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- By Phillip Brownlee
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Congratulations to GWEN WELSHIMER and KELLY PARKS on their wins for Sedgwick County Commission. Now. at last, Sedgwick County voters will have representatives who will listen to the people.
AMERICA HELD HOSTAGE:
DAY 2125
Presidency held hostage:799 Days left.
Congress held hostage:54 Days left
HAVE A NICE DAY
OOPSAMERICA HELD HOSTAGE:
DAY 2126
Presidency held hostage:798 Days left.
Congress held hostage:53 Days left
HAVE A NICE DAY
Wellshimer and Parks ran on ano new taxes pledge.Breathless libs are speechless.Will try to raise them anyway.
We need a Pit Bull ban in Wichita ASAP! It was suggested by an animal control officer for me not to walk my dog in my own neighborhood because there are so many Pit Bull dogs around here. I say my rights to quality of life are being stomped on by many people who choose to keep these dogs just for status purposes. I have the right to walk about my community and I should feel safe when doing so. Why should I be expected to hide in my house for fear of being attacked by this breed of unpredictable dog? This problem needs to be addressed and dealt with swiftly so not only I, but other Wichitans can be and feel safe in their own neighborhoods. Ban the breed to prevent bad deeds… Help clean up Wichita of this bullying mentality of keeping Pit Bulls.
I agree with you Wichitagirl.
I suggested to the animal control board that any owner with a dog 50 pounds or larger regardless of breed be required to have for the dog a certification in obedience training; a fenced yard;a $100 registration fee; minimum 7 foot high ‘durable’ fencing; warning signs; 100,000 dollar liability insurance; be registered in the possible vicious animal registry.
It may sound harsh, but we are dealing with an animal with teeth that at 50 pounds and larger can easily kill a small child. Obviously, the larger the animal the more of a threat it can become.
I can’t think of a reason for a private owner to house a large dog in town other than a need for sight/hearing/disability dogs.
Two pit bulls killed six goats by Hutchinson in the last few days. The idiot owners claim the dogs were just trying to play with the goats.
Why would the Beagle put a picture of “Shorty” Sciortino, the loser, in the article about Gwen’s win? Why would they put a picture of Mayans in the Business article about Bellini’s and Melad Stephan and not a picture of the subject of the article?
The Beagle should also do an article about the campaign contributors to all the candidates in the recent local elections, and they should advocate that those contributions be posted on city / county web pages.
Wichitagirl
I sympathize.
A few years ago, a loose young pit bull ALMOST attacked my then 8 year old son. The event could very easily have ended tragically.
As to what you can do? Talk to your neighbors who do not have pit bulls. Agree with them that if ANY of these dogs are EVER seen running loose that all of you will call Animal control. Call multiple times. Be prepared to go to hearings to back up animal control.
In my case, several neighbors had called to complain the day the dog was loose. I and several of my neighbors went to the subsequent hearing. The pit bull owner could not show that she could properly confine her dog. She never got it back. The dog was destroyed.
How a Democratic vet went on offense and help take down the Republican hypocrites.
It was like the Swift Boaters, except they didn’t lie–
“You have to get them in their own backyards and on their own issues,” says Soltz, who was trained as a military logician. “You’ll find a lot of Americans against the war, but not many Americans are against the troops.” He also had to compete against Vets for Freedom, a group with links to the same GOP consultants who floated the Swifties. Soltz says he made it a priority to strike first. In August, he spent a meager $14,000 (some of it on his credit card) to produce a controversial spot against Senator George Allen in Virginia. It featured a vet of the Iraq war unloading an AK-47 into outdated body armor on a firing range. Then the vet blames Allen for not voting to buy modern equipment. Cable news and the blogs went wild. So did the Vets for Freedom, who “strongly denounced” Soltz’s “deceitful” commercial. But with his ads running, Soltz was able to solicit more donations, which paid for body-armor ads in other tight Senate races, subbing in the names of other Republicans in tight Senate races: Rick Santorum, Conrad Burns, Jim Talent, and Jon Kyl. Then Soltz created spots featuring vets in wheelchairs and with amputated arms; he says he spent $2 million overall. “We were on offense, and they were on defense the whole time,” Soltz says. “It was awesome.” And, of course, Allen, Santorum, Burns, and Talent all lost.
http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/24104/
Meanwhile in Baghdad, 100 or 150 Iraqi scientist kidnaped by a group dressed in government uniforms:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/14/iraq.main/index.html
Per NPR just now, 3 have been released, stating they were interrogated and physically abused.
