“…trolling for bribes” Murtha” ??

It looks like he was “trolling” for LEGAL INVESTMENTS in his district, during the FBI’s 54 minute attempt to bribe him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABSCAM#John_Murtha.27s_involvement“Full length versions of the tape [9]show that the FBI undercover operative REPEATEDLY attempted to offer Rep. Murtha money, whereby Rep. Murtha declined.

The U.S. Attorneys Office declined prosecution of Mr. Murtha, reasoning that the Congressman’s intent was to obtain investment in his district, the very premise of the FBI operation.

Retired FBI Agents familiar with the investigation felt that Murtha was “stringing along” a group of “businessmen”, seeing whether they would “put up or shut up” and invest in Western Pennsylvania. Mr. Murtha’s district had been extremely hard hit economically.”——And Murtha was re-elected 10 times after that “sting”, despite it being brought up during campaigns.

Actually, GMC, the transcript shows a man who really wants the money, but is trying desperately NOT to take a bribe.

Admirable? Not particularly. But as a lawyer, you should (and DO) know better.

None of which makes it mildly relevant to criticism of Lott, except as a “so’s your mother!” retort.

So your charge of racism stands?

I’ll meet you back at that thread where you made it.

Ah – now I do remember. The point was that the complaints about the rodeo had less to do with the rodeo and more about who the rodeo tended to cater to. I suspect that is entirely the case. I won’t retract that statement – sorry. Your own comment invited just that conclusion. Read it again.

The rest of the thread is funny. Folks, my ancestors didn’t claw their way to the top of the food chain for me to surrender that position now. Join me the 29th, JR. Opening of rifle season for deer. I won’t hestitate to shoot it myself. Or dress it out. Or eat it. And enjoy same. A day in the field will remind us both that these controversies really aren’t that important in the big picture.

And I didn’t dig up Teddy’s mess, JR, another poster did. KFG did her damnest to divert by smear, insinuating that Laura Welch’s accident was the same Kennedy’s; to do so of course takes a radical rewrite of both incidents. Kennedy’s mess was what it was. LB’s was not. Only KFG, with her own specially tinted glasses, chooses not to see the difference. It doesn’t matter, both were a long time ago.

My position busted? Only in your tired, delusional eyes. And KFG, as usual, missed the point.

And yes, “trolling for bribes” Murtha has lost his bid – good thing. It still leaves Hastings, with “impeachable” credentials! (pun entirely intended)

I’m a little late. GMC’s whole problem is now irrelevant. Murtha didn’t get to be majority leader.

He might get to be head of the defense commitee though.

Aww GMC I just call it petty digging up 26 year old or 40 stories and twisting them around. (Irellevant it may be? Your position was thoroughly busted.)

Huh I guess you do too.

What is it you say? Pot meet kettle?

What is ALSO fun is the farmgrrl dancing you off your feet while you bit…..sorry I’ll raise the discourse….gripe about the dance, the tune, the dance hall, the other dancers, and the punch!

MORE disturbing to me is that your usually clinical commentary departed into a false accusation…..and YOU don’t even remember it. You are better than that. Anybody can screw up though.

On the rodeo thread you called me and other posters who wanted those rodeos ended racists….or it might have been bigots. I forget. It was a forgettable thread with few posts. It died shortly after I answered your charge.

Seventeen year old poor judgment?

Premeditated man slaughter? Murder?

Unintentional consequences?

Perhaps, as with Ted Kennedy, it is best to trust the judgment of those in LE at the time.

If you make the case for one, you have to make the case for the other.

“uncivil, unwashed posters to our lowminded discourse”

You said it, I didn’t. But that generally sums it up.

I didn’t raise Kennedy’s mess. And you’re right, it’s not the issue here. But I’ll be damned if I’ll let you smear others by pretending that LB’s accident was the same thing. Even YOU know better than that. Or are you admitting you failed the “pick out the differences” test?

And JR, you didn’t read the entire transcript, did you? Don’t like the transcript? Watch the video – it’s available too. Trolling for bribes just about sums it up. Just keep that head buried in the sand, and tell yourself “the Dems are all honest.” Repeat liberally (pun intended). You’ll convince yourself it’s true. Eventually. You’re niave enough, it appears.

They’re politicians, JR. It’s inherent in the breed. “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

And just when did I call you a racist? If I did so, I MIGHT apologize – if warranted. Remind me.

