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Bill O’Reilly has been exploring topics suggested by his recent book, Culture Warrior.http://www.randomhouse.com/broadway/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780767920926
On Friday’s “Factor”, Bill O’Reilly’s Talking Points were about: American Culture Hits Its Lowest Point Everhttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,230180,00.html
On Thurday Bill O’Reilly’s Online Column was about: Who Will Save the Babies?http://www.billoreilly.com/currentarticle
O’Reilly talked about The Shame of Kansas during five recent “Factor” shows, and this Kansas Shame was part of the topics above, but the Kansas press ignores the story for the most part.http://www.kansasmeadowlark.com/2006/ShameOfKansas
O’Reilly is framing his reporting around two questions:- Are you OK with day-before birth abortion for “temporary depression”?- Are you OK looking the other way in protecting child predators and rapists of young girls?
What say you?
Oh, and O’Reilly isn’t thrilled with the reporting by the Wichita Eagle and the Kansas City Star.
O’Reilly: “There’s no question The Kansas City Star, and the Wichita paper as well, are against any kind of action against Tiller, and it is disgraceful in my opinion. McClatchy, which owns both papers, they are shameful.”
O’Reilly’s advice about the Kansas City Star: “Don’t Buy. Don’t Advertise.”http://www.kansasmeadowlark.com/2006/ShameOfKansas/OReilly-2006-11-06/2006-11-06q-small.jpg
At least the Eagle isn’t on that boycott screen shown by O’Reilly several times.
I have great respect for Bill O’Reilly… his talking points help wingnuts learn to read.
Someone help me understand how Bill O’Liely would know how to diagnose depression and whether it is temporary, or not. Short answer: Bill is full of shit.
Mr. C, now if only he could teach them how to reason? I am sure there are those on the left who are just as big nutcases as O’rely and Coulter. I just never heard about them, 1330 A.M went to crap some years ago and I quit listening. Could be I also started thinking for myself and quit letting every kook have my ear. Though I was listening more because I could not believe someone could be that cluelss.How is Rush doing these days anyway?
Apparently O’Reilly missed the election results of his beloved Phill Kline. People are on to you O’Reilly. By the way I hope everyone hops over to the Salina Journal Message boards and see Meadowlark hasn’t answered the questions I posed to his question.
Excuse me, the Salina Journal blog, not message board. They did put in a new message board.
Bill O’Reilly, brought to you by the same people hosting OJ Simpson.
BillO and Limpballs fans need mental health screening.mom, I’ll be over right away to see what meadowpoop is avoiding.
Bill O’Reilly is a strutting, pompous, windbag.
For the TRUTH about O’Reilly, read “Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them” by Al Franken.
Must be something about Tiller’s methods…even in the Netherlands, one of the most liberal countries in Europe, this is their policy…
“In the Netherlands, abortion is prohibited at all times once the baby is viable outside the mother’s womb.”
The term ‘viable’ as I understand it when used with chronological age of babies is somewhere about six months and up.
Using depression as a reason to kill a viable ‘baby’ should be prohibitited. I suppose from the medical record excerpts that the level of depression is not indicated nor desired. So one, could just say they are depressed (all pregnant moms get some depression) and end the life of their child.
BillO, “shut the mikes off” O’liely.Nutball, shill, lying grandstander.Wonder when he’s running for office?
Al Franken…
Bawhahaha. I can’t believe someone is using his book in defense of ANY viewpoint.
I will be interested to see how Mr. Morrison handles the “Kansas Shame” when he comes in to office. We will probably have to find out somewhere other than the Eagle though, although they may turn into an actual news organization now that the election is over and they are out of attack machine mode. Time will tell.
Kudos to Mr. O”Reilly and kansas meadowlark for keeping Tiller’s little legal problem on the radar screen. Otherwise, despite the I fear it would just disappear into the political ether.
Kudos to Mr. O”Reilly and Kansas meadowlark for keeping Tiller’s little legal problem on the radar screen. Otherwise, despite the I fear it would just disappear into the political ether.
