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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Nov. 4, 2006 at 1:05 a.m.
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Did anyone watch 20/20 last night? That was such a disgusting example of Texan justice. A young black was convicted of robbing a white guy with a gun, took his 2 dollars out of his bill fold and returned his wallet to him. Got 10 yr. probation, broke probation by smoking pot, and got life.The son of the minister of the First Baptist Church in Waco, hired a male prostitute, wanted a partial refund, got into a fight with him, and shot him in the back, and killed him. He got 10 yrs. probation, broke probation by using cocaine, was allowed to remain free. Even later was allowed to report to his probation officer once a yr. by mail. Is now off probation with no charge on his record. Same judge in both cases. The judge is running for re-election, I sure hope he loses.
Did you catch the O’Reilley Factor last night? The subject was “Killing Babies in America”. Tiller was featured and an interview with Phill Kline.
If you missed it go to http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/then click on “Talking Points”.
Makes you wonder where the crack Eagle investigative staff has been. O”Reilley has evidence that dozens of 10 to 15 year old girls had abortions at Tiller’s clinic and NO reporting to authorities. Late term abortions with the sole justifications of “temporary depression”. No wonder Tiller has spent all of that politcal contribtion money trying to keep his dirty secrets hidden.
So how about it Eagle. Why nothing from you on this? Phill Kline is on to a pattern of of possibly illegal behavior and not only have you reported nothing, you are working to keep it hidden with the false pretense of privacy concerns. Embarrasing isn’t it?
How about you Mr. Morrison. What would you do if elected? Would you help stop this travesty? Or would you protect the predators who have abused these young girls?
Until we hear from you differently, as far as I am concerned, a vote for Paul Morrison is a vote for George Tiller.
You will actually need to click on “Watch Talking Points” to right of the video screen.
Eagle’s story on the O’Reily – Kline interview at:
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/15927783.htm
What I find interesting about O’Reilley’s show is that he obtained records from Kline’s office that were supposedly under seal. Kline denies that he approved the release of these supposedly sealed records to the media; however someone in Kline’s office obviously did so. So. with the apparently illegal leaks of this information we have only O’Reilley’s interpretation (spin) of them rather than a careful analysis.
Why was this information passed on to O’Reilley? Was it not supposed to be under seal? I don’t know the full story behind these abortions; what I do know is that selected release and political spin-interpretation is, if not illegal, at least sleazy.
Funny thing is, Kline actually had a good ad on last night. I only caught part of it (I was in the kitchen) but he spoke of appearing in front of the Supreme Court etc. He was telling me why I should vote for him; not why he hates Morrison. I wonder, if Kline had run more such ads earlier in the campaign, might he be leading now rather than trailing?
Thanks JM …
Maybe Kline better find out about that which he claims “”I don’t know what he’s referring to,”":
“O’Reilly said on the program Friday night that a source told his show abortion providers were performing late-term abortions because the women were depressed, a mental-health risk he said was insufficient. He also said dozens of abortions were done on girls ages 10 to 15 that were not reported to authorities.
O’Reilly interrupted: “Our information says that on almost every medical sheet — obviously we have a source inside here — it says depression. So, I don’t know whether you have that information or not, I don’t know, but that’s what it says.”Kline said the medical records he sought are under seal.”I don’t know what he’s referring to,” he said at a political rally in Wichita when asked about O’Reilly’s reference to getting the records from an inside source.”
Hmmmm…They could have come from anyone in the process. Regardless the records have all identifying information redacted, per court order.
Let’s keep our eye on the ball here.
Posted by: hmmm … | November 04, 2006 at 08:02 AM
“I don’t know what he’s referring to,” he said at a political rally in Wichita when asked about O’Reilly’s reference to getting the records from an inside source.”
It’s probably from an ex-employee or perhaps a disgruntled legal clerk from the law firm hired by Tiller told to purge the records of private information would be my guess.
