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- By Phillip Brownlee
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Hey, fresh open thread!
Open question: How many of you out there–regulars, infrequents, occassionals, lurkers; liberal, conservative, nationalist, libertarian, socialist, communist, communitarian, Christian, jewish, muslim, hindu, atheist, agnostic, gnostic, druid, raelian, etc. etc. etc. etc.!–agree with Ian Santiago’s views on jews, blacks, and, basically, anyone he defines as “non-white”?
Hey, Ian, it’s YOUR thread, dude! Soak up the HONOR and the GLORY! Yes, that’s right, folks, IT’S THE IAN SANTIAGO SHOW!!!!
(Sorry, no theme music included)
Go to town, dude! And face the only music you’ll get . . .
Is this really a good idea, Rage?
Dunno. Maybe not. But WS’s posts told me told that it probably needed to happen.
But I suspect Ian’s dearth of friends will become readily apparent.
What do you hope to accomplish by making this the Ian thread? Do you think you can make him change his mind?
You know what I think he is? I think Ian had bad experiences with minorities when he was a kid. He probably got beat up a lot and had his lunch money taken everyday at school, or some traumatic experience which led him to hate them so much.
Of course not. But I think some (more than some, actually) people believe his views have more power than they actually do.
I don’t feel good about it. You’re right. It might be an exceptionally bad idea.
I’ll hijack the thread right here:
Get beyond your hate, haters and keep it to yourself. Michael Richards “Kramer” couldn’t keep to himself and it’s going ruin his comedy career. Your career can be ruined by attributed racist statements. Proud to be racist, choke on it, your wrong.
Talk about the Kansas water issues instead folks!
I read somewhere a nutty story about “welfare kings and queens on tractors”. It was a water based issue story, how some farms in Kansas shouldn’t be located where they are strictly based on accessible water sources, during droughts.
Is the fed supposed to forever pay for “tragedy” because it doesn’t rain enough. Farm bills, set aside dollars.
The industry where fed money is given for drought, insurance money for failed crops, debts half paid, then refinanced again and again to buy machinery, seeds and fertilizer year after year. Loans given because banks need to do that. Long as the farmers don’t fully default, they can refinance. Selling crop in good years doesn’t pay off all debts since most of it isn’t watered enough.
What are the water sources for Wichita, rural cities, farms and business long term in this state.
Should farms forever demand water in places where there is little or not enough to share during droughts.
Small towns need economics so they invite business who use a lot of ground water. Jobs in another industry instead of farming. Farmers start shouting.
Fed Farm bills only grow larger and dependency on that fed money harms international trade. It all begins with the water.
Is the Arkansas river a drinking water source long term or is farming too close on its shores polluting it too much. Farms creating chemical runoff into streams, lakes and rivers.
I HATE YOUI hate you, I hate you because you look different from me, I hate you because you talk different from me, I hate you because you do not like the same music as I do, I hate you because you do not have the same hair cut as I do, I hate you because you dress different from me, I hate you because you do not worship the same God as I do, I hate you because you do not agree with me about the same things…… I hate you! Because I hate myself.
Here I am – where’s Santiago?
I wonder: When a newspaper makes endorsements of political candidates, should it disclose that an endorsed candidate was once an employee of the newspaper?
Hey folks, yesterday when I emailedPeon(ian) and asked for his address, he said he was leaving until dec 13th, but he wanted to meet me somewhere after that date,so we could “do it”.Whatever that is.I think peon wants to blow me.I had to decline.
Carry on with the Ian thread.Without peon here we can talk without being interupted by hate speech.Everybody here is sick of the harrassment and hate speech from this creep.Any ideas on how to deal with it?
“Everybody here is sick of the harrassment and hate speech from this creep.”
All we can do is stand up to it each and every time. Too many are willing to watch Santiago with amusement because the insults are not hurled directly at them.
Santiago e-mailed me yesterday – he did ‘t say anything about being out of town, but I did say that he didn’t want to debate me because “debating a Jew gave him headaches.”
I was very careful in my e-mail replies (I kept all of them) not to suggest any violence.
I just told him I would hand his ass to hin, verbally.
Like any school yard bully, Santiago is just a coward.
WS, check your email.Aren’t there laws against hate speech?
