Some troops, apparently members of the Minnesota National Guard serving in Iraq, had the last laugh over Sen. John Kerry’s attempt at a bad joke in this photo from the Drudge Report:
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Al Gore and Hillary Clinton will probably make more use of this photo than any other two people on the planet.John Kerry will not get the Democrat nomination ever again!
By the way, Jimmy Carter is the person who really did in the Democrats by helping Kerry.Jimmy Carter’s “Amnesty” program allowed John Kerry to improve his discharge status:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41200
Hi Paul, remember me?
You found a new place to shill your shit? I’ve been looking for you since your CBS crap. Pity poor Paul the section 8 discharge.
Elgin, I have my discharge with me you liar, and it was Honorable.Unlike John Kerry, I am willing to prove that it has ALWAYS been Honorable.I did not need an amnesty program to upgrade MY discharge.I know I am winning when you liberals attack me under false names.Show some courage.Give me your real name, tell me where to meet you, but publish it here on the blog.I will show up with my discharge papers and you can apologize.
By the way, there is another lawsuit by Veterans against John Kerry and his gang:http://www.vvlf.org/default.php?page_id=76
Don’t believe Elgin if she posts again. Elgin is a liar.Elgin you had nothing on me before and you have nothing now. You are just a bitter old woman. Prove to me that your son died. You did not do that before. Do it here or leave ne alone.
Elgin? What’s the story here? I’m piqued!
Psst ! Paul ! I heard that Billary and Gore and the DNC paid those soldiers to stage this ! Paul, you need a television show called “Stupid Conspiracy Theories”.
Personally, if I never heard another word about Billary or Gore, it would be too soon. But this is just pure “laugh out loud” funny and speaks volumes about how really intelligent and creative our troops are — dumb ass losers would never have thought of it !
Kerry flubbed a line. He didn’t hire Rumsfeld…and continue to support Rumsfeld…in the face of a disastrous Iraq policy.Rosell – given your whiny defense I think you should have been given a section 8. Paul ‘Klinger’ Rosell, the pride of the US Armed Forces.
Kerry says it all. He speaks for the Democrats. So now you know what they really think.
On another forum somebody posted a that picture and a big leftist Democrat replied saying it wasn’t funny and that those soliders should be court martial.
Look for that to be the Democratic talking points on this.
Kerry said what he believes. He has said it before. In his arrogance he blames it on our inability to understand that he ment something completely different. Defending Kerry is like is like trying to put lipstick on a hog.
Forget about Kerry.
We need to focus on the assholes in power right now, and the terrible mess they’ve made in the world.
BTW, the soldier’s sign WAS funny!
Kerry is not on the ballot.He is not the issue.Your preznut and his lying cohorts are the issue.
You are right, Tracy, Bush and Kerry are not on the ballot. But, what Kerry said does show how libs in general feel about our military. We already know that the libs won’t defend this country and Kerry only helps to remind.
I’m pretty much in agreement with what Kerry said, simply because its hilarious and quite possibly accurate.
Oh and the picture at the top, dont think that there aren’t people in the military who are like that. I’m sure they are there.
Oops, i better make sure I can make that phone call when the Bush mob comes for me.
“Rosell – given your whiny defense I think you should have been given a section 8. Paul ‘Klinger’ Rosell, the pride of the US Armed Forces.”
High five JimG. TOO funny…..
Given paulie’s response, I think the quote “methinks he doth protest too much” might apply?
How sad, since BILL CLINTON, BILL CLINTON doesnt work anymore, now it is
JOHN KERRY! JOHN KERRY!
ANYTHING to avoid responsibility for the corruption, the iraq disaster, and the decline in America’s reputation.
All on THIS preznit’s watch.
So much for the culture of personal responsibility.
You broke it. You fix it.
Joe W.–Did you get the information about settling the bet with the Peace Center?
Since you have yet to respond to one of my posts about it, I feel compelled to keep asking.
Rosell was given a section 8. Well, well, well. That explains a lot.
From now on, you are KLINGER (too funny FRMGRRL!)
I guess that explains the huge fine from the Ethics Committee you’ve never explained.
Also, the child endangerment charges.