The legal clerk/lawyer hired by Tiller would more than likely be the best guess as they knew exactly what records that were involved.
Either that or someone who actually pulled/annotated the records in the Tiller Clinic.
My last guess would be an outside transscription agency. Sometimes medical records are sent to a medical wordprocessing and coding center to eliminate the mundane administration chores.
Some of those wordprocessing and coding centers are even overseas in places like India.
Yes, lets keep our eye on the ball. It was predicted that these records would end up in the wrong hands; they did.
I hope there is a full FEDERAL investigation of this.
By the way, when did YOU get them since you seem so sure that they have been properly redacted. The Court order pertaining to sealing them has been violated; what other court orders have been similarly ignored?
“O’Reilly — obviously we have a source inside here.”
I don’t think Kline’s friend is talking about someone inside Tiller’s office.
Hmmm….IMHO, you have strange priorities. Personally, I would rather stand for the TRUTH
How about the TRUTH about the “source”. I’d like the TRUTH too; I doubt that I will get it from a right-wing talk-show host.
It looks like the neocons want to take a mulligan on Iraq. Apparently the damage done to neoconservatism by linking up with an obvious idiot cum ideologue like George Bush is something they regret deeply — deeply! — and was just something they missed. Whiff. Major oversight, sorry.
Too bad, because there were LOTS of us who saw it clearly in 2002.
Now they’re begging for a do-over, although being the burrowing insects they are it looks like they’re willing to wait a generation to pop the question again.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/12/neocons200612?currentPage=1———————————-
My favorite quote from the website’s teaser, among many juicy ones:
*Frank Gaffney, an assistant secretary of defense under Ronald Reagan and founder of the Center for Security Policy: “[Bush] doesn’t in fact seem to be a man of principle who’s steadfastly pursuing what he thinks is the right course. He talks about it, but the policy doesn’t track with the rhetoric, and that’s what creates the incoherence that causes us problems around the world and at home. It also creates the sense that you can take him on with impunity.”*
LOL. This is also why Britons think that Bush is more dangerous than Kim Jong Il. It’s the blowhard factor, the all hat and no cattle factor that he shares with KIm. It’s why Kim and Ahmadinejad and now even Maliki are willing to confront Bush head on: it’s easy to see that he’s incapable of backing up his rhetoric with action.
Did Jan Beemer have to spend any time in prison for her domestic assault? Just wondering if anyone knew?
Another:
“Michael Ledeen, American Enterprise Institute freedom scholar: ‘Ask yourself who the most powerful people in the White House are. They are women who are in love with the president: Laura [Bush], Condi, Harriet Miers, and Karen Hughes.’”
LOL. It’s the loyalty, stupid.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/12/neocons200612?currentPage=2
Now O’Reilley wants his nannies to protect us from horror movies:
“Bill O’Reilly Wants to Ban Horror Movies (and is a Moron)Posted Nov 3rd 2006 12:30PM by Scott WeinbergFiled under: Horror
You know Bill O’Reilly? That stuffed shirt knee-jerk reactionist / sexual harrassment expert? Yeah, that guy. Well, Bill has finally discovered that there’s a thing out there called A Horror Movie, and get this: He wants to ban them. Yep, O’Reilley threatens to “look into it” at the tail-end of this moronic video clip in which some wifty psychologist and some puritan author spend about six minutes boo-hoo-hooing over the shameless gruesome nastiness of movies like Saw, Hostel and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Look out, Lionsgate! Bill O’Reilly plans to “look into” horror movies and, I guess, put a stop to the durn things, consarnit! Stockholders beware!
Words like “sickening” are tossed around the studio as the three overwhelmingly ill-informed hand-wringers ramble on, poorly covering a subject that they know nothing about. O’Reilly even states that this type of horror “could never have happened in America ten years ago,” blissfully ignorant to the fact that gore flicks have been around since (at least) the days of Herschell Gordon Lewis. (Like, the 1960s!)
