Don’t expect the new Senate Intelligence Committee to be a lot like the old one under Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kan. New Chairman Jay Rockefeller (in photo), D-W.Va., who was often at odds with Roberts, promised on CNN Radio last week that he’d have a “cleanup agenda” ready for January. “It’s not understandable to me, but the majority party sort of didn’t want to do a lot of oversight,” Rockefeller said. He sees the committee’s job as “holding people accountable, and what I hope to do is be aggressive on that.” Rockefeller also wants to expedite the interminable review of what went wrong with the prewar intelligence on Iraq and to be aggressive in reviewing the Bush administration’s warrantless eavesdropping and secret prisons. Rockefeller’s committee will be different, but will it impede or enhance national security?
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I would hope that the cleanup includes an investigation into Senator Roberts and his involvement with contractors that he refused to investigate.
What a joke. So you think Senator Wreckafellow is going to ride in on a white horse and clean house. If you do you know nothing about this man and the party he belongs to. Would this man be so hot to investigate or conduct oversight on a Democrat administration?All you need to know about Senator Jay is he is a committed one worlder. He wants a one world government and he knows that in order to achieve that goal, the U.S.A. must be brought down. With Rockefeller in charge of the Senate intelligence committee and Impeached former federal judge Alcee Hastings in charge of the House Intelligence committee, our most vital secrets will be at great risk of being devulged to people who want to destroy us.All you people who voted for change, well, you got it and I hope you choke on it.
Chris Cottrel,Oversight is the responsibility of the house and the senate. It should not be a partisan issue. If the last congress had taken oversight seriously, maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess.Rockefeller is really just doing his job. Pat Roberts failed to perform his duties.
yo chris?
Can I get some cheese with that whine?
My take is Roberts has been dragging his feet and covering alot of folks backsides.
I wonder if the shredders are running round the clock?
A committed one-worlder???
I’m always fascinated when these conspiracy wackos crawl out from under their rocks and spout this inane crap. It would be amusing if it wasn’t so idiotic.
Uh, Chris, are you saying that Rockefeller is part of the PNAC?
There is your one-worlder group, power and dictator of the world. And many Republicans are members.If that is how you really feel, against the ‘new world order’, I suggest you change parties and fast.
My hope is that Rockefeller will be bringing the PNAC group to their knees.
The PNAC is pretty scary stuff alright, but having members of the Government as part of it is downright terrifying.
These Republicans that decry one worlders really should learn their history and not try to rewrite it as most of them have done.
I remember Daddy Bush saying the New World Order line several times during his reign.
But this New World Order has nothing to do with actual countries in power – it is about the Corporate World Order. Very select corporations will be in control of the world and hell be damned if the people in the world get in the way of one penny of their blood profits!
The Religious Right in the US gave carte blanche to this theory and they are now the ones crying about the Democrats and their one worlders? What a crock!
If the Republicans are the party of “moral values” then I would think that they welcome the investigations into ‘who knew what and when did they know it’ Or is that moral values platform just a ploy to get stupid sheeple to follow them?
Sunny is there nothing the Religious Right is not responsible for? They gave care blanche for what? You spout sentences like they are facts. The same intelligence Bush used was used by Clinton to say that Iraq should be overthrown. Look it up. Will RockAFellow look into that or just start with the current administration? I think not.
If you’re referring to this Act signed by Clinton, it’s a long ways from what we have. And, was never intended to be a precursor to what we now have. http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/US/Legislation/ILA.htm
I am looking forward to see all the crimes of the Bush administration exposed. I also look forward to seeing their chief enabler Pat Roberts exposed for the Bush shill that he is.
I see bad times for Kansas as Roberts and Tiahrt become increasingly marginalized. Both of these men have chose the extreme partisan path. Hopefully Sam Brownback’s bipartisanship will help Kansas.
Senator Roberts promised that the investigation into the Presidents pre-invasion knowledge v. his public statements was nearly “complete.”
To put that in simple terms – did the Bush lie to the American public?
Now that the Democrats control the committee, I am looking forward to that report being released.
In my view, Bush knew that there was not proof of WMD. Bush knew that there was no Iraq – al Qaeda connection. Bush knew that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.
