Does anyone think Barack Obama will not run for president in 2008? If so, George Will has an excellent column on why the junior senator from Illinois should seize the moment, regardless of reservations about his relative youth or lack of experience.
Will’s thesis is that excitement surrounding Obama’s possible candidacy is probably near its peak, a circumstance the senator has helped bring about. Deciding not to run now could brand him a tease and squander a lot of good will. As Will puts it, “if you get the girl up on her tiptoes, you should kiss her.”
Hel also points out that Obama is blessed with the perfect opponent in Hillary Clinton: “He is soothing; she is not.”
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What is he besides being well-spoken and good-looking?
Barack Obama represents nothing more than influence peddling by Oprah Winfrey. He might make a good preacher at a local church or a doorman at a hotel, but he is not presidential timber.
Among other things, he’s a baby killer and a Tiller sympathizer.
I think Obama or Hillary or Gore or Kerry would be a great nominee. Repubs everywhere hope for the same, along with best wishes for Senator Johnson.
I don’t think Hillary will allow Obama the chance.
Why does everyone think they know Barack Obama? Are any of you from Illinois? Did you even know who this man was before he beat the Republican for Senate?
If it takes experience to be president, then why do Republicans spout the virtues of George W. Bush? Bush was just a governor of Texas, of which his last name of Bush basically got him votes.
So before you go off half-cocked about Obama, you might want to really know what the man stands for and does not stand for.
And so what if he was on the Oprah Winfrey show – so was Bill O’Reilly, and he is one of your Republican darlings. Never underestimate the influence of Oprah – that may be the last dumb thing the Republicans do.
I see that, once again, the republicans are choosing the democratic candidates.
Maybe you guys should take a look at your own list of possibles.
He’s good looking???
Have you checked out the size of his ears?
I’m with you RD.
Hillary Clinton started her run for President more than six years ago……..according to the shills in right wing talk radio.
We do not require nor welcome Republican help in picking our candidate.
Obama is too young and inexperienced.
Agree with RD and JR – according to the rightie talkers Hillary was the nominee in 2004 and maybe even 2000. She will not be the nominee in 2008. I don’t think Obama will be either. Too young/inexperienced. I see a MidWest governor – maybe Vilsack. Or perhaps a gov from the southwest; Napolitanon (AZ) would be quite interesting.
Obama might get the VP spot; especially if the top is not MidWest.
Qualifications not withstanding, the only black man who could have been elected President, Colin Powell, is smart enough to know he didn’t want the job. The only woman who thinks she can be elected President, Billary Clinton, is too egocentric to realize she’s delusional.
Perhaps, by 2016, attitudes in America will change enough, and Obama will have enough experience, to have a realistic shot. I’d hope so, though I’m less than optimistic about the attitude part. And by then, Billary has retired to her kitchen to bake Ben’s “Christmas Tequila Cookies” all year around.
For crying out loud, we don’t need a celebrity for president. Hillary or Kerry at least know something about what our country needs.
Obama knows how to be a celebrity.
You like those cookies don’t you rm! ;^)
Good points on the topic; pretty much parallel to mine.
By the way, Happy Hannukah this evening. Keep the lights burning.
But maybe, just maybe, the people are tired of all the ‘experienced’ candidates and want a fresh change of face? After all, look at what experienced politcians have brought us – corruption, war, infighting, greed and corruption (yes I said corruption twice on purpose).
I didn’t hear any of the Republicans say that Arnold Schwarzzenger (sp?) was inexperienced when he ran for California Governor. Why? Because he was popular with the people and they knew he would bring in the votes. The only reason Republicans are downing Obama is because he is not one of them.
Governor vs. President.
Hmmmm…..
Suza, are you sure you wanna make that leap?
Thank you, Ben, And yes, that recipe was forwarded all over the United States to my friends.
And ron, Obama = celebrity? I don’t think so. FYI, George Clooney = celebrity. Will Smith = celebrity. Eddie Murphy = celebrity. Barak Obama = young political novice getting his feet wet, and, so far, doing a pretty good job of it. But then again, I really liked Harold Ford in Tennessee, and he got nailed on election day by a racist smear campaign. So I ain’t batting 1.000 myself.