Billy’s guests are Dr. Virginia Klein, “a psychotherapist,” and James Hirsen, the smug author of a book called Hollywood Nation — a book that has a piece of effusive front-cover blurbage from none other than Michael Medved. (As if that’s a person you want praise from.) So obviously Bill is really interested in covering both sides of the Horror Movie argument. Sheesh. Klein seems to claim that the only people who like Saw 3 are those who “are on tranquilizers” or “like toys.” (Don’t feel bad; I don’t have any idea what she’s talking about either.) Dr. Klein ends up a total wiffle-ball washout, and here’s why: The “psychology” of horror flicks is so simple that I don’t even feel the need to explain it here — but she STILL gets it completely wrong! She blathers and blithers for a few minutes before Billy Boy shoots it on over to Mr. Hirsen, the “Hollywood Insider.” Ahem.
Hirsen’s insights into the realm of “extreme horror” are as such: Horror fans refer to the goods at “ultra-violence.” We do? Hey Hirsen: Ever heard of A Clockwork Orange? Came out in 1971? Ever heard of Kubrick? Give it a rent one day. It delivers some actual insight into the nature of violence, and no, there’s no Cliff’s Notes, sorry. Hirsen also bemoans the fact that the hardcore horror movies take place in “an amoral universe in which you can’t tell who the good guys are and the bad guys are.” THIS is a guy who actually writes about film? Did he actually just imply that movies have no business dealing in that grey moral area between white-hatted heroes and mustache-twirling villains? Whaaat? And he has the stones to go on FOX NEWS and use the phrase “amoral universe”?? Holy freakin’ macaroni, who allowed this clip to air on national television? It’s so inept I’m almost embarrassed for the participants; they even have the balls to say that our young horror filmmakers are celebrated “because of money.” As if there’s any other gauge of value in Hollywood besides money. Nope, just in the horror gerne, I suppose. Very insightful, fellas. Eli Roth should apologize for his success, but Adam Shankman is the next Billy Wilder because his flicks make money? Whatever.
And then there’s O’Reilly himself. Y’know, I’ve always been more than content to simply ignore O’Reilly, but he’s so ill-prepared and obtuse in this clip… He yearns for the old horror movies like Dracula and Frankenstein — not because they’re beautifully made and grimly effective pieces of cinema, but because they “cut away” from the violent material. Brilliant. He then goes on to describe a few generic atrocities that may or may not appear in the Saw series (”Eyeballs gouged out! Hands being lopped off! women being defiled!”) before casually reminding his viewers that Fox also makes horror movies. (Way to cover your ass there, Bill.) The raving dolt even implies that Warner Brothers has to come out and “explain” and apologize for why they made The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And yet Sony doesn’t have to “explain” why they made White Chicks? Fox doesn’t deserve a nationally-televised rap on the knuckles from O’Reilly the Holy for that last Lindsay Lohan flick? Please.
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/11/03/bill-oreilly-wants-to-ban-horror-movies-and-is-a-moron/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cinematical.com%2F2006%2F11%2F03%2Fbill-oreilly-wants-to-ban-horror-movies-and-is-a-moron%2F&frame=true
Is anybody enjoying watching the white house back away from from Ted Haggard the way it backed away from Kenny Boy Lay by saying he wasn’t really a friend, that he had no influence in the WH? The cold bastards cut and run the first second anything that exposes them for the scum they are shows up.
Friend of the white house? Friend of George Bush? Run, run, run. They’ll stab you in the back in a milisecond.
