Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline is bottom-feeding by dredging up a 15-year-old sexual harassment allegation against challenger Paul Morrison — a case that was dismissed twice for lack of evidence.
Kline slipped a mention of the allegation into a debate last week in Wichita. He then held a press conference about it Monday in Topeka.
But Kline was upstaged by Morrison’s wife, who showed up at the press conference and rebutted the charges.
“I don’t know when Phill lost his moral compass,” Joyce Morrison said. “I don’t understand how a person who claims family values can go out and attack another person’s family.”
Coming in the wake of new poll results that give Morrison a 13-point lead, Kline’s attack is likely to carry the whiff of desperation.
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Desperation is right. Expect to see much more of the same from all Republican pols and their sycophants in the public as their day of reckoning draws inexorably closer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK5fDT4XvWQ
liar liar pants on fire
Maybe this is a sign of the Religious Right’s losing power in the GOP party? God, I hope so.
I believe the statement was done in retaliation of Morrison’s personal attacks on Kline. Morrison appears to be bottom feedin as well and for a longer period of time.
And where exactly are these polls taken I would like know. What neighborhood and what is the political demographics of the neighborhood?
Mysterious how this polls just pop up out of nowhere. I’ve taken 1 political poll in my entire life and I took the iniative to do that myself.
I just imagine pollster when they go down the voter list and see Republican by my name, keep going until they find a Democrat.
Polls are rubbish.
15-year-old case – and it was dismissed due to LACK OF EVIDENCE! Is that what we want in our top prosecuter?
What personal attacks has Morrison done to Kline?
The only thing Phill Kline could find on Morrison was a 15-year old sexual harrassment case that had been dismissed twice? Morrison has been a district attorney and has made probably made alot enemies along the way by sending criminals up the river, so it is not surprising that someone tried to get Morrison on something.
But the facts are there was lack of evidence which means the case was obviously drummed up.
And kudos to Morrison’s wife for showing up and defending her husband. BTW, where is Phill Kline’s wife? I’ve never seen her.
JM, I have noted over time that many folks’ reactions to polls is similar to their definition of “activist judges”. In both cases, it depends on what side of the fence the person is.
I, too, am dubious of polls, although I don’t discount the results just because I wasn’t one of the persons contacted. Assuming a reliable sample, polls can provide an accurate “snapshot” of the public as of the date and time the poll was conducted. I suspect the pollsters learned their lesson in 1948, when they quit polling 3 weeks before the election, and missed the shift for Truman.
“Kline said he was justified in bringing up the lawsuit because Morrison often has mentioned that Kline’s nephew, whom Kline had hired to be his driver, had been arrested on drug charges, and that Bryan Brown, whom Kline hired as director of the attorney general office’s consumer affairs division, had been arrested a dozen times as an anti-abortion protester.”Lawrence Journal World, Scott Rothschild , oct 17,2006
More on Polls:Concerning the poll in this particular blog:”Filtering: 1,000 Kansas adults were interviewed 10/13/06 – 10/15/06. Of them, 795 were registered to vote. Of them, 541 were judged to be “likely voters” for the Governor’s contest. 535 were judged to be “likely voters” for Attorney General. 531 were judged to be “likely voters” for Secretary of State. 525 were judged to be “likely voters” for Treasurer. 532 were judged to be “likely voters” for Insurance Commissioner.”
All that “filtering and judging” is not likely to produce a fair poll.
Besides using 535 voters out of an Electorate populatation is hardly statistically sound mathematics to prove who is ahead or behind in political race or a horse race.
It’s always amusing to me how Republicons (no typo) discount each and every poll that shows them losing, them warmly embrace the ones that show them ahead. It’s just part and parcel of typical GOP hypocrisy, of which they would be ahead in EVERY poll.
Phil Kline never had a moral compass.
Election day can’t get here soon enough. I am looking forward to this newspaper and all the other libs crying and gnashing teeth and tearing their clothes. “What happened?” you will sob, “the polls said we were going to win!”Have you forgotten already that Kerry was polled to win big?He didn’t. People lie to pollsters all the time.
I see our troll has returned. Too bad he/she is too gutless to use a real name.
I don’t believe in any polls published by an media regardless of their preconceived political affiliation. They are simply too easy to rig to favor one position over the other.
