you treat political mom with a bit more respect.
I don’t like bullies fella. Now you’re a sad little man and that’s fine. But you moderate yourself ‘K?
I think every president has had his good points and bad points.I think Woodrow Wilson and Nixon were bad, but George Bush still gets my vote for #1 WPE.
ws – as I recall the border sattes emancipation came not many years later …
Mary – while I tend to agree I think Bush might be the exception. He seems to be 100% perfectly horrible.
I agree with you Political Mom, Many developed countries have nationalized health care and it works just fine. Basic health care should be a right, not a privilege only for those with money.Just think of the problems we could prevent if everyone had equal access to health care, what a difference that could make.We could afford it if we quit wasting money on things like attempting to control the governments of other countries.
JR,
No, I’m not fleetwood. But, I notice that your posts sound an aweful lot like uneducated children. So, I suggest that you may be one as well.
I agree with Mary. I will say this much for GW, he is tenacious. He sticks to his guns even if it means he shoots himself in the butt. We could actually take care of our own if we stopped being the cop of the world. I’m going to see the Dixie Chicks tonight so I will get to spend my evening with like-minded people. Like Mary.
No I would never say anything like that. I was trolled.
Another reason James Buchanan should be on the list; the “original” thirteenth amendment, which purports to ban future constitutional amendments to outlaw slavery, passed by the appropriate majorities of both houses of Congress, and signed by Buchanan, although technically, he had no power to sign or veto:
http://www.geocities.com/ghostamendment/
This amendment had no “ratify date”, and still exists, technically to take effect should the requisite number of states ratify it.
Mary – as I recall yuo are a nurse? If so, comments on cost savings with early interdiction and prevention please? (I just got my annual torture)
Lincoln is often considered the Great Emancipator, but he freed no one. He was the one who,almost by sheer will, kept the country together. ws is correct about the Emanipation Proclamation. It was a genius political move to give the North something “real” to continue the fight. The fight for “unification” was getting stale. Many wanted to let the South go their way and be done with it.I am not SM and jr is a dope.
Fleet Enema–”My party tries to create opportunity”HAH!”opportunity”–for big companies preying upon small business.What the hey ever happened to Republicans being the defender of small business?
Yes, MrC, one wonders about the current DOJ’s enthusiasm for enforcement of various anti-trust acts.
I own a small business, and I can’t possibly be convinced that the government – specifically this administration – is doing anything BUT giving me opportunity.
I have access to all kinds of SBA loans and grants (never used any of them, though) – and the mountains of information available to help me grow are immeasurable.
You’re welcome, GolfNut. And don’t worry, we liberals will keep that government welfare coming your way.
Hotwood asks, “what is rich?”
The top one percent starts at 300,000 dollars of income a year.
That’s about 6 and a half times the average household income.
I think you could make a pretty good case that being richer than 99 percent of all Americans is rich.
There’s a reason why citizens from all over the world (the most developed nations included) come to the United States for healthcare (mostly major surgeries.). Our healthcare is the best.Bringing this under control of the government, it is only going to get worse.Doctors won’t be making the millions they are under this type of plan, and the best young minds will look into other career options (probably law school of all things, which more attorney’s can only be a bad thing.).
“Don’t you people have any sense of humor? Besides, that wouldn’t be defending slavery, anyway.It’s my party that attempts to empower people, not yours.”
Joking about slavery is so Rush Limbaugh…
Yes your party does attempt to empower the wealthiest one percent of America. They couldn’t care less about anybody else.
I’m far from being in the wealthiest 1%, but I’m greatly empowered by the GOP.
So are you.
Well we always knew the GOP empowered assholes golf! Not all of us fall to your level!
Why is it when the government givesx KSGolfnut help with his business that is good but yet this man does not want anyone else to get help from the government. Sounds like Golfnut is just plain selfish – a true Republican!
What does Rush Limbaugh have to do with you people not having a sense of humor?Besides, it was my party who fought to free them, not yours. Your party is still the one who does their best to keep Blacks from being empowered.
We used to be the best healtcare in the world but not anymore! This is just a lie told by the Republicans because too many of you are making millions off the current healthcare system. Just look at Bill Frist – he made a fortune off HCA.
fleettwood – since I used to be a Republican I can make the same claim – my party freed the slaves. But, in recent decades, the GOP has left me as the Dixiecrats took it over.
Lincoln’s Republican Party used to be the GOP – that is until you let the Evangelical Christians run rampant.
