It turns out the Republicans’ first move as a minority in the Senate was to dip into the past, by electing Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., as minority whip. He will serve as the second to Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., who was unanimously elected as minority leader to replace the retiring Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn. Why McConnell would want a former majority leader breathing down his neck is a mystery. Lott, of course, gave up his leadership job in 2002 after suggesting at Strom Thurmond’s 100th birthday party that the nation would have been better off if then-segregationist Thurmond had won the presidency in 1948.
The election of these unequivocally partisan leaders hardly suggests the Republicans are ready to reach out to the other side. Then again, Senate Democrats are sticking with their sometimes caustic leadership team, too — Harry Reid of Nevada will be majority leader, and Dick Durbin of Illinois will be majority whip.
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Thank you God, for this gift.
This should really fire up outgoing RNC Chair Ken Mehlman’s outreach to African-American voters.
Oh No! Gasp!
You mean the GOP could do worse than the 10% of the black vote they get now?
LOL
We might as well run up the confederate flag and march around in white sheets before we could do any worse the the black vote.
See???
The other side doesn’t wanna “make nice” either.
Screw bipartisanship we won.
I said it before. The message would be likely be lost on bush since he isn’t a real Texan. But this January I’d like to see Nancy Pelosi take the gavel and then yield the floor to a lone bugler playing “El Duguello” Let bush know we are gonna make him wish he was back at the Alamo with Travis.
Trent Lott got a raw deal on the ridiculous, woosified, pandering reaction to his Strom Thurmond 100th birthday party comments. But can’t the Senate Republicans look forward a bit for their leaders?
The last 6 years have been a period of looting America and setting things up to sell it off to foreigners. The Dems can’t raise taxes enough to pay off the astronomical national debt, or reverse the course of its sister, trade deficit.
American Imperialism will fail, as history makes clear. The neo-Imperialist, i.e. Communist, Russian expansion failed. British, Spanish, French, Portuguese and Dutch colonial imperialism failed. The Roman Empire failed. The Macedonian/Hellenistic empire of Alexander and his generals failed. Imperial Egypt, Babylon and Assyria failed. Not at the outset, but eventually. They successfully at first sucked other people’s resources, but parasitized colonies’ people ultimately concluded that they didn’t want outsiders to subjugate and oppress them, so they subverted “the machine”.
Our question is, can we recover from the imperialists’ recent depredations? I think we can.The United States has been a magnet for can-do people. One. Two, we have fantastic natural resources. We can become independent of OPEC nations’ oil. We can manufacture products here to satisfy people’s needs.
Anyway, in the 2006 election a lot Americans woke up to the fact that the GOP was bamboozling them. Here in Kansas, we elected two Democrats to four House seats, and had the misguided Eagle been smart and helped native-Kansans Garth McGinn, instead of siding with the carpet-bagging South Dakotan RNC water-carrier, it would have been three out of four.
I say finaly the GOP has decided to stop playing nice. Murtha an ABSCAM co-consprirator, Harry Reed (Dem) being named by Abramhoff, Ted Kennedy (Dem) and Chapaquedick murder – should I go on? Trent lot and a thoughtless comment or Robert Byrd (DEM) an ex-commander of the Klu Klux Klan. Finally the Republicans are saying clean up your own house before you start on ours. When Foley was exposed he was gone- same with Bob Ney – same with Duke Cunningham. GOP kicks them out DEMs just embrace them and then they become leaders. I wonder who will get the last laugh here. Maybe this will give them all something to fight about and they will leave the legislation alone and forget to raise our taxes.
kansasgerm
“Ted Kennedy (Dem) and Chapaquedick murder”
I think laura bush has as many kills as Ted….
Hey germie?
Just what law did Murtha break? I’m sorry I missed where being offered a bribe and turning it down is illegal.
But hey, GLOVES OFF!
If the election had not started to set things right I was ready to take you folks on mano a mano. And I definitely don’t play nice: )
I, for one, will congratulate Sen. Lott on his comeback.What you see in the media is not at all what I have experienced in my interactions with the senator and his staff (see McCain, John).
Laura Bush stayed around and faced the music. She didn’t go home and sleep off a hangover and THEN call authorities. Was Nancy Jo Kopeckney dead when she went in the water or did she drown while he was at home snoozing.
