Comments on: From a conservative, the case for Obama http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/ The Wichita Eagle Editorial Department Blog Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:11:17 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5.2 hourly 1 By: Brenda Shull http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106194 Brenda Shull Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:42:05 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106194 Yes, I am better off than when I grew up. I grew up in poverty and have worked my whole life. I believe that education is the key to improving your life but I didn't go to college until my kids came along. I didn't want them to have to live like I did. However not everyone is as lucky as me. As a country we are hooked on cheap goods and so all those jobs that paid a decent wage are going elsewhere. This is killing the middle class and if we keep going there will only be 2 classes the very rich and the very poor. I am amazed that some of you seem to have no love for anyone that needs help. Without the social programs to help the poor we will continue to have the social problems. I'm not saying we should just hand out money. I believe work is empowering. I saw how that works in a positive manner when we lived in Germany. Everyone on public assistance works even if all you can do is pick up trash. There was a man who worked up and down our street. He had a pointed stick and he picked up any trash along the street. He was a very proud man and felt he provided an important service. And yes I know it is a Socialist govenment. However in many ways Europe has a better quality of life than we Americans. They certainly are more progressive thinkers. Yes, I am better off than when I grew up. I grew up in poverty and have worked my whole life. I believe that education is the key to improving your life but I didn’t go to college until my kids came along. I didn’t want them to have to live like I did. However not everyone is as lucky as me. As a country we are hooked on cheap goods and so all those jobs that paid a decent wage are going elsewhere. This is killing the middle class and if we keep going there will only be 2 classes the very rich and the very poor. I am amazed that some of you seem to have no love for anyone that needs help. Without the social programs to help the poor we will continue to have the social problems. I’m not saying we should just hand out money. I believe work is empowering. I saw how that works in a positive manner when we lived in Germany. Everyone on public assistance works even if all you can do is pick up trash. There was a man who worked up and down our street. He had a pointed stick and he picked up any trash along the street. He was a very proud man and felt he provided an important service. And yes I know it is a Socialist govenment. However in many ways Europe has a better quality of life than we Americans. They certainly are more progressive thinkers.

]]> By: TRACY http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106193 TRACY Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:42:34 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106193 Everbody sing along: Get a haircutand get a real job Why can't you belike your big brother Bob? Everbody sing along:

Get a haircutand get a real job

Why can’t you belike your big brother Bob?

]]> By: fleettwood http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106192 fleettwood Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:23:30 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106192 The thing is, I didn't blame. Who would I blame? It sucked alright, big time, but I didn't think about (still don't) crying to the goverment to make it all OK. I was young and single, played the system (unemployment benefits) and collected until they almost ran out, then got a job. That's what happens when money is given away. You take as long as you can, then you get a job. There is a lesson there somewhere. The thing is, I didn’t blame. Who would I blame? It sucked alright, big time, but I didn’t think about (still don’t) crying to the goverment to make it all OK. I was young and single, played the system (unemployment benefits) and collected until they almost ran out, then got a job. That’s what happens when money is given away. You take as long as you can, then you get a job. There is a lesson there somewhere.

]]> By: CapnAmerica http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106191 CapnAmerica Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:18:00 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106191 "I've been laid off twice, both times just before Christmas. That sucked! I am still a Republican." Remember that scene in "Animal House" where the rich, conservative frat pledge was bent over with his gym shorts around his ankles. An active came along in a goth hood and smacked him repeatedly as hard as he could with a two-handed paddle. Through gritted teeth, the pledge said, "thank you, sir, may I have another." That pledge grew up to be Fleettwood. What a maroon . . . “I’ve been laid off twice, both times just before Christmas. That sucked! I am still a Republican.”

Remember that scene in “Animal House” where the rich, conservative frat pledge was bent over with his gym shorts around his ankles.

An active came along in a goth hood and smacked him repeatedly as hard as he could with a two-handed paddle.

Through gritted teeth, the pledge said, “thank you, sir, may I have another.”

That pledge grew up to be Fleettwood.

What a maroon . . .