I think I’ll hold my breath until Scholfield writes an editorial ripping Harry Reid for his ethical lapses. How do you think that will turn out?
saw another Reid thing today:
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/17/democratic-leader-harry-reid-used-campaign-money-for-bonuses/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comcast.net%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Findex.jsp%3Fcat%3DPOLITICS%26fn%3D%2F2006%2F10%2F17%2F500603.html&frame=true
Kerry was NEVER “polled to win big”:http://pollingreport.com/2004.htm#PollsterHotlick, because I already know you can’t read, the biggest lead Kerry had in any poll was 2.1 percent with a 3.5 margin of error.But then again, you probably can’t do math, either…
Exit polls had him winning big.
Exit polls in Ohio … with Diebold machines …
Funny thing about exit polls … we use them overseas as a check on the honesty of an election … like in Ukraine.
I don’t remember any poll for Kerry to win big either. For the most part it was too close to call. and, if the truth be known, Kerry probably did win but with stealing votes again – Bush won.
Lucee, that was perfect. You represent your party very well.
I’m an independent but I see dirty politics when Bush is running – it’s happened twice!
Isn’t it degrading that your guy can only win by cheating? Is that really a victory?
It seems that if ol’ Ben here doesn’t agree with you, you are a “troll”. Or, if you don’t post your “real name” you are a troll as well. So, to please Ben, I ask that everybody that isn’t already posting their “real name” to do so. I think that would make Ben happy.
SM – I used the term troll for a guy who posted using my name. I would be like me posting using your name.
like this SM.
Okay, hotlick, I promise not to confuse you with the facts any more.
Ben’s comment about exit polls and Diebold voting machines causes me to remember the 1960 presidential election, and Cook County, Illinois. As I recall, there was plenty of evidence of vote fraud, even though paper ballots were in use. Nixon, however, determined that he would not seek a recount, in the best interests of the country. Can anyone imagine that happening in today’s polarized political climate?
I hear, from very reliable sources, that the Kansas City Star is preparing a series of articles on how Morrison has over stepped his authority and other cases involving misconduct in Johnson County. Can’t tell you what it is exactly about but its going to hurt his credibility.
I remember that Vaughn. I also remember some stories I heard about it, including why the polls have to stay open at least 2 hours after sundown – to allow the dead to rise from the graves and vote!
Go back a bit further to LBJ’s original election to Congress – more of the same.
OR THIS SM.
Mr.C– I guess you got the email.
As for the poll I find it a bit unlikely that Morrison has that big a lead – not in a state as red as KS!
Is this Phill Kline?
http://www.gossamer-wings.com/soc/Notes/race/tsld007.htm
Adorno identified the authoritarian personality type as having these characteristics.The authoritarian personality does not want to give orders, their personality type wants to take orders. People with this type of personality seek conformity, security, stability. They become anxious and insecure when events or circumstances upset their previously existing world view. They are very intolerant of any divergence from what they consider to be the normal (which is usually conceptualized in terms of their religion, race, history, nationality, culture, language, etc.) They tend to be very superstitious and lend credence to folktales or interpretations of history that fit their preexisting definitions of reality (thus the Founding Fathers of the US are conceptualized of as supporters of white nationalism.) They think in extremely stereotyped ways about minorities, women, homosexuals, etc. They are thus very dualistic- the world is conceived in terms of absolute right (their way) Vs. absolute wrong (the “other” whether African American, liberal, intellectual, feminist, etc.)
Steve – you mean the left-wing liberal media is going to do an attack piece on Morrison just before election day?
Not yet.
It doesn’t matter if any of it is true. Just as long as the paper attackes Morrison. That is all that matters.
You’d hump a hunchback?but ot vote for him?Hmmmmm…..interesting
More trolls, oh boy.Me like trolls.They crunchy when roasted.
interesting … ‘good liberal girl’ and ‘liberals hate facts’ share an email address …
Can’t come up with anything to be proud of with the repugs, so just post under stew-pud names and attack everybody that’s a regular here.MMMMM…trolls!
You’re a’ catchin’ on SM.Stick around.
.morg,
Nice inclusion of Adorno. Before he had to get the fuck outta Frankfurt, he saw Bush’s prototype (Adolph) up close. To my ears, the description rings pretty darn true to the “soft” fascist currently residing in the White House.