Posted by: outlander | November 20, 2006 at 08:34 AM
Dr.Tiller supports a cottage industry of kooks and religious nut cases, if he were gone the unemployment rate would probably tick up a point or two.I wonder how much cash the various groups bring in their never ending fight.
O’Reilly will put his views out there like any other commentator. The real question is should partial birth abortion be legal. If he is keeping this issue to the forefront so be it. Whether you are prolife or prochoice this practice is horrendous.
BillO and KsFuzzNuts…..
Bawhahaha. I can’t believe anyone cares what either one thinks on ANY viewpoint.
JM – you are assuming that what Bill O says is, in fact, true. Considering the fact that it is illegal for him to even have that information I have to wonder.
I agree that an abortion (especially late-term) should not be indicated for depression. However, it is my understanding that the ones done are for other medical situations such as anencephaly.
Personally, I can only see partial birth in the most extreme situations.
Screw BillO and bunch.Let’s talk about something or someone who makes sense.
Robert McNamara’s 11 lessons from Vietnam:
• We misjudged then — and we have since — the geopolitical intentions of our adversaries … and we exaggerated the dangers to the United States of their actions.
• We viewed the people and leaders of South Vietnam in terms of our own experience … We totally misjudged the political forces within the country.
• We underestimated the power of nationalism to motivate a people to fight and die for their beliefs and values.
• Our judgments of friend and foe alike reflected our profound ignorance of the history, culture, and politics of the people in the area, and the personalities and habits of their leaders.
• We failed then — and have since — to recognize the limitations of modern, high-technology military equipment, forces and doctrine…
• We failed as well to adapt our military tactics to the task of winning the hearts and minds of people from a totally different culture.
• We failed to draw Congress and the American people into a full and frank discussion and debate of the pros and cons of a large-scale military involvement … before we initiated the action.
• After the action got under way and unanticipated events forced us off our planned course … we did not fully explain what was happening and why we were doing what we did.
• We did not recognize that neither our people nor our leaders are omniscient. Our judgment of what is in another people’s or country’s best interest should be put to the test of open discussion in international forums. We do not have the God-given right to shape every nation in our image or as we choose.
• We did not hold to the principle that U.S. military action … should be carried out only in conjunction with multinational forces supported fully (and not merely cosmetically) by the international community.
• We failed to recognize that in international affairs, as in other aspects of life, there may be problems for which there are no immediate solutions … At times, we may have to live with an imperfect, untidy world.
• Underlying many of these errors lay our failure to organize the top echelons of the executive branch to deal effectively with the extraordinarily complex range of political and military issues.
A 12th lesson from VietNam: We do not need to defeat a country in order to ‘win’ it over.
News Reporting on Tiller Clinic by O’Reilly…
Satirical View of Local News Reporting…
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A 13th lesson from Viet Nam:Cubic money does not win wars!
I would encourage those interested to visit “The Sandbox” (link posted a few weeks ago) and read the post with the title “The Dance”. It presents an interesting perspective from a service member on the ground in Afghanistan (remember Afghanistan?) on what is happening there with the Taliban.
Isn’t it nice that Bill O’Reilly and Meadowlark side with the terrorists. Of course it will be Wichita taxpayers who have to foot the bill for the protests by the terrorists. The terrorists don’t pay their taxes and owe thousands of dollars in taxes to Sedgwick County.
Yet the terrorists label a professional medical doctor who performs medical services a criminal. Under Bush’s anti-terrorism laws Bill O’Reilly and Meadowlark can be imprisoned without trial for their support of terrorism. Hell, Fox News gave $2 million dollars to terrorists in Iraq, and help a murderer like O.J. Simpson to make millions.
Perhaps these reich wing religious nuts ought to get their priorities straight.
Poor Dr. Tiller….
heheheh. As long as the wingnuts are going after him, they are leaving gay people alone!!!
Having felt the sharp end of the wingnut bigotry stick, I really do feel sorry for Dr. Tiller. I’m sure glad he’s got broad enough shoulders to withstand the attacks in order to defend our freedoms and the right to choice.
hehehe. CHOICE. Something the wingnuts know nothing about….
Hey political mom!