If the report shows definitively that Bush lied to the American public, then he and Cheney should be impeached and removed from office.
We often forget that the President and Vice President serve with our permission – if they have deliberately failed our trust, then we have no other choice but to see that they are removed.
Grm, Clinton even SAID during the runup to the invasion of Iraq, that he would NOT support the way Bush was going about it.
Don’t believe me, look it up.
It’s one thing to make a statement when you are out of office and not responsible for the welfare of a nation when making decisions. Clinton was the first ex-president, Carter was the second, who publically critizes the decisions of the setting president. I may not agree with the way the Iraq war is going but I do agree that we need to finish the job we started. I’m not giving Bush a pass, just saying that he had tough decisions to make and based on the intel we had at that time, both Clintons and John Kerry would have made the same decision. Look at their past statements. Arm chair quarterbacks are a dime a dozen and as the song says free advise is worth the price you pay.
So how did Iraq affect the welfare of America, before the invasion?
It didn’t – in any way.
Saddam was absolutely no threat to the US – for God’s sake, he couldn’t even control the Kurds in the north of Iraq.
When Clinton advocated regime change in Iraq, Saddam had refused to allow the inspectors to do their jobs. When Bush invaded Iraq, the inspectors had to leave Iraq to avoid being caught in the crossfire.
They were doing their jobs and they were proving that Saddam had no WMD.
If I give you $500 to clean up your backyard and you choose to use the money to buy a chain saw and cut down all the trees, does that mean I support your decision to clear cut?
Hell, no!
….Especially since you have left the debris for the next homeowner to clean up.
Bush received an authorization to use whatever force was necessary to contain Saddam – it was not a declaration of war. The inspectors would have soon proven what we all suspected, that Saddam was a paper tiger.
As for Kerry? John Kerry has absolutely no credibility with the left. Zero. He rolled over for the Swift Boaters and lost an election that he should have won.
John Kerry lost his (insert) a long time ago.
He might call himself a Democrat, but no Dem in his right mind will claim him.
He has a lot of ground to make up before he is viewed without suspicion by the left.
Chris C–
Whoa, dude! Thanks for the whacked out conspiracy theory. I’ve heard that tinfoil worn on the head keeps the UN from monitoring your brain waves.
But on a serious note, did the asylum let the inmates have “computer day?” Well, enjoy, and don’t forget to take your lithium.
As for Rockefeller, oh YEAH! BABY, YEAH!
Hopefully, the lies will not only take down Worst President Ever, but also his willing idiot, Pat Roberts.
Brownback bipartisan? in the same sentence?
Dennis – YES. I know it comes as a surprise to many of us on the ‘left’ but if you look you will see Brownback in issues of AIDS, hunger, prison reform and rehabilitation, Darfur, etc, on the same side as Barack Obama. I think he has found the ‘rest of the story’ on his Catholic Christian faith – clothe and naked and feed the hungry.
I don’t know that I would support Brownback for president but I salute him for ‘crossing the aisle’ on these issues.
I agree with Ben, I have taken notice of some of the good things Brownback has done, but that still doesn’t mean I want him in office.
I think there are people who are just as capable of doing good work without the church/state melding issue that Brownback has.
That is true P-Mom but he does bring an important dimension to the discussion. I think he will be an important member of the Senate in the coming session.
Yeah, he is a true Capper’s Weekly kind of guy. Hmmm, isn’t that where his money came from? I’ll give him credit for being clever enough to marry into the Stauffer fortune. Never hurts to have rich in-laws.