Myself, I think of W as a classic example of narcissistic personality disorder.
As for the punk-ass, namestealing fascist minions swarming around here today: what a bunch of pissants you are. I’ll dedicate an ’80’s thrash-metal classic to you:
“Kill Yourself”The Stormtroopers of Death
“Can’t take it, never couldTime to end it, wish you wouldFriends and family, they’re all goneLife for you is just a conDig yourself a hole in the groundPush up daisies six feet downTake a dirt nap, buy the farmInject a bubble in your arm
[CHORUS]Kill yourself, kill yourselfWhy don’t you kill yourselfDon’t rely on no one elseEnd it all just kill yourself
Life is just a one way ticketEveryone must go aroundHere’s a bucket go and kick itSlit your wrists without a soundWhen you go don’t make a big dealNo dramatics, don’t overplayCause don’t you know that we’ll all feelBetter once you’ve gone away
[CHORUS-MOSH PART]
Kill yourself, kill yourselfWhy don’t you kill yourselfDon’t rely on no one elseEnd it all just kill yourself
You’re a loser, there’s nothing left for youA worthless loser, at everything you do”
Wow CF, that’s harsh.Good job.
CF,
You do such a good job of representing the liberals. …..and I thought it was the CONSERVATIVES that were full of hate.
Three weeks. A lot can happen …
Libs. Ya gotta love ‘em.
Phil Kline’s wife has four legs….the old goat.Really, have you seen a more stuffy uptight MF’er than Phil Kline. The SOB would love to drink a few and get laid but his mothers quaint voice is selling him damnation as he walks through life.I hope the silly bastard moves out of state.
Yeah, libs make good entertainers….just don’t let them gain any real power.
Of course you are right, Ben.3 weeks is forever. The poll that Scholfield so gleefully reported is really no-news (Kline’s race to the bottom?) What really kills me is, who are these dopes who haven’t made up their mind and going back and forth? I know who I’m voting for and I know that 99% of the posters know who they are voting for.
A few hours ago I started holding my breath until Scholfield wrote an editorial ripping Harry Reid for his ethical lapses. I’m starting to get dizzy.
hotlick – I don’t know that very many switched between the poll dates; rather many who were undecided a month ago swung to Morrison. I get a 99% total in the poll which is consistent with what you say here. 97% gov makes sense too when there is a Libertarian alternative good for a couple points.
With almost zero undecided I would say that both Kline and barnett are in a hole. However, not insurmountable.
By the way, I was one of those polled by Channel 12 this time.
Hotlick;
Please don’t think for a minute that the posters here (on either side of the political divide) are representative of the public as a whole. They are not. ESPECIALLY our usual left-wing cabal.
It’ll be close, come election day.
GMC – how about our usual right-wing cabal?
1% undecided? One would get 5% undecided if asked where the Sun rises. Something smells, but we will see. That’s all we can do. I don’t care for “polls as news”.
GMC70-I’m with you. The posters here are political junkies, like me. None of that “start paying attention after Labor Day” stuff with us.
Ben:
I’ve received a couple of what I would call push-poll calls; I hung up. I also hung up on a poll call from some one else, don’t know who. It seemed legit, but my answer to “do you intend to vote?” and “who do you intend to vote for?” is always “none of your damn business.” I hung up.
Personally, I NEVER answer any poll, from any side, for any reason. Period. That’s why I give little credence to any poll, by any organization.
I agree hotlick that we are the junkies. That said, however, it sure looks like positions have set overall.
The political parties do call their own registered voters and ask who you intend to vote for. Everytime I do, I always state WHO I’m calling for (which party I’m volunteering for)…who I am (my real name) and then ask if they have a few moments to talk to me. No sense in being rude.
Mom:
If that’s you, sorry. But I have little patience for calls at home, in the evening, for any reason. I’d like to unhook the damn phone entirely, given a choice.
And I believe the constant polling, and the focus on the “horserace” aspect of our politics that same reinforces, is unhealthy for the body politic. I simply won’t take part in it.
By JWink, moderate Republican and former long-time Republican Precinct Committeeman:
The best way is VOTE NO INCUMBENTS in this November’s general election. So vote for the following candidates:
For Governor: elect Jim Barnett, Republican.
