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  1. Steven Davis
    Posted November 27, 2006 at 2:59 am | Permalink

    From the Washington Post:

    “Let’s let the election go,” White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove said in a recent interview. “Let’s say, ‘Okay, where are some places where we can work together?’ ”

    Rove doing his Rodney King impression, “Can’t we all just get along?” I say kick in what he has that passes for testicles.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/26/AR2006112601131.html

  2. Posted November 27, 2006 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    Whoa. That’s fairly strong for a mainstream paper, Steven.

    But I agree.

    After Clinton’s impeachment, the stolen election of 2000, the swift-boating of Kerry (”swift-boating” has now become a verb meaning to be unjustifiably smeared by lying blackguards), the lying to get us into war, “a vote for Democrats is a vote for Osama” etc. etc., they can stick “bipartisanship” where the sun don’t shine.

    The new golden rule in Washington is “do unto them as they have done unto you.”

  3. Posted November 27, 2006 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    “LONDON (AP) — Britain said Monday it expects to withdraw thousands of its 7,000 military personnel from Iraq by the end of next year, while Poland and Italy announced the impending withdrawal of their remaining troops.

    “Polish President Lech Kaczynski said his country, a U.S. ally in Iraq and Afghanistan, would pull its remaining 900 soldiers out of Iraq by the end of 2007. And Italian Premier Romano Prodi said the last of Italy’s soldiers in Iraq — some 60-70 troops — will return home this week, ending the Italian contingent’s presence in the south of the country after more than three years.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Britain-Iraq.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    Looks like “the coalition of the willing” is down to The Honduras and Taiwan.

  4. Mary Caruso
    Posted November 27, 2006 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results”. How does continuing the same old “You’re wrong and I’m right” going to solve anything? Do we really have the energy to waste on partisan politics with our country in this mess? I think it’s time for a change and we should be forcusing on working with each other rather than just pointing fingers, insulting, and blaming each other.

  5. Posted November 27, 2006 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    That would make sense, Damoon, except that the problem IS the Republicans.

    By destroying them, you destroy America’s problems.

  6. Mary Caruso
    Posted November 27, 2006 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    Ha! If it were that easy!

  7. Steven Davis
    Posted November 27, 2006 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    I think you’re right, Mary, but it rubs me the wrong way that Rove wants to play nice after he’s had his butt kicked. He wasn’t much interested in that when he was winning and laying the groundwork for a Republican dynasty!

  8. Steven Davis
    Posted November 27, 2006 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    This cartoon reminded me of this discussion:

    http://news.yahoo.com/comics/uclickcomics/20061118/cx_tr_uc/tr20061118

  9. Posted November 27, 2006 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    Interesting comments, Mary. The Bush administration changed the policy toward the mideast drastically when he came in to office and after 9/11.

    It was drastic in that he did what he said he would do, which was pretty much the same thing that the democrats said we should do too.

    If he can be blamed for anything it would be taking half and stutter steps after he took several bold steps.

    Hank

  10. WSClark
    Posted November 27, 2006 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Several bold steps into a (predicted) quagmire are still steps into a mess.

    You don’t get style points for making bad decisions.

  11. Rage
    Posted November 27, 2006 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    The problem with making deals with this administration can be summmed with one acronym: NCLB. That piece of crap was supposed to be a forward-thinking education reform package. Look at what we got.

    No legislation will get past a filibuster in the Senate, but Pelosi should try anyway–make them do it.

    Billmon has a good point:”But the collaborators and co-conspirators on the outside can’t simply defy a congressional subpoena or tell Pat Leahy to go fuck himself. Pretty soon, small fish will be talking about medium-sized fish, and then medium-sized fish will start talking about big fish.”

    http://billmon.org/archives/002960.html

    Yeah, yeah, I know, we’re supposed to play nice and just work on governance. Screw that. This administration is criminal, power-mad, dangerous and self-absorbed. Their obscene power grab won’t be reversed legislatively. Let THEM make the deals and the plea-bargains.

  12. Rage
    Posted November 27, 2006 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Gaah! Seems we’re both agreeing with Rall today:

    http://news.yahoo.com/comics/uclickcomics/20061116/cx_tr_uc/tr20061116

  13. steve
    Posted November 27, 2006 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Looking like the other “Axis of Evil” member may come to Iraqs and our rescue. They said they will do all they can to bring stability to Iraq. Which more than likely means annexing a good part of it.

  14. J R
    Posted November 27, 2006 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    We SHOULD extend a hand to the Repbulican losers of the last election. When they reach back we should grab their arm force it behind their back and force their faces in the dirt! Play “El Dugello”!

  15. Steven Davis
    Posted November 27, 2006 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    JR,I have heard of a version of what you describe as “biting the hand that slapped you.”

  16. Posted November 27, 2006 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    Hank Price,

    “If he can be blamed for anything it would be taking half and stutter steps after he took several bold steps.”

    The first “bold” steps were flawed — and predicted to cause chaos, and destabilize the region.

    The later “half and stutter” steps made the situation worse, and perhaps unrecoverable.

  17. Mary Caruso
    Posted November 27, 2006 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    Funny Hank, I’m a democrat and I NEVER believed that invading Iraq was the right thing to do. Maybe some Democrats were supportive, maybe some Republicans were against it. You shouldn’t make generalizations.I think most Americans, regardless of their party affiliation, now believe it was a mistake.”Bold steps” or “half and stutter steps”, the results would have been the same. We’re stuck in a quagmire with a record deficit and we have George Bush to thank for it.I’m just counting down the days til the arrogant asshole is no longer in office.