Ksgrm(Kansas Germ, I assume),Simply put – wait for the hearings. There have been many lies alreay proven – proven by the admissions of Bush and Cheney.Hell, Condomleeza Rice held the pre-911 warning in her Liberace hands and did nothing. Imagine, if your doctor had test results that said your earlobes were falling off…but because of his education he decided he knew more and chose not to prevent such a calamity.How is it that we, all sides, have let Bush, Cheney and Rice get away with such imcompetent judgment. There are no WMD’s, there was no link of Iraq and 911, there WAS a pre-911 warning. You would not let the principle of your childrens school, your doctor, your priest, anyone within your control zone get away with such blatant incompetence and horrendous mistakes…but you will let the POTUS and his advisors just fuck things up left and right and you will blindly defend them. Hell, Bush has already admitted to enough that he should be impeached. If it is proven that he manufactured this war…I think he should be tried for war crimes. Ks Germ – he is that bad.Make a blowjob seem so much easier to deal with, doesn’t it.Jim
Let me get this straight. The emerging one world government is the product of the “tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy kooks”, but the religious right is a clear and present danger to America? Whoa, nothing like looking one direction while the real threat is coming from the other. Tell me again who the stupid sheeple are.But seriously folks, I agree their is a Republican element to the one world order plan. I’ll even agree with Political Mom that there is a corporate element also. Fact is, political labels and parties mean very little to these folks. Yes Bush 41 is a committed one worlder as is Carter and both Clintons. As for Bush 43, the jury is still out. I personally believe he is not, but a lot of the people close to him are, especially the retreads from “Daddy Bushes” administration that are being brought in now to try and bail junior out. Just remember, the witch hunts that the Dems are soon going to embark on are not intended to save the Constitution or our precious civil liberties. They are intending to force a humiliating early withdrawal from Iraq that will destabilize the entire middle east and light the fuse of W.W.III
Chris asks, “The emerging one world government is the product of the ‘tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy kooks’, but the religious right is a clear and present danger to America?”
The short answer to your question is “yes, absolutely yes.”
The American Taliban are forcing their so-called religious views into public policy everyday in every way.
The “one world government” is a big scary non-entity. The UN can’t even kick little tiny Israel out of the West Bank, but they can take over THE WORLD!
Yeah, right.
Tell Nurse Ratchet “hello” for us here on the blog. And don’t forget “medication time.”
Humiliating withdrawl? We’re already humiliated. We might have already STARTED WWIII. Right now, we’re not part of the solution, we’re part of the problem.
Yes you are, I agree, YOU are part of the problem. People that go to sites like moveon.org and believe in movies like Farenheit 911 are a big problem. All you care about is winning a silly little argument while the enemy is laughing at your naivity. Look at the little NAIVE AMERICANS. You would not know hate unless it bit you on the butt. You are so full of hate for even your own kind, an American, which is, by the way, a diverse group of people that came from different regions, religion and race. When you put down America, you are not just putting down the white people from Europe but the Asians, Mexicans, African(white & black), you name it. If you don’t want to protect America, you are throwing them out the door too. Quit arguing just for the sake of arguing. Find a solution and do something about it. Thank God we still live in a country that allows Freedom of Speech but let’s use a little bit of common sense and logic and WORK TOGETHER. Remember, United We Stand, Divided We Fall. You know the enemy is relying on the latter.
C-Mom,Incredibly well-said.
Thank you.
“a silly little argument”
Being against a completely unnecessary war that has cost us 100’s of billions and 2,900 American lives, not to mention the cost that the Iraqi people are bearing is a “silly little argument?”
Damn, what do you consider to be a “good large argument?”
“concerned mom”?
I do not want to stand with you. I don’t want to stand anywhere near you because I think you are batshit crazy.
Proof? Golfnuts likes you.
Concerned Mom, I share your concerns about the impression we give our enemies when many of our citizens seem to be partisans first and foremost, rather than Americans.
It undoubtedly gives our enemies hope and encouragement when they see Americans agreeing with them.
I too am concerned when people put Party first and America after. Like these BushBots who refuse to see that their leader has screwed America with his FUBARed invasion based on lies. Like Pat Roberts when he participates in an attempt to cover up the lies.
Hopefully, the truth will come out now. Let the chips fall where they may.
Concerned Mom and the people who egg her on–
That was perhaps the stupidest post I’ve read since Ian mercifully stopped posting for awhile.
We liberals do not want to tear America down. We want America to live up to its ideals.
We want America to do what it says it believes in–peace, justice, truth, equality, democracy.
Bush (TM) and his Republican enablers have made a mockery out of each one of those ideals.
Peace–the unnecessary war in Iraq.