Actually a lot of people are sending patients to foreign countries like Canada, Cuba and India. The medical facilities and staff are top notch but the costs are much, much, much lower. America’s the richest country but over 30 million people have no insurance so they have the choice between food, medical care or bankruptcy.
I think when Republicans claim that their party “empowers” all Americans they just are referring to all Americans who they think matter. Bush had no problem with a major American city being destroyed and it’s residents drown, that’s empowerment for you.
If the GOP is the party of morals, I fail to understand how your party could be against basic healthcare for every American citizen. This should be a moral issue, not an economic issue where a few select get rich.
That’s not a moral issue. That’s a commie issue. Howza ’bout we pay everybody $50,000 per year? Isn’t that a moral issue? Howza ’bout giving everyone a Mercedes-Bentz? Moral issue?Howza ’bout you get a Goddammed job and EARNING everything you claim is a moral issue?
Just recently a friend of mine from the U.K. was commenting on how bewildering and expen$ive the healthcare system is in the U.S.
Hotwood — how exactly do you make your living? I’m genuinely curious.
I give dildos away to the poor. I believe that they are for everyone, not just the rich. I find it quite empowering.It’s a moral issue, really.
Ben you’re absolutely right. The republican party of today is NOT at all the republican party of Lincoln. Republicans today look just like the Dixiecrats.
So the GOP equates lifesaving medical treatment to getting a car. This is why conservatives can’t understand the issue of compassion and human rights, that would take some sort of moral sense.
So Goofytesticles gets govt cheese….how fitting to have corporate welfare for the one who complains so much about earning it for himself.
Hey goof, didn’t you say your family owns a restaurant business too? Two generations of corporate welfare. So glad to know tax dollars are supporting you.
Medical treatment is available to everyone in this country. You know it. Admit that your blurb was bogus and pledge that tomorrow you will go find a job.
PeeMom,Can you not read? Do you have ADD? Are you autistic? De De De…
I said I’ve never gotten a government grant or an SBA Loan.
pmom-It seems you enjoy taking people’s name and turning them into something, shall we say, unflattering or nasty or even mean? Would that be a fair statement?Would turn about be fair play? Just wondering.
Disappear fleet. Fade into the bad memories of the blog.
Why would you want that, jr? Aren’t we getting together at the meet-up?
Lincoln’s Republican Party used to be the GOP – that is until you let the Evangelical Christians run rampant.
Posted by: sunny | December 05, 2006 at 08:48 PM
Was Lincoln evangelical?
“I am much indebted to the good Christian people of the country for their constant prayers and consolations; and to no one of them, more than to yourself.”
“The will of God prevails. In great contests each party claims to act in accordance with the will of God. Both may be, and one must be, wrong.”
“With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation’s wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan…”
“Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves; and, under a just God, can not long retain it.”
“I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom.”
“In regard to this Great Book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior gave to the world was communicatedthrough this book.”
“I do not think I could myself, be brought to support a man for office, whomI knew to be an open enemy of, and scoffer at, religion.”
Fleet and Nutz – both of you are guilty of unprovoked attacks on others posting on this blog – and both of you know it.
Neither of you can seem to come up with data to support your case so each of you resort to personal attacks.
Neither of you have any (insert) but you seem to want to gang up on P Mom or anyone else that disagrees with you.
When you are losing your “battles” you resort to trolling.
Some of us would like to have reasonable, civil discussions, but you two make it difficult, at best.
Yes, I have whacked both of you, but only in retaliation. Whenever I have attacked, it has been in response to your attacks.
Fleet – you merely throw out talking points from Rush and Snow.
Nutz – you seem to think that you can lord over those that have not had your successes in life.
Neither of you is worth a warm bucket of piss.
You can dish it out, but neither of you can take it.
Clark,Meaningless post. Please reconsider your thoughts before trying to put them into sentences.
Next time, offer something cerebral.
My, my. I don’t recall issuing personal attacks.The trolling charge is silly.I have asked pmom a question that hasn’t been answered yet, but I am looking forward to it.What does that (insert) mean?I don’t understand.
Goodness Fartwood, I didn’t realize America has universal health care. I wonder when that happened. It had to be before my friend spent years in debt for medical bills associated with a bottle to a head when a guy tried to rape her. No, she was poor and still had to pay medical bills. It must have been some time after that. It makes me wonder why my employer still offers a health benefits plan if it’s free for everyone.