I love your posts and really want to read your questions, but I hate to give meadowpoop any hits over at lonely blog.
How about posting them here?
Looks like Iran will be the big winner from Bush’s invasion of Iraq:
“Iran calls for summit with Iraq, SyriaSTEVEN R. HURST and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRAAssociated PressBAGHDAD, Iraq – Iran has invited the Iraqi and Syrian presidents to Tehran for a weekend summit with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to hash out ways to cooperate in curbing the runaway violence that has taken Iraq to the verge of civil war and threatens to spread through the region, four key lawmakers told The Associated Press on Monday.
Iraqi President Jalal Talabani has accepted the invitation and will fly to the Iranian capital Saturday, a close parliamentary associate said.
The Iranian diplomatic gambit appeared designed to upstage expected moves from Washington to include Syria and Iran in a wider regional effort to clamp off violence in Iraq, where more civilians have been killed in the first 20 days of November than in any other month since the AP began tallying the figures in April 2005.
The Iranian move was also a display of its increasingly muscular role in the Middle East, where it already has established deep influence over Syria and Lebanon.
“All three countries intend to hold a three-way summit among Iraq, Iran and Syria to discuss the security situation and the repercussions for stability of the region,” said Ali al-Adeeb, a lawmaker of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s Dawa Party and a close aide to the prime minister.
Both Iran and Syria are seen as key players in Iraq. Syria is widely believed to have done little to stop foreign fighters and al-Qaida in Iraq recruits from crossing its border to join Sunni insurgents in Iraq. It also has provided refuge for many top members of Saddam Hussein’s former leadership and political corps, which is thought to have organized arms and funding for the insurgents. The Sunni insurgency, since it sprang to life in late summer 2003, has been responsible for most of the U.S. deaths in Iraq.”
more …
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/16054588.htm
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
well, I see that they closed the comments on the “ian” thread while I was gone. Of course, that isnt gonna stop me….
If you are gonna pull Ian’s posts for their overt bigotry, but let Will’s death threat against Ed stand…Isnt that the definition of hypocrisy?
And if you are pulling bigoted posts, how about TM, SM, rockl and Demforshit? Their homophobic posts stand?
So it is ok to trash the gays but not the jews?
And I notice NO ONE commented that Ian is an equal opportunity offender? No one commented on his bigotry toward blacks and latinos?
So it is ok to trash african americans and hispanics but not jews?
Jesus wept.
And NO ONE better bitch about Randy and ANY of his posts as long as the WE shills bias boy, the sham journalist formerly known as values boy.
He is the most bigoted ass wipe on here and he is PAID by the freakin’ paper.
Randy, you go boy.
And while I find bigotry reprehensible in all it’s forms, Ian has the right to speak his mind.
At least as much right as will has to issue death threats….
Lets see how long it takes for THAT post to get pulled.
KFG -You said what others are thinking.
“And while I find bigotry reprehensible in all it’s forms, Ian has the right to speak his mind.”
Santiago certainly has a God-given right to express his opinion, however dispicable it may be, just as I have the right to call him out on it.
I am not in favor of censorship, but I do believe that if you hold such horrid opinions, you should expect to be challenged on them by right thinking people.
If that makes me wrong, well, at least I am on the right side of the argument.
I stand by my challenge to Mr. Santiago – explain, in your OWN words, why you consider yourself to be superior to me given my multicultural ancestry.
I have spent my life challenging bigotry, racism and anti-Semitism. I will continue to do so – regardless.
To allow bigotry to go unchallenged is to commit the same crime as right-thinking people in Nazi Germany in the ’30’s.
Hey, KFG, check out the following link. It seems that a conservative, gay, gun nut also wants my posts censored. lmsaao
http://www.alphecca.com/mt_alphecca_archives/002784.html
v.L.R.B!!
And STILL no water thread? heheheh
All holy hell broke loose in Lawrence last week when KDHE (WTF? Why not the Kansas water office?) held hearings about Sunflower Electric’s proposed water sucking coal fired power plant in the southwest kansas desert?
I heard there was a near riot, and cops were called, etc.