Justice–political access for sale viz a viz Jack Abramoff, Tom Delay corruption, no bid contracts to Halliburton, Cheney makes millions
Truth–”we don’t want the final proof, the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud over an American city” . . . “those Americans who say we didn’t find the WMD’s were wrong, we found them, we found them.” GW Bush (TM)
Equality–the rich get richer and the poor poorer every single year that Bush (TM) has been president
Democracy–the stolen election of 2000 in which Bush gave not a damn about the will of the majority but only cared if he ‘won.’ The “democracy” in Iraq based on US tanks and guns.
And outlander, f*ck you, I mean f*ck you very much for saying that to disagree with the radical right agenda aids and abets the enemy.
F*ck you.
This American is never going to get silenced by that kind of facist argument.
Despicable.
Capn <– perpetually proving the points made by myself, C-mom and others.
concerned mom
“You would not know hate unless it bit you on the butt. You are so full of hate…”
Conflicted statement. Implication that one full of “hate” cannot recognize/comprehend “hate”
Fatal logic flaw.
Your future is cancelled.
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What a crock Capn. The Dems sure are off to a great start with corruption poster boys Jack Murtha and Alcee Hastings.
And the lies about the alleged lies. You are a shameless shill who twists words to your own purpose.
Oh, and as to the “f -you”, it is truly an HONOR for me that you disagree with me enough to say that.
KSGolfnut
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Your future is cancelled.
Wow, I didn’t know that I was going to get such aggressive comments. I never mentioned liberals or republicans or any of that stuff everyone has been saying. It seems a lot of you are full of hate. I was always told that the surest sign that someone is losing an argument is when they resort to childish name calling and using profanity. I simply stated that we are all Americans and we should care about our country before our political affiliation. Politics tends to change over the course of time, one day you may be a democrat and the next a republican. If you tend to separate America with politics then you could separate America. That would be a foolish thing for us to do since we have come such a long way. P.S. CapnAmerica, Maybe you ought to think about getting a new handle, Captain America stands for All that is good about America. Might I suggest “Potty Mouth”.
I am also concerned about all the politicization as evidenced by Pat Roberts’ coverup of misdeeds by a president of his Party. He allowed his partisanship stand in the way of seeking the truth about the war.
The past 6 years have been extremely partisan with one Party setting the entire agenda shutting the other Party out of the discussions. I fear that such partisanship will now come home to roost with at least some of the Partisans.
This past 6 years came on the heels of a partisan impeachment over a rather inconsequential blow job. Hopefully the Democrats will not stoop to that level, even though the crimes this time are much more consequential.
When you can’t deal with the arguments, go for the ‘language.’
The real obscenity is Bush (TM) and you shills that back him.
I support anyone who supports American ideals and I oppose anyone who opposes them.
Murtha got shot down. Non-issue. So will Alcee Hastings.
Bush kills 100,000 Iraqis and 3,000 American soldiers, and you’re response is “Alcee Hastings.”
And anybody who disagrees with you is drinking Osama’s bathwater.
Screw that and screw you.
“We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.” Edward R. Murrow
“Bush kills 100,000 Iraqis” more like 600,000
Boy, the RepubliCONs sure believe in “non partisanship” all of a sudden.
For six long years, they told us to “shut up and get over it, losers.”
Now that the shizen has hit the fan, it’s time for healing and working together.
Yup, more “do as I say, not as I do” RepubliCONism.
CM first says I wouldn’t know hate if it bit me on the butt, but then turns around and says I’m full of hate.
Interesting. Isn’t that called an oxyMORON.
I’m a very concerned mom too, concerned about what the fundies and neocons have done to our country.
Oh and CMom, next time you call the war a silly little problem, be standing in front of a soldier’s mother when you do.
PMom, the “silly little argument” wasn’t about the war, it was about Rockefeller. So you must be one of those leftists, I can tell by the way everything always circles back to the war. Anyway, this thread has gotten way off of the subject. I think I will leave it now. Hope you all have fun.
marcie – the whole Rockefeller thing revolves around the war. That is what the committee was supposedly investigation but Roberts has kept bottled up.