]]> By: Mr KIA http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106190 Mr KIA Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:55:32 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106190 I think you actually made a good point Luce.That's the difference. In today's political world nothing will change until we get rid of the corrupted system. Just because you say God bless or God speed does not make you a moral person.-True For the GOP to state they are the party of morals - that has to be the height of all hypocrisy. And Democrats do tend to throw money at all the problems. But they tend to throw it at a social issues, but the Republicans throw the money toward themselves.-No Republicans let all of US (Republicans and Democrats) keep more of OURS. Knowing that WE can figure out a better way to use it than they would. You say yourself the system is corrupt. So why should more of OUR hard earned money go to it? I think you actually made a good point Luce.That’s the difference. In today’s political world nothing will change until we get rid of the corrupted system. Just because you say God bless or God speed does not make you a moral person.-True

For the GOP to state they are the party of morals – that has to be the height of all hypocrisy. And Democrats do tend to throw money at all the problems. But they tend to throw it at a social issues, but the Republicans throw the money toward themselves.-No Republicans let all of US (Republicans and Democrats) keep more of OURS. Knowing that WE can figure out a better way to use it than they would. You say yourself the system is corrupt. So why should more of OUR hard earned money go to it?

]]> By: lucee http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106189 lucee Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:42:35 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106189 Even the Devil admits there is a God, so that doesn't mean anything. Even the Devil admits there is a God, so that doesn’t mean anything.

]]> By: fleettwood http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106188 fleettwood Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:40:34 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106188 God speed to you, lucee. And may God bless you. God speed to you, lucee. And may God bless you.

]]> By: suza http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106187 suza Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:39:51 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106187 Now we know the problem? Now we know the problem?

]]> By: fleettwood http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106186 fleettwood Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:36:38 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106186 Like laid? Like laid?

]]> By: suza http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106185 suza Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:30:19 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106185 golf nut should know about playing the victim - that ploy works quite well for the Repubs when they don't get what they want. golf nut should know about playing the victim – that ploy works quite well for the Repubs when they don’t get what they want.

]]> By: lucee http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106184 lucee Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:28:42 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106184 Ah I see now - just so long as you get yours then everyone else can go to blazes right? For the GOP to state they are the party of morals - that has to be the height of all hypocrisy. And Democrats do tend to throw money at all the problems. But they tend to throw it at a social issues, but the Republicans throw the money toward themselves. That's the difference. In today's political world nothing will change until we get rid of the corrupted system. Just because you say God bless or God speed does not make you a moral person. I'm worried about the economic status of America because we are now a debtor nation. Rarely do debtor nations get to keep their ranking as a super power. I just think that we as a country can do better than we have been and are currently doing. Ah I see now – just so long as you get yours then everyone else can go to blazes right?

For the GOP to state they are the party of morals – that has to be the height of all hypocrisy. And Democrats do tend to throw money at all the problems. But they tend to throw it at a social issues, but the Republicans throw the money toward themselves.

That’s the difference. In today’s political world nothing will change until we get rid of the corrupted system. Just because you say God bless or God speed does not make you a moral person.

I’m worried about the economic status of America because we are now a debtor nation. Rarely do debtor nations get to keep their ranking as a super power.

I just think that we as a country can do better than we have been and are currently doing.

]]> By: KSGolfnut http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106183 KSGolfnut Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:34:16 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106183 Lucee,What's wrong with America..is that we should focus more on individual responsibility and EARNING what you get. If you're offended by something someone says or does, then DON'T PAY ATTENTION to it. Playing the victim just makes you a perpetual victim. Lucee,What’s wrong with America..is that we should focus more on individual responsibility and EARNING what you get. If you’re offended by something someone says or does, then DON’T PAY ATTENTION to it.

Playing the victim just makes you a perpetual victim.

]]> By: fleettwood http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106182 fleettwood Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:30:32 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106182 Ah, lucee-I am afraid you are a lost cause, like capn. I happen to believe that what I earn I should be able to keep (mostly).Those companies you speak of being bought and sold, somebody smart is doing the buying and the selling. No guns are pulled out. If there are too many workers, lay offs happen. I've been laid off twice, both times just before Christmas. That sucked! I am still a Republican. The Democrat tax hikes may cause a lot of the lay offs you cry about. Ah, lucee-I am afraid you are a lost cause, like capn. I happen to believe that what I earn I should be able to keep (mostly).Those companies you speak of being bought and sold, somebody smart is doing the buying and the selling. No guns are pulled out. If there are too many workers, lay offs happen. I’ve been laid off twice, both times just before Christmas. That sucked! I am still a Republican. The Democrat tax hikes may cause a lot of the lay offs you cry about.

