For a guy whose side won, Democratic strategist James Carville has been awfully grumpy about the Nov. 7 election results. Carville set off a party feud by saying of Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean: “I would describe his leadership as Rumsfeldian in its incompetence.” Some think Carville was attacking Dean and his 50-state party-building strategy on behalf of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., whose presidential run likely would involve Carville. Meanwhile, Carville’s GOP adviser spouse, Mary Matalin, may be feeling at loose ends, having predicted that the GOP would hold the House and the Senate and having been expected to work on the 2008 presidential campaign of defeated Sen. George Allen, R-Va.
At least one part of the odd couple’s future is not in doubt: They will headline the Wichita Metro Chamber of Commerce’s annual meeting and community event Dec. 5 at Century II. For tickets, call 316-265-7771.
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Anybody else think these people must be the biggest frauds in the world to espouse the politics they do, but return home each night to one another?
They are playing us for suckers.
I will pass ont the Metro Chamber of Commerce community event. Talk about another group who assumes we are all suckers…
Actually they give me hope, Though a Republican I tend to be very moderate. My wife tends to be very socially conservative. I tend to try to be informed on many subjects and read and listen to several news sources, while she get her information from church and sound bites. The 2004 election cause some major problems in our relationship, OK me yelling at the top of my lungs about her voting for Bush when to me it was as plain as the nose on her face that he had lied us into the invasion did not help!
LoL since then the subject has not came up again, except for every new revelation about the build up and how is was untrue I give her a knowing smirk. And she glances over to see if I am looking at her!But I figure if these two can work it out being on such opposing sides, there is hope for us.
For those of you who think things have changed. The interesting thing is who stopped the pork: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061120/news_lz1e20novak.html
Writerdog,Don’t let politics interfere with your personal lives. Every election is just a choice between a monkey turd and horseshit.
It does not, I just can not figure how the woman went sooooo wrong? Votes along the religious rights agenda, get her news from hearsay sources with their own agenda…. Oh where did my wisdom fail?
I’ve never liked James Carville.
I say he is a phony.
NO REAL Democrat could sleep with as big an enemy as Mary Matalin.
Geez her voice alone would have me sleeping in the garage with the engine running.
I just thought of something. If Mary is so all fire conservative? Why didn’t she take her husbands name?
Not a bad way to make a living. Prepackaged, “Point-Counterpoint” in one family. I doubt, though, there is much “Mary, you ignorant slut” going on.
JR -
“NO REAL Democrat could sleep with as big an enemy as Mary Matalin.”
Do you really see the world so black and white? Do you really put the political world in such personal terms – “the enemy?” Can you not disagree with someone and still appreciate them, respect them, even love them?
I pity you, my friend.
GMC-You took the words right out of my mouth. Why in the world would we refer to another American – especially one so passionate about her patriotism – as “the enemy”?
Frankly, it’s pathetic.
Okay GNC70, I can concede your points above. People can have different views and still get along. But I think Carville and Matalin bring up the question of “how sincere can their values be?”
Matalin has worked in the inner sanctum of Cheney’s office and Carville worked in the first Clinton administration. These are places that possess very different world views. In my thinking, the type of work that one does is an important expression of what a person values. So, I have this dissonance with Matalin and Carville that leads me to wonder, if they really hold these divergent views how can they get along? I resolve this dissonance by thinking: well, their views/values must be held on a fairly shallow level.
Pretty plain and simple — they do it for the money — just like the political whores they support … if they agreed they wouldn’t be able to sell books or shill themselves out
Oh BS -I think they’re in love. That’s why they’re together. It’s perfectly acceptable to have differing political views and then to eat at the same dinner table.
I’m conservative and my wife is liberal. And we’ve been happily married for 16 years.
The venom spewed by writer, JR and ken illustrate the divisive position our country is experiencing. 20 years ago, Ronald Reagan – the greatest president in our history – could butt heads and trade barbs with Tip O’Neill by day and then enjoy a scotch together in the Oval Office before dinner.
Why are we so uncivilized today?
Carville and Matalin demonstrate that we don’t have to be.
OUTIE, You’re right about new age.However it’s not tripe anymore than what you read from only a christian view.Besides, who wouldn’t rejoice in the thought that others hold Jesus in high esteem, even if they are not taught he is divine?
Steven Davis,
Indeed. I don’t think their political views differ at all. They’re cut from the same cloth: insider DC operatives, whose self-appointed role is to play the DC media/politics/corporate nexus. I regard both them, frankly, as serving interests that have nothing to do with the interests of American voters.