But no mention in the WE? At least not the online version.
And what does governor leadership or her little dog mark (now in charge of alternative energy) have to say?
zip. nada. nothing.
And you can bet the silence will continue as long as Steve Irsik, sebelius campaign contributor, irrigator, and head of the kansas water board is around.
Or steve miller of sunflower electric, (located in HAYS!!!) remains one of the most influential lobbiests in governor leadership’s fan club.
Damn, this is all so transparent, and not much news coverage.
What has to happen for you all to take notice? Does the tap have to run DRY before anyone questions governor leadership on her stance regarding water and ethanol plants? Water vs. pigs like hays and steve irsik?
I guess so. Like I said, you all better be filling your canteens now, before less than chatty kathy and her “water boys” drain the state.
“To allow bigotry to go unchallenged is to commit the same crime as right-thinking people in Nazi Germany in the ’30’s.”
Agreed JB. I’ll stand against your bigots if you stand against mine. OK?
Settlers are to Judaism as OBL is to Islam as Fred Phelps is to Christianity.
To address Mr. Santiago’s continued nonsense:
First of all, I am of partial Jewish heritage, however, I am not a practicing Jew and never have been, not knowing of my Jewish ancestry until I was Forty-Five. I was raised as a Christian, but rejected organized religion twenty years ago.
Secondly, I have always stood up for minorities of any race, color, creed or sexual orientation since I was in my early teens. My lack of bigotry, racism and anti-semitism caused a huge riff with my adopted parents that continues to this day.
Third, in addition to being partially Jewish, I am also part black, Native American and European. None of those things make me better or worse than anyone else. For what it is worth, unless I tell you, you would never know that I was anything other than a typical white American male.
Fourth, I have repeatedly asked Mr. Santiago to post his reasons for his superiority complex IN HIS OWN WORDS. To date, Mr. Santiago has taken the coward’s way out.
As for standing against bigotry – I will ALWAYS stand up to bigots, cowards, racists, homophobes and anti-Semitics of any stripe.
I will ALWAYS stand up to Mr. Santiago, whom I consider to be a coward of the worst kind.
I have children and grandchildren, nieces and nephews that are of all races, colors and creeds. I would be a coward equal to the fear-mongering racist Santiago if I did not challenge hatred in all forms.
It’s easy to be a coward and hide behind copy and paste nonsense mined from Google.
It takes courage to stand up to bigotry.
I am still waiting, Santiago – why do you consider yourself to be superior to me and my family?
I’ll second the call to better understand Ian.
I’d also like to ask the editors for a thread to discuss the future of water in Kansas.
I just heard that Fox has cancelled the OJ interview and book.
Actually, News Corp canceled the book and interview, per http://www.foxnews.com
JR – KFG – DEFINITELY agree that we need to discuss water. KS, especially the west, is going to be in a heap of hurt when the Ogalalla runs dry.
Well, the well known reputable (?) news organization, al jazeera, is reporting 4 carrier battle groups off Baharain, for maneuvers. If so, this provides an answer (not judging its credibility) to my question posted within the last 10 days re: what was going on.
http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=12542
Eagle persons who might occasionally read the posts: I remind you that I’m with ksfg, JR, now hmmm, together with anyone else who I forgot, in requesting a thread on water policy.
Farmgrrl is our most knowledable on the water issue.
The eds DID give us a thread about it awhile back but the timing was over a weekend when kfg is busy. It was also before some of our newer posters had arrived.
Jwink has also expressed interest in a water thread.
So what say you editors? Post us a well started thread on the future of water in Kansas!
Why sure Farm, I’ll post my response to Meadowlark here…
How is 22 weeks or even 30 weeks a ‘day before birth’ abortion? Do you even know how long a pregnancy lasts? 42 weeks to full term. If 1% of abortions are taking place at 22 weeks (the halfway point), I would guess that even FEWER are later. The reason why I brought up amniocentesis is because it is the only verifiable diagnosis of serious chromosomal anomalies. It takes about 3 weeks after amniocentesis is done to get the results back. So here you’re getting results that your baby is severely disabled at 24 weeks or later. THAT is why you’d have abortions that late in the game. And who says O’Reilly is even correct in his statement that ALL of those abortions were done because of temporary depression? Don’t you think that in all of those, at least a few would be legitimate fetal demise?