“The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.” attributed to Sir Edmund Burke.
That is not actually what he said, what follows is the actual quote:
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitiedsacrifice in a contemptiblestruggle.”
The meaning remains the same…..
What do Ian Santiago, Michael “Kramer” Richards and O.J. have in common?
They all are getting way more press than they merit … let it (and them, for that matter) die.
I don’t know about you guys, but I think Ian is probably some young punk who has nothing better to do than to come on here and be stupid. Confronting him isn’t going to change him, ignoring him might make him go away though.
Amazing that Will can have compassion for a racist’s experiences, but when it comes to everything else, oh heck no. Will, would you have the same compassion for gang members on the streets?
Or Ian could be an ex con who did time in prison, got inducted into the racist gangs there.
Oh yeah, and what Kramer did with the racist talk, omg.
I agree, RM, that they all get way too much press, especially OJ, at least of late, but it’s hard to let the matter die when someone is brazen enough to insult you and your family, publicly and privately, and then to take the coward’s way out when called on it.
I know that’s a long sentence, but I had some extra puncuation lying around.
Viva America!
Tracy,Do you not have enough sense to just ignore the little moron?
In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.Martin Luther King Jr.
Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King Jr.
We fear what we don’t understand and we hate what we fear. Too bad Ian seems incapable of putting himself into another person’s shoes. Some people just can’t do it, they’re flawed and that makes for a pretty unhappy life.
Now, to hijack this thread to an ongoing issue: Good news in Iraq? It is beginning to appear that an triple alliance might be forming among Iraq, Iran, and Syria. So, instead of being a counterweight to the Syria-Iran alliance as Saddam was for so long there might be unity in that region. Consider then the fact that Syria and Iran have been allies to Palestine and Lebanon against the US and Israel. (Saddam had been ‘our guy’ in the region) What might be the implications of this toward US interests in the region?
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”
-Abraham Lincoln-
When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative.Martin Luther King Jr.
On this issue, I am right.
Calif. court says bloggers can’t be sued State’s Supreme Court said a federal law gives immunity from libel suits.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15817955/
LONDON – Military victory is no longer possible in Iraq, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said in a television interview broadcast Sunday.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15802130/
Pretty scary thought when the original “stay the course” politician says that we can’t win militarily in Iraq.
Of course, many on the left, myself included, said that we could not win militarily in Iraq BEFORE the war.
Iraq is a quagmire – we can only hope that we get out before too many of our troops are killed.
hmmm, you need to look at the shia/sunni issue a lot closer. As soon as we are out of Iraq, things will start to fracture (even more than they already have!).
Unfortunately, Dave, there probably is no answer for the Shia/Sunni issue. Those folks have been blood enemies for 1400 years. Under the best of circumstances, they barely tolerate one another.
Pretty scary situation – one that we should have been taken into consideration before the invasion.
Freedom is on the march – GWB
dave – I have looked at the sunni’shiite issue quite closely – a HELL of a lot closer that Bush ever did. That is why it is so amazing that Bush has managed to find a way to unite them!
Remember, Sunni Syria and Shiite Iran have been allies for years. Iraq was always the pro-US wild card.
Dear Mary,
Interesting comment from one that has admitted hating Bush.
Hank
Ian is the poster child for your blog. You all spew lies and hate, you attack others who don’t share your distorted views, who don’t buy into the garbage of hate based political ideas. You make malice’s comments about others characters; you attack their ideals and concepts. This blog is based on the same hate he spews. Hate is hate. As you are pointing your finger at Ian remember there are 4 fingers pointing back at you. Ian is no different then the rest of you.
Get it–you don’t get it.If that’s your attitude, then go where everbody’s nice.Has Ned Flanders got a blog?
But I do get it Tracy, you’re so full of your hate you don’t see that your just like Ian.
Get it ? That is a question, not a statement. Ian is the poster child for every pro-choice argument ever proposed. I can see it now. Across the top is huge red letters A-B-O-R-T-I-O-N-?. Below that, you and a smiling Ian groping each other. And below that O-H H-E-L-L Y-E-S-!
Hank makes a great point. Ian’s basic racism isn’t any different from the leftist on here that hate conservatives and Republicans. The only exception is that the leftist on here get a pass and their hatered is considered popular and is accepted in our society, almost to a point that criminal acts can be done and should be exempt from prosecution and justice.