Oh wait, fuckwood is one of those lying conservatives. I forgot.
PeeMom,Can you not read? Do you have ADD? Are you autistic?
Posted by: KSGolfnut | December 05, 2006 at 09:27 PM
I’ll say this. I am on your guys’ side politically, but this was really below the belt.Not nice. No class.I realize conservatives take a great beating here, myself of course included, but we need not resort to these kind of attacks. We are the “right” for a reason :)
Well, Nutz, I am sure with all your business successes, you wouldn’t want to have any of us leftist welfare cheats frequenting your places of business, so tell us the names of your companies, so that we can avoid using our money to fund your future.
As for you, Fleet, I kicked your butt all over the net yesterday – do you want some more?
Put your money where your mouth is, Nutz.
And Fleet, I am still waiting for your plan for success in Iraq – you have had a day or so, so you should have one by now.
Let’s here it boys – or are you all talk and no backup?
“Medical treatment is available to everyone in this country. You know it.” This is what I said. I said nothing about universal health care or free health care. I did say you should learn to read gooder and maybe you could look in the paper and get a gooder job, loser.
I don’t have a plan for success and neither do you.
“pmom-It seems you enjoy taking people’s name and turning them into something, shall we say, unflattering or nasty or even mean? Would that be a fair statement?Would turn about be fair play? Just wondering.”I’m re-posting this for you pmom, in case you missed it. I hope you answer.
Hey, Fleet, your fight is over here – got any balls?
fleettwood,
WSClark is 100% correct — you just post bogus talking points, and BS.
Tell us why your so-called “liberal” media made so many false attacks on Gore — Love Canal, “invented” the Internet, ‘Love Story’, etc.
Was it because they planned to endorse him next year? /SARCASM!
“I don’t have a plan for success and neither do you.”
Fleet, I have already posted my plan to save Bush’ ass in Iraq – so where is yours – or are you just more talk and no answers?
Hey, fleettwood! (Look, I even included the second ‘t’!)
Since you’re so big on work (and accusing others of not working), I was wondering what you did for a living.
fleet is like white noise.
Nuts is another matter.
Fella? I call attacking the mom of an autistic child by calling her autistic over the line. You back off that or I might have to get nasty. So far you aint worth it. Trust me, you don’t wanna be.
Not only has the GOP changed in recent decades at least one prominent Republian I knew has changed – and not for the better. Dennis Hastert was a solid ‘mainstream-conservative’ MidWest Republicans when I was involved in his first campaign for Congress a bit over two decades ago. He was a man of honor and fair play. Watching him as Majrity Leader in recent years; he is not the man I knew.
Part of that is Washington. I did not know the young Dan Glickman but I am told he also changed as he became part of the ’system’ in DC. I did know tiahrt many years ago; he has also changed. Just as Glickman was no longer a Kansan I don’t know that Todd is either.
Both Parties have had a bad tendency to catch Potomic fever.
fleettwood,
“… you should learn to read gooder”"… get a gooder job, loser”
“GOODER”? Hahahahaha….
‘Are You Gooder at Grammar?’http://www.gotoquiz.com/are_you_gooder_at_grammar“Do you wonder why the non-word “gooder” is in the title?”
Rage,I do videos of myself accepting various vegetables in my numerous orifices. I post it on the internet. I am paying my bills and I have self-employment income. It is a fun and rewarding career. Most importantly, I am earning MY MONEY!vegetables in the rectum = easy cash for fleettwood; I can do it in less than 25 hours per week.
Mr. Kia, Goof and I have a history that extends beyond this forum. He’s made all sorts of nasty uncalled for statements in the past, it’s probably the biggest reason for my hostility towards people like him.
Fleets, I am called all sorts of things, PEE mom. I even made up some words ya’ll could call me.
Does it bother me, no. Call me any name you want really. It’s when the attacks get personal like Goof does, that get me riled up and he knows it. Like asking me if I’m autistic because my son is. Like calling me a victim because my college degree was stolen from me when I worked so damn hard to get it.
How did that happen Mom?(degree stolen from you)?
WS – problem with your plan is that it is not sufficiently simplistic. So, even after reading the words in it, fleetwood is still clueless.
Ben, it’s remarkably similar to the plan that Rumsfeld came up with – I am so ashamed….