There has got to be a change, Mr. President; surely, the Iraqi government can handle its own security in Baghdad. If not, then the whole program needs to be reviewed and revised, yes, with timetables to get the corrupt SOBs to act.
Pit bulls are a perfect reason for concealed carry.
VT – and there are the guys WE are training and arming.
Anybody see this?
Rights groups file war crimes suit against Rumsfeld
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061114/pl_nm/germany_rumsfeld_dc_1
cnn.com is reporting as breaking news that several senior police officers have been arrested in the kidnaping of the scientists.
Maybe they are fundamentalists and creationists!
This:
“If we had wanted our country to be run by James Baker, we had our chance. He was interested in running for president in 1996 but discovered that his interest in a James Baker presidency was not widely shared. Although he has held a variety of government posts, from undersecretary of commerce under Gerald Ford to secretary of state under Bush the Elder, and has all the trappings of enormous consequence and wisdom, such as a Presidential Medal of Freedom and his own James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy at Rice University, Baker is essentially a political operative. His place in history is Florida 2000, where he secured the presidency for George W. Bush. Reporters were awed by his brilliance and ruthlessness. History may be less admiring of his willingness to make inconsistent arguments and to lie with a straight face.”
From this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/13/AR2006111301058.html
Iraq will still be there after 2008, nothing much will change. Unfortunately American serviceman will continue to die and there is not much the new congress can or will do about it. The mid term elections were and always are predictable to say the least. When we finally do pull out of Iraq they will have to sort things out for themselves and probably break apart. Sad indeed that our guys will have died for a populace that doesn’t care. Certain Americans and Iraqis will make a lot of money in the process but this is the way of war. Our young people die and our elitists get richer. If you have one party or another in power it will not matter. The political system in the USA is ethically and morally bankrupt. Dems and Repubs are the problem they do not represent me or the vast majority of Americans. What can a person do though?
Presidential Puppet Theater
http://mccluer.name/buppet.html
satire of course
ray, only thing I know is to move or become a hermit.No sarcasm intended.
I think my biggest complaint about James A. Baker, III is that right after 9/11 we went to work for the Saudi Royal Family to defend them against any civil law suits that might emerge after the terroist attacks.
He is a true patriot, unless oil money is involved.
Bush is so incompetent though, we welcome the presence of an adult trying to work out the Iraqi mess — even if the adult is a crook and a liar.
Bush is masterful at lowering expectations.
should be “…after 9/11 HE went to work…”
A Liberal’s pledge to disheartened conservative’s and republicans:
To: Conservatives and Republicans
I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:
1. We will always respect you for your conservative beliefs. We will never, ever, call you “unpatriotic” simply because you disagree with us. In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.
2. We will let you marry whomever you want, even when some of us consider your behavior to be “different” or “immoral.” Who you marry is none of our business. Love and be in love — it’s a wonderful gift.
3. We will not spend your grandchildren’s money on our personal whims or to enrich our friends. It’s your checkbook, too, and we will balance it for you.
4. When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will bring your sons and daughters home, too. They deserve to live. We promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or a lie.
5. When we make America the last Western democracy to have universal health coverage, and all Americans are able to get help when they fall ill, we promise that you, too, will be able to see a doctor, regardless of your ability to pay. And when stem cell research delivers treatments and cures for diseases that affect you and your loved ones, we’ll make sure those advances are available to you and your family, too.
6. Even though you have opposed environmental regulation, when we clean up our air and water, we, the Democratic majority, will let you, too, breathe the cleaner air and drink the purer water.
7. Should a mass murderer ever kill 3,000 people on our soil, we will devote every single resource to tracking him down and bringing him to justice. Immediately. We will protect you.