Any hatard towards any group, it either be race, religion, creed and political affilation is wrong. You can disagree, and that’s fine, but down right hatared shouldn’t be tolerated.
Ian may be a bit racist, but he does express that he disagrees with multi-culturalism and feels that the races should be seperated. Many people believe that, why do we see so much Defacto segeration between whites, blacks, and hispanics? The entire population of Johnson County, which is what 97% white, believe in seperating the races.
It’s more common than you think. Many leftist on here who give lip service to multi-culturalism would be the first person to move from their neighborhood if a minority moved in.
I disagree with leftist and socialist. I disagree with religion, but I don’t hate people who are religious or who are leftist socialist. Several good long time friends of mine are die hard leftist. I talk to them on the phone all the time, we hang out all the time, we always help each other out all the time. Good friends indeed, but I disagree with their political ideology.
Some of the leftist on here are so full of hate, they wouldn’t dare to hang out or have a friend that is a conservative or a Republican. They hate them that much. There has been admission from the leftist on here about that and you know who you are.
Joe the hatred goes both ways, and I would say that it was the attitude of the conservatives that warranted this response from the liberals.
When did this kind of division start? It began with Rush, Hannity, O’Reilly, Coulter.. the kings of the hate speech. We’re just tired of being thought of as sissies because we won’t fight back.
See what happens when we do? We’re blamed and chastised as part of the problem! Here’s the thing though…we’re fighting for our rights that the right wants to take away, they want to impose their beliefs onto us in law. I won’t have it, and if that means I need to get a little vocal about it, then so be it.
In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
Martin Luther King Jr.
No shit Clark. Thanks for posting that. As a gay person, I look at ALL kansans and wonder if they were part of the 70+% of voters who loved hate so much they made it a part of the kansas constitution.
I have not trusted my neighbors since. Of course, they are too “polite” to talk about such things in private conversation, much less public discourse.
It is indeed, the silence of 80% of my county that I will remember. For the rest of my life.
Get over it? I wonder if you could do the same….
“Ian may be a bit racist.”
Just when I think Joe can never top himself for a stupid statement he always proves me wrong!
Sigh. Why the reluctance for a water thread or coverage of the hellzapoppin hearing in Lawrence? What could be the WE’s motivation for ignoring such an important issue?
Well, anyway, here is a link to ANOTHER paper that has the balls to cover it.
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/sep/27/moratorium_sought_coalfired_plants/
And… remember my comments about sunflower’s lobby boy and governor leadership’s puppet master Steve Miller? He is one arrogant SOB. I guess he thinks he OWNS the water in kansas.
The article will tell you all you need to know about him. And about how jackasses like him from HAYS and RUSSELL are raping the smoky and the aquifer out here.
Joe,
Come visit my neighborhood. We have several Hispanic neighbors, at least one black couple (the very nice gentleman has helped me more than once with my car problems), and there’s a Middle Eastern family. I don’t have a problem with any of them. Well, except for the number of cars owned by the first group mentioned. *grin* There are all ages, too. Young, old, and in-between. You can’t get more “multi-culturalist” than this neighborhood. I call it a “rainbow.”
Sorry, you won’t see me moving out because someone of another race/color moved in.
Oh, and btw, it’s spelled “hatred.”
And this from my friend in Ellsworth’s blog….
“KDHE MEETING IN LAWRENCE WAS REDUCED TO A SHOUTING MATCH OVER THE PROPOSED EXPANSION OF SUNFLOWER ELECTRIC NEAR HOLCOMB…WE’RE TALKING WATER AGAIN
It sounds like the Kansas Department of Health and Environment tried to pull a fast one by eliminating people who might have objections to the proposed expansion of the 2,100 megawatt Sunflower Electric generating plant near Holcomb. They provided seats for 100 which were filled a half hour before the meeting started. There were about 300 other people who wanted in but were turned away. It was billed as a public hearing but it was apparent they weren’t going to let the public in to listen to their objections.
Abner Perney who is a member of the Salina City Commission called it “the most appalling breakdown of a public function I have ever seen.” This project has implications for Salina’s water supply….here we go again…and those from Salina who attended accused the KDHE of intentionally making the venue too small so that public comment would be minimized.