]]> By: Mr KIA http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106181 Mr KIA Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:27:51 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106181 It's not about money at all. It's about being happy with what you've got.I great quote from one of the Rockefeller's when asked how much money was enough - "Just a little more".It's the Dems that want to throw money at all the problems, take from the so called rich and give to the poor as if that was the simple solution to the problem. It’s not about money at all. It’s about being happy with what you’ve got.I great quote from one of the Rockefeller’s when asked how much money was enough – “Just a little more”.It’s the Dems that want to throw money at all the problems, take from the so called rich and give to the poor as if that was the simple solution to the problem.

]]> By: lucee http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106180 lucee Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:17:44 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106180 The greed I am talking about is how the GOP supports employers laying off thousands of workers so that the CEO can get that million plus bonus, on top of their outrageous salary. There is something wrong when the US no longer has the mainstream corporations like we used to. We have companies being bought out by other companies to make the largest in the history of the US. Or we have well known US companies being sold to foreign countries - all in the name of making money. Where is the pride in America? Where is the pride in making sure every person working can have a decent living wage? Where is the pride of America taking care of their own? What happened to the soul of America? It's been sold for an extra dime - that's what happened. The greed I am talking about is how the GOP supports employers laying off thousands of workers so that the CEO can get that million plus bonus, on top of their outrageous salary. There is something wrong when the US no longer has the mainstream corporations like we used to. We have companies being bought out by other companies to make the largest in the history of the US. Or we have well known US companies being sold to foreign countries – all in the name of making money. Where is the pride in America? Where is the pride in making sure every person working can have a decent living wage? Where is the pride of America taking care of their own?

What happened to the soul of America? It’s been sold for an extra dime – that’s what happened.

]]> By: Dubya http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106179 Dubya Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:14:44 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106179 That Obama video posted WAY above sounds just like any other political drivel from any other candidate anywhere. ALL of the candidates in any upper eschelon race (governor, congress, senate, president, etc.) are doing so for the power, prestige and influence. Capn, who seems more like he's speaking for the proletariat than the Democratic party, do you really think any of Democrat party nominees are out there "pulling a paycheck"? I'm sure Hillary is just living paycheck to paycheck, waiting for the Man to give her a raise. The political system as a WHOLE is broke in the U.S. It's happened with Arnold in California, Jesse Ventura in Minnesota, and it could easily happen with Obama/Oprah in the White House. The masses are ruled over by the media; you can BET that if Oprah says Obama, millions of people will take her word as Gospel. ~Dubya<a href="http://wichitavoice.com" rel="nofollow">http://wichitavoice.com</a> That Obama video posted WAY above sounds just like any other political drivel from any other candidate anywhere.

ALL of the candidates in any upper eschelon race (governor, congress, senate, president, etc.) are doing so for the power, prestige and influence.

Capn, who seems more like he’s speaking for the proletariat than the Democratic party, do you really think any of Democrat party nominees are out there “pulling a paycheck”? I’m sure Hillary is just living paycheck to paycheck, waiting for the Man to give her a raise.

The political system as a WHOLE is broke in the U.S.

It’s happened with Arnold in California, Jesse Ventura in Minnesota, and it could easily happen with Obama/Oprah in the White House.

The masses are ruled over by the media; you can BET that if Oprah says Obama, millions of people will take her word as Gospel.

~Dubyahttp://wichitavoice.com

]]> By: lucee http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106178 lucee Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:13:18 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106178 If that is true fleetwood, then why all the bragging being done about how much money Republicans make or how much stock they own? I'm just wondering because that seems to be the main point in all these Republicans talking points. If that is true fleetwood, then why all the bragging being done about how much money Republicans make or how much stock they own? I’m just wondering because that seems to be the main point in all these Republicans talking points.