As for Mr. Mary Matalin, he’s just jealous of Howard Dean. Plain and simple. The moneybags DLC Democratic crowd can’t win a national election to save their life, and they’d rather be proven right by losing than proven wrong by winning. Remember Paul Begala dissing Howard Dean back in the Spring? This should sound familiar:
“Yes, he’s in trouble, in that campaign managers, candidates, are really angry with him. He has raised $74 million and spent $64 million. He says it’s a long-term strategy. But what he has spent it on, apparently, is just hiring a bunch of staff people to wander around Utah and Mississippi and pick their nose. That’s not how you build a party. You win elections. That’s how you build a party.”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/19/24859/5882
Well, the nose-pickers have spoken, and the Democratic Party is a national party once again. Mr. Mary Matalin and Paul Begala need to get over it. They neither know how to build a party, nor, at this point, how to win elections. Their time, and the time of the Republican-lite DLC triangulation Democrats with its cozy lock on the Democratic Party and sleeping with the enemy, are done.
Mr. Carville, the netroots will not be punked the way the GOP punks religious conservatives.
KSGolfnut,
“Why are we so uncivilized today.”
Do pardon me. But I just have to laugh whenever I hear conservatives decry the toxic political atmosphere. Because civility was killed by the Right.
I mean, dude, where have you been for the last thirty years?!? Spiro Agnew, the GOP Southern Strategy, the killing of the Fairness Doctrine, the rise of Fox and Rush Limbaugh, Regnery Publishing, the Right-Wing Media Harpies, Matt Drudge. And now Frank Luntz and Ted Olson attacking Rep. Pelosi’s appearance.
The world you decry is the world the Right has created.
Well, really!
Priorities. What are the priorities in your life?
You might not believe this, but politics aren’t high on my list.
Mary Matlin is very intelligent and well respected by both parties.
Carville is a very competant political stratigist.
This is a couple made up of two people at the very top of their game. Money, patriotism or maybe just fun. There is nothing immoral or wrong with any of these motivations.
When Carville and Matalin are together it is always informative and entertaining.
Get over it.
Hank
I sorta agree, but I can’t help but see this image of their home being a devastated battleground!
Carville, one of the few people in the world who is a sore winner. He’s just upset that Dean gathered support from the people, not from the corporations who Carville bows down to.
“Because civility was killed by the Right.”
BS. Civility, if it ever really existed, was killed by BOTH sides. And this board consistently keeps the expectations low.
And as much as we don’t like to admit it, we’ve been less “civil” before. Ya wanna see REALLY nasty campaigning, go back about 150 years or so. Makes current campaign charges look positively tame.
JR – it’s time to grow up. I do not have a monopoly on wisdom. Neither do you. Once both “sides” admit we could be wrong, the sooner we can begin to actually listen to and respect our respective political opponents. That doesn’t mean being any less passionate about what we believe; it simply means understanding where the limits are and recognizing that we can treat each other with respect even as we disagree.
The reason politics is so uncivilized today is summed up into three words – Conservative Christian Repubicans.
Before this group got into power, there was politicial discourse and at the end of the day – both sides of the aisle would at least be civil to one another.
When you get a bunch of phoney Christians calling everyone they disagree with the enemy, or enemy combatants, or you’re either with us or against us attitude – that is where the uncivilized comes from.
I disagree with the poster that thinks Reagan was the greatest president ever but I do remember Reagan never treated the Democrats the way the current crop of Conservative Republicans have treated anyone who dared to disagree with them.
Put the blame where the blame belongs – on the so-called Christian heads.
Loss of civility (at least the current phenomenon) can be blamed on both “sides”, particularly the polarization of the respective parties’ bases.GMC harkens back to the Andrew Jackson presidential campaign, I believe; or he could be referring to the first Lincoln presidential campaign. There were “uncivil” campaigns before that as well; my recollection of history fails me in naming them.I am of the thought that this, too, is cyclical, and the pendulum will eventually swing back; I just hope my mental faculties are still intact when that occurs!
And now the gay-bashing, conservative christian republicans are taking their hate show to Canada now that Canada has oked gay marriage. I’m sure Canadians appreciate being told how to run their lives by a bunch of holier-than-thou idiots from south of the border.
As an explanation for the culture war, ‘both sides do it’ comes up short. It’s ahistorical. It ignores the realities of media ownership and media consolidation, as well as the very fact of the media, itself.