Nice headline. I wouldn’t call the article a ringing endorsement by Will.I’m not sure of all the youth talk. He certainly looks a lot younger than he is. It’s not like he would be the youngest President ever.He certainly has more charisma in his little finger than anyone else I can think of either party running out there.
My point was, if you would have bothered to comprehend it, was that George W. Bush was merely a governor in a state where his daddy’s name got him votes. Plus, GWB has failed in all his business ventures in the past. Why does that make him any more qualified to be president than Barack Obama?
Oh, I forgot – the Holy Grail of the GOP is the amount of money one has. Is that why GWB has been given all the power to do whatever he wants, when he wants and to who he wants?
Ok my comment is for DEMS only, since we’re the ones who will decide who will be our Presidential candidate.
I really do like Obama, but I do think he needs more exposure and more experience before he leaps to President. We would be far better served with Hillary. She has exponential experience, she makes excellent decisions, and so what if the ultra right hate her…that doesn’t stop them from running candidates that suck.
Oh come on Mom. Even your own party is questioning Hillary’s electability. Which probably has more than her likability that her qualifications.Barring another terrorist attack on US soil or major US interests abroad (read as Europe or something) Oprah will decide the next President.
PMom: So we’re going to have another presidential campaign based on, “My loser doesn’t suck as bad as your loser”? Well, hell, why should I think anything is going to change? Of course, that’s what we’ll have. What was I thinking?
“Oprah will decide the next President.” Nope. Only in your dreams.
Our own party is questioning Hillary’s electability because of the smear campaign done to her by the republicans and that is the only reason. But they’ll smear anyone we put up, so what difference does it make. I think she’ll make a hellofa president, and it’s about time we elect a woman anyway.
And rm, it’s not that I think she’s a loser by any means- look at her record, nope no loser there.
Actually the youngest person to ever be President was one of the greatest. And at the other end of the pendulum isn’t being to old what hurt Dole and I think McCain now?
p-mom – although the nominee will be chosen by Dem voters in the primaries the winner in November will be chosen by the swing voters. THEY are the key.
Most swing voters do not hate Hillary, her numbers are pretty high. It’s the neocons who loathe her. And that’s perfect for me- for I loathe them equally.
Ben, I agree with you. The swing voters are the deciding vote factor. Isn’t that why all candidates veer to the middle after getting their nomination?
After the last election, I think the swing voters are looking for a real change and Obama may be just that ticket.
I would like to see John Edwards and Obama for VP. That would attract alot of swing voters who are fed up with the status quo from both parties.
Querry:
Just what has either Hillary or Obama actually DONE which makes either presidential timber? Obama is a less than one term junior Senator who is a media darling; Hillary, who made a name for herself on her husband’s coattails (there’s feminist bona fides for ya) is a carpet-bagging junior Senator who went to NY because she could not get elected in her home state (Arkansas, where she had lived and worked most of her adult life).
This is presidential timber?
The Religious Right had 8 years of smearing the Clintons and they continue to this day. Even the mere mention of Bill or Hillary gets a Religious zealot foaming at the mouth.
So, perhaps the Democrats need to think about this and try a different approach? I think Hillary is a very smart woman and that threatens alot of voters.
Obama is not yet seen as corrupted and that is a big plus in many voters’ perception.
I wonder if the reason the Republicans are so dead set against Obama as being qualified is because this man poses a real threat to their power?
The man could not possibly do any more damage than George Bush has in the last 6 years.
You want to know what Obama believes?
Check this out–
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPy7RnHwvmA
GMC–
What had Bush actually done? What has McCain done?
What did Bush Sr. do?
The ones that have no experience “bring a fresh perspective” and the ones that have experience “are corrupted by government.”
You RepubliCONs just argue for whatever is most convenient.