Falwell denies knowing Haggard”
“Falwell: “Does Not Know” Haggard; Kuo Has “Contempt for Evangelicals””
BUT …
When will these people learn that the internet archives virtually everything from (at least) the past five years?! This is Dick I’ve-Never-Met John-Edwards Cheney2003 email that Ted Haggard sent out describing his trip to Washington DC to witness President Bush as he signed the Partial Birth Abortion Act of 2003: all over again From a
“[…] I sat with those from the Senate and House who voted for the bill, and afterward was escorted to the President’s motorcade and taken to the White House. I and seven others were able to spend 55 minutes with the President in the Oval office discussing any issue we liked…
Attending the private meeting with the President were Rev. Jerry Falwell from Liberty University, Janet Parshall, author and host of the nationally syndicated radio broadcast “Janet Parshall’s America,” Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) President Dr. Jack Graham, former SBC President Dr. Adrian Rogers, American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) Chief Counsel Jay Sekulow, National Religious Broadcasters President Frank Wright, and President of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission Dr. Richard Land.”
From The Carpetbagger Report :
“Haggard was listed by Time magazine as one of the 25 most influential Evangelicals in America last year, and this is one of a handful of religious leaders with immediate access to the Bush White House. Harper’s recently wrote, “No pastor in America holds more sway over the political direction of evangelicalism than does Pastor Ted.”"
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/11/03/falwell-never-met-haggard-kuo-has-contempt-for-evangelicals/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crooksandliars.com%2F2006%2F11%2F03%2Ffalwell-never-met-haggard-kuo-has-contempt-for-evangelicals%2F&frame=true
Right-wingers cutting-and-running from Bush?
Conservatives challenge Iraq policyBARRY SCHWEIDAssociated PressWASHINGTON – A leading conservative proponent of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq now says dysfunction within the Bush administration has turned U.S. policy there into a disaster. Richard Perle, who chaired a committee of Pentagon policy advisers early in the Bush administration, said had he seen at the start of the war in 2003 where it would go, he probably would not have advocated an invasion to depose Saddam Hussein. Perle was an assistant secretary of defense under President Reagan.
“I probably would have said, ‘Let’s consider other strategies for dealing with the thing that concerns us most, which is Saddam supplying weapons of mass destruction to terrorists,’” he told Vanity Fair magazine in its upcoming January issue.
Meanwhile, the Military Times Media Group, a Gannett Co. subsidiary that publishes Army Times and other military-oriented periodicals, said Friday it was calling for Bush to fire Rumsfeld. An editorial due to be published Monday says active-duty military leaders are beginning to voice misgivings about the war’s planning and execution and dimming prospects for success. It declares that “Rumsfeld has lost credibility with the uniformed leadership, with the troops, with Congress and with the public at large.”
The editorial concludes by saying that regardless of which party wins in next week’s election, the time has come “to face the hard bruising truth: Donald Rumsfeld must go.”
more …
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/15924936.htm
hmmmmm,
Perhaps it’s someone inside OR? That makes perfect sense, considering the timing.
JM is going off on a fictional trip, making uninformed guesses, just as I did in mine above. Neither of us knows, and O’Reilly obviously isn’t saying.
If, indeed, it was someone in either Kline’s office or Tiller’s, something should be done, including stopping leaks of information that is considered private and looking into the abortion case itself. I’d say Kline believes he’s doing the latter.
One thing I noticed in O’Reilly and Kline’s comments was that neither indicated that depression was listed as the reason for abortion. Kline never said that, and O’Reilly only said that “on almost every medical sheet” “it says depression.”
Parsing words? Only because they seem to be covering their asses enough to make some people believe something they never said. They are being very careful.
The second thing is, O’Reilly never said he has seen the records, only that his source is telling him. That would let HIM off the hook regarding viewing the records. However, the rest is heresay.
O’Reilly doesn’t have proof of anything. When there is proof, let him speak out. Until then, it’s all unproven allegations on his part, fueled by his source.
Typical O’Leilly.
I thought that a good prosecuter would be against trying a case in the media.
Here is what I find rather ironic in all this. There may well be things that need to be investigate both in regard to late-term abortions and abortions on minors. However, by involving O’Reilley Kline has made it strictly political. Now much of the focus will lilely be on Kline’s office and its “source” for O’Reilley. Instead, these matters should be being investigated but not in the press.