The media, as a business, has a direct interest in how things legislatively turn out. And it’s pretty clear that the media has taken sides since at least the 1990’s, and that it has responded submissively to being mau-mau’ed by the radical Right.
‘Both sides do it’ fails to capture the role of the Right-wing media in having constructed the currently asymmetrical media environment. In a big way.
Ian Santiago,
The Center for Media and Pubic Affairs as credible source? You’re KILLIN’ me, man! It’s what one would expect from a Holocaust denying liar such as yourself.
Here’s a little dubunking of this phony, allegedly ‘nonpartisan,’ Right-wing front organization for those folks who have two or more brain cells to rub together. One of its chief initial benefactors? Patrick Buchanan.
http://media.eriposte.com/3-3.htm
Ian Santiago, when you believe bullshit, your arguments are shit.
Dittos, CF.
It’s “squirrel and bear stew.” They’re the bear, we’re the squirrel. And then they say, “see, both sides do it.”
Ann Coulter: “It is simply a fact that Democrats like Murtha are encouraging the Iraqi insurgents when they say the war is going badly and it’s time to bring the troops home. Whether or not there is any merit to the idea, calling for a troop withdrawal — or “redeployment,” as liberals pointlessly distinguish — will delay our inevitable victory and cost more American lives. . . .
“The Democrats are giving aid and comfort to the enemy for no purpose other than giving aid and comfort to the enemy. There is no plausible explanation for the Democrats’ behavior other than that they long to see U.S. troops shot, humiliated, and driven from the field of battle.
“They fill the airwaves with treason, but when called to vote on withdrawing troops, disavow their own public statements. These people are not only traitors, they are gutless traitors.”
*****
So, let’s see how GMC and KSRich-Bastard spin this so it’s the liberals who are to blame for hate-spewing.
Counting down, five, four, three, two and . . . .
GolfNuts writes, “Why in the world would we refer to another American – especially one so passionate about her patriotism – as “the enemy”?
Frankly, it’s pathetic.”
Except when Ann and Rush and O’Reilly and GWB and Cheney and Matalin and Fox News and Savage and Rumsfailed and Malkin and Ingrahm say it.
Then it’s true, apparently.
Capn:
Do you see myself, or KSGolfNut, running to the defense of statements such as you cite? “Bonedig” to your heart’s content; you won’t find it, at least from me. I won’t defend that coming from the right anymore than I will from the left.
Ya wanna be part of the problem, that’s your choice. I won’t be.
You simpletons can blame the Christians, blame the GOP, blame the talking heads, blame GWB….all day long.
The bottom line is this: both sides are to blame. The End.
Now – let’s change it. I don’t have a seat at the table with Rush, Hannity, O’Reilly (who is equally critical of both parties) or GWB, but I do have one here. So why not start where it matters most – here?
Capn, I see you making pejorative remarks several times a day towards the republicans, but I can’t recall seeing you offer one single potential solution to the problems you identify. Why not stop blaming and start solving?
BEAUTIFUL, GMC, JUST BEAUTIFUL!
OMG, you gotta love the consistency of these people.
“Hey, I never defended Coulter. Check my posts.”
Okay, fine. But you never CONDEMNED her either, did you Mr. Right-Wing Shill?
LOL, classic reich-wing hypocrisy, ON CUE no less . . .
Here’s a topic: what would you do to bring down the cost of healthcare?
Solutions? You want solutions, KSRichBastard?
I think the American people already started their solution.
Dump Republicans.
And amen to that.
Has anyone seen Carville/Matalin in person before? I’m wondering if they have a standard set of issues they stick to, or if they’ll talk about Kansas politics, too…
At least the Chamber didn’t bring in George H. W. Bush (last year) or Rudy Giuliani (year before that).
Now instead of bringing in one rabid right-winger, they bring in one and a-half.
BTW, Howard Dean not only kicked Republican butt, he drove a stake through Clinton-ism everywhere.
No compromise. No quarter. Stand up for what you believe in and take the fight to them.
YEARHHHHGH! We all scream for Howard Dean.
Capn/ProudLib/etc, etc.:
You make my point, and do so repeatedly. KSGolfnut has you pegged EXACTLY on his last post.
Think you’ve about worn out this nic too. Ready for a new one yet?
Please, would someone with some idea of a solution post on this thread?
This ongoing gang-bang on the GOP (or vice versa) is completely non-productive.
No offense, Capn, but your posts are meaningless.
FuzzNuts–You go first with the solutions.What about substance from you bud?