Pmom,
Hillary has, ever since the first poll on her favorability/unfavorability, has always drawn strong favorable and strong unfavorable results. My interpretation is that people “love” her or they “hate” her. I would venture to say that she has almost no ability to pull middle (where most are) voters. She would be a huge mistake. I think she knows that, too, and hopefully will do what’s best for her party.
http://www.pollingreport.com/C2.htm#Hillary
It would be my opinion Obama should be the democrats choice for president in ‘08. Why? For the very reason most have stated: Inexperience. Do we want an “experienced” politician who has been bought and paid for by whatever self-serving interest group out there? Or do we want someone who can play hardball without the baggage weighing down most of the politicians in Washington now?
If Obama is intelligent enough, and I think he is, he will be up to speed on world politics quickly. He will also be able to voice fresh perspectives on important issues; something the current crop of beltway insiders have a serious problem doing.
We have been saying along, get rid of all incumbants. Here’s the chance to do it. If Obama is chosen and runs, I will be voting for him.
Hopefully he runs because he has the best chance of beating Clinton in the primary. The conservatives hate him so much but they can’t find much of a reason to. So far they’ve attacked his name and how he dresses. Conservatives were never much more mature than your average 3rd grader.
I think Vilsack has a good story – prevailing over youthful hardships. He may be a good choice.
Obama – in the YouTube above, sure does sound good.
I think McCain has to pretty much have a lock on the Republican nomination – because those folks surely are dying for a more moderate candidate after Bush.
It will be interesting.
I heard on NPR the other day that there are signs all over D.C. which say:”He’s ready,Don’t wait,Obama in ‘08″
My choice is still Gore.
I want a Colbert/Stewart ticket!
Dear J R,
I sure hope that Gore runs. It would provide over a year of light comedy to harrass you with!
Hank
PS If he could have only carried Tennessee!
“Oprah will decide the next President.” Nope. Only in your dreams.Posted by: Ben Huie | December 15, 2006 at 10:45 AM
I think you are totally underestimating the stupidity of the fringe voter, who ultimately determines the outcome. Oprah has as much influence on that segment of the population as anyone.
No KIA, I don’t think I am. Having been involved in such things for many decades I find that other factors dominate.
Do you believe that Oprah nominated Kerry or Gore?
Most swing voters do not hate Hillary, her numbers are pretty high. It’s the neocons who loathe her. And that’s perfect for me- for I loathe them equally.Posted by: political_mom | December 15, 2006 at 10:55 AM
I didn’t say anything about hate. I am talking about likability or charisma. IMHO alot of politicians have very little to zero charisma (your Senator Brownback for example).
IF someone with the charisma of Obama enters the race against Hillary she is going to get slaughtered I think because of his likability or charisma.
It’s how her husband got elected, at least the first go around.
Most swing voters do not hate Hillary, her numbers are pretty high. It’s the neocons who loathe her. And that’s perfect for me- for I loathe them equally.Posted by: political_mom | December 15, 2006 at 10:55 AM
I didn’t say anything about hate. I am talking about likability or charisma. IMHO alot of politicians have very little to zero charisma (your Senator Brownback for example).
IF someone with the charisma of Obama enters the race against Hillary she is going to get slaughtered I think because of his likability or charisma.
It’s how her husband got elected, at least the first go around.
Iowa and New Hampshire are places where media darlings have less sway than others. ‘Retail’ campaigning rule, not wholesale. Then the system moves south, notable South Carolina.
I don’t know that Oprah has that much influence in any of these states.
No I don’t think Oprah has gone so far as to endorse any candidate yet in prior elections. I think she has been as fair as anyone in her line of work to the President as well.
She really loves Obama. I think she may throw out an endorsement which I don’t know if she has ever done if he runs for President. And I think if she does it will carry a lot of weight (no pun intended) with her hardcore fans.
I agree KIA. Rumor mill puts it like this, Hillary will start voting and acting more towards the middle. IMHO she is pretty far left and a year and a half of moderate voting won’t snow many.
She has no charisma IMHO. And you are dead on. Clinton nailed it with charm. Remember Rock The Vote and the MTV crowd? How many of those late teen/early twenty voters actually registered and voted for Billy? I’m betting about 90% of that demographic that wouldn’t have considered registering did after his appearances.