Ouch.
Elgin, come back! Inquiring minds want to know, hehehe . . .
Actually, “Klinger” was Jim G’s line.
Outstanding!
Republican,
Indeed–there IS a God. How else to explain the outing of Ted Haggard as the poster-boy for cock-gobbling, meth smoking, repressed homosexual evangelical megapastors who talk on the phone with W?
Time to get that phone sanitized, methinks.
Ted Haggard lovin’ on a man = fundo nutjob GOP footsoliders stay home November 7th.
Elgin,
Welcome, darlin’. CF likes your style. Do tell us what you know about a certain someone who seems to be squealing like a pig now that you’re here.
Dear Editors,
Can we get a Ted Haggard thread? I mean, seriously, they’ve got the guy on tape placing meth to-go orders with his GAY MALE PROSTITUTE. And his church has confirmed the truth of at least some of the allegations.
hotlick,
Keep floggin’ that dead horse, pal. I don’t know if the country can take much more of the “defending” that Bush and the GOP have been dishing out these last six years.
Section 8? Can anyone elaborate on what it is?
As Don Imus, the MSNBC online radio host told Kerry, “Stop it, just stop it, go home.”
And that was Kerry’s bud telling him to stop digging himself a a deeper hole.
If you wingers think we’re running Kerry Vs. Bush again,forget about it.Ain’t happening.This election is a referendum on the head idiot in charge.
Kerry lost once and we’re not running him again.
Nothin’ to see here,just keep moving.
Ok now a THIRD thread to this non- story?
At a loss for ideas for threads? Showing that you are a GOD shill rag?
EAGLE EDITORS WHERE IS THE TODD TIAHRT THREAD WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR FOR A MONTH NOW??
Paul Rosell is a kook is also not news.
JR – are you personally emailing editors and asking for a thread topic? Using that approach has always worked for me in the past.
Ok! Listen up everybody, without war that we’ve won so far, ther’s no freedom that we all enjoy. There has been wars eversince the world began, there will be wars as long as human kinds live. Thank God we are the leader and will destroy any freedom haters such as N.Korea, Muslims, and other animals in this world, we should be ready to fight and willing to give our lives for our country and freedom whenever necessary.People die in traffic accidents and drunken driving and other stupid reasons and thousands per day, 3000 lives of our troops is precious and price we pay for our freedom. Don’t you forget it, Kerry is the one should understand this first but I don’t think he is capable.
James
“Ted Haggard lovin’ on a man = fundo nutjob GOP footsoliders stay home November 7th.”
CF: You wish. Please explain how the travails of Ted Haggard (who most people have never heard of) have to do with evangelicals getting out to vote?
Oh, and pass the Lysol.
James, thanks for the history lesson.To bad we have to destroy these people in order to “save” them.
James,
Blah blah blah. Turn down the radio, Rushbot.
hottie, Kerry is not our poster boy.
GW IS yours. ENJOY.
outlander,
Ted Haggard is the leader of the National Association of Evangelicals, an organization with 30 million members.
http://www.nae.net/index.cfm
That guy’s picture on their frontpage? That would be Ted Haggard.
This is a big, big deal for the fundos. Influence-wise, he’s on the level of James Dobson. For him to have done this is big turn-off to fundos who have seen themselves marginalized by the Bush Administration. They haven’t gotten most of what they wanted. To the fundo world-view, this is just further evidence that politics is more trouble than it’s worth.
Section 8 Elgin? Do tell …
Nah, don’t think so. Haggard is head of an organization of denominational organizations. I bet that 90% of those members wouldn’t even know their denomination belonged to a national organization, much less tell you who was leading it. I’m sure that damage control is underway. Probably turn it into a positive. By Tuesday, it will be alleged that the homo prostitute was an Democrat operative.
Still, if it is true that guy has some demons. (metaphorically speaking) Still feel like I need that Lysol.
It’s too bad everything around here eventually turns into a bunch of personal attacks and unfounded allegations about people.
The pic is quite funny.
I’d say that is a bit of a stretch on his influence CF.I had never even heard of the guy until this morning.I listen to no other music radio than Christian and do listen to FOTF when I can.