This has big implications on our water supply. I don’t know if anyone from Ellsworth attended this meeting, but they should have, in my opinion. This is a serious matter for our city officials.
The meeting lasted five hours, included a 45 minute reading of Sunflower’s proposal and didn’t end until 11 pm. It was to be resumed again at 5:00 last evening so that the people who had signed up to speak could have a chance to do so. There was a lot of yelling, shoving, cops on the scene and the works. It sounds like the riots of Play Station 3 affecianados.
There are plenty of us around who are very opposed to coal fired power plants. They use too much water and give nothing of value to our area in return. The plant is projected to use 30,000 acre feet of water a year, which is about four times what the city of Salina uses. The consumption of that much water will affect recharge of the water table that feeds the Smoky Hill River. If they suck that much water out, Kanopolis will be a dry hole overnight.
In my opinion, the plan should be resoundingly rejected for a number of environmental reasons as horrendous things could happen if this plant is put in place. They said the KDHE should be looking at wind-powered plants instead. As the alternative, I couldn’t agree more.”
http://www.kansasprairie.net/blog1/blogindex.htm
Someone, in one of the many things I have read about this lately, called wind generators an “economic development boon to western kansas”. heheheheheheh
Wind energy is a VERY good thing. But please, dont throw us any more scraps from the master’s table. To call the generators a BOON for us is just insulting.
It is kinda like locating a lead smelter out here because, well, no one who matters lives here anyway? heheheheh
Oh wait. HAYS already tried to do that and they were soundly “thumped” by their own citizens.
I guess if the rest of the state wants to write off the west, maybe you all wont mind if the west squanders all the water that could have been headed YOUR way?
Hear me now. Believe me later….
Joe, I have to say that I find your argument in support of Santiago a bit unusual. You make some rather broad generalizations. I find your last paragraph in particular to be strange.
Maybe you weren’t referring to me directly, but I certainly do not hate conservatives. I disagree with them, but there is no hatred. I do have conservative friends and we can debate the issues without rancor. Actually, we can laugh our butts off at each other.
Additionally, when I lived in Olathe, I made a point of buying a home in a racially mixed neighborhood. I did not want my son being raised in a “white only” environment.
Where I have to strongly disagree with you is your characterization of Santiago’s bigotry. People have strong disagreements all the time over politics, etc, but Santiago’s hatred is based on the circumstances of one’s birth.
Being black or gay or Jewish is not a choice. You are born that way and that is the way you will stay – to state the obvious.
Santiago chooses to be a bigot.
There is no hatred for any individual from this leftist. I do, however, hate bigotry and racism.
“Americans of good-will, the nice decent church people, the well-meaning liberals, the good hearted souls who themselves wouldn’t lynch anyone, must begin to realize that they have to be more than passively good-hearted, more than church goingly Christian, and much more than word-of-mouth in the liberalism.”–Langston Hughes, 1943
“It does no service to the cause of racial equality for white people to content themselves with judging themselves to be nonracist. Few people outside the clan or skinhead movements own up to all-out racism these days. White people must take the extra step. They must become anti-racist.”–Clarence Page, 1996
*gasp* KFG is gay?
Heck, now I understand.
Hank and Joe–
Can you CHOOSE to be white or non-white?
Can you CHOOSE to be liberal or conservative?
Now please shut up about how Ian is like liberals, and try using the brains God gave you . . . what little She gave you anyway . . .
Something I learned long ago:
People who say “shut up” aren’t worth hearing.
“I believe in the brotherhood of man, all men, but I don’t believe in brotherhood with anybody who doesn’t want brotherhood with me. I believe in treating people right, but I’m not going to waste my time trying to treat somebody right who doesn’t know how to return the treatment.”
– Speech, Dec. 12 1964, New York City – Malcolm X
Try brotherhood, Santiago, it FEELS a whole lot better than hatred.
Hey golfnut, how many rounds do you play on the grass that is watered with TREATED drinking water?
Golf courses, (and I play myself so dont even start) are one of the biggest water wasters.
Of course, Hays AND Russell ALWAYS have enough water to keep their greens green.
And they water them with TREATED water from Cedar Bluff.
Why?