8. We will never stick our nose in your bedroom or your womb. What you do there as consenting adults is your business. We will continue to count your age from the moment you were born, not the moment you were conceived.
9. We will not take away your hunting guns. If you need an automatic weapon or a handgun to kill a bird or a deer, then you really aren’t much of a hunter and you should, perhaps, pick up another sport. We will make our streets and schools as free as we can from these weapons and we will protect your children just as we would protect ours.
10. When we raise the minimum wage, we will pay you — and your employees — that new wage, too. When women are finally paid what men make, we will pay conservative women that wage, too.
11. We will respect your religious beliefs, even when you don’t put those beliefs into practice. In fact, we will actively seek to promote your most radical religious beliefs (”Blessed are the poor,” “Blessed are the peacemakers,” “Love your enemies,” “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God,” and “Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.”). We will let people in other countries know that God doesn’t just bless America, he blesses everyone. We will discourage religious intolerance and fanaticism — starting with the fanaticism here at home, thus setting a good example for the rest of the world.
12. We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and who are bought and paid for by the rich. We will go after any elected leader who puts him or herself ahead of the people. And we promise you we will go after the corrupt politicians on our side FIRST. If we fail to do this, we need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray. Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.
I promise all of the above to you because this is your country, too. You are every bit as American as we are. We are all in this together. We sink or swim as one. Thank you for your years of service to this country and for giving us the opportunity to see if we can make things a bit better for our 300 million fellow Americans — and for the rest of the world.
Sincerely,
The Undersigned
Micheal Moore and 6500 others (so far) including me.http://www.petitiononline.com/mmflint/petition.html
I am outraged by the band of thugs who tried to shut down the voting Center at Church of the Holy Cross. Their disruptive and obnoxious behavior caused delays in voting on Election Day. I was especially outraged to learn that they were from the Republican Party. I switched my vote to a straight Democrat ticket due to this. Intimidating voters is not a family value!
Say, any takers for this story?http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061114/ap_on_re_us/jesus_doll_rejected
Chuckie with a bible?
Dave: Pretty funny. Michael Moore. Here is what a conservative sees:
1. Liberals calling a conservative unpatriotic, chuckle.2. Get ready for homosexual marriage.3. Taxes are going way up.4. You promise not to make a mistake?5. Socialized health care.6. We will push Kyoto down your throat, even if it damages the economy.7. If we don’t protect you and something happens we will get revenge for you , if you are alive.8. Abortion and gay rights are going to be pushed up your…9. We are going to push gun control on you and have the government take away your guns.10. We will make up some phony way to equalize wages for unequal work.11. We will define what is radical religion and that will include things like speech against gays or other pc groups in your churches.12. Chuckle. Sure you will.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Outie
As you are an employer I am little surprised you have a problem with #10.
Glad I don’t work for, with, or around you.
Outlander, if we don’t sign on to Kyoto or something….there won’t be an economy.
See what I mean when I said that libs would take the election as a mandate for all their agenda and encouraged them to do so.
And this with control of only one branch of government.
Keep it coming.
Who says Republicans are bad losers?
Here’s a letter to the editor published in today’s Topeka Capital-Urinal.
“A sorry day
“The post-election headline read: “Democrats’ Day.” Thus it was the sorry day that voters chose to crucify Christ again, resurrect Hitler and render free reign for Satan to continue the slaughter of the unborn, cloning of humans for experimentation and destruction, protection of privacy for child rapists and sacralizing recreational same-gender sex as “marriage.”
“Thanks to Phill Kline for standing firm against such evils by upholding the truth of his Christian beliefs and morals. I wish I could have the honor of saying the same for fellow Catholic, Paul Morrison, who chose instead to betray his party, his country and his professed faith.
“But then perhaps, unlike myself, Mr. Morrison is exempt from rendering an account to God for upholding political views contrary to those of the church and faith he professes to believe in.”
It was signed by “JEANENE A. GILL, Topeka,” a consumate loser.
outlander-Excellent!#12) “Sure you will.” They haven’t done it yet.Kumbaya, libs.Michael Moore.Perfect!
Who says Democrats are bad losers?Headline:”Florida Democrat Puts More Faith in Polls Than Election Results”
and he was beaten by almost 34,000 votes!