And to me a brothers sin isn’t going to keep me from going to the polls. Does it sound like he’s mixed up in some bad even evil things. Of course. But I won’t point out a splinter in his eye when I have a log in my own.Maybe this is a fundamental difference between Christians and the rest of society. We recognize we live in a fallen world, so sin in the world even among believers is not a surprise.Christians are no where near perfect. Just forgiven.
Mr KIA,
Those are laudable sentiments. But when I listen to, say, James Dobson, I don’t hear ‘em at all.
YEAH, Ain’t it great KIA.Haggard can still be saved just like clinton, foley, so on.Thank God for the vicarious atonement.We can celibrate the here-after with all those who got converted on death row.AMEN.
TRACY,
Indeed.
Mr. KIA
The one time I hear big-media “Christians” like James Dobson hating the sin while loving the sinner is when the sinner is another Christian. When it isn’t, judgment and hellfire await.
James–
Testify, brother, testify.
The recruiting sergeant would LOVE YOU, MAN.
Run, don’t walk, down to the recruiting office to enlist.
Paul F.R.: “Don’t believe Elgin if she posts again. Elgin is a liar.”
Okay, but is that sheep who is telling interesting stories about you a liar as well?
James’ sort of soldier …
“Former Army Dog Handler Returned to IraqFORT BRAGG, N.C. (AP) – An Army dog handler convicted of abusingdetainees at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq has returned to the countrywith his military police unit, a military spokesman confirmed.Sgt. Santos A. Cardona boarded a plane Monday bound for Iraq. Heis assigned to the 23rd Military Police Company, said Maj. JamesCrabtree, a spokesman for the 18th Airborne Corps, which isheadquartered at Fort Bragg.The unit will focus on law enforcement, detainee operations androute security and to a lesser extent training Iraqi police.http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=51280&id=2006110309400001306675
Yes CF, let’s not forget the scum of the earth, since that’s who christ came here to save.Do ya’ think most of the wingers would go into prisons and save rapists and murderers?The rightious have already recieved their reward.I have volunteered to minister to those dregs in prisons.Yep, me. The worst lib of them all.KIA, turn off the radio.Go care for someone that the conservatives have abandoned because they don’t have money or power.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4597552
So Ted Haggard’s accuser fails a lie detector test. End of story.
But now the backlash begins. Uh oh…
These are the issues that are important to make the world better for our children?
I think our generation may be the screw-ups, not our parents and not our children.
Damn it’s gonna be hard to straighten this out before we have to hand over the reigns.
Tracy, my friend, you are wrong about that. There are many, many prison ministries serving just those who you have described.
And that link that CF posted regarding the National Association of Evangelicals. Please read it.
I applaud you for have the guts to volunteer to go inside to minister. I wouldn’t, but not because I think that the men there aren’t worth the effort. I do support those who will go.
Outlander …
“However, Kresnik said he doubted the accuracy of the test he administered because of the recent stress on Jones and his inability to eat or sleep, according to KHOW producer Greg Hollenback.”
“Lie detector test”?
I’m not inclined to ‘rush’ to judgment (pun intended), but you might as well have said that accuser weighed more than a duck.
Polygraphs results are pretty much evidence of nothing.
hmmm… just pointed out some of the reasons that the results of a polygraph “test” are inadmissible as evidence in court.
Yeah, well then why do it in the first place????? Do you think we’d have heard that excuse if he passed??????
Yeah, I saw that, Vaughn. Good post.
“the acting pastor of his church later said that Haggard hadacknowledged some of the accusations were true.“I just know that there has been some admission ofindiscretion, not admission to all of the material that has beendiscussed, but there is an admission of some guilt,” Ross Parsleytold KKTV-TV of Colorado Springs.”
http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=51280&id=2006110309390001306552
Outie, if he “passed,” it would, IMHO, still be worthless. This is not a new position of mine, you know.
Rage: Then why is one of the first things that police depts do in a murder case, where they suspect family is to get them to take a lie detector test? The answer is, so they can rule them out as suspects before expending resources on a wild goose chase. It ain’t perfect but it’s indicative.
“why is one of the first things that police depts do in a murder case, where they suspect family is to get them to take a lie detector test?”