In some ways this reminds me of Rush’s isiocy with Fox. Because of what Rush chose to do the focus was on Rush’s play-acting rather than on questions about adult vs embrionic stem-cell research. Amazingly dumb!
Well, if Kline has a case that Tiller broke the law, then he should prosecute.
If he doesn’t, he should shut up.
No way am I going to believe anything said on the O’Lielly Show.
Kline isn’t a “whistle blower.” He’s the AG. If he can’t or won’t do it, then so be it.
A whisper campaign by the most powerful prosecutor in the state shows that they want to score points but not actually do anything.
Hey, that’s Republicanism in a nutshell.
To Ben Huie and anyone else interested in alt. fuels.
VeraSun to squeeze ethanol, biodiesel from same corn
Ethanol producer VeraSun Energy has said it will build a plant that can produce biodiesel from the oil from distillers’ grains–the waste product from ethanol.
http://earthlink.com.com/2100-11395_3-6132547.html?part=earthlink
Heckler, thanks for the link. I’m no expert in alternative fuels, but what is exciting is the “dual use” of the corn. Perhaps that will make the net cost of production of ethanol and biodiesel from the same mass of raw material competitive.
I believe I have stated on earlier threads my concerns over the potential environmental costs of ethanol production, i.e., water pollution, this being why I would hope alternative fuels research could be directed into other areas as well. However, I recognize that “short term”, ethanol, etc., is a way to help bridge the gap.
Time for Rumsfeld to go …
Army Times to call for Rumsfeld’s resignation
(CNN) — An editorial to be published Monday in independent publications that serve the four main branches of the U.S. military will call for President Bush to replace Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
“Basically, the editorial says, it’s clear now, from some of the public statements that military leaders are making, that he’s lost the support and respect of the military leadership,” said Robert Hodierne, senior managing editor for the publications’ parent company Army Times Publications.
“That they’re starting to go public with that now, with their disagreements, added up with all of the other missteps we believe he’s made, that it’s time for him to be replaced,” Hodierne.
Army Times Publications publishes the Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and the Marine Corps Times.
It is the second time the publications have called for Rumsfeld to resign.
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/11/04/army-times-to-callfor-rumsfeld-resignation/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2006%2FPOLITICS%2F11%2F03%2Frumsfeld.resign%2F&frame=true
Army Times must be an America-hating terrorist-loving publication.
Nathan, and anyone else in Iraq: our media reports are full of the expectation of increased violence, attacks, what have you when the Hussein verdicts are announced tomorrow. I know I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know. but this is my fervent wish that you all stay safe, and return home (whenever that may be) without injury, physical or psychological.
Vaughn
I agree with your concerns about ethanol, especially from corn. But if you can get a dual use from it and you can sell it at a competitive price I say go for it.
On second thought it already had a second use- livestock feed. Hmmmm…maybe not so good after all, unless they were throwing away the distillers grains.
Seems to me a good AG would be trying to find out who gave O’Reilly the information.
Heck, I agree with your thoughts about going for it. I have no link to anything to substantiate this, but it is my recollection from something(s) I have read that the distiller’s grain is in essence “given away” for feed, as there is just so much of it. Maybe someone out there can confirm or disabuse me of this thought.
Steve,
Your first post above is interesting. I have a friend who lives in Waco, and she’s told me horror stories about “Texas Justice.”
In Texas, money and connections talk, along with the color of your skin.
Steve and RD, I would humbly suggest that the disparate results in the two cases are a reflection of the fact that trial judges in Texas are popularly elected. While I am a proponent of an appointed judiciary, modeled on the Federal system, I will be among the first to admit there are problems with that system, too. No, I have not a perfect solution; perhaps a thread for another time.
“Army Times must be an America-hating terrorist-loving publication.”
Posted by: hmmm … | November 04, 2006 at 11:40 AM
Army Times Publishing Company is a part of Gannett Company, Inc.which among dozens of civilian based newspapers, radio and tv stations also has a financial cooperation investment scheme with US Knight Ridder newspaper group …which was purchased by the McClatchy Group which owns the Wichita Eagle.