For Attorney General: elect Paul Morrison, Democrat.
For County Commissioners, VOTE OUT THE THREE INCUMBENTS, Ben Shortino, David Unruh and Lucy Birtnet. REPLACE THEM WITH NEW CANDIDATES: KELLY PARKS, GWEN WELSHEIMER, AND JAMES DONNELL, former Wichita Mayor.
Let’s give these new people the opportunity to implement their fresh new ideas.
hotlick,
“I think I’ll hold my breath until Scholfield writes an editorial ripping Harry Reid for his ethical lapses.”
What ethical lapses? The Ethics Committee is still looking into it. Do you believe he’s guilty until possibly declared innocent, and then hope media ignores his innocence?
He didn’t sell his land in 2001, so couldn’t report it as a “sale”. He transferred it into an LLC, and continued to own it, through the LLC.
Unlike Hastert, Reid did not use his influence to cause the land to increase in value. He bought it at market value, and the increase in value (profit) was normal for that rapidly growing area.
Campaign donations to the employee holiday fund in his apartment building?That was for the extra work they had to do because of Reid’s campaign, and helping the security officers assigned to him. Reid’s previous and current lawyer advised the donations were permissble.http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001808.php
In this race, I do not care about label of Republican, Democrat, Independent, Communist, Libertarian, or vegetable. As long as Kline loses, I am a happy camper.
Anyone remember the “btk press conference”?? Kline stood there, pandering to the church crowd, claiming the “faith community” deserve praise for bringing this case to a conclusion by their prayers.
Oh give me a break. We need something more substantial than that as the chief prosecutor. Here is a thought, how about an experienced PROSECUTOR for a change????
I remember that BTK press conference and the religious wackos trying to take credit for their prayers catching BTK. But wasn’t Dennis Rader one of those church leaders? No wonder they knew where to look.
Todd Tiahrt was part of that showboat BTK press conference too…..
Cosmos–You should be commended for your loyalty. Nothing wrong with that. You shouldn’t deny that this story is being treated differently from the Foley story. Foley hasn’t been convicted either, but we all know he’s guilty. At least he resigned. Reid is guilty of something. I was only hoping that Scholfield would man-up. I’m still holding my breath. I’m getting woozier by the minute.
Some good introductory information on sampling, confidence interval estimation, and basic issues in inferential statistics:
http://www.statsoft.com/textbook/stpowan.html
I also attended the BTK press conference. Does anyone recall the wrenching conclusion to that ill-fated assembly? After two or more hours introducing everyone involved including AG Phill Kline, the Police Chief announced the congratulatory speeches had finally come to an end. With smiles all around and cameras rolling from all over the world — finally a strident voice from the crowd yelled, “Who in the h— is BTK anyway”?
Shocked, the Chief asked the Sheriff. The KBI asked the FBI. Everyone looked at each other. “No, no, we don’t know.”
Amazingly no one seemed to know. Finally, before they could send a runner up to the jail to ask BTK himself, someone finally said, “I think BTK is Dennis Rader.”
Had BTK surrendered by revealing his name, address and telephone number in the word puzzle he sent to the police? Or was he “captured”? Your guess is as good as mine.
With that, the long frightening 35 year old murder case ground to a conclusion.
I am shocked and appalled that Morrison would find a woman attractive! Little alone have the gall to tell her that she was attractive! What is next? will he be telling a woman she looks nice today! Why women never like to hear after they spent the time to pick out the just the right attire and making sure their make-up is just right and her hair is good. That she looks nice today, who would want to be told they are attractive?
Gee the stink that Kline is raising you would think that Morrison had try to get medical records for a fishing exposition! Oh wait a minute…Kline thinks that is a good idea!
So hotlick, sm, lmnop, et al….
What names will you be posting under AFTER November 7?
Surely you will be too humiliated in defeat to come back here under these nics.
Piss and moan and sigh all you want over the polls. Whistle past the graveyard.
November is gonna be so.much.fun.
Love the smell of Republican flop sweat in the evening.
OMG………………….Kline and the RR are getting desperate!
writerdog: Excellent observations above. What is this world coming to? To be so non-sexist, males are not supposed to recognize a woman from a man! Yes, and government stems from the one world order — and we might as well be robots!