I think you watch too much TV. Where on Earth are you getting this?
Rage: Our posts passed.
But a lot of people would give a lot of credence to a positive result.
And when their little show blew up in their face, out come the excuses.
Ted Haggard is the leader of 30 million evangelicals and some of you think this is nobody?
If the allegations prove to be true, then Haggard is only another one of the big mouth Christians that want to tell everyone else how to live while he is out slithering around in the sewer.
This is a big deal, not because the Christians will be turned off and not go vote – this might ignite the rest of us Americans who are fed up with these sanctimonius, pious, self-serving, greedy, so-called Christian Conservatives from getting back into a power position with the Republicans.
Haggard has already admitted at least some of it.
“Do as I say, not as I do … “
Ted Haggard is a heavy, heavy hitter among the fundos, and the N.A.E. is the biggest of the big. It’s the group to whom Reagan gave his “Evil Empire” speech.
“Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers enlist. Their choice in life; prison or the military. Some will have to die in the support of ourcause.”– Ann Coulter, Intervention Magazine,– 11/06/03
Good quote MH.
Yeah outie, I know a few fundies that go in.They don’t do much good because they are so out of touch with these guys reality.Turns out to just be a freak show for most of the inmates.I was able to be more effective at ministering to them, having been ’streetwise’.They know I’m not bullshitting.I’ve walked the walk.
TRACY – I know several “friends of Bill” who do such outreach. Having “been there done that” they can be quite effective.
BTW – “Bill” is NOT Clinton!
Do you have a link to that Ann Coulter Quote?
I am not saying you are wrong by asking you to prove it, I seriously am having trouble finding it.
Thanks.
hmmm….Yes, I’ve been a friend of Bill’s.When I saw what the fundies were doing, and what a complete joke it was to these inmates, I had to do something.I took “the Bible in drag” as I like to call it.It was effective enough that they asked their jailer to keep the fundies and bring me back.In fact, I worked with quite a few guys from the Wichita area.
Nathan, I didn’t find that quote,but there’s plenty out there:
Coulter is spinning her downfall as a new kind of terrorist-war McCarthyism. “People are hysterical about speech right now,” she told The Washington Post’s Howard Kurtz. “Everyone’s comments are being taken out of context and wildly misinterpreted.” At the risk of further de-contextualization, here are some of Coulter’s past comments:
“[Clinton] masturbates in the sinks.”—Rivera Live 8/2/99
“God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, ‘Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.’”—Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01
The “backbone of the Democratic Party” is a “typical fat, implacable welfare recipient”—syndicated column 10/29/99
To a disabled Vietnam vet: “People like you caused us to lose that war.”—MSNBC
“Women like Pamela Harriman and Patricia Duff are basically Anna Nicole Smith from the waist down. Let’s just call it for what it is. They’re whores.”—Salon.com 11/16/00
Juan Gonzales is “Cuba’s answer to Joey Buttafuoco,” a “miscreant,” “sperm-donor,” and a “poor man’s Hugh Hefner.”—Rivera Live 5/1/00
On Princess Diana’s death: “Her children knew she’s sleeping with all these men. That just seems to me, it’s the definition of ‘not a good mother.’ … Is everyone just saying here that it’s okay to ostentatiously have premarital sex in front of your children?”…”[Diana is] an ordinary and pathetic and confessional – I’ve never had bulimia! I’ve never had an affair! I’ve never had a divorce! So I don’t think she’s better than I am.”—MSNBC 9/12/97
“I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote.”—Hannity & Colmes, 8/17/99
“I think [women] should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote.”—Politically Incorrect, 2/26/01
“If you don’t hate Clinton and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don’t love your country.”—George, 7/99
“We’re now at the point that it’s beyond whether or not this guy is a horny hick. I really think it’s a question of his mental stability. He really could be a lunatic. I think it is a rational question for Americans to ask whether their president is insane.”—Equal Time
“It’s enough [to be impeached] for the president to be a pervert.”—The Case Against Bill Clinton, Coulter’s 1998 book.