’cause their OWN ground water has been so polluted it kills their greens.
In the country, I think we call that “crappin’ in yer own nest”.
Even DOGS dont do that….
But governor leadership makes sure all the water in the smoky goes to support ethanol and golf.
No wonder golfnut loves ks so much.
Heheheheheheheh. Priorities Sebelius?
We see them…..
Kfmg- What is the water contaminated with- brine?
Breaking news from Pat Hayes at Red State Rabble:
Tuesday, November 21, 2006Corkins Watch: Goodbye Yellow Brick RoadModerate school board member Janet Waugh has told the Lawrence Journal World that it’s her understanding that Education Commissioner Bob Corkins “appointments have been canceled and his law degree is down from the wall.”
# posted by Red State Rabble @ 6:20 AM Comment (1) | Trackback (0)Don’t Let it Hit You in the Back
According to the Lawrence Journal World, the Kansas Board of Education will hold a special meeting Wednesday via telephone conference call. The meeting is being called to have a nonpublic executive session “to discuss nonelected personnel.”
According to the LJW, the meeting is fueling speculation that Education Commissioner Bob Corkins is on his way out the door.
# posted by Red State Rabble @ 6:17 AM
Ian will hate to hear this, but I pity him. Bigots and racists will never know the joy of interacting and knowing those of different cultures, races, and religions. This is what makes the world interesting. Love is what makes it strong.
Hate is a powerful negative emotion. It’s taken me most of my life to understand how destructive it is, not only to others who are hated, but to those who hate. It can destroy a person, inside and out.
There’s a lot that can be learned from those who are different than we are. An open mind and an open heart can go a long way.
So who’s holding your children at gunpoint and forcing them to marry a third-worlder?
Answer:
NOBODY
;)
Farmie,My country club waters the course with rain/runoff water captured in the lakes on the course. In fact, we dredged all our ponds at significant cost 3 years ago to increase runoff water storage.
If the lakes get too low (like now), we use well water. And I’ve never heard of it causing any damage to the course (and what a beautiful course we have).
Now…I can’t speak for the other clubs in the area or for the Wichita public courses.
As far as race-mixing is concerned, perhaps your Aryan brothers in the armed forces to keep it in their pants when they do their tours of duty overseas? Wouldn’t want to let that dirty little incident of them leaving the kids they sired with Asian prostitutes to get out over here in Aryan land; lest their credibility be tarnished!
gasp! KFG is a human being. That should be all you need to understand.
“It does no service to the cause of racial equality for white people to content themselves with judging themselves to be nonracist. Few people outside the clan or skinhead movements own up to all-out racism these days. White people must take the extra step. They must become anti-racist.”–Clarence Page, 1996
Ian-You need a new hobby!And while you’re at it, a life.
Some ground water statistics and facts…
Farming accounts for 94 percent of the groundwater use.
Two keys to stabilizing aquifers are raising water prices and stabilizing population.
Prices of underground water can be raised by installing meters on pumps and charging for water as Mexico has done or by auctioning permits to operate wells.
Groundwater depletion problems could be forestalled if this presently nonrecoverable water could be forced to the saturated zone. One experimental means of accomplishing this is by injecting air into the unsaturated zone, which breaks down capillary action and permits the movement of water down to the saturated zone.
Not all ares of the aquifer are equal, some groundwater levels connect to river basins and use affects the rise and fall of the river.
Unsaturated water zones in the aquifer is described as ‘water in a non pliable sponge. It exists, but is non-obtainable for the most part because of the equilibrium of the water level with the saturated ground water surrounding it and the ‘consistency’ of the geological formations. (non-porous formations divert water; porous formations retain water)
A question popped up about a coal fired plant utilizing water utilizing water at a rate higher than normal use by a concentrated population. The so-called expected result is that rivers fed by adjacent groundwater resevoirs would not be sufficient to support the coal-fire plants and the concentrated population. Thus a decrease in the river basin and its subsequent water levels.
The question would be is to study the amount of saturated and non-saturated aquifer areas near the proposed coal-fire plant. Tests could be done to study water table levels to determine rate/flow and usage.
Also, if the coal-fire plant is not a 100 percent depleter of water, at what return rate of water would the plant allow back into general use. (intake of water and outtake of water after use.)
