In a country as politically and culturally split as ours, it meant a lot to see people of all colors and beliefs come together this week to dedicate the site of a memorial to the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. When the memorial opens in 2008, Americans will be able to connect with the legacy and life of the great civil rights leader in a special place near the steps where he gave his “I have a dream” speech. That’s a fitting and needed tribute. The nation and world demonstrate every day that they have yet to learn his lessons of tolerance and nonviolence.
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Why ??? There are many great black Americans. George Washington Carver, Rosa Park, Gordon Parks, (locally) A. Price Woodard, Sr., to barely scratch the surface here. Why M.L.K. ? I don’t recall any of the few I recalled being plagarists or known for their infidelities? Who’s next, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, O. J., Rodney King ? Get real, Rhonda! It’s character, not charisma, that counts.
I’d rather see the money go for a memmorial to remind people of his legacy than to destroying Iraq. I think it’s very appropriate.
rm-You forgot incitement to riot.
I think we need a Frank Zappa memorial, an Abbey Hoffman memorial, and a Captain Kangaroo memorial.That about covers all extremes of “whiteness”.
And Edgar Winters and Mr. Rogers
Woody, I’ll take them if I can throw in Rodney Dangerfield.
Ian is the scum of the earth and I look forward to the day when all such “scumbags” are blown up!
Viva Las Vegas!!
hmmm,
Nice reproduction. Mr. Jew Boy really has added to our discourse. Much more effective than my repeated pointing out of Ian’s desire to be manhandled by swarthy men.
aside to J-B:
Happy Chanukkah! (I hope I spelled that right!)
Ian-You’re starting to lose it–Do you have your underwear on backwards again??You really ought to check!!
Ian Santiago,
And the fact that you feel compelled to do so testifies to how small a pissant you really are, and what a giant MLK continues to be.
I have a thought.
Let’s ask Ian who HE thinks we should have a monument of. That could be darkly interesting.
I’ll give you a hin JR – he has a small mustasche.
Why do you all encourage him? Ian is what he is – a racist, self-hating piece of dirt.
Ignore him. Entirely. And he and Ed can go jerk each other off.
I think there is a BIG difference between Ian and Ed.
Ed points out the dangers of extreme zionism. I dont see him as racist, just a realist about our policies regarding Israel.
Ian, on the otherhand, is indeed what he is. Racist.
Please dont lump Ed in the same category. Ed has been proven many times to be correct.
Ian? Just an illustration of the dark side. No pun intended… heheh
GMC-judas, you have nerve to call me SELF-HATING! You and people like you would become orgasmic at the though of your daughter fornicating with an aids infecting, low iq negro thug. If you are lokking for self-hate and depravity then lokk at your own ugly mug in the mirror.
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!!
BTW – I have always thought that one appropriate memorial would be to put a large brass/marble/bronze (I’ll leave it to the architects/engineers out there to pick the right material) plaque on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial on the spot where MLK gave his “I have a dream” speech.
While some would argue that we shouldn’t modify the Lincoln memorial, I kinda think Lincoln would approve.
KFG -
I’ll beg to differ as to Ed. Certainly, there are legitimate differences of opinion as to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Reasonable people can believe that the Palestinians are in the right (though I don’t think it’s that simple, and that’s not the point here).
But Ed’s views are laced with large doses of pure anti-semitism. It frankly strips any credibility away, and makes him little different than Ian.
Ian and Ed are nothing alike.
Ed posts good sources for his issues with ZIONISTS.
Ian hates everybody that isn’t Ian.
Ian you still have not said who you want a monument to.
GMC, I feel as you concerning an appropriate memorial. I also concur that Lincoln would approve.
I haven’t seen a date yet that the to-be-built MLK memorial will be finished and open. Anybody know? I hope to return to DC in 2010, and I’d like to see it.
Spring of 2008 RD. You should be in luck.
Here ya’ go you self-hating peanut.