Finally -

“I despise you people but it would be nice to have at least ONE I could respect.”

And that’s the difference between us, JR. I can respect someone even as I disagree with them. It’s called being an adult.

still laughing at gmc.

Maybe if we are lucky he will, yet again, pick up his toys and stomp out of the blog in a huff again. Leave us uncivil, unwashed posters to our lowminded discourse. Whatever would we do? (Hand wringing here)

Ya know, he is so above it all….

And then he changes the subject to Murtha.

I am sure there is some high minded latin term for that bait and switch while ignoring the truth arguement, but I dont know what it is.

“laura bush’s car has killed more people than my gun. Ban laura’s car” would work equally well, no?

Poor conservatives. They just cant handle the truth. Their arguements remain BILL CLINTON! TED KENNEDY! JOHN MURTHA!

hehehe.

BTW, GMC, how did that work for you all in the last election?

He could call the company:DumbFuck Doctor

Yes Hank I got your point. “This was a battle the war will end differently.”

Don’t think so. The Alamo comparison is flawed mostly because the story of that battle itself is flawed. (Heroic stand my eye. Buncha guys got duped by a land baron, a martinet, and a failed politician into a hopeless battle) We could do volumes on that. But how else was I gonna explain “El Deguello”? Remember Newts contract on America? That spirit REVERSED is what I want Pelosi to hand the shell shocked GOP survivors.

Like I say bush wouldn’t get it. He’d likely think “El Deguello” was a drink or new dance.

I’ll put the rest of my response in an email.

I got your point, did you get mine?

I saw no alliteration in your remarks.

Hank

As for Laura, it was an intersection she knew well. And she knew what time her ex-boyfriend would be approaching. Just another “Bush Fishy Story,” maybe. Maybe not. But you have no more facts on it than you do on Kennedy.

Uhm, right, GMC.

From YOUR link (the American Spectator, no less):

“I want this connection in my goddamn district. I’m delighted to do business with him, and do every goddamn thing I can within bounds, you know, so I don’t get myself in jail, in order to get him into the country and whatever needs to be done.”

A man who wants to do everything he can for his goddamn district, within bounds. What a scumbag, huh?

BTW, even if Murtha TOOK the money, that doesn’t make your tu quoque argument any more valid. Lott’s bizarre endorsement of a segregationist presidential campaign should judged on its own merit.

Uh….Wouldn’t that be YOU Outie? I try to keep track of who and who has not served in the military.

Don’t remember you mentioning it.

But you remain slavishly in favor of the war dont you?

It’s called “projection” Outie. And you are doing it.

Ah say, ah say, JR…,that little chickenhawk is you.

(shaking head sadly)

Tsk, tsk.

By doing the Kennedy thing to death you join Rush, Hannity, and assorted “bushbots” on this forum.

All that has happened in 40 YEARS and you join the crowd that runs to the past and says “But LOOK LOOK! SEE? Dems are BAD!”

And you never DID apologize for calling ME a racist.

I had such high hopes for ya.

Isn’t there a conservative ANYWHERE worthy of respect? I despise you people but it would be nice to have at least ONE I could respect.

Any doubts about Murtha? Read the transcript of the video. You’ll lose ‘em.

No difference??????

Lets see – traffic accident at 17, party in other car killed, no drinking.

VS

Car runs off bridge when driver – a Senator of a wealthy and privileged family – is snockered. Passenger (and likely mistress) drowns, driver makes no attempt to rescue his passenger; instead flees scene to sober up. Daddy, with deep pockets, bails son out of deep trouble.

Can anyone pick out the Kennedy? Hands please!!!

Did I miss anything, KFG? Shall we play the Sesame Street “pick out the differences” game?

It is what it is, KFG. It won’t go away. And comparing Laura Welch (now Bush)’s accident to Kennedy’s incident shows just how much you’d like it to go away.

I didn’t raise it. But I’ll not stand by while you smear indiscriminately.

More important – how do the “squeeky clean” new democrats put Abscam Murtha and impeached judge Hastings in the positions they may hold? It’s all about ethics, right? I mean, we crucify a Senator for a kind comment to a colleague during his 100th birthday celebration, but overlook Murtha’s trolling for bribes on videotape? C’mon.

Anyone see a difference here??? Hands, anyone???

I’m more concerned about Murtha’s support for earmarks.