That’s a long, long story Kia, but since Goof already knows and uses it against me… basically I was accused of cheating, but was proven innocent of that, but the day I was to graduate, I was given a failing grade on the basis of having the appearance of ‘unprofessional conduct’.
There is more, but that’s the simple explaination.
That sounds like crap (meaning what happened to you not the story.)Was this WSU or something?Side bar – I went to a JA (junior achievement) class today to do mock job interviews with HS freshmen. I told one particularly good kid – you need to go to college and get a degree because this is how our society is set up. But you need to do as much as you can while in and before college to give yourself some real world real marketable experience. Otherwise you are coming out of college with a degree and then have to learn something.
No it was a western Kansas community college (that has been in the news for some athletics corruption).
by the way, they’re right. There is no free healthcare. If you can’t afford it, they’ll garnish your wages to get it eventually.
PLUS…
She has a thing for my genitalia. =)
oooohhhh…..it was a COMMUNITY college. So it wasn’t a full degree – just the associates (half of a degree).
Even better…
Repost, Nutz, what’s your answer?
“Well, Nutz, I am sure with all your business successes, you wouldn’t want to have any of us leftist welfare cheats frequenting your places of business, so tell us the names of your companies, so that we can avoid using our money to fund your future.”
Fratboy, I don’t even want to hear it.
Clark,As I’ve said before, you’re not in my target market.
Cheating in college is a serious crime. I’m glad they didn’t just ignore it.
Is that the little blue pills for conservative radio talk show hosts market? Or is it the hotel massage service for conservative televangelist market? Maybe ‘direct to teen’ cell phone text messaging service for pedophile conservatives? I wonder what service good honest conservatives rely on that use welfare cheats are too dirty and common to have.
I’d have been repulsed if they had ignored an incidence of cheating. But it was investigated and I was cleared.
But you already know that, you jerk.
“I do videos of myself accepting various vegetables in my numerous orifices.”
Hehe, okay with me! At least you’re applying yourself.
But, c’mon, folks, trolling anyone—even hotwood–ain’t nice. Knock it off.
“Clark,As I’ve said before, you’re not in my target market.”
Ah, come on now, Nutz, you never know when some leftist wacko might darken your doorway. Just to be sure, tell us where your all so successful business is so we can avoid accidently spending our money for fuel your reich wing fantasies.
Or are you just some two-bit teenage punk blogging in Mommy’s basement?
Now, what is it Nutz, a big successful business baron or just a two-bit punk – or both?
“so we can avoid accidently spending our money for fuel your reich wing fantasies.”
That should have been:
“so we can avoid accidently spending our money TO fuel your reich wing fantasies.”
You know how lefties are, they can hardly think and type at the same time…..
Golfnut, it would be nice to know much of your vaunted success is due to family connections. “Frat boy.”
Just call it a hunch.
You know, Nutz, you think that you are a “Big Bertha” driver with a graphite shaft, but really you are putter swiped from the local minature golf course.
And you have no balls in your bag.
Oh come on, wouldn’t you like to see an especially nubby aspargus inserted into fleettwood’s urethra? I would. It would be very funny. Far funnier than his lame “humor”.
Don’t be messin with Fleets urethra. Thats all mine, baby.
GolfNut, just pray no large cartel of companies wants to put you out of business.THEN you’ll see just how “empowering” Republicans can be!
MrC-If that happens, I’ll do what I’ve done in the past – adapt.
Or, I’ll also do what I’ve done in the past – sell to them and start something new.
Either way, I win.
What are you talking about? Bush is the very best of what America is all about! economic oppression, and subjugation of darker skinned peoples. If you hate Bush, then you must hate yourself.
INCOMPETENCE – that will be the George W. Bush presidency. Okay, agreed soooo, Bush didn’t lie about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. However, he was told by his own national security advisor that Iraq was NOT an imminent threat during the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq and the civilized world knew Iraq had no delivery system to disperse such weapons. The invasion of Iraq is a travesty. Countless American treasure and the loss of our brave military for what? What Cheney and company have done is put an even bigger bullseye target on America….Bush and Cheney learnt nothing from history and willforce our children and grandchildren to bare the brunt of the Bush “simplistic” doctrine ofU.S Middle East reformation.
Bush saw that article and responded by proclaiming “I’m going to make it to the top (bottom) of the list! AND HE DID!
T Banks, please clarify what kind of “American Treasures” were lost.
How about over 3000 brave American service men and women? Billions of dollars? Our prestige and respect in the world?