Hey JR listen to the whole tape and you will see he didn’t refuse to take it down the line – he just wanted to make sure it wasn’t a setup. Stretch your mind – it might be enlightening.
JR:
It’s not that simple for Murtha, and he did a lot more than “turn down a bribe.”http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200601%5CPOL20060113d.html
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10426
He’s also neck-deep in exactly the “culture of corruption” democrats railed against. Once again, the more things change, the more they stay the same. “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/15/politics/main2183211.shtml
But Murtha’s nothing. Apparantly, an impeached federal judge (Hastings, for corruption, bribery, perjury) is set to chair intelligence.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/31/AR2006103101314.html
Wow.
And there’s real change in Washington, huh! That’s sarcasm, JR.
Did I really expect any different? No.
Ah JR,
The Alamo was a mere battle in the much larger conflict between Mexico and Texas.
Before you book the bugler you might, on your next trip to Texas, make note of the flags that proudly wave over the Texas flags.
Hank
Trent Lott, the old hair-helmet.
Man, I missed that guy . . . well, actually I missed the worst hair-piece ever created, held on with rubber cement and the grace of God, apparently.
Hank got my aliteration? I KNOW bush wouldn’t. XXX probably would.
For those who don’t know.
I said Nancy Pelosi should take the gavel and then yield the floor to a lone bugler blowing “El Deguello”. YOU know, to send the “texan” bush a message?
This was a Spanish bugle call adapted by the Mexicans. It really is quite a lovely melody with a rather sinister definite connotation.
It is also called the “cutthroat” call.
When it is played, it tells the enemy, “No quarter, no prisoners, survivors put to the sword!
Pelosi should do it and then have someone explain it to bush!
Ya can’t make nice with Republicans. Nice aint in ‘em.
Wasn’t it Trent Lott that forced the Navy into paying for the conversion of 2 cruise ships to some sort of Naval Vessels?
Truth is neither party is without ethics, integrity and morality violations —- and we elect them!!
A big part of the ethics solution is having the citizenry write the ethics rules we expect them to abide by — and the Ethics committee should consist of intelligent, educated citizens — not the politicians themselves …. the question is how do we make that happen ?
A good start would be quite the childish sniping at each other and insist that our politicians change the way they do business … most of them are as guilty of violating our trust and confidence and undermining our Democracy in the process — our opinion / confidence in Congress is lower than it is of the President — go figure —-
who did laura bush kill?
She ran a stop sign and killed her friend’s boyfriend.
W. Bush also killed his unborn child when abortion was still illegal back in 1971.
And there’s the 3,000 American soldiers dead for a pack of lies in Iraq.
Her boyfriend back in Midland Texas. She ran a stop sign and broadsided him. Accidently, of course.
But I get damn tired of the cons here dragging out teddy when they need a whipping boy. If you have to pick on the same guy, over and over, from that far back, I’d say desperation has set in.
So I never miss a chance to point out that pickles has as manny kills as teddy. Accidents happen.
If you wanna rehash it, go somewhere else. I know the GOP likes to live in the past, (except where the chimperer’s drug use, DUI’s and AWOL military career are concerned)….
but pul-eeze!!! Put that old dog OUT. It doesnt hunt anymore.
I think it was LAURA’s own boyfriend, no? Maybe I am wrong about that. I’ll check “the google” on “the internets”.
“Laura Bush stayed around and faced the music.”
No, she didnt have to swim for help, while injured, as HER accident happened in broad daylight at a very public intersection after an INTENTIONAL act.
So yeah, kinda hard for her to duck the blame on THAT one.
And she didnt have BUSHCO to cover up for her back then… like they have always done for the preznit.
Seems like there are many accounts on the internets (heheheh) of pickles’ accident, but I like this one…
http://www.bartcop.com/pickles2.htm
Oh, but I was wrong about one thing. It happened at 8pm not in broad daylight. Laura and her friend were on their way to a party that night.
Kennedy did it. ksfrmgrl can be sick of hearing about it all she wants, but it doesn’t change anything.Kennedy = Coward
Libs = re-elect a murderer, over and over, and try to rationalize it.
Yeah, KFG, nisdirection seems to be the CONSTANT meme. Questions about Lott? NOO! MURTHA! TEDDY!
It’s just a variation on “CLINTON! CLINTON!”
But the ‘tu quoque’ form of argument just isn’t valid, no matter how insistently it’s applied.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/tuquoque.html
C’mon KFG -
You’re not that naive.