I have not seen any data on the coal-fire plant usage and re-use of water.
That might be interesting to look at.
KSGoofNuts–
Glad to hear you don’t like Bill O’Reilly.
See his show in which he tells Jeremy Glick, the son of a 9-11 victim, to “shut up, shut up, just shut up.”
We agree. Bill O is not worth listening to . . .
I have yet to see a conservative blogger on the WEBlog that was not harrassed or run off the blog by the liberal posters here. The fact that these liberal bloggers actually perceive themselves to be bipartisan is laughable! You will not find liberal bloggers with a more unilateral approach to government and society save perhaps those liberal bloggers on the Democratic Underground. (Yes, I have been there too.) It is interesting to note that when a conservative’s beliefs are ridiculed outright, there is no outrage by the “liberal community” on this blog. If however, one happens to be Catholic, and holds a traditional view of marriage,(attributes particular to the Right) and posts that what he believes to be right, he is demonized almost instantly and branded as a “homophobe” “intolerant” and a “bigot.” In conclusion, my experiment of the liberal psyche has yielded it’s predictable results. The liberal psyche is nothing but conformity to a pre-prescribed set of social principles that is unilateral in nature, and absolute in it’s execution. In other words, the existence of “open-mindedness” in the Left is a myth.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/250.php?nid=&id=&pnt=250&lb=hmpg2
A large majority of Iraqis—71%—say they would like the Iraqi government to ask for U.S.-led forces to be withdrawn from Iraq within a year or less. Given four options, 37 percent take the position that they would like U.S.-led forces withdrawn “within six months,” while another 34 percent opt for “gradually withdraw[ing] U.S.-led forces according to a one-year timeline.” Twenty percent favor a two-year timeline and just 9 percent favor “only reduc[ing] U.S.-led forces as the security situation improves in Iraq.”
If this is true why does Sean Hannity and other conservative pundits insist that we stay?
Why do you give IAN so much ink? Ignore him totally and HE WILL GO AWAY ——– to find like minded fools as he
CapN, I also like the time he was screaming “Turn off the mike, turn off the mike” when his “guest was saying something he didn’t like.I don’t even remember who the guest was.Well, at least me and fuzznuts agree on something.BillO’s bloviating ain’t worth listening to.
“In conclusion, my experiment of the liberal psyche has yielded it’s predictable results. The liberal psyche is nothing but conformity to a pre-prescribed set of social principles that is unilateral in nature, and absolute in it’s execution.”
And how pray tell is that different from conservatives ?
Will, liberal conspiracy on the blog?Hahahaha, heheheheShit man, us libs are all individuals.I don’t march in step with any of them.We are friendly because we share the same values, but are not afraid to disagree on issues.
In fact, If you were to buy us all lunch, we couldn’t agree where to eat.Right, all you conspiratorial libs?
Thanks for all your faith has done for us Will:
The Spanish Inquisition, authorized in 1478 by ‘pope’ Sixtus IV for King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, became harsher than the medieval Inquisition. Its primary target was those Jews and Muslims who had been coercively, and insincerely, ‘converted’ to the faith. However, it was the view of Llorente, secretary of the Inquisition at Madrid from 1789 – 1791 and historian of the Inquisition, that this reasoning was only a pretext useful for confiscating the wealth of the Jews, and that Sixtus went along for the purpose of extending the dominion of Rome. In later years the focus of the Inquisition was turned against Protestants.
http://jmgainor.homestead.com/files/PU/Inq/si.htm
“In other words, the existence of “open-mindedness” in the Left is a myth.”
Actually, Will, I am quite open-minded to the ideas of the right. I make my own decisions, for example; while I favor reasonable gun control, I am not anti-gun or anti-hunting. I just feel that guns and gun owners should have the same level of regulation as automobiles.
I don’t march in lock step with the left – never have. Socially, I am personally rather conservative, I just feel that the government should stay out of people’s lives.
That means, to me, that they should stay out of bedrooms, medical records and the pipe that I have on my dresser.
The only time I get to the maniac level is when white nationalists attack my family’s ethnic heritage.
If you were in my position, I would imagine that you would get pretty fired up also.
I have read some of your posts, Will, and I find that most have been at least thought out. I don’t agree often, but I respect your point of view.