Now, if the GOP can just keep from electing Melvin Neufeld as Speaker of the House…
Funny thing happened today. I ran into my relatives who are all Republican. They saw my Morrison bumpersticker and they said that we all finally agree on something, Kline has to go to the unemployment line.
Damn, doug; I applied to Klein to be a virginity checker.
hotlick,
“Cosmos– You shouldn’t deny that this story is being treated differently from the Foley story. Foley hasn’t been convicted either, but we all know he’s guilty. At least he resigned. Reid is guilty of something. … I’m still holding my breath. I’m getting woozier by the minute.”
Maybe holding your breath has caused your brain(?) to malfunction more than usual?
Is what Reid might be guilty of (not disclosing the non-sale of land) equal to Foley’s alleged crimes? Also, Reid did not resign, or enter re-hab.
A better comparison is between media coverage of Hastert’s and Reid’s land sales. See http://mediamatters.org/items/200610170007
Do you want to claim, on this blog, that AP’s Solomon coverage of Reid during the last 6 months is not inaccurate?http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001782.php
Over the hill, Phill . . .
Looks like a 45 year old is soon to get a pink slip like all the working stiffs that voted for him.
I’m sure he’ll be able to get a job just as good as the one he had–it’s entirely a matter of “personal responsibility” remember, Phill?
I graduated from Washburn Law School in 1980 with Paul Morrison. He will not receive my vote. I realize the sexual harassment charges were dropped. I am not surprised they were filed not because he came onto the female students but because of the distain he held for the women students.
And Phill Kline does not show his disdain for women each time he opens his mouth? I find Kline to be a self-serving male who will use the issue of women to get to where he wants to go politically.
If he really cared about abortion and child rapists/molesters, then he would be out looking for medical records in all hospitals and clinics – not just the abortion clinics.
uh oh, looks like SOMEBODY’s ship is sinking!
hehehee
As soon as the poll numbers came out showing the shift to Morrison, primarily crediting Wichita, the Eagle opinion editors, buttons popping ‘cuz their unrelenting mud slinging had paid dividends, cranked out yet another attack.
They did this while ignoring TV ads by challenger Morrison casting aspersions on Kline’s ethics for hiring Bryan Brown because of his 16 arrests for civil disobedience, based on principle. Yet in the same issue, on the front page lauds civil rights civil disobedience. I wonder what the Eagle would think of those refusing to hire African-Americans because they had engaged in civil disobedience? Or impuning those who had did?
Hypocrisy, thy name is Eagle.
Good job, Outlander.Cosmos, linking to left wing sites gets you nowhere. I don’t know where you get Perve boy didn’t resign. Come on November 7!!!I haven’t seen the paper yet today. Do we get front page coverage of the ethically challanged Reid? I think I’m starting to turn blue, but, I’ll keep holding my breath.
Can we work to insure Tanker Todd is not re-elected? Will we vote for Garth McGINN? I hope so.I think Garth, as unknown as he is, can be a new fresh voice for moderates and independents in district 4. In reviewing todd’s record I can’t see much of anything he has actually accomplished for the district / Kansas in 12 years. He voted 4 times against a Congressional Investigation into the Halliburton, Caci et al contracts in Iraq that have squandered billions and adversely affected our soldiers ability to fight the best fight. He purports to supporting our troops yet has voted for legislation / appropriations that have REMOVED 2 billion dollars from the Military Personnel budget. I cannot find any legislation, supporting the military that todd has sponsored or co-sponsored in the last 4 years. He recently voted for a meager 2.2% pay raise for the military, even though DOD and the Senate had approved a 2.7% pay raise. Todd has also been a close ally of Tom Delay, the Texas rep that resigned when he was indicted for campaign fund raising irregularities in Texas and money laundering. Todd gave and received money from delays various shadowy PACs.GARTH McGINN, although new, can and will be part of the new Democratic Congress that will take aggressive steps in Ethics reform, Immigration reform. and tax reform. I believe he can be instrumental in bringing / advocating for the alternative fuels industry in Kansas, creating thousands of jobs, and providing new revenue sources for kansas farmers — he deserves our support.Tell our friends — tell your neighbors — think of the positive headlines it will bring to the nation when the unknown Democrat,GARTH McGINN, from Kansas defeats an entrenched conservative republican lackey without the benefit of much if any help from the DNC.his web site is:www.gogarth.org he will appreciate any help you can provide.