Kennedy’s “incident” and Laura Bush’s accident are NOT even on the same ballpark, let alone the same thing. If Kennedy was anyone but a Kennedy, he’d of been convicted of manslaughter.
Laura Bush had a traffic accident. Period. And Ms. Bush isn’t elected to anything.
I’m not want to drag up Kennedy’s “incident.” But let’s not pretend Kennedy’s killing is something it’s not. And let’s not try to divert attention from it by pretending Laura Bush’s accident was remotely similar.
Reminds me of a favorite bumper sticker: “Ted Kennedy’s car has killed more people than my gun. Ban his car.”
And fleetwood – writes suspiciously like “hotlick” One and the same?
“And fleetwood – writes suspiciously like “hotlick” One and the same?”
Yes. He changed nics because he was tired of all the jokes! Seriously, it was posted. :)
gmc-One and the same.
Are Democrats Turning a Blind Eye to Civil Liberty?
by Paul Craig Roberts
Unless November’s new blood improves the Democratic Party’s civil liberties pedigree, the Democrats will have failed even before they are sworn in next January.
In its disregard for truth, public opinion, the separation of powers, the Geneva Conventions, the US Constitution and statutory law, the Bush administration has been more of a regime than an administration. The Bush/Cheney executive branch has operated independently of all the constraints that provide accountability and prevent despotism.
The Bush regime was able to evade these restraints, because Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and because Republicans wielded 9/11 as a weapon to forestall political opposition.
With signing statements and other unilateral declarations of presidential authority, the Bush regime asserted executive branch powers beyond the reach of Congress and the judiciary.
The Bush regime was a coup d’état against the Bill of Rights and the jurisdictions of Congress and the courts. Unless Democrats roll back this coup, Americans have seen the last of their civil liberties.
Judging by Democrats’ statements in the flush of their electoral victory, Democrats have little, if any, awareness of this critical fact. Democrats are anxious to get on with their agendas and have shown no recognition that the first order of business is to repeal the legislation that permits torture, warrantless detention and domestic spying.
If Bush threatens to veto the resurrection of US civil liberty, the Democrats can impeach Bush as a tyrant as well as for pushing America into an illegal and catastrophic war on the basis of lies and deception.
Bush is the most impeachable president in American history. However, the incoming Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, has declared impeachment to be “off the table.” Obviously, this means that Bush will not be held accountable and that the Bill of Rights is a casualty of the vague, undefined, and propagandistic “war on terror.”
Do Pelosi and the incoming Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid have the intellect and character to deliver the leadership required for Americans to remain a free people? Instead of bemoaning the damage Bush has done to civil liberty, Democrats are up in arms over one child in five being raised in poverty. The more important question is whether children are being raised as a free people protected by civil liberties from arbitrary government power.
Do Democrats share the delusion of Bush supporters that it is only Middle Eastern terrorists who are deprived of the protection of the US Constitution? One can understand the reluctance of Americans to extend constitutional protection to terrorists who are trying to kill Americans. However, without these protections, there is no way of ascertaining who is a terrorist.
Currently, a “terrorist” is anyone given that designation by any of a large number of unaccountable government officials and military officers. No evidence has to be provided in order to detain a designated suspect. Moreover, designated suspects can be convicted in military tribunals on the basis of secret evidence not made available to them or to any legal representation that they might be able to secure. In other words, you are guilty if charged.
As the case of US citizen Jose Padilla makes clear, these gestapo police state proceedings apply to Americans. Padilla was declared to be an “enemy combatant.” He was held in a US prison for three and one-half years with no charges and no warrant. He was kept in isolated confinement, tortured, and denied legal representation.
In order to avoid US Supreme Court jurisdiction over the case, the Bush regime filed charges after stealing three and one-half years of Padilla’s life. However, the charges have no relationship to the Bush regime’s original allegations that Padilla, an Hispanic-American, was an al Qaeda operative who was going to set off a radioactive dirty bomb in an American city. The US government no longer designates Padilla as an “enemy combatant.” The dirty bomb charge has disappeared, and US Federal District Judge Marcia Cooke has criticized the government’s indictment as vague with sketchy evidence “weak on facts.”