Just understand that my point of view is not dictated by anyone.
Viva America!
If you gotta go back to the “Inquisition” to try to make a point .morg, is it really much of a point.? Just a little water under the bridge since then!
Now, I’m not Catholic, but wouldn’t it be a little more relevant if it had occurred in the past few CENTURIES?
Did someone say that Will is buying lunch? Great!
I vote for Carlos O’Kelly’s – that sounds like a ethnically diverse establishment!
Yew Ha!
Viva Diverse America!
Sorry, Will, all in good fun……
What would improve the posting by so-called liberals or conservatives – if they didn’t preference their sentences with disparaging remarks and try to discuss the issues.
Putting down ‘wingnuts, bushbots,bushdabum’ and whatever down is sure to get their true meaning of their post totally lost.
If you want to put out an intelligent, well-formed discussion, the by all means do so.
The moment one resorts to name calling or generalization of a whole segment, then they lose 90 percent of their audience because they have just cheapened their own credibility.
Your right outlander,
http://www.priestsofdarkness.com/stats.html
The National Review Board for the Protection of Children and Young People established by the US Conference of Catholic Bishops has not had an easy time of determining the extent of the sexual abuse of minors within the American Roman Catholic Church. Not surprisingly, there has been considerable internal opposition. This resistance was so bad that long before its work was finished, its chairman, Frank Keating, was forced to resign after he compared the Church’s actions to the Cosa Nostra, which rather proved his point.
Sorry dipshit.Too low to respond to.
WS, no way, man.Asian food.Buffet style.Make sure Will gets his money’s worth.
You have reached a new low, Santiago, even for you. This must have taken some extra work.
TRACY,
How goes the ass-wiping with your dad?
BTW – Santiago, taking care of your aging parents is one of the Ten Commandments – Number Five, if you need a little help with those.
Ken, that’s fairly good advice, but it won’t work in his case (it has been tried).
BTW, whoever is posting as “Ian” on this thread: I don’t care as much about you trolling Ian as your truly ugly comments. Do the world a favor and have yourself a tasty Drano® cocktail.
I am beginning to think that Mr. Santiago is being trolled….
Pretty goddamn funny.How many people here think that taking care of quad relative is funny?Besides Ian?
Troll or not, it ain’t funny.
Think what you like of Ian Santiago WS.
“Ian” up above aint him.
Ian is what he is but who ever is TROLLING him truly has reached a new low.
For what it is worth, I have already reported the “fake” Santiago posts to Brownlee.
The real Santiago is hard enough to take.
Actually, JR, the real Santiago posted the same comment about Tracy several days ago.
That is why I responded.
But, as I mentioned, I did report the trolling to the Editors quite some time ago.
WS, he DID?I musta missed that one.Who’s to say the ‘new’ one ain’t him?He’s certainly read my posts and knows what the lowest thing he could say is.Just like Ian, Man of Honor.(his words, not mine)
“CapN, I also like the time he was screaming “Turn off the mike, turn off the mike” when his “guest was saying something he didn’t like.I don’t even remember who the guest was.”
If I am remembering correctly the guest was a guy whose father had been killed in 9/11 attacks. (The same kid Capn mentions above). The problem was, this young man was a vocal critic of Bush. Another example of the open-mindedness of people like O’Liely.
nothing worse than stupid cowards making fun of accident victims.
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Wow,
There is obviously somebody trolling me. I don’t see eye ot eye with Tracy but I applaud him for looking after his sick dad. I would never make a mockery of such a thing because there is nothing, and I mean nothing more important to me than family.
Ian, that’s damned admirable of you.
Yes, Tracy he said almost exactly the same thing several days ago. I wish I could remember the thread.
I can completely empathize with your position – my father is in his early nineties, my mother died a year ago and I have to go to Florida for a month at a time to help him when he has a medical issue.
It hasn’t gotten to the Charmin point just yet, but it is coming.
Good luck with your father – I know the shoes you walk in.
WSC, it’s worse than that.The REAL Ian won’t even touch this one.He’s been a quad (in worse shape than superman) for many years.Now is that some lowlife stuff or what.That’s down with the phelps clan low.
All I can say, Tracy, good luck and God bless.