“Clinton is in love with the erect penis.”—This Evening with Judith Regan, Fox News Channel 2/6/00
“I think we had enough laws about the turn-of-the-century. We don’t need any more.” Asked how far back would she go to repeal laws, she replied, “Well, before the New Deal…[The Emancipation Proclamation] would be a good start.”—Politically Incorrect 5/7/97
“If they have the one innocent person who has ever to be put to death this century out of over 7,000, you probably will get a good movie deal out of it.”—MSNBC 7/27/97
“If those kids had been carrying guns they would have gunned down this one [child] gunman. … Don’t pray. Learn to use guns.”—Politically Incorrect, 12/18/97
“The presumption of innocence only means you don’t go right to jail.”—Hannity & Colmes 8/24/01
“I have to say I’m all for public flogging. One type of criminal that a public humiliation might work particularly well with are the juvenile delinquents, a lot of whom consider it a badge of honor to be sent to juvenile detention. And it might not be such a cool thing in the ‘hood to be flogged publicly.”—MSNBC 3/22/97
“Originally, I was the only female with long blonde hair. Now, they all have long blonde hair.”—CapitolHillBlue.com 6/6/00
“I am emboldened by my looks to say things Republican men wouldn’t.”—TV Guide 8/97
“Let’s say I go out every night, I meet a guy and have sex with him. Good for me. I’m not married.”—Rivera Live 6/7/00
“Anorexics never have boyfriends. … That’s one way to know you don’t have anorexia, if you have a boyfriend.”—Politically Incorrect 7/21/97
“I think [Whitewater]’s going to prevent the First Lady from running for Senate.”—Rivera Live 3/12/99
“My track record is pretty good on predictions.”—Rivera Live 12/8/98
“The thing I like about Bush is I think he hates liberals.”—Washington Post 8/1/00
On Rep. Christopher Shays (d-CT) in deciding whether to run against him as a Libertarian candidate: “I really want to hurt him. I want him to feel pain.”—Hartford Courant 6/25/99
“The swing voters—I like to refer to them as the idiot voters because they don’t have set philosophical principles. You’re either a liberal or you’re a conservative if you have an IQ above a toaster. “—Beyond the News, Fox News Channel, 6/4/00
“My libertarian friends are probably getting a little upset now but I think that’s because they never appreciate the benefits of local fascism.”—MSNBC 2/8/97
“People are hysterical about speech right now,” she told The Washington Post’s Howard Kurtz. “Everyone’s comments are being taken out of context and wildly misinterpreted.”
Gee, like they did to Kerry’s joke!
wow tracy!, I can’t believe you missed this: “We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens’ creme brulee,”
ann colter at Philander Smith College in Little Rock, Ark
if john kerry had a political and humourous bone in his body, he would totally embrace this with humour, admit he is NOT a oomedian and move on.
From reading the comments on here from Republican (’Kerrycrats?’ You come up with that one all by yourself, big boy?) and other GOP-bots, as well as seeing the reaction to the Kerry GOP- and media-manufactured ’scandal’ leads me to one conclusion: right-wingers are not that bright. At all. But since they know they’re Republicans and ‘conservatives’ (whatever that means today), well, by God, lets just ignore the past five years and what is happening to our country, and worry about John Fucking Kerry giving a speech [one in which he CLEARLY was talking about Bush] and go vote (R). You ‘people’ are a sad, sad lot, and you deserve retribution – this will come in 4, count em FOUR, days.
And as for your assertion that “Kerry is just letting everyone know how liberals feel about the military” uhhhhhhhh, couldn’t the same thing be said about your team when they shamelessly attacked Kerry’s war record in 04? And why would Kerry attack the entity that he put his life on the line for, you know, the one that 98% of Republican politicians couldn’t be bothered with? Republican – face it – you’re a piece of dog shit typing in your mom’s basement, and you don’t have one percent of the balls Kerry has or else you would be posting from Iraq, you fucking little ignorant tool. Eat shit
Sorry Dave.I’m sure there’s plenty more.Ann’s just a joke.And not a funny one either.
Would it be rude to suggest that these soldiers should be performing their duties instead of making cutesy signs? I’m kidding…..mostly.