]]> By: fleettwood http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106177 fleettwood Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:12:01 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106177 P.S.-- I'll make my age for the first time ever this year. I don't know about you, but that isn't much to brag about. It certainly ain't rich, by anybodys definition.The greed greed greed that you people spout is stupid. Just what does that mean, anyway? P.S.– I’ll make my age for the first time ever this year. I don’t know about you, but that isn’t much to brag about. It certainly ain’t rich, by anybodys definition.The greed greed greed that you people spout is stupid. Just what does that mean, anyway?

]]> By: TRACY http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106176 TRACY Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:11:59 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106176 If money makes one miserable....I should be so cursed! HA If money makes one miserable….I should be so cursed! HA

]]> By: fleettwood http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106175 fleettwood Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:08:43 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106175 Not to speak for all Repubs, but money, sometimes, is a kind of grade card. If one works hard, applies oneself, keeps after it, you should be able to make money. But, money isn't everything. My wife teaches at a parochial skool and makes squat, but she wouldn't teach at a pubic skool to save her life (or her checkbook). And she loves it. It's really about being happy. Not to speak for all Repubs, but money, sometimes, is a kind of grade card. If one works hard, applies oneself, keeps after it, you should be able to make money. But, money isn’t everything. My wife teaches at a parochial skool and makes squat, but she wouldn’t teach at a pubic skool to save her life (or her checkbook). And she loves it. It’s really about being happy.

]]> By: lucee http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106174 lucee Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:03:24 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106174 In reading the Republicans posting on this forum, the main theme that jumps out at me is how much money they make. Is this the only thing that Republicans value? I guess that is why the GOP had to get the religious nutjobs to sanction their party's platform of greed-greed-greed? In reading the Republicans posting on this forum, the main theme that jumps out at me is how much money they make. Is this the only thing that Republicans value? I guess that is why the GOP had to get the religious nutjobs to sanction their party’s platform of greed-greed-greed?

]]> By: KSGolfnut http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106173 KSGolfnut Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:43:26 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106173 MrK,Oh man, I'm in complete agreement with you re: employees. I have great workers, but I just want to spend my time making money. Solving employee crises runs counter to that. When I was a contract DBA, I was in heaven: billing $50-60/hr and working 60-70-80 hrs/week. No employees, no overhead. And usually, I'd work at home in my shorts and flip flops. There's something to be said for education and the ability to think logically. MrK,Oh man, I’m in complete agreement with you re: employees. I have great workers, but I just want to spend my time making money.

Solving employee crises runs counter to that. When I was a contract DBA, I was in heaven: billing $50-60/hr and working 60-70-80 hrs/week. No employees, no overhead. And usually, I’d work at home in my shorts and flip flops.

There’s something to be said for education and the ability to think logically.

]]> By: Mr KIA http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106172 Mr KIA Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:41:43 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106172 His wife (Edwards) seems like a sweet lady. His wife (Edwards) seems like a sweet lady.

]]> By: TRACY http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106171 TRACY Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:41:07 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106171 Gore's a bore.Edwards is better. Gore’s a bore.Edwards is better.

]]> By: fleettwood http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conserva/#comment-106170 fleettwood Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:37:56 +0000 http://blogs.varsitykansas.com/weblog/2006/12/from_a_conservahtml/#comment-106170 Hey, "you people" <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2155501?nav=wp" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2155501?nav=wp</a> My favorite website says Obama may be into political favors, ala cheezy land deals. Oh, well. Hillary would be a good nominee. Oops, she has her own troubles with cheezy land deals. Maybe Kerry or Gore.Oops, Kerry married into money (like the Golfnut bashers like to lie about). Oh, well. That leaves Gore in '08!! Hey, “you people”

http://www.slate.com/id/2155501?nav=wp

My favorite website says Obama may be into political favors, ala cheezy land deals.

Oh, well. Hillary would be a good nominee. Oops, she has her own troubles with cheezy land deals. Maybe Kerry or Gore.Oops, Kerry married into money (like the Golfnut bashers like to lie about). Oh, well. That leaves Gore in ‘08!!

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