This getting ridiculous – who’s the idiot?
beyond ridiculous.somebody needs correcting
So why do you keep feeding it?
Here’s an oldie but a goodie:
What do you call a quadraplegic hanging on the wall? “Art”
“So why do you keep feeding it?”
What the hell does that mean, Golf Nutz?
Do you think that Tracy and I LIKE this crap?
Like I said, I REPORTED the trolling of Santiago.
You are incorrect, WS, the REAL Ian Santiago NEVER posted anything derogatory about Tracy as far as his disabled dad is concerned!
“Do you think that Tracy and I LIKE this crap?”
You must. You continue to foster the conversation about it.
Well, I realize that I am kinda slooooow, Santiago, you know, being part black and Jewish to boot, but I know what I read and it was not during a period of trolling.
BTW – My grandmother taught me to read – she was Cherokee.
Actually, Santiago, I am beginning to think that YOU are the troller, for all of the posts.
Somebody trolled IAN!
Wow, good thing he doesn’t believe in any kind of thread moderation–”stalinist censorship” as he calls it.
Trouble is that Ian’s posts are so inane you can’t tell them from a troll’s . . .
Yeah, that’s right, Nutz, that’s why I took my time to report the “fake” Santiago posts to Brownlee.
And just how am I fostering the conversation? Trying to get it to stop?
Now where’s the folks that are against some sort of registration before commenting.That’s the problem WSC, somebody can have as many identities as they want.They can come out against trolling for cover, and then troll anyway.
KsNut, ignoring the problem here never makes it go away.You just get more and more questionable and phony shit.
*shrug*
Nevermind. Clearly, you boys are unable to comprehend…
Have fun.
Ah, admit it, Nutz, if someone was posting nonsense like that about your father, you would blow a gasket.
It’s only because it’s about Tracy that you are so dismissive.
But! It’s been fun – see ya!
Actually, “Don’t feed the trolls” is a principle that’s existed for many years.
But I can’t blame Tracy for responding to that crap.
Oh I’d probably have a witty comment or two. Then I’d ignore the F-er.
But making threats or trying to find his address or trying to get him to meet you in the parking lot after school…
Seems rather…sophomoric.
Tracy you know that I feel horrible that some asshole thinks he can say these kind of things to you. I have a quadriplegic in my family (or had, he’s now deceased). I know how hard it is, and this person is a total and complete POS.
In my opinion it’s enough to warrant …
hoping that person becomes a quadriplegic too.
Karma baby.
So how’s your golf game, KS? I can call you KS, right? We’ve exchanged a few pleasantries.
My game sucks – never could correct that push. 150 yards out – 100 yards over.
After getting my father back in shape this past January, he’s has actually tried to get back out and play at 91. Not bad for an old grump with two fake knees, one fake hip and a quad bypass.
Go figure.
The problem is – one false move and I’ll be back in Florida, playing home nurse.
What the hell, we can talk about golf, can’t we?
Of course we can talk golf. I’d prefer that over politics or that effer-moron Ian any day.
My dad has two fake knees, too. He’s only 67, so we get to play a lot of golf together. I’m guessing we’ll get in a round on Thanksgiving before the big feast.
The key to playing well from 100 yds in – is practice. I’m one of those golfers that loves to practice. I’m very happy with a bucket of balls and a sand wedge – trying to hit ‘em in the same spot 5 times in a row.
Well, good golfing to ya! At least you have the weather for it right now!
Good luck to you and your dad. My father has lived in Florida for 25 years and I never did get to play much golf with him.
He lives in a retirement community – zips around in an electric golf cart to get to the store, etc.
Makes me nervous as hell……
I finally got my golf score below my bowling average and I quit. Don’t miss it, it’s a disease.
Hank
Hank, I don’t bowl often, but my lifetime best is about 203, so I should be able to give up golf any day now.
Dang!
Well, I see editorial removed the garbage. Good job folks!
Hank – I’m with you. I enjoy a pleasant walk in nature; why ruin it by chasing a stupid little ball around.
By the way – have you donated to gerard House yet? hehehe
Are kids being psychologically tested in school?
If you’re a parent, this is worth watching.
TEENSCREEN – A Front Group for the Psycho-Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex
http://www.psychsearch.net/teenscreen.html