All I ever see outta’ you is showing up long enough to talk shit on a few regulars.
I find it interesting that Republicans are always asking the Democrats to come up with solutions to the problems that the Republicans caused.
Why keep asking? You have determined your course of action and that is George W. Bush’s’stay the course’. If that strategy isn’t working – then don’t blame the Democrats for not helping you out by telling you the solution.
I think CF summed up Matalin and Mr. Matalin pretty well.
I think James Carville does not in his heart believe much of anything he pretends to. It’s just a job to him.
GMC? Now you and I fence. And I’ll afford you that you are not one of the locksteppers.
But see? There just is nothing about your party that I like anymore. I can RESPECT Republcans…..when they are respectable. I respected you when you denounced Rush Limbaugh for his vile attacks on Michael J Fox.
But in all honesty? Your party shows me absolutely nothing that I like. I don’t like Republicans. I can’t imagine hanging around with them. MOST Republicans I pity. Because they are just good hearted folks who stubbornly vote against their own interest. Ya try for awhile to bring ‘em around then move on. But REAL to the core Republicans? What’s to like?
I fail to see why anybody would pay out money to see either one of these fools when they come to town.
This pair is just dipping from both sides of the aisle. They both know that the average American is too wrapped up in their sports, tv soaps, sex and violence to give a crap less about what politicians do.
Personally, I feel they both deserve one another – neither one could possibly get anybody else.
JR -
Too bad. I once thought it would be interesting to sit down and share a beer with you.
Instead, you’ve demonstrated that you are simply a shallow, judgemental, petty and bitter person.
We may well meet at some point. but I don’t think we could ever share a beer, or a laugh. That would require you to step off the lofty perch you’ve built for yourself. And I certainly don’t want to join you.
It must be comforting to be always right. But doesn’t it get lonely up there?
Tracy,You obviously don’t read my posts completely if you think I don’t offer solutions.
Ask me anything…
lucee you’re right.It’s a show. Big profit.Remember Tim Leary vs. Gordon Liddy?Great entertainment, and profitable.They hated each other all the way to the bank, and we loved it!Better than “pro” wrestling cause you get to choose who the “bad guy” is.
I did, fuzznuts.Your solution(s)?
Oh, and of course I don’t read your stuff.
I can tune into fux news or limpballs and hear exactly what you’re going to parrot.
So it sounds like Carville/Matalin could provide great entertainment if not political insight…Maybe there’ll be a chance to ask some of these heated questions…
Lofty perch? ME?
GMC why do you keep trying to build a pedestal for me?
How am I shallow petty or bitter?
I said nothing about me being always right. I just say Republicans are wrong.
Beyond the blog, I can’t imagine we’d have a lot to discuss GMC. Though you were invited to an earlier meetup.
I’ve met some of the other conservative posters in person. Hey I’ll be honest. I said basically a polite hello and then talked with the folks who were more of a like mind with me.
KSGolfNut,
“The bottom line is this: both sides are to blame. The End.”
Dodging the evidence and declaring victory ain’t cuttin’ it. You’ve demonstrated nothing and shown zero understanding of the current media environment.
Until you refute my factual and interpretive claims by actually engaging with them, they remain unchallenged: the Right is disproportionately responsible for the current political atmosphere of partisan hatred and hostility.
You’re terribly closed-minded, Tracy. Much like Capn (are you two lovers or something?), you just choose to bash and rebash. Here’s a start:
Iraq – The Iraqis need to step up. I propose we give them a series of milestones to hit with regard to defending themselves. And, as they achieve them – we step back. If they don’t – we increase our presence. We simply cannot allow that country to fall into the hands of Iran/terrorists. And I don’t particularly want these milestones/dates publically known.
Healthcare – get insurance companies out of the nickle and dime stuff. We should pay for that directly out of our pockets. Go to any doctor you want. Make cheap/free clinics available to those that can’t afford anything else. I’m ok with some government funding for that, but I’d also like to see it driven via charitable giving – much like Hunter Health and GraceMed. Importantly – get people OUT of the ER for little stuff.
Public school – I don’t want my kids taught that evolution is a “theory”. However, I would like to see a world religion class taught in the public schools. Not bible study, and not anything that puts one religion ahead of any other. I just want kids to have an exposure to why people throughout the world feel the way they do about God and worship. Most kids have no idea why Islamists behave the way they do, and the more educated we can become… hell, call it a social studies class – that’s what it is.
There’s a start. Fire away…
“You obviously don’t read my posts completely if you think I don’t offer solutions.