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200611/POL20061114b.html
Fleets enema, you really need to tell the whole story about why Florida is having issues with the recounts (AGAIN).
What’s sad about this story is that the election officials STAND by the obviously very wrong election results.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/11/cbsnews_investigates/main2174376.shtml
Now my question is WHY THE HELL HAVEN”T THEY INSTALLED MACHINES WITH PAPER VALIDATIONS? Of course this doesn’t matter if they don’t even have the names on the machine where it can be seen anyway.
The entire election needs to be completely redone there.
Hey monkeyhawk-I’ve found your bad loser.It’s P-Mom.Still whining.
HBO is showing “Hacking Democracy” this month. Anyone with an interest in democracy should see this documentary.
In a stunning climax, 8 people cast votes — 6 Yes, 2 No — on a Diebold optical scanner machine chosen at random from a Florida county’s warehouse. The final tally: 1 Yes, 7 No.
Scary.
fleetwood, maybe you can give me a definition of “winning in Iraq” while you’re at it.
My computer geek watched that show. He told me that all of the information was already known – that the machines are easily manipulated.
Hotlips–
P_Mom can’t be a “bad loser.” Her party kicked your party’s ass, remember.
You’re calling her a “bad loser” out of habit.
There’s only one big loser around here these days: George W. Bush.
Worst. President. Ever.
Enema tell me why it’s asking too much to have a way to validate election results? If you really want the true numbers, there should be a backup. Unless you want people to win by cheating?
This comes in 2 parts — I am asking you to vote / select the funniest and most realisitc — you can email — once
Part 1
My ex (used to work for the Beagle) sent me this right after the election:
The Democratic Agenda (daily I presume)
7:00 P.M. Opening flag burning.
7:15 P.M. Pledge of allegiance to U.N.
7:30 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
7:30 till 8:00 P.M. Nonreligious prayer and worship. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton.
8:00 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
8:05 P.M. Ceremonial tree hugging.
8:15- 8:30 P.M. Gay Wedding, Barney Frank Presiding.
8:30 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
8:35 P.M. Free Sadam Rally, Cindy Sheehan, Susan Sarandon.
9:00 P.M. Keynote speech. The proper etiquette for surrender French President Jacques Chirac.
9:15 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
9:20 P.M. Collection to benefit Osama Bin Laden kidney transplant fund.
9:30 P.M. Unveiling of plan to free freedom fighters from Guantanamo Bay. Sean Penn.
9:40 P.M. Why I hate the Military, The FBI & The CIA? A short talk by William Jefferson Clinton9:45 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
9:50 P.M. Dan Rather presented Truth in Broadcasting award, presented by Michael Moore.
9:55 P.M., Ted Kennedy proposes a toast and speech ?We?ll cross that bridge when we come to it?
10:00 P.M. How George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld brought down the World Trade Center Towers, by Howard Dean.10:30 P.M. Nomination of Hillary Rodham Clinton by Muhamood al-Zaquari
11:00 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
11:05 P.M. Al Gore reinvents Internet
11:15 P.M. Our Troops are War criminals, John Kerry
11:30 P.M. Coronation Of Mrs. Rodham Clinton
12:00 A.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
12:05 A.M. Bill asks Ted to drive Hillary home
Part 2 I sent her this — The Daily Agenda for the Past 5 years
That sounds better than the agenda of the last 5 years:
7:00 P.M. Burn 100 million of taxpayers dollars
7:15 P.M. Pledge of allegiance to Tom Delay / Jack Abramhoff
7:30 P.M. Mark Foley eats a page for breakfast.
7:30 till 8:00 P.M. Gay massuese and Haggard make the rounds of right wing conservatives.
8:00 P.M. Mark Foley snacks on an underage page.
8:05 P.M. Ceremonial oil burning — to drive up the price of oil.
8:15- 8:30 P.M. Gay Wedding, featuring Mark Foley and the Rev. Haggard
8:30 P.M. Foley and Haggard adopt a page
8:35 P.M. Rally to support increasing the national debt and exporting more jobs to 3rd world countries
9:00 P.M. Keynote speech. Abramhoff — video feed from jail, “How to Buy Friends and Influence peddling”
9:15 P.M. Mark Foley cruises the page dorm.