No thread on the disastrous Iraq adventure?
Conservatives Challenge Iraq Policyhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061104/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_critics_5
Thanks JM – that explains why they hate America – NOT!
“Steve and RD, I would humbly suggest that the disparate results in the two cases are a reflection of the fact that trial judges in Texas are popularly elected.”
No kidding, Vaughn.
RD – Perle and the rest are also America-hating terrorist-lovers.
hmmmm,
LOL At least they’re speaking out in an effort to get some constructive done, instead of the total destructive course we’re on now.
Keep in mind that the more we have like them speaking out, the more Bushbots will start to question their hero.
Vaughn and Heckler,
Isn’t it true that ethanol burns much faster than gasoline?
Ben Vaughn RD
RD
Ethanol only has about 70% as many BTU’s per gallon as Gasoline, thus you fuel mileage is much lower burning E85 than gasoline
Interesting article about the energy suituation in Brazil. I always heard that they were energy independent because of ethanol. Not so according to this article.
Brazilian Ethanol Fantasies
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?dd42f799-13c4-4afe-a902-eca713bec807
Interesting situation with terror SUSPECTS: The US wants to deny them legal representation because the ‘questioning techniques’ are top secret. The government fears that attorneys might tell people how suspects are being treated. A further implication of this is that, even if 100% cleared, they must be held forever. After all, they might tell the world what happened to them in our secret prisons:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15539945/
Pork feeding frenzy at the public trough in Iraq – courtesy US taxpayers:
Contractors rarely penalized for misdeedsFirms operating in Iraq take advantage of loopholes and lax oversight
WASHINGTON – The list of alleged contractor misdeeds in Iraq has grown long in the past 3 1/2 years. Yet when it comes to holding companies accountable, the charges seldom stick.
Critics say that because of legal loopholes, flaws in the contracting process, a lack of interest from Congress and uneven oversight by investigative agencies, errant contractors have faced few sanctions for their work in Iraq.And the inspector general’s office credited with doing the most to root out waste and fraud is scheduled to go out of business by next October.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15538359/
As an attorney, the following article bothers me greatly:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/04/terrorism.detainees.ap/index.html
With that said, I understand the need for security, and nondisclosure of properly classified techniques, etc. However, to the extent that any statement, etc. made by the suspect was due to duress, torture, or other unlawful means, he should be presented with the opportunity to make the claim, it being the duty of the finder of fact to determine the credibility of the assertion.
I find it interesting of the timing for Bill O’Reilly’s show about abortion clinics and the fact that Kline’s office just received those requested abortion records.
Just too convenient – don’t you think?
Obviously O’Reilly is using Kline and Kline is using Bill O’Reilly to ignite his REligouis Wackos to go vote for him on Tuesday.
This is why medical records have been private and confidential for years.
Lucee,
I’ve been thinking the same thing about the timing. It’s as fishy as the rest of it.
Obsessively I have a inside source, that Outlander is a Chicken, possibly a Road island red.From a report that has a loose reference to a possible court document, there are numerous witnesses that state they have seen Outlander by the eggs section at a local grocery store over the past year. Though Outlander has stated he was not looking at the eggs but walking pass to get to the bread section. The witnesses have speculated that is seem Outlander may have been visiting some children.
Farther from a report that has a loose reference to a possible court document, feathers have been found somewhere around Outlander’s home. Though feather of all sort are often used in the making of pillows, stuffing, and the like. It could be farther proof that Outlander is a chicken! Or so this reporter will wildly speculate! Proof, the truth? I work for Fox news and neither have anything to do with what I report! No the fact is that I am hungry and would like some fried eggs and chicken and noodles. And since I work for Fox news it is just easier for me to spin reality to suit my vision of reality then it is to face reality.