Will Hillary have that kind of charm? Doubtful. To me, she seems hateful and loves to pull the race card. Is that how she is gunning for the African American demographic?
The only people that think it’s going to be Hillary in 08 are the tin-ear media and their equally tone-deaf punditocracy.
The grass-roots Dems . . . the same people who helped sweep our party to an astonishing total sweep of Congress (which the pundits all said was impossible) . . . hate Hillary’s guts.
We already tried to get one Senator who voted for Bush’s war elected and failed. We’re not going to make that mistake again.
In ‘04, we on the Left chanted “anybody but Bush.” This time, we’ll be saying, “anybody but Hillary.”
These media folks should try talking to actual Democrats sometime . . .
Obama is a blue gum who thinks it’s okay for girls to leave dead babies in toilets at Tiller’s abortion clinic.
Heck Sol I was one of them in 1992!I was registered before however (cast my first Presidential vote for Dukakis of all people) and voted for Bill in 1992.I changed my view once I started earning a paycheck like a lot of folks.
Capn,Hillary has the campaign finance machine up and running…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/17/AR2006041701484.html
OK, since you aired your dirty laundry, as will I. I was in the Army and earning Squat. I voted for him first time around as well.
I am going to butcher this, but someone quoted earlier…
If you are in your twenties and not liberal, you have no heart. Thirties and older and not a conservative, you have no brain.
KIA–
If you draw a paycheck, then you should be voting for our side.
The Republicans have never helped those of us who draw a paycheck. We’re “workers” to them.
They reward the people who examine their portfolios poolside.
Have you been listening at all?
Keep repeating that, Sollie.
When you get cancer and you’re financially wiped out and the bank repos your house and car, or if you get caught in a natural disaster like New Orleans, or if you get MS and your boss doesn’t want his health care plan to pay for it so they fire you, I’m sure that will give you a lot of comfort . . .
Hank,
Iraq, terrorism, and the environment were issues that helped Dems win Congress on Nov 6.
Gore was correct, in Sep 2002, that a preemptive attack on Iraq was a horrible strategy.
Gore was/is correct on global warming, and other enviro issues.
He has enough money to personally start an effective campaign late in the “season”.
His recent documentary/book shows that he’s a likeable, compassionate person.
If Gore can undo the bogus ‘Love Story’ etc smears from the RNC and MSM, he would be a very strong candidate.
I know I’ve posted that addage before Sol!
Capn -1) I have a God that I feel I am accountable to with my vote and with the freedom I have been given. I know most people either hate or don’t want to attempt to understand that.
2) Maybe it is my age during this Presidency (30’s) – but I have increased my standard of living beyond my wildest dreams during the Bush Presidency. Wasn’t that what Reagan ran on and landslided in 1984? Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?
I don’t want to get this off topic.
Then I’ll hire a nice fat cat liberal lawyer and sue. Make you happy capn?
I know I’ve posted that addage before Sol!
Capn -1) I have a God that I feel I am accountable to with my vote and with the freedom I have been given. I know most people either hate or don’t want to attempt to understand that.
2) Maybe it is my age during this Presidency (30’s) – but I have increased my standard of living beyond my wildest dreams during the Bush Presidency. Wasn’t that what Reagan ran on and landslided in 1984? Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?
I don’t want to get this off topic.
Sorry for the multi posts. I’m off today and the home net connection is acting up.Enjoy the bashfest after my last entry (tongue in cheek)
I go to church too, KIA.
You can cool it with the holier than thou crap.
The Bush tax cuts helped every single American taxpayer – working class or not. In fact, those tax cuts helped the “worker” far more than the rich.
Good for your “wildest dreams” success, KIA.
Because that’s what Jesus said, wasn’t it?
It’s all about ME.
Personal opinion: The reason the economy did so well under Clinton was REAGAN. He said the plan would take 10-12 years to reach fruition. I think that instead of controlling the economy Clinton allowed it to over inflate. Bush got left with a popped balloon.