9:20 P.M. Collection to benefit the Tom DeLay defense fund and get Skilling out of jail.
9:30 P.M. Unveiling of plan to raise student loan rates, and cut the Dept. of Education higher education budget by 50%
9:40 P.M. Why I hate the Military, The FBI & The CIA? Republicans who voted to remove 2 Billion from the Military Personnel Budget, provide a skimpy 2.2% pay raise for the military, and approve their own pay raise.
9:45 P.M. Foley kicked out of page dorm.
9:50 P.M. Denny Hastert presented “It’s not my job” finger point award by last years winner Rumsfeld.
9:55 P.M.,Haggard files for divorce from Foley, citing “I found a better massuese
10:00 P.M. Morning briefing: How George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld invaded the wrong country looking for terrorists in Afghanistan.
11:00 P.M. Santorum looks for a Bible to hide behind.
11:05 P.M. Foley looks for a page to hide behind.
11:15 P.M. Book signing “How I made billions for my friends at Halliburton, and screwed the American Taxpayer” — Dick Cheney
11:30 P.M. Boehner announces “I have a boner” — looks for Foley
12:00 A.M. Luncheon banquet to honor the “Saudi friends of Bush”
12:05 A.M. GWB looks for WMD in Rose Garden.
Vote now
ken – the difference is that the first one was fiction; the second historical fact.
Well I believe in balance and equal opportunity / time to entertain a variety of opinions
thanks hmmm
This is funny …
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/16010426.htm
Women will laugh, men will wince at this storyBY STAN FINGERThe Wichita EagleMaybe it was karma.
Three men attempted to kidnap a teenager in a dispute over stereo speakers shortly before 4:45 p.m. Monday, Wichita police reported. One of the three pulled out a gun and fired it at the teen in the 1000 block of South Wichita.
The shot missed the teen. The shooter jammed the gun back into the waistband of his pants… and it went off.
The bullet struck the 23-year-old man in his left testicle, causing him to cringe — which caused the gun to fire again.
The second shot struck him in the left calf.
He walked into Via Christi Regional Medical Center’s St. Francis campus seeking treatment, police said, and was later booked into the Sedgwick County Jail on suspicion of aggravated assault and aggravated attempted kidnapping.
His companions, ages 18 and 20, were arrested for aggravated attempted kidnapping and conspiracy to obstruct justice.
Big monied businesses (insurance companies) in England concerned about Global Warming:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2327795.stm
They are concerned enough to try to pursuade governments to do something about the problem. They aren’t interested in covering the costs of this “made up” problem.
A few of you bushbots wanna look for sunshine amid the doom of your catastrophic defeat.
This is not surprising. Your hero Ronald Reagan once typified Republicans as folks who would sift eagerly through a room full of horse shit…..cause there’s just GOTTA be a pony in there somewhere!
In THIS case, your pony is one errant Joe Lieberman.
SOME of you seem to think Joe is now a very powerful man. Ol’ Joe gonna get even with how the Dems treated him. Hell he might even switch parties.
Allow me please to rain on your parade …..send your pony to the glue factory as it were.
Joe Lieberman is gonna snap to very quickly.
IF he gets froggy at all?
Well WE control the House by a good wide margin! See? The house is where all budgeting starts. SO if ol’ swinging gate Joe doesn’t toe the line? Well then there won’t be much goodies …..or anything else headed back to the good folks in Connecticut!
So? Stick your head BACK in the oven. Crawl BACK under your bed….or rock.
It’s the end of the world as YOU’VE known it!
Have a nice day! : )~
Liberman might feel the Democratic party owes him something. On the other hand, a lot of people in the party might want to get even with him for various things. If he is smart, he’ll keep his head down. Since he was elected as an independent, does he have any seniority left? Does anybody know?