What DOES concern me is a story I heard part of the other day. It seemed to be saying that certain soldeiers blogs and websites that the military felt iappropriate were being shut down. I only heard part of it. Anybody got anything on this?
I would be willing to bet there are no small number of troops in Iraq who are NOT happy about their situation or their “supreme commander”. Thing is they are very restricted as to how they can express it. IF they can express it at all.
ddub–
funny, funny stuff . . . and that’s not just the rum and coke talking!
I know the context of all her other quotes, it is the first time I have ever heard the one about the troops.
I searched quite a bit last night for it and I can’t seem to find it anywhere except for a reference to it in intervention magazine which doesn’t even have it either.
I am not going to say it is a lie yet, but it would be nice if I could see where that quote came from.
Otherwise I am going with my instincts and saying it is not true.
Actually a quick google search brought a bunch hits on the Coulter qoute but that doesn’t mean its true but it wouldn’t suprise me. It does puzzle me how in a war zone that Nathan has so much free to to do extensive searches online, combined with his blogging seems to have lot of free time. I have several friends and my brother in Iraq now, and there lucky to get a few minutes maybe once a week to read email because they share computers with groups. My brother told me the bandwith there sucks anyways so he can’t watch videos or sound plus the Army blocks alot of stuff. But, maybe the Marines are less restricted.
Dingus,
More and more are using their own laptops. (Thinking of a gift for one of our guys or gals overseas? Think laptop!) I think bandwidth would depend on where a soldier is and how many are using it. It would also depend on the “job” and what’s happening in the area. Some have more free time than others.
More gift ideas? Calling cards, although it sucks to wait in line to use them. Cell phones are another idea, but, again, not all can use them. My son-in-law was able to call my daughter every day while in UAE. Another daughter’s friend calls her about once a week…stationed in Baghdad. Usually, though, they PM/IM in the wee hours of the morning here (he has his own laptop, so late evening there? (Nathan will know.)
Dennis Kucinich for President. It odes not appear as though the USA citizens and taxpayers will get to pick their candidate of choice. The media is doing it for us which stinks. Their focus is on Kerry and Hillary. They are not my choices. Between the parties,media and special interest money citizens get pushed aside. How about a real live presidential primary?
http://www.kucinich.us/
The Electability of Dennis Kucinich, Candidate for the Democratic Presidential Nominationby Bruce MulkeyHe’s too short. He’s not sexy enough. He’s not electable. Yeah, that last one. Not electable. How many times have I heard folks say that they really like Congressman Dennis Kucinich (Democrat of Ohio) and the stands he takes in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, but they don’t think he can be elected? And what would happen if everyone who said that actually got behind Kucinich?
Who decides the electability of a candidate anyway? Party leaders? TV pundits? Campaign contributors? Here is a man from modest beginnings who has been winning political races against well-heeled Republican opponents for decades. ABC may consider Kucinich a fringe candidate, his stands on the issues may scare the bejeezus out of Democratic party leaders, but don’t tell me he’s not electable.
I guess now’s the time for me to declare my party affiliation or, perhaps, my lack thereof. I am not a Democrat. No, I’m not a Republican either. My theory is that unless you’re driving a late model Mercedes or Lexus, you have no business voting Republican. I am a registered independent. My first vote for president was a write-in for Eldridge Cleaver in 1968. And I voted for Ralph Nader in the 2000 election. In between those dates my votes have frequently gone for the Democratic candidate or for “none of the above” when the choices offered were too unpalatable for my political tastes.
In Kucinich, however, I see a man of vision, honesty, integrity and heart. And in order to gain a better sense of the candidate and his campaign, I interviewed him via email. Below is an abbreviated version of that electronic dialogue.
———————————–
Mulkey: Congressman Kucinich, what sets you apart from the other Democratic presidential candidates? Why should I vote for you rather than one of the others?