Bush created more debt than any president since WWII. Seems to be that the bulk of the debt is going towards WAR. I even saw some asshole post ‘Cut off the money’ to the war. Yeah, great liberal thinking to cut the legs off of our troops.
So other than the war, what is it that Bush is wasting money on? Social programs?
Tax cuts…. Hmmmm. I prepared the tax returns for someone who shall remain nameless. She is not married and claims no kids. She received more in a refund than she put in. Yeah, that Bush is really out to stick the working class.
I put in more than she made in a year and didn’t get SQUAT back throwing every deduction I could think of in ( for those connected with the IRS, all deductions actually filed were legitimate) :-)
Okay, GoofNut–
Even though I disagreed with you, I thought up to this point that there was some merit in arguing with you.
I see now that there is not.
You’re despicable LIE that “Bush’s tax cuts helped the poor more than the rich” has been proven a lie every which way from Sunday.
The average tax cut for the bottom 80 percent was 300 dollars. The average tax cut for the top 0.5 percent was 44,000 dollars.
In everyone’s world except for you, Rush, and Bush, 44,000 dollars is a lot more than 300.
You have proven yourself an idiot.
Have a nice day.
I didn’t want that to come of as a pius comment at all Capn. If anyone of you knew me you’d know I’m pretty much the exact opposite.
But when voting I really do consider someone’s faith. If I believe a candidates faith is similar to mine, that is going to swing me in one direction or another.The CA recall election 4 years ago is a good example of that. I voted McClintock (who I knew had no chance) over Schwarzenegger (Socially left). However I voted Schwarzenegger this time around because there was not a candidate who shared my faith and he was the fiscal conservative.
Does that sound better?
I didn’t want that to come of as a pius comment at all Capn. If anyone of you knew me you’d know I’m pretty much the exact opposite.
But when voting I really do consider someone’s faith. If I believe a candidates faith is similar to mine, that is going to swing me in one direction or another.The CA recall election 4 years ago is a good example of that. I voted McClintock (who I knew had no chance) over Schwarzenegger (Socially left). However I voted Schwarzenegger this time around because there was not a candidate who shared my faith and he was the fiscal conservative.
Does that sound better?
Teach a man to fish Capn.
Capn, relating to earlier post, how much did the bottom 80% put in? And the 300 was a rebate. REBATE. Cash you can use now to stimulate economic growth. You just got SOME of your refund early. Apples to apples. Leave the oranges for comparing to oranges.
Basically what Democrats are voting for is to pull down a class to attempt to build another up.Do you really think that by the GOVERNMENT (this is the GOVERNMENT!!!) taking an extra $X out of my income, that they will do more for the common good than I can with that money to either spend, and give to charity?
This is the same Government you all cry about being so evil and screwed up. The system itself isn’t going to get any better and the same local idiot working and making decisions in your state and county offices isn’t going to get any smarter by a candidate with a donkey by their name being in office vs. one with an elephant.
Cap,I thought you’d have enough sense to make the connection between tax cut and personal benefit. Clearly, you don’t.
The tax cuts greatly stimulated the economy. Companies (specifically, small business owners) had new capital to invest in equipment, marketing, buildings…
Consumers bought more stuff. Confidence grew. The resulting recession (left to us by the previous administration) was one of the shortest in history.
And those workers…went back to work. Companies hired. Unemployment fell.
And the tax cuts for the workers were up to 100%. How do you cut something more than 100%, Cap?
Dude, do you and JR share a brain?
I have an awful lot of time to post. Such is life in a Republican economy.
Golfnuts has an awful lot of time to post. Such is life when you marry money.
My wife’s parents are both retired teachers. What money?
Don’t you know Golf there’s no possible way to earn yourself into a higher standard of living on your own merits.
Ah Kia
That would be “the American dream” born around 1940 died around 1980.
I don’t know, I thought I was living it.
KIA =)
Now you’re talking. I’m livin’ it, buddy. And I’m lovin’ every day.