Lieberman’s ONLY loyalty is to the zionist entity and his fellow Christ-killers, that’s all. The man is a traitor, and devoid of any honor or integrity.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
JR: You kill me. Dems are in charge of one branch of government (there are three, you know), and that tenuously, as you mentioned. You’d think you were king. Give it a rest, try to show come class, and like my high school football coach said; “Son, try to act like you’ve been there before”.
Now this is seriously scary as all get out. Christian Fundmentalists are breeding massively for God. What “ARMY” do they think they need for the rapture? Note in the article that anything less than a submissive baby factory is considered to be anti-Christian.
http://www.alternet.org/stories/44254/
Lieberman has been assured by Harry Reid that he will retain his seniority and position for committee chairmanships as a Democrat. If he rolls over and gets into bed with the Republicans, he loses all seniority.
Except for the situation with the war Joe Lieberman has been a true Democrat for years. In many ways he reminds me of Hubert Humphrey.
In foreign policy I wish he would look more to the vision of Yitzak Rabin and less to Ariel Sharon.
daves,
My signature was number 9,142. Thanks for sharing!
Hey, Ian–
Google the name Robert Williams and his book “Negroes with Guns.”
Turns out that on many many occasions blacks have successfully defended themselves from racists like you with the guns you keep easy to get.
The cognitive dissonance must be physically crippling for you . . .
p-mom-How in the world do you people come up with these crazy, lib websites like alternet?Do you Google “whacked out lefties” and see what comes up?You don’t really believe that breeding for God tripe do you?
Well, they sure beat NewsMax and the other Rightie sites!
Outlander lecturing about class … and in this venue, no less. How fucking hysterical.
uh, well enema, you could look at their site personally…
http://www.fullquivermission.com/aboutus.php
To bringing God’s will concerning His plan for families to Christians who have taken the world’s view of Birth Control and insist on preventing the Blessings and Rewards that God would otherwise give them.
Don’t blame alternet just for spreading the word about kooks.
I notice that you said liberal kooks, why not conservative kooks?
What is a “fleets enema”?
Oh and from another quiver site.
about how dangerous vasectomies are for menbwahahaha- I guess they’re the same junk science bud who think abortion causes breast cancer and that Terry Schiavo had a chance at recovery.
http://www.quiverfull.com/birth_control/dangersofvasectomy.html
It’s the brand name of an enema.
Hey outie?
I aint telling your side how to lose.
Try to refrain from telling us how to win ‘k?
Thanks in advance. Go with god and don’t take any wooden nickels. YOUR side has caused an awful lot of pain. Retribution is gonna be a bitch.
‘In what will be one of his last opening statements as Senate Minority Leader, Reid called for the passage of tax breaks for middle-class families and businesses as well as appropriations bills that include funding for veterans’ health care, education and energy programs.
‘‚”For too long, Americans have watched as Washington has ignored their needs, and concentrated on special interests instead,” said Reid, Monday on the Senate floor. “Families have struggled with high health care costs… only to see big drug companies get billions from Congress. Ranchers in Nevada have struggled to fill their tanks with gas… only to see Big Oil companies get tax breaks. In the weeks and months ahead, Democrats will focus our energies on the real challenges facing America, and take concrete steps to protect the country and help working families get ahead.”
‘Reid proposed that the post-election Congressional session be used in part to extend critical middle-class and business tax cuts including the following:
*Deductions for college tuition
*Deductions for state and local sales taxes
*Deductions for out-of-pocket expenses incurred by teachers
*For business, extending the Research and Development, Work Opportunity, and Welfare-to-Work tax credits
*******
Tax-breaks . . . wow, they’re not just for Paris Hilton anymore . . .
JR: Fortunately for our country, retribution may be on the minds of those who think small and vindictive, but not on the minds of those who want to remain in power for more than a few hundred days.
The losers of the last election had best be VERY accomodating during the “lame duck” session. It’ll go easier on them when they are dead ducks……..maybe.
I don’t think I so much identify our friend hotlicks with the process, or brand, of an enema; more the result. HA!
I’m thinking that dear Fleetwood should just learn to google BEFORE he types.
Spare me your notions of high mindedness Outlander. You and yours have been running roughshod for 12 years. That’s over.
Now ya gotta deal with those you all climbed over on the way up.