The reason that the Bush regime wants to detain people indefinitely without evidence is that it has no evidence. The reason the Bush regime passed torture legislation is in order to produce the missing evidence by torturing a suspect into self-incrimination. “Evidence” procured by torture has been illegal in civilized societies for centuries. But the Bush regime has resurrected the medieval rack and substituted it for the Bill of Rights.
If Democrats cannot bring themselves to rectify the inhumane and barbaric practices that now pass for US justice, then they, too, have failed the American people.
November 13, 2006
Paul Craig Roberts [send him mail] wrote the Kemp-Roth bill and was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is author or coauthor of eight books, including The Supply-Side Revolution (Harvard University Press). He has held numerous academic appointments, including the William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University and Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He has contributed to numerous scholar journals and testified before Congress on 30 occasions. He has been awarded the U.S. Treasury’s Meritorious Service Award and the French Legion of Honor. He was a reviewer for the Journal of Political Economy under editor Robert Mundell. He is the co-author of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.
Copyright © 2006 Creators Syndicatehttp://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts182.html
Yeah it make sooooo much sense for the Republicans to keep plugging away by choosing people from the good ole boy, ultra conservative club. The more ya’ll keep plugging away at being ultra conservative, the more people will come to the Democratic side.
So GMC, I self corrected that I had the wrong time for the accident.
Care to point out what is incorrect in my post?
Both were traffic accidents. No charges were filed in either.
Readers may and will draw their own conclusions.
And lott is STILL a racist bastid. Teddy notwithstanding.
I agree Ed, but here’ the thing, if congress passes a law banning the signing statements, he’ll just veto it.
I’d LOVE to do an etch-a-sketch on the last 6 years, just remove any and all legislation passed, and go like it’s 2000.
But that will never happen as long as Bush wields the power of the pen.
Yeah, Mom, that’s why a SCOTUS decision holding signing statements not to have any legal effect is needed. Not currently holding my breath on that one, but there is hope….
Given the scary odds of Bush getting another appointment, a Dem Senate was mandatory. It remains to be seen whether the current lineup will enough, or whether it’s already too late. . .
We may just have to endure the next two years.
“if congress passes a law banning the signing statements, he’ll just veto it.”
Ah, no, pmom, he’s just threaten a veto, sign it, then make it irrelevant with a signing statement! ;-)
BTW, GMC, I found ‘CNS News’ to be a tad amusing. They actually quote Accuracy in Media, as if that nutjob organization was a credible source!
I’m more concerned about Murtha’s support for earmarks.
KFG -
No difference??????
Lets see – traffic accident at 17, party in other car killed, no drinking.
VS
Car runs off bridge when driver – a Senator of a wealthy and privileged family – is snockered. Passenger (and likely mistress) drowns, driver makes no attempt to rescue his passenger; instead flees scene to sober up. Daddy, with deep pockets, bails son out of deep trouble.
Can anyone pick out the Kennedy? Hands please!!!
Did I miss anything, KFG? Shall we play the Sesame Street “pick out the differences” game?
It is what it is, KFG. It won’t go away. And comparing Laura Welch (now Bush)’s accident to Kennedy’s incident shows just how much you’d like it to go away.
I didn’t raise it. But I’ll not stand by while you smear indiscriminately.
More important – how do the “squeeky clean” new democrats put Abscam Murtha and impeached judge Hastings in the positions they may hold? It’s all about ethics, right? I mean, we crucify a Senator for a kind comment to a colleague during his 100th birthday celebration, but overlook Murtha’s trolling for bribes on videotape? C’mon.
Anyone see a difference here??? Hands, anyone???
Rage:
Any doubts about Murtha? Read the transcript of the video. You’ll lose ‘em.
Disappointed in ya GMC.
(shaking head sadly)
Tsk, tsk.
By doing the Kennedy thing to death you join Rush, Hannity, and assorted “bushbots” on this forum.
All that has happened in 40 YEARS and you join the crowd that runs to the past and says “But LOOK LOOK! SEE? Dems are BAD!”
And you never DID apologize for calling ME a racist.
I had such high hopes for ya.
Isn’t there a conservative ANYWHERE worthy of respect? I despise you people but it would be nice to have at least ONE I could respect.
JR; I just had a flashback to the old Foghorn Leghorn cartoon. Remember that pint-sized chickenhawk that always wanted to fight? His sole purpose in the world was to get ol’ Foghorn, because he was a chicken.
Ah say, ah say, JR…,that little chickenhawk is you.