My parents were/are business owners, and I learned a great deal from them about making my own way in life. I think my brother learned, too. He moved to CA and started his own company (after a few years of working for someone else). Now, he’s got his own jet.
And, other than words of encouragement and a high set of standards, we both started with very little.
Well yours is a little different than mine it sounds like. But what I have is better than I was raised with and I think that’s what is at the core of the American Dream.
MrK,Baby steps are still steps in the right direction. I didn’t get what I have overnight, either.
I didn’t mean that was an insult Golf.We just aspire to different things. I don’t have the stomach to own my own business – at least not one that involves employees. I could see being my own company (Real estate investment or something.).
I sure wish I had to pay six figures in taxes.Fact is that I’m not a wealthy man.No big deal. Doesn’t keep me from enjoying life to the last drop!
On point, I kinda think that Edwards may get the nod?Fire away GOP fans!
Hey, “you people”
http://www.slate.com/id/2155501?nav=wp
My favorite website says Obama may be into political favors, ala cheezy land deals.
Oh, well. Hillary would be a good nominee. Oops, she has her own troubles with cheezy land deals. Maybe Kerry or Gore.Oops, Kerry married into money (like the Golfnut bashers like to lie about). Oh, well. That leaves Gore in ‘08!!
Gore’s a bore.Edwards is better.
His wife (Edwards) seems like a sweet lady.
MrK,Oh man, I’m in complete agreement with you re: employees. I have great workers, but I just want to spend my time making money.
Solving employee crises runs counter to that. When I was a contract DBA, I was in heaven: billing $50-60/hr and working 60-70-80 hrs/week. No employees, no overhead. And usually, I’d work at home in my shorts and flip flops.
There’s something to be said for education and the ability to think logically.
In reading the Republicans posting on this forum, the main theme that jumps out at me is how much money they make. Is this the only thing that Republicans value? I guess that is why the GOP had to get the religious nutjobs to sanction their party’s platform of greed-greed-greed?
Not to speak for all Repubs, but money, sometimes, is a kind of grade card. If one works hard, applies oneself, keeps after it, you should be able to make money. But, money isn’t everything. My wife teaches at a parochial skool and makes squat, but she wouldn’t teach at a pubic skool to save her life (or her checkbook). And she loves it. It’s really about being happy.
If money makes one miserable….I should be so cursed! HA
P.S.– I’ll make my age for the first time ever this year. I don’t know about you, but that isn’t much to brag about. It certainly ain’t rich, by anybodys definition.The greed greed greed that you people spout is stupid. Just what does that mean, anyway?
If that is true fleetwood, then why all the bragging being done about how much money Republicans make or how much stock they own? I’m just wondering because that seems to be the main point in all these Republicans talking points.
That Obama video posted WAY above sounds just like any other political drivel from any other candidate anywhere.
ALL of the candidates in any upper eschelon race (governor, congress, senate, president, etc.) are doing so for the power, prestige and influence.
Capn, who seems more like he’s speaking for the proletariat than the Democratic party, do you really think any of Democrat party nominees are out there “pulling a paycheck”? I’m sure Hillary is just living paycheck to paycheck, waiting for the Man to give her a raise.
The political system as a WHOLE is broke in the U.S.
It’s happened with Arnold in California, Jesse Ventura in Minnesota, and it could easily happen with Obama/Oprah in the White House.
The masses are ruled over by the media; you can BET that if Oprah says Obama, millions of people will take her word as Gospel.
~Dubyahttp://wichitavoice.com
The greed I am talking about is how the GOP supports employers laying off thousands of workers so that the CEO can get that million plus bonus, on top of their outrageous salary. There is something wrong when the US no longer has the mainstream corporations like we used to. We have companies being bought out by other companies to make the largest in the history of the US. Or we have well known US companies being sold to foreign countries – all in the name of making money. Where is the pride in America? Where is the pride in making sure every person working can have a decent living wage? Where is the pride of America taking care of their own?
What happened to the soul of America? It’s been sold for an extra dime – that’s what happened.