The AG of Kansas who also wishes he had some fried eggs and chicken and noodles. Also want to spin reality to have Outlander be a chicken. “The truth be heck, I believe Outlander is a chicken and will not be sidetracked by the fact that there is not proof to begin with to make me suspect that in fact Outlander is a chicken!”. In a follow up interview, the AG said that he has no idea where the fox reporter may have gotten the report that has a loose reference to a possible court document. And though he admits that the available evidence does not point to Outlander being a chicken. He has suspected that outlander may have for some time been laying eggs and scratching at the ground. “Just because there is no proof that outlander is a chicken does not mean he has not been laying eggs!”.
writerdog – was Paul seen there too? Maybe something else in those “reports with a loose reference to a possible court document”?
Interesting how quickly this information got from Kline’s office to O’Reilley – especially since they were supposed to be under seal!
If O’riley did get his hands on sealed records, wouldn’t that make them worthless as evidence in a crime? Since they need a warrant to unseal them?
This was my reply to a poster on the discussion board who spin this issue to support his view.************************First off there is a bit of the reasoning that has been left out, “or mental impairment” as to justification for a late term abortion. Second is Phil Kline the Attorney General of Kansas, of Operation Rescue, or the O’Riley factor? What would he be doing on a talk show revealing seal court documents? If he or his office are not the source for O’Riley stating that in the documents saying the reason for the late term was “depression”. Who was and how did they get sealed records that were only turned over a few days ago to the A.G. office?
Oh I know, “Two wrongs DO make a right!”, the laws are not there to protect the citizens but to be used to insure a Police state. Before you make that argument that it is far more important to expose a evil Doctor that is killing the unborn then it is for the chief law enforcement officer of the state to follow the laws he is sworn to uphold. Stop and think about what you are saying and where should it stop? And why it should stop? If we as a society feel it would be OK to violate the safeguards in place if it is a matter of importance to us. What cause would be too extreme? What actions would be off limits to ignoring the law?
Since it is the laws that make us a civilized society, not religion, not the golden rule, but the laws that have been put in place to hold us to the standards that make us civilized. The safeguards to protect from undo persecution, of unfounded libel, to establish procedure in the investigation of allegations of wrong doing.What is the result of the chief law enforcement officer of the Kansas using his office to go on a personal witch hunt?
He has tarnished and violated the trust that has been placed upon him by doing so. The office of Attorney General of the state of Kansas has been made a political tool and lost any creditability as a force for the law and the legal system.—–
Quote of the Day:
A lot of fools probably don’t like hearing it, but let’s get real here. It IS worse to have a “moral”, “bible-bashing”, judeo-khazarian in the (off)White House than it is to have a “liberal”, “atheistic”, Socialist. The reason is obvious. The system knows that most White people can not look past the window-dressing and will think “all is right” so long as a “wholesome” CONservative is “in charge”. For instance, no president has ever done more to hurt farmers in this country than “good, old” “de-regulating”, Ronnie Reagan. NAFTA, WTO — These were overwhelmingly supported by “staunch” Gingrichian CON’s. The Republican is a friend to no one BUT himself and his fellow bandits. Luke LaVellian
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!
Quote of the Day:
A lot of fools probably don’t like hearing it, but let’s get real here. It IS worse to have a “moral”, “bible-bashing”, judeo-khazarian in the (off)White House than it is to have a “liberal”, “atheistic”, Socialist. The reason is obvious. The system knows that most White people can not look past the window-dressing and will think “all is right” so long as a “wholesome” CONservative is “in charge”. For instance, no president has ever done more to hurt farmers in this country than “good, old” “de-regulating”, Ronnie Reagan. NAFTA, WTO — These were overwhelmingly supported by “staunch” Gingrichian CON’s. The Republican is a friend to no one BUT himself and his fellow bandits. Luke LaVellian
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!
Ian,
AMEN, AMEN I SAY TO THEE…
Peoples,
I don’t usually do this becuase my clints pay me well for my services. But, I am feeling great so consider this an early Christmas present. :)
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V.L.R.B!!!