Question: “What does the Bible say about racism, prejudice, and discrimination?”
Answer: The first item to understand in this discussion is that there is only one race ‚Äì the human race. Caucasians, Africans, Asians, Indians, Arabs, Jews, etc. are not different races. Rather, they are different ethnicities of the human race. All human beings have the same physical characteristics (with minor variations of course). More importantly, all human being are created in the image and likeness of God (Genesis 1:26-27). God loves the entire world (John 3:16). Jesus laid down His life for everyone in the entire world (1 John 2:2). The “entire world” obviously includes all ethnicities of humanity.God does not show partiality or favoritism (Deuteronomy 10:17; Acts 10:34; Romans 2:11; Ephesians 6:9), and neither should we. James 2:4 describes anyone who shows discrimination as “judges with evil thoughts.” Instead, we are to “love our neighbors as ourselves” (James 2:8). In the Old Testament, God divided humanity into two “racial” groups: Jew and Gentile. God’s intent was for the Jews to be a kingdom of priests, ministering to the Gentile nations. Instead, for the most part, the Jews became proud of their status and despised the Gentiles. Jesus Christ put an end to this, destroying the dividing wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:14). All forms of racism, prejudice, and discrimination are affronts to the work of Christ on the cross.
Jesus commands us to love each other as He loves us (John 13:34). If God is impartial, and loves us with impartiality, that means we need to love others with that same high standard. Jesus teaches at the end of Matthew 25 that whatever we do to the least of his brothers, we do to Him. If we treat a person with contempt, we are mistreating a person created in God’s image; we are hurting somebody that God loves and Jesus died for.
Racism, in varying forms and to various degrees, has been a plague on humanity for thousands of years. Brothers and sisters of all ethnicities, this should not be! To victims of racism, prejudice, and discrimination ‚Äì you need to forgive. Ephesians 4:32 declares, “Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.” No, racists do not deserve your forgiveness, but we deserved God’s forgiveness far less! To perpetrators of racism, prejudice, and discrimination ‚Äì you need to repent and “…present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God” (Romans 6:13). May Galatians 3:28 be completely realized, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
Tracy:
We agree occasionally, and disagree often. But to the previous post: AMEN!
GMC, thanks.Here’s some more for peanut brain.
Question: “Are there any black people mentioned in the Bible?”
Answer: The Bible does not specifically identify any person as being black skinned. The Bible also does not specifically identify any person as being white skinned. The vast majority of the Bible took place in the middle east, in and around Israel. Neither “black” or “white” people are common in these regions. The vast majority of the people in the Bible were “Semitic” – light to dark brown in complexion. Ultimately, it does not matter what skin color the people in the Bible were. Skin color is meaningless in the message of the Bible. We all need to take our eyes off of the skin, and focus on the soul.
Many scholars guess that Moses’ wife Zipporah might have been black since she was a Cushite (Numbers 12:1). Cush is an ancient name for an area of Africa. Some propose that Bathsheba (2 Samuel 11:3) was black. Some believe that the Queen of Sheba who visited Solomon (1 Kings 10:1) was black. The Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8:37 may have been a black man. Ethiopians are mentioned around 40 times in the Bible, and the Prophet Jeremiah asked, “Can the Ethiopian change his skin …” (Jeremiah 13:23). The “Simeon called Niger” in Acts 13:1 may have been black.
The Bible, though, does not specifically say that any of these people were black. Most Bible teachers believe that black people are descendants of Noah’s son Ham (Genesis chapter 10, verses 6-20), but we cannot be sure since the Bible does not specifically say. Why aren’t there more black people in the Bible? The vast majority of events in the Bible took place in the land of Israel. Although black people were common in many regions nearby Israel, Israel has never been an area were many black people have settled.
Congrats, Trace, you post up a bunch of pseudo-Christian sophistry and judas-gmc70 jumps to your amen corner.