Stealing from IAN :Viva McGINNVote McGINN IN !!!!!!!!!!!!!
When Satan’s ice skatin’ McGinn will win!!
Tracy don’t you know that swearing is the sign of an unsophisticated mind. What does it get you? Respect??? I don’t think so!
The fact that Bob Stephan laft Kline’s office will help Kline on the road to the bottom.
hotlick,
“I don’t know where you get Perve boy didn’t resign.”
My bad, a typo, left off the “?” at end of sentence.
Point is, “Perv boy” admitted his guilt, but Reid denied he did anything wrong. At worst, Reid did a minor technical violation.
Why do you think the two cases deserve equal media coverage?
hotlick – I haven’t seen any articles in the Eagle about ethically-challenged Hastert:
Hastert crooked land deal:
“Hastert used his office to increase the value of his real estate, there is no similar evidence about Reid’s transaction.
House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert pocketed almost $2 million from real estate deals adjacent to his Plano home in booming Kendall County, one of the fastest growing areas in the nation.The transactions prompted questions Wednesday from the Sunlight Foundation, a new watchdog group, about whether Hastert, who earmarked $207 million in federal dollars for the proposed Prairie Parkway, had his profits swollen because of the highway.In an October 6 column for The New Republic Online, American Enterprise Institute resident scholar Norman Ornstein and Center for American Progress senior fellow Scott Lilly filled in more details regarding Hastert’s “unusually active role in shepherding” the 2005 transportation bill, to which he earmarked the funds for the Prairie Parkway. According to their column, Hastert assumed “a more aggressive role than he played at any other point in his speakership.” Ornstein and Lilly also wrote:The Hastert earmark not only provided money for Parkway construction but mandated that the construction take place on the portion of the Parkway nearest his recently purchased property. While the money contained in the highway bill was sufficient to build only about one-third of the entire 36-mile road, the speaker insured that the right third would be selected by also earmarking funds for construction of a [sic] interchange in that portion of the proposed tho[r]oughfare [sic].By contrast, there are no allegations that Reid used his office in any way that might have affected the value of his land.
Gosh, I could almost feel sorry for outie the way things are going for his gods, the gop.
“Kline’s ethics for hiring Bryan Brown because of his 16 arrests for civil disobedience, based on principle”
hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee
So if I get arrested 16 times for murder, but I killed for principle, that would be ok?
hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee
Damn, dont you think the AG shouldnt hire ANYONE arrested 16 times for ANYTHING?
Or hire his nephew as his driver after he had been convicted of serious offences?
hee hee hee hee hee hee hee
They dont even TRY to hide the hipocrisy anymore…
What is the typical wingnut response here when they are confronted with the very REAL ethical issues surrounding their leaders?
They shout “Harry Reid, Harry Reid”.
And might I add….
BILL CLINTON BILL CLINTON BILL CLINTON
Geez, we dont even let FIVE year olds get away with saying “yeah but the other kids did it too.”
Especially when the “other kids” DIDNT commit the kind of offenses they did. AND they were caught red handed.
But please, feel free….
BILL CLINTON! HARRY REID!
Where oh where is Paulie the Shillie?
He’s missing out on all OUR fun.
heheheheheheh
Here paulie paulie paulie.
Here boy. Here boy.
You go girl.You gettem.They been mean to me.Bad wingers, BAD.
Shit they don’t have a damn thing to be proud of or optimistic on the right wingnut side, so may as well screw with somebody that does.
Awwwwww, Tracey.
“They been mean to me.Bad wingers, BAD.”
You mean when I’m not here they pick on YOU?
I think you had the right idea when you said “roast ‘em up brown and crunchy”.
That goes for wingnuts and trolls.
But I like the wingnuts with a little sugar to counter the bitterness.
hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee
I chewed on a winger once,hadda go out and puke right after.TASTED LIKE LOBBYIST ASS!!
heheheheheheheheheh
With all due respect to Kurt…
Smells like K Street Spirit?