Chickenhawk?
Uh….Wouldn’t that be YOU Outie? I try to keep track of who and who has not served in the military.
Don’t remember you mentioning it.
But you remain slavishly in favor of the war dont you?
It’s called “projection” Outie. And you are doing it.
“Any doubts about Murtha? Read the transcript of the video. You’ll lose ‘em.”
Uhm, right, GMC.
From YOUR link (the American Spectator, no less):
“I want this connection in my goddamn district. I’m delighted to do business with him, and do every goddamn thing I can within bounds, you know, so I don’t get myself in jail, in order to get him into the country and whatever needs to be done.”
A man who wants to do everything he can for his goddamn district, within bounds. What a scumbag, huh?
BTW, even if Murtha TOOK the money, that doesn’t make your tu quoque argument any more valid. Lott’s bizarre endorsement of a segregationist presidential campaign should judged on its own merit.
You might want to think about why Ted Kennedy has a drinking problem. Or why it worsened after living through the assassinations of his two brothers. He screwed up where Chapaquidick is concerned, and he’s paid the price for it since then, much more than most people do.
As for Laura, it was an intersection she knew well. And she knew what time her ex-boyfriend would be approaching. Just another “Bush Fishy Story,” maybe. Maybe not. But you have no more facts on it than you do on Kennedy.
P.S. If we want to continue with this ridiculous game, I could point that John McCain was one the Keating Five. . .
Dearest JR,
I got your point, did you get mine?
I saw no alliteration in your remarks.
Hank
Now JR, there you go changing the subject. I was just funnin’ ya anyway.
I’ll put the rest of my response in an email.
Well Out you are welcome to write but I am having some difficulty with email just now. Damn spammers. I’m forever clearing it out from being full. A couple of my readers who write sometimes say they keep getting “that email address is full” I’ll make a special effort for you since you wrote me back once before. Hey ya gave me an opening, I took a shot. Like I say, it aint beanbag.
Yes Hank I got your point. “This was a battle the war will end differently.”
Don’t think so. The Alamo comparison is flawed mostly because the story of that battle itself is flawed. (Heroic stand my eye. Buncha guys got duped by a land baron, a martinet, and a failed politician into a hopeless battle) We could do volumes on that. But how else was I gonna explain “El Deguello”? Remember Newts contract on America? That spirit REVERSED is what I want Pelosi to hand the shell shocked GOP survivors.
Like I say bush wouldn’t get it. He’d likely think “El Deguello” was a drink or new dance.
Thank you, Rage.Apparently, that can NEVER be brought up enough.
Did the Rethuglican party figure that they did a lousy job suppressing the Black vote in this last election that they promoted an avowed racist, who loves segregation, to take the helm to improve their party? Can the Republican party run on anything other than hating minority groups?
All I really want to say is: Thank God Bill Frist is gone.
Now he can start his own home business where sick people mail him their home movies and he diagnoses from watching the movie.
He could call the company:DumbFuck Doctor
Well, I notice GMC still hasnt shown my post to be untruthful. Just posts HIS judgements about how one accident is an accident and one is, well, the end of western civilization.
And then he changes the subject to Murtha.
I am sure there is some high minded latin term for that bait and switch while ignoring the truth arguement, but I dont know what it is.
“laura bush’s car has killed more people than my gun. Ban laura’s car” would work equally well, no?
Poor conservatives. They just cant handle the truth. Their arguements remain BILL CLINTON! TED KENNEDY! JOHN MURTHA!
hehehe.
BTW, GMC, how did that work for you all in the last election?
hee hee hee hee hee
still laughing at gmc.
Maybe if we are lucky he will, yet again, pick up his toys and stomp out of the blog in a huff again. Leave us uncivil, unwashed posters to our lowminded discourse. Whatever would we do? (Hand wringing here)
Ya know, he is so above it all….
KFG
“uncivil, unwashed posters to our lowminded discourse”
You said it, I didn’t. But that generally sums it up.
I didn’t raise Kennedy’s mess. And you’re right, it’s not the issue here. But I’ll be damned if I’ll let you smear others by pretending that LB’s accident was the same thing. Even YOU know better than that. Or are you admitting you failed the “pick out the differences” test?