Ask me anything…”
1. What’s the solution for corporate controlled right-wing media that demonizes and demeans the opposition?
2. How do you provide healthcare to all at an affordable price?
3. What’s the best answer to the question of what to do about Iraq now that GW and the Republicans have screwed things up beyond all hope?
4. How do you lower the historically high (and growing fast) national debt without raising taxes?
5. Wealth inequality and poverty have been growing ever since Bush took office in 2001 (after improving for five years under Clinton). How would you reduce wealth inequality and poverty?
After you solve those five, I’ve got a few dozen more . . .
CF,I don’t GAF who’s to blame. Don’t you get that from my previous posts?
It’s time to solve problems instead of adding to them.
“Make cheap/free clinics available to those that can’t afford anything else.”
Huh, what?! On whose dime?
I recommend a tax on golfers to pay for it.
Your solutions?, fuzznuts, can I call you fuzznuts?
1)stay the course, with meaningless timelines.2)a pipe dream. nobody would ever promote the legislation, even if they could figure out how to write it.3)My school already has these classes. Comparative religion and sociology.
“The Iraqis need to step up. I propose we give them a series of milestones to hit with regard to defending themselves. And, as they achieve them – we step back. If they don’t – we increase our presence.”
And after we blithely “increase our presence,” GolfCart, what do we do then?
Sit back and watch the coffins come home?
Occupation is what got us to where we are. You’re saying do the same thing, except do it harder.
Like when you’re lost in the woods and running in the wrong direction, run harder.
Yeah, good plan.
capn-
“1. What’s the solution for corporate controlled right-wing media that demonizes and demeans the opposition?”
Who are you talking about here?
“How would you reduce wealth inequality and poverty?”
What is “wealth inequality”?My boss makes more than I do. A lot of people do. So what?Would you take the money from them and give it to me to make it more “equal”?
fuzznuts, of course you don’t wanna play the blame game.The idiots you support ARE to blame.
See the pattern here?
Criticize – but offer no alternative.
Woody, sure.Eat the rich.
Would someone with some DESIRE to solve the problem please post on this thread?
fuzznuts, we’re not done blaming yet.When we are we’ll be sure to ignore you as always.
FuzznutsNot only do we desire it.We voted out the idiots you support.That’s a much better start than any of the mamby pamby BS you’re sellin’.
Hotwood–Yes, some people make more than others.
But to ignore that society has no role in vast wealth inequality is . . . well, you’d have to be a Republican.
Take Japan. Take Western Europe. Take Canada.
Out of all the industrialized countries in the world, only Australia begins to approach the level of inequality we have here.
But we are ahead of most banana republics, so praise Allah for that.
We are the worst because we have made the most effort to keep our workers divided and powerless. Look at Wal-Mart. Because of German law, Wal-Mart is forced to allow unions. As a result, Wal-Mart workers make a good living with time off. Wal-Mart workers here can’t support a family. It’s not a living wage.
Why? Because corporatists and their paid political shills have starting with Reagan systematically reduced workers’ rights.
That means more money to the corporate masters and less to the middle class . . .
fuzznuts,why should I pretend I have solutions?We’re still blaming your boys.I’m not a tactics and/or diplomacy expert. They thought they were.Do you think you are?
KSGolfballs–
Here’s one possible solution to Iraq that I’ve already posted at least twice–
http://www.harpers.org/TheWayOutOfWar.html
The Way Out of WarA blueprint for leaving Iraq nowPosted on Wednesday, November 8, 2006. Originally from October 2006. By George S. McGovern and William R. Polk.SourcesStaying in Iraq is not an option. Many Americans who were among the most eager to invade Iraq now urge that we find a way out. These Americans include not only civilian “strategists” and other “hawks” but also senior military commanders and, perhaps most fervently, combat soldiers. Even some of those Iraqis regarded by our senior officials as the most pro-American are determined now to see American military personnel leave their country. Polls show that as few as 2 percent of Iraqis consider Americans to be liberators. This is the reality of the situation in Iraq. We must acknowledge the Iraqis’ right to ask us to leave, and we should set a firm date by which to do so.
We suggest that phased withdrawal should begin on or before December 31, 2006, with the promise to make every effort to complete it by June 30, 2007.
Withdrawal is not only a political imperative but a strategic requirement. As many retired American military officers now admit, Iraq has become, since the invasion, the primary recruiting and training ground for terrorists. The longer American troops remain in Iraq, the more recruits will flood the ranks of those who oppose America not only in Iraq but elsewhere.”