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
You mean where people are given advantages based on the color of their skin, rather than the content of their character?
Martin Luther King was a plagiarist? So what? Doris Kearns Goodwin (Ph.D. Harvard and Harvard instructor), the Pulitzer-prize-winning presidential historian did. So did the late Stephen Ambrose. It happens. Actually most ideas published represent other people’s ideas, and failure to attribute is not uncommon.
Dr. King earned a Ph.D. in systematic theology from Boston University. Anyone who has written a thesis knows that a student’s research advisor bears substantial responsibility for reviewing a thesis before it is submitted to a thesis committee, whose members also bear responsibility for critiquing deficiencies, which the candidate is then given the opportunity to correct. So BU faculty were strongly at fault, if anyone wants to quibble about non-attribution, because they were expert scholars who were supposed to enlighten and guide their student in scholarly procedures.
People can spend their money on Dr. King’s memorial all they want.
Presidents stood there and said it was a worthwhile project. Feds provided the spot.
It’s okay to complain, but give proper due to great people this nation has created.
Presidents, no matter how bad their policies are great people for getting the job.
Dr. King made society change, more powerfully than Presidents in his time period.
Dissenters can go on and on how imperfect Dr. King was. He made mistakes, but his complete body of work is without reproach. History has properly rewarded him as a necessary icon in the civil rights movement.
He earned a federal memorial and its being built by people who appreciated his life. The world appreciated Dr. King’s society obstruction without violence ways.
Many countries today could use those teachings. Thousands just sit in one place for days on end until change happens. Just marching a protest isn’t enough. Tens of thousands can stop any society from commerce occuring.
It maybe could stop wars.
Rioting never works to change society.
Ian, how many people come to your defense here?Hell. “pissed weazel” the nazi doesn’t even do that.GMC, I’m sure you’re good people.Ya’ ever need a friend just call.I’m in the book.
Heart:
I’m assuming that you have written a thesis, and, if so, I applaud your effort … it’s no small task. Certainly, you would agree that there quite a bit of landscape between a thesis and a dissertation, a monumental feat. MLK’s plagarism was certainly not limited to an omitted attribution or two in his dissertation … indeed, it was a chronic and ongoing trademark of his career. And certainly, one of his lesser transgressions. I’m simply following his request and judging him, not by the color of his skin, but the content of his character. And I find that content woefully lacking.
Why do you guys always take Ian’s bait? Ian deserves to be treated just like Fred Phelps…shut the door, stop talking to him and he’ll eventually GO AWAY.
rm, since you seem to know so much about King’s plagiarism, would you please explain? Was it plagiarism of an idea or of exact words and phrasing? It DOES make a difference.
KFG,
Thanks for the info on the opening date. I missed the announcement of it.
As one example that comes to mind, much of the famous “I Have a Dream” speech was lifted verbatim from a speech written by one of John Kennedy’s speechwriters when he was running for or in Congress in the 1950’s. Why are you so focused on the plagarism accusation … compared to the womanizing, questionable (at best) financial dealings, inciting riots, etc.? I have already said the plagarism is certainly the least of his flaws. I’m not saying the man was Charlie Manson, for Christ’s sake, I’m just saying that the man v. the myth are a long way apart. And to erect a monument in the shadow of Washington, Lincoln, Madison, etc., is folly and an insult to black men and women whose characters are beyond reproach and whose contributions to this country are immense.
King was the symbol of the civil rights movement, possibly the most important transition that this country has ever made. Inciting riots? I don’t think that was his message. As far as his “plagerism”, do any of the political leaders write their own material?One of his most inspiring writings (more inspiring, in my opinion, than the “I have a dream speech”) was done while he was incarcerated, I doubt he had any help with that one.He was a great man who was monumentally instrumental in changing the country for the better.Yes, he was human, just like John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Abraham Lincoln, Frankilin Rossevelt, and others, but he was still a great man who moved the country in a very positive and important direction for all of us.