And JR, you didn’t read the entire transcript, did you? Don’t like the transcript? Watch the video – it’s available too. Trolling for bribes just about sums it up. Just keep that head buried in the sand, and tell yourself “the Dems are all honest.” Repeat liberally (pun intended). You’ll convince yourself it’s true. Eventually. You’re niave enough, it appears.
They’re politicians, JR. It’s inherent in the breed. “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”
And just when did I call you a racist? If I did so, I MIGHT apologize – if warranted. Remind me.
Finally -
“I despise you people but it would be nice to have at least ONE I could respect.”
And that’s the difference between us, JR. I can respect someone even as I disagree with them. It’s called being an adult.
Laura Welch was seventeen years old, her boyfriend had broken up with her that morning, she ran a stop sign, broadsided his car and killed him.
Seventeen year old poor judgment?
Premeditated man slaughter? Murder?
Unintentional consequences?
Perhaps, as with Ted Kennedy, it is best to trust the judgment of those in LE at the time.
If you make the case for one, you have to make the case for the other.
Well said WS. You’re a good addition here if I haven’t mentioned that yet.
I’m a little late. GMC’s whole problem is now irrelevant. Murtha didn’t get to be majority leader.
He might get to be head of the defense commitee though.
Aww GMC I just call it petty digging up 26 year old or 40 stories and twisting them around. (Irellevant it may be? Your position was thoroughly busted.)
Huh I guess you do too.
What is it you say? Pot meet kettle?
What is ALSO fun is the farmgrrl dancing you off your feet while you bit…..sorry I’ll raise the discourse….gripe about the dance, the tune, the dance hall, the other dancers, and the punch!
MORE disturbing to me is that your usually clinical commentary departed into a false accusation…..and YOU don’t even remember it. You are better than that. Anybody can screw up though.
On the rodeo thread you called me and other posters who wanted those rodeos ended racists….or it might have been bigots. I forget. It was a forgettable thread with few posts. It died shortly after I answered your charge.
JR -
Ah – now I do remember. The point was that the complaints about the rodeo had less to do with the rodeo and more about who the rodeo tended to cater to. I suspect that is entirely the case. I won’t retract that statement – sorry. Your own comment invited just that conclusion. Read it again.
The rest of the thread is funny. Folks, my ancestors didn’t claw their way to the top of the food chain for me to surrender that position now. Join me the 29th, JR. Opening of rifle season for deer. I won’t hestitate to shoot it myself. Or dress it out. Or eat it. And enjoy same. A day in the field will remind us both that these controversies really aren’t that important in the big picture.
And I didn’t dig up Teddy’s mess, JR, another poster did. KFG did her damnest to divert by smear, insinuating that Laura Welch’s accident was the same Kennedy’s; to do so of course takes a radical rewrite of both incidents. Kennedy’s mess was what it was. LB’s was not. Only KFG, with her own specially tinted glasses, chooses not to see the difference. It doesn’t matter, both were a long time ago.
My position busted? Only in your tired, delusional eyes. And KFG, as usual, missed the point.
And yes, “trolling for bribes” Murtha has lost his bid – good thing. It still leaves Hastings, with “impeachable” credentials! (pun entirely intended)
GMC?
So your charge of racism stands?
I’ll meet you back at that thread where you made it.
” ‘trolling for bribes’ Murtha”
Actually, GMC, the transcript shows a man who really wants the money, but is trying desperately NOT to take a bribe.
Admirable? Not particularly. But as a lawyer, you should (and DO) know better.
None of which makes it mildly relevant to criticism of Lott, except as a “so’s your mother!” retort.
GMC70,
“…trolling for bribes” Murtha” ??
It looks like he was “trolling” for LEGAL INVESTMENTS in his district, during the FBI’s 54 minute attempt to bribe him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABSCAM#John_Murtha.27s_involvement“Full length versions of the tape [9]show that the FBI undercover operative REPEATEDLY attempted to offer Rep. Murtha money, whereby Rep. Murtha declined.
The U.S. Attorneys Office declined prosecution of Mr. Murtha, reasoning that the Congressman’s intent was to obtain investment in his district, the very premise of the FBI operation.
Retired FBI Agents familiar with the investigation felt that Murtha was “stringing along” a group of “businessmen”, seeing whether they would “put up or shut up” and invest in Western Pennsylvania. Mr. Murtha’s district had been extremely hard hit economically.”——And Murtha was re-elected 10 times after that “sting”, despite it being brought up during campaigns.