Now quit your self-righteous whining.
What you posit as solutions aren’t even the beginnings of a serious discussion of solutions.
If you don’t like wages/benefits at WalMart, go somewhere else. That is why God gave you feet. They knew the wage/benefits when they hired on. Why, then, did they take the job?By the way, what’s the unemployment rate in Germany? I’ll tell you it is much higher than here.
TRACE–
It’s a way for the CONservatives to shift the argument away from “Holy Crap! Did they ever screw up even though we were screaming for them to stop” to “so, what are you going to do about it now?”
It’s like if I blow up your house and you get mad, I just shift the question to “so . . . what do you do now?”
I always get a good laugh at “wealth equality” (or inequality) – which is easily interpreted as socialism.
In my experience, people that want the government to facilitate wealth redistribution do so because they can’t go out and earn it themselves – for whatever reason. Generally speaking, people attain wealth via hard work and application of intelligence. Sure, a few inherit wealth, but the vast majority EARN it.
Our country provides unlimited opportunity for anyone to go out and earn it. If you don’t like the way the boss runs your company, then go start your own. And it really is just that simple.
Sure, you might have to find investors, but if you know your stuff, have a good product, know the business and customer base…then you’ll have no trouble finding investors.
Ok, it takes balls to risk your savings and future with your current employer to go out on your own – but someone had the balls to start the company you’re working for now…
Bottom line, the government has no business redistributing wealth just because it’s “inequal”. Darwin was right (and Marx was wrong)…
Germany’s unemployment rate is over twice what it is here.
Hotwood–
No, I insist, you tell me, what is unemployment in Germany?
And after you find out, let me remind you that slaves had jobs too.
How is the unemployment rate measured? All too often in the US discouraged workers are dropped from the statistics.
Discouraged workers?Call them losers or democrats.Discouraged?
Hotwood–
You might want to check the election results again.
The losers were the Republicans.
KSGolfnut <– republican, gainfully employed, business owner, free thinker.
*looking around* I see no losers in my office.
(And we all make a lot of money)
free thinker?I’ve never seen an original thought out of you, fuzznuts.I know lots of jerks with money.
capn-I wasn’t talking about the election. I was talking about the political party of the people in the food/welfare/unemployment/hand-out lines.
Yeah, I’m accustomed to being called a jerk by those unwilling to EARN wealth.
I don’t really pay much attention to it.
Man, has this thread taken a back seat to the drivel coming out of many mouths here.
It would be interesting to hear what both have to say. From watching reactions from both of them during tv stints, I would say Mary wears the pants in the family and James is pissed about it.
But how anyone could even think to assume people of opposite polarity, politics wise, should be mortal enemies, goes way beyond arrogance. My God, Ian in spades, no pun intended:-) Why the hell do you think the middle east countries are so screwed up anyway?
That rates right up there with the regilious right being the main problem in this country. O, wait . . . that was said somewhere here also, wasn’t it?
Hell, pardon me if my sarcasm is showing. Something is definetely wrong when I agree with Ian on a point.
hmmm … <—– independent, leans Democrat, gainfully employed, business owner, free thinker.
*looking around* I see no losers in my office either. (except maybe the OU and Texas fans!)
I have to agree with you on that one, hmmm…
Some pretty unhappy Wildcats in my office, too.
Rock Chalk!!
Yea, some unhappy KState guys too … hehehe.
Now if UCLA can just knock off the University of Spoiled Children in two weeks …
I will be in the balcony for the start at around 7:00 pm, if anyone wishes to join me. Should be interesting, informative and fun. Will they be serving adult beverages:-)
JM–I think I’m going to go too.
I’ll be the one in the “V” for Vendetta mask . . .
Ya know?
I’m all the time seeing and hearing conservatives extolling this “opportunity”.
Thing is? I aint never found it. It sure aint in answering to others who pay you as little as possible and treat you like crap. SO my take is that it is a lie.
Let’s recap–Goofnut’s solution to poverty in America?
Let them all start their own business!
Unbelievable. Why not suggest that the poor just go on the PGA tour and make some money that way . . .
So now gooftesticles is a business owner? That’s odd, a few months ago he was working for someone else.
Bush (TM) has that same problem, PolMom. Can’t keep all the lies straight . . .
CapnAmerica,
I’ll be the one laughing my tax assessment off! See ya there.
Hank, if you’re around, love to see you there. Too damn cold for the range, bro.
Where’s the best place to get tickets?