Interestingly I just had a class the other day on this subject, and one of the reasons for late term abortion was (and note that this isn’t even ON YOUR LIST), was that they didn’t know they were pregnant until they began to show. And this happens more often with younger children who don’t know that when you miss a period that it means you might be pregnant. They don’t raise any suspicion until they are showing. That makes sense doesn’t it? Why isn’t that one on your list if it’s so accurate? That list above sounds like the reasons of getting an abortion in the early months, not the later ones. 99% of abortions happen before 20 weeks.
I had a friend who was a tiny little thing, she carried twins to 6 months (she knew she was pregnant) but hid the pregnancy because she was afraid of what her parents would do.
It also doesn’t address grown women who simply don’t stop menstruating and carry very low and in their back- or are thinking they’re in menopause. I’ve known three people this has happened to, none of them got abortions and had healthy children. But they were pretty shocked to learn that they were not only pregnant, but going to have a baby in less than a month. I would imagine that it might be different if they hadn’t wanted the babies.
What I meant by the abortion not being related to child abuse, a very small number of girls who are abused are going for abortions. It is always the doctor’s and nurses and even teacher’s responsibility- no matter if she is keeping the baby or not- to report suspected abuse. There are 3000 doctors in the state of Kansas who deal with this. Why is ONE being singled out for not reporting (and you don’t even know he didn’t).
If the parent is pushing the child for an abortion – I promise you- if that child doesn’t want it, the doctor isn’t going to do it. It is the LAW that the child has the right to consent for her own medical care regarding her pregnancy. She has to get parent’s permission to get a tylenol for an earache, but she can make all the decisions for her care while pregnant- UNLESS she wants an abortion- and only then she must have her parent’s consent. So tell me why that is Meadowlark? Why can a child choose to keep a baby, but can’t choose not keep the baby?
No feminist wants to protect child rapists. You have that totally backwards. We want to empower girls to come forward and not be afraid. We want them to not be treated like liars when they do so, being victimized by the court system. But the last thing we’re going to do is force a child in that situation to become more isolated and desperate, and set her up for more possible abuse.
Jew Boy,Sorry about commenting here, but they closed the “Open Thread” you opinion was posted on.You said that a Palestinian State was the only solution to the problems in Israel. That wall will solve nothing!Both Jews and Palestinians claim the same land by right of ancestry. The only viable solution is for Israel to accept the Palestinians as equal citizens in a greater state, as should have been done from the beginning. I realize that this will be hard for the Jewish population to live again as a minority, but if the Jewish reputation as skilled negotiators holds water, you’ll make it!Dividing up countries for each cultural group only creates smaller and more ineffectual states, whose only chance at survival is to attack their neighbors. The world doesn’t need any more of those. What it needs is for people of differing cultures/religions to find ways of coexisting peacefully! It,s never easy, but it will be worth the effort to live in peace.
Jed – while I think you have a point I also think that at this time there must be seperation. The key, however, is for Israel to evacuate the Settlements and west Jeruselum and allow for the establishment of a viable Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza.
Ironically, this should be followed by the establishment of a Levant free trade and economic cooperation zone. This should include at least Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan. If the EU continues to snub Turkey then that country makes a logical addition.
These countries share common roots and traditions; Israel and Turkey would also serve as bridges to Europe and the US for trade.
Add my name to the request for a water thread. Don’t know if I’ll have time to participate, but it needs addressed.
PM, I knew a lady that was never able to get pregnant, she and her husband adopted two children, then one day she started having severe pain. They took her to the hospital because they thought it was her gallbladder and guess what? She gave birth to a healthy baby girl, and she was in her 40’s!
Later, that little red haired girl that was such a surprise saved my daughter from drowning.
Mary – I had a teacher who couldn’t have children – until after they adopted! We shared a lot of jokes about that.
Mary I know, it happens more often that we’d like to think.