Since the people in the top 1% of wealth in this country really did not need a tax cut in 2001, how about a return to the 2000 tax scheme and reinstate the inheritence tax?
Relief for the middle class is long overdue. The correction we witnessed on 11-07 was due to the middle class coming to grips with the fact the Bush policies have endangered their futures and the future of their children. Past time for a change.
A woman’s conversion to quiverfull:
One night after the birth of her fourth child — their third “oops” baby due to birth-control failures — when the prospect of tuition for four consumed husband Christopher and their pastor was urging vasectomy, Christopher saw a warrior angel in his dream. A “large, worrying warrior angel” with a flaming sword that he pointed at Christopher’s genitals, telling him, “Do not change God’s plan.”+++++++++++++++++AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Steven: Ina break with a lot of conservatives, I have never understood the popularity of eliminating the inheritance tax. It benefits only the very rich, who found a way around a lot of it anyway.
At it’s former level, a very large amount could be passed along tax free (I would look up the number but I’m too lazy). I would support rolling it back to it’s former level, or just letting it sunset in a couple of years.
Capital gains tax repeal has to go too.
IT has caused too many to think of their own quarterlies and portfolios and NOT the future of the nation and its workers. Big boost to outsourcing that.
And ENOUGH with the lowball cutoff for FICA.
Glad to hear that you don’t 100% tow the Republican line, Outlander.
I am going to have to disagree with JR on Capital gains tax myself. I was in a position of having to downsize in 1990. I sold a house back then valued at 80K and bought a house for about 30K. This made sense to me due to my efforts to save money. Boy, did I get killed with capital gains tax. I learned during the process that the Bush elder was opposed to capital gains. I did not vote for him in ‘92, but GHWBush and I agreed on one issue.
Steven
Well….
An exemption could be made for homeowners like you and your case.
But overall? The elimination of the capital gains tax was tremendously destructive……..for most.
Now I’ve given you an exemption. But let’s start with your case.
You HAD money. You did something for whatever reason to have MORE money. There was no work done. Nothing was built or created. You just made a profit. But YOU paid for it.
Think of all the corporations whose vision has been narrowed over the years. First, they looked at the annuals and how well their shareholders fared.
Then it got down to quarters.
With the elimination of the capital gains tax, corporations can now narrow down to the day to day on how their stockholders fare. Outsource production? Stock price goes up. The affected workers? Too bad. Hey the stockholders are happy. No hit at tax time for them to remind them. The CEO gets a fat bonus. He has got the stockholders richer. No government reminder to him either.
Real estate? No captial gains hit says do what is most profitable with the land…or the houses…or the open spaces. No penalty.
More? Before capital gains tax was repealed, those making those capital gains had to try and shelter the gains from taxes. They gave to charities to get an exemption. Now they don’t have to. So they don’t.
“You HAD money. You did something for whatever reason to have MORE money. There was no work done. Nothing was built or created. You just made a profit. But YOU paid for it.”
But, see I did work – for several years in fact to build up equity in my house. If I had purchased a house that was more expensive than my first I could have kept my money. I paid the price of being stupid. Not something I have done since.
Want some paranoid ranting with your coffee? Read Cal Thomas this a.m.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/editorial/16012319.htm
Steven – I had a similar experience with cap gains when I had to sell a house. However, you should know that the evil Bill Clinton changed that. Now you could sell that house (principal residence) and have no tax on the first $500,000 of capital gains.
Ask your tax accountant; he can give you the details.
Steven Davis. Cal Thomas usually just irritates me, when I bother to read him at all. But his BS today really torqued me off. Being just another right-wing idiot is one thing, but this is waaayy over the line.The jerk.
No kidding. I thought the same thing when I read his rant this morning. That dude is now beyond irritating and laughable.
He is waaaaaaaayyyyyy wacko today.
A couple of funny lines from Cal …
“He said he wants Americans to stay in Iraq so more can be killed …” So, tell me again, why did we create that mess in Iraq?
“extremist Wahhabi sect” – that is based in SAUDI ARABIA. You know, that Kingdom that is such friends with Bush. The place most of the hijackers came from. So, we invade their ENEMY?!