Rep. Kucinich: I am the only candidate who voted against the war on Iraq and who consistently opposed it. I am the only candidate who sued the President to try to prevent him from going to war without a declaration from Congress. I am the only candidate who will repeal NAFTA and withdraw from the WTO, replacing these agreements that have cost us so many hundreds of thousands of jobs with fair bilateral trade agreements that protect jobs, workers’ rights, human rights, and environmental quality principles. I am the only candidate with a single-payer plan that provides every man, woman, and child with comprehensive health coverage from whatever doctors they choose, and does so through a tax on employers that is lower than what employers who now provide coverage pay on average. I am the only candidate who voted against the “PATRIOT Act” and who has introduced a bill to repeal major sections of it. I am the only candidate who will redirect our priorities from war and tax cuts for millionaires to peace and education, including free college tuition. I am the only candidate who will make 20 percent of our energy use renewables rather than fossil fuels by 2010. I am the only candidate who will focus on breaking up monopolies, including agri-business monopolies and media monopolies.
Mulkey: What is your response to those who call your proposed U.S. Department of Peace naive or unrealistic?
Rep. Kucinich: It is not unrealistic to make peace an actual goal and work to achieve it. To sing “Let there be peace on earth” without giving any thought to the words, while our military kills innocent civilians by the thousands in Afghanistan and Iraq and inflames global hostilities, while the price tag of war drains resources from education, health care, and housing—that is unrealistic and untenable. The question is what our priorities are. As long as we give tax cuts to people in the top bracket, as long as we give $87 billion—and more—for a war, as long as we have a Pentagon budget that is $400 billion, totally driven by fear, then new priorities are impossible.
Mulkey: I’ve talked with a number of people who support your vision for America yet are uncertain about your electability. What would you say to these folks?
Rep. Kucinich: It is far too early for the media to have decided who counts as a contender and unwise for people to believe the media when they hear this. It’s the job of voters, not journalists, to narrow the field. A poll released on Labor Day weekend found that two-thirds of those surveyed could not name any of the Democratic candidates for president. There has only been one vote that involved thousands of Democrats in something resembling a primary, and that was the “MoveOn.org primary,” in which I finished second. I have repeatedly defeated entrenched incumbents. I beat a Republican incumbent for mayor in 1977, for state senator in 1994 and for Congress in 1996.
Mulkey: How important do you think it is to elect someone besides George W. Bush as president in 2004?
Rep. Kucinich: It is as important as global war or peace, the proliferation of nuclear weapons or global cooperation and disarmament, continued environmental destruction or movement toward sustainability, investment in war and enriching the rich or supporting the struggles of working families. I intend to give the Democrats the best chance of defeating Bush by winning the nomination. If I do not, I will support the Democratic nominee.
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Many of us yearn for a national leader who offers hope instead of fear. Many of us understand that it’s time to face up to our country’s challenges rather than begging off because of cost, complexity or high-powered lobbyists. What do you think would happen if those of us who support the stands taken by Dennis Kucinich quit listening to the naysayers, the TV talking heads and the political prognosticators and fully embraced his presidential candidacy.
Kathleen Sebelius would also be a great candidatefor president.
John McCain recently said the reason Chelsea Clinton was so ugly was because Janet Reno was her dad.
I din’t hear any outrage over that. To me that was much worse.
The republicans are great at accusing the DemocraTIC party of doing the very things they do and then claim “moral outrage” when they should all be ashamed of themselves
At the drop of a hat, the Democrats go on relentless, rash attacks that put us all in danger with their foolish ideas, one of which includes dismantling the Patriot Act. Across the board, Democrats refuse to protect the United States. They are weak on defense and have been for decades. They perceive our own military through eyes of condescension and derision. It is now apparent that Islamic terrorists are very pleased with what they see shaping up politically within our country.
James
James,
Sure! We’ll take your word for it!
(With a mountain of salt)
James – go take another handful of Limbaugh whites. Then snort a little Bush nose candy.
Short point. When Senator Kerry said about if you don’t study ‘you get stuck in Iraq’, he didn’t mention the word TROOPS or the word SOLDIERS. In fact, in the previous sentence he did mention BUSH. So it is apparent he was talking about the President.
If the Republicans believe he was talking about the TROOPS….as I have heard over and over, would it not necessarily follow that the Republicans believe that the TROOPS ARE STUCK IN IRAQ?
Not a big stretch, figuring all of the stop-loss extensions and additional tours of duty.
A good observation Robert.
And welcome to posting.