It’s not about money at all. It’s about being happy with what you’ve got.I great quote from one of the Rockefeller’s when asked how much money was enough – “Just a little more”.It’s the Dems that want to throw money at all the problems, take from the so called rich and give to the poor as if that was the simple solution to the problem.
Ah, lucee-I am afraid you are a lost cause, like capn. I happen to believe that what I earn I should be able to keep (mostly).Those companies you speak of being bought and sold, somebody smart is doing the buying and the selling. No guns are pulled out. If there are too many workers, lay offs happen. I’ve been laid off twice, both times just before Christmas. That sucked! I am still a Republican. The Democrat tax hikes may cause a lot of the lay offs you cry about.
Lucee,What’s wrong with America..is that we should focus more on individual responsibility and EARNING what you get. If you’re offended by something someone says or does, then DON’T PAY ATTENTION to it.
Playing the victim just makes you a perpetual victim.
Ah I see now – just so long as you get yours then everyone else can go to blazes right?
For the GOP to state they are the party of morals – that has to be the height of all hypocrisy. And Democrats do tend to throw money at all the problems. But they tend to throw it at a social issues, but the Republicans throw the money toward themselves.
That’s the difference. In today’s political world nothing will change until we get rid of the corrupted system. Just because you say God bless or God speed does not make you a moral person.
I’m worried about the economic status of America because we are now a debtor nation. Rarely do debtor nations get to keep their ranking as a super power.
I just think that we as a country can do better than we have been and are currently doing.
golf nut should know about playing the victim – that ploy works quite well for the Repubs when they don’t get what they want.
Like laid?
Now we know the problem?
God speed to you, lucee. And may God bless you.
Even the Devil admits there is a God, so that doesn’t mean anything.
I think you actually made a good point Luce.That’s the difference. In today’s political world nothing will change until we get rid of the corrupted system. Just because you say God bless or God speed does not make you a moral person.-True
For the GOP to state they are the party of morals – that has to be the height of all hypocrisy. And Democrats do tend to throw money at all the problems. But they tend to throw it at a social issues, but the Republicans throw the money toward themselves.-No Republicans let all of US (Republicans and Democrats) keep more of OURS. Knowing that WE can figure out a better way to use it than they would. You say yourself the system is corrupt. So why should more of OUR hard earned money go to it?
“I’ve been laid off twice, both times just before Christmas. That sucked! I am still a Republican.”
Remember that scene in “Animal House” where the rich, conservative frat pledge was bent over with his gym shorts around his ankles.
An active came along in a goth hood and smacked him repeatedly as hard as he could with a two-handed paddle.
Through gritted teeth, the pledge said, “thank you, sir, may I have another.”
That pledge grew up to be Fleettwood.
What a maroon . . .
The thing is, I didn’t blame. Who would I blame? It sucked alright, big time, but I didn’t think about (still don’t) crying to the goverment to make it all OK. I was young and single, played the system (unemployment benefits) and collected until they almost ran out, then got a job. That’s what happens when money is given away. You take as long as you can, then you get a job. There is a lesson there somewhere.
Everbody sing along:
Get a haircutand get a real job
Why can’t you belike your big brother Bob?
Yes, I am better off than when I grew up. I grew up in poverty and have worked my whole life. I believe that education is the key to improving your life but I didn’t go to college until my kids came along. I didn’t want them to have to live like I did. However not everyone is as lucky as me. As a country we are hooked on cheap goods and so all those jobs that paid a decent wage are going elsewhere. This is killing the middle class and if we keep going there will only be 2 classes the very rich and the very poor. I am amazed that some of you seem to have no love for anyone that needs help. Without the social programs to help the poor we will continue to have the social problems. I’m not saying we should just hand out money. I believe work is empowering. I saw how that works in a positive manner when we lived in Germany. Everyone on public assistance works even if all you can do is pick up trash. There was a man who worked up and down our street. He had a pointed stick and he picked up any trash along the street. He was a very proud man and felt he provided an important service. And yes I know it is a Socialist govenment. However in many ways Europe has a better quality of life than we Americans. They certainly are more progressive thinkers.