Let’s play Charades!Who am I?
“terror”"Axis of Evil”"terror”"OGBYN!”
OBGYN?? Are you a groinacologist?
V.L.R.B!!
no.
Ian,Why in such a good mood?
Hey man, why in such a good mood?
Did a Jew die somewhere?
Did an undesirable wetback drown in the Rio Grande?
Did your daddy tell ya that you were his favorite kid to molest at night?
Or did you finally complete your Rainbow Brite collection?
:)
Anyone wondering why the investigation involving fundy Ted Haggard took one day but the Congressional investigation involving Mark Foley won’t be done until after the election?
Simple.Christian organization with ethics.The other is a Gevernment organization with none. No matter what side of the fence you are on you have to recognize the systems is nearly FUBAR’d.
Kline gave Oriley those records and now is saying he didn’t. He needs to go and further he needs to be punished
If anyone is interesting in seeing Jan Beemer’s arrest reports they are put online as a public service.
http://www.maggotpunks.com/mp.html
Jan, so eager to prove she’s a conservative, she’s getting arrested before she gets into office.
Much was made of the Army Times newspaper running an editorial calling for Rummy’s head.
Well SHAZZAM!!! Guess who runs the Army Times- none other than Gannett news service. Hell they may as well have printed one from USA Today!!!
Haggard’s scandal was pretty clear cut when the gay man accuser provided a recording of Haggard’s voice mail asking to buy drugs.
Haggard’s church is not that dumb. And, besides, these sheeple love this kind of show. A repentant sinner confesses and then gets “reborn” again.
What I saw was Ted Haggard first lied about everything, then he admitted some of the allegations. To date, I have not heard of any real repentance on Haggard’s part.
So I have to wonder – did Haggard confess because he is a sinner or because he got caught?
So, apparently, the NRCC is running phony calls attribute to the Boyda campaign in an effort to piss off likely Democratic voters and keep them away
http://www.nancyforcongress.com/index.php
You sneaky Repukes can try to game the system all you like; come Wednesday, there’ll be a new sherriff in town. I can’t wait to see the civil war break out within the G.O.P. It’s going to be fun watching you turn your knives on each other. It should be enough to keep you out of power for a generation.
Also, according to Andrew Sullivan, it sounds like Karl Rove knew about Mark Foley for quite awhile. Can’t wait to hear THAT come out. I can only imagine what went on between them. Musta been a Mark Foley / Ted Haggard / Karl Rove sammich. “Brokeback White House.”
Anybody see “American Dad?” It was astonishing: Stan unknowingly falls in with the Log Cabin Republicans, and then tries to go gay so they’ll allow him to represent them at the RNC. Oh. My. God.
Ok Eagle Editors
Last chance for journalistic credibility!
We have been asking for more than a month for you to demand that Todd Tiahrt debate his democratic challenger Garth McGinn.
It is now too late for you to do that. Just like you planned? You DID manage to get out an unqualified endorsement of Tiahrt a week ago.
We have also been asking for more than a month for a thread about Todd Tiahrt. It is NOT too late for that. You can get it in tomorrow afternoon. I don’t know of any more relevant thread on the eve of an election.
Let me help you with ideas for headers.
“Tiahrt worked with child solicitor. How much did he know?”
“Tiahrt and Abramoff. Follow the money.”
“I blinded them with silence!” Tiahrt on his stealth campaign.
“Sit down and shut up!” How effective will Tiahrt be in a democrat controlled congress?
I’m no journalist. Will you folks try at this late hour to at least PRETEND to be?
We put it to you and we leave it with you.
“Until we hear from you differently, as far as I am concerned, a vote for Paul Morrison is a vote for George Tiller.”
Nice try outed. Anybody who believes this is as stupid as you are.
1999 War Games Predicted Failure In Iraq…
http://politicalheartland.blogspot.com/2006/11/1999-war-games-predicted-failure-in.html