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http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27268970.shtmlDemocrats on Sex and ChildrenBy L. Brent Bozell IIIOct 11, 2006After more than 100 stories on ABC, CBS and NBC about the Mark Foley Internet-messaging scandal, it wouldn’t be hard for the average Joe to conclude the Democrats are now the Party of Moral Values.Democrats are demanding that Republicans return the monies Foley gave their campaigns. Nancy Pelosi, the House minority leader who would very much like Denny Hastert’s job, is predictably fanning the flames. “We want to know,” she thunders, “why the Republicans chose to protect Mark Foley’s political career rather than protect the children who were in our charge.”To which I want to thunder back: Is there a muzzle large enough to fit a mouth such as Nancy Pelosi’s?Unwind that soundbite. Since when have the Democrats really been the party to protect children from the sexual advances of adults? Let’s get to the point: Since when have Democrats like Nancy Pelosi cared, really cared, about men seeking out boys for sex?There’s an organized lobby for this perversion: the National Man-Boy Love Association. In 1997, NAMBLA made national headlines when a 10-year-old Massachusetts boy named Jeffrey Curley was abducted by two men, choked on a gasoline-soaked rag when he wouldn’t consent to sex, murdered and then sexually assaulted.Curley’s parents sued NAMBLA, since one of the killers said he was discouraged from following his fiendish desires until the organization encouraged him. The Curleys’ lawyer explained how the group instructed perverts on how to lure children into sex, citing a NAMBLA publication he calls “The Rape and Escape Manual.” Its actual title is “The Survival Manual: The Man’s Guide to Staying Alive in Man-Boy Sexual Relationships.”What does this have to do with the Democrats and Nancy Pelosi? The ever-prescient Mark Levin connected the dots on his radio program. NAMBLA easily found lawyers to defend them against the parents of the murdered boy — the American Civil Liberties Union. Democrats like Pelosi are demanding that every Republican return any dirty Foley contributions they received, but do you think a single one of them has ever returned a dime generated for their coffers by the ACLU?The American Spectator reported that in a 2001 “gay pride” parade in San Francisco, Nancy Pelosi was just three spots in the parade from radical gay advocate Harry Hay, who avidly spoke in favor of sex with teens and fiercely advocated for NAMBLA’s inclusion in gay-pride parades. Did Pelosi ever protest NAMBLA’s presence in parades?But go back to Pelosi’s soundbite, because there’s something there that’s even more jarring: Since when do ultraliberals like San Fran Nan believe that a 17-year-old is a “child,” anyway?Consider the most sacred of sacred rights of liberals, abortion. When a teenage girl desires an abortion (or two, or three), do abortion-enabling liberals like Nancy Pelosi defend her as a “child”? Kansas pro-life attorney general Phill Kline fought last year to press abortion clinics to give him medical records of underage girls who sought abortions as part of an investigation into sexual abuse of minors. Liberals like Planned Parenthood fought for what they called the privacy of “women’s medical records.”And if liberal Democrats think sex between adults and children is gravely wrong, why are they accepting massive donations from Hollywood? One odd twist in the news networks’ shock-and-awe Mark Foley bombing is that their entertainment network cousins relish the very same activity, for fun and laughter, on their sex-drenched dramas.ABC News broke open the Foley case. ABC Entertainment distributes “Desperate Housewives.” During the last May sweeps, they pushed this plot: Bree, the red-headed Desperate Housewife, started seeing a man who was not only a drunk, but a sex addict. Bree’s children then started trying to seduce him, and ultimately their mother came home to find her gay teenage son, Andrew, in the bedroom with her new beau. For ABC, this was all a delicious plot twist, a naughty giggle. No one was outraged. No Democrat returned contributions from Disney.No, liberal Democrats in Congress are not the standard-bearers for “child protection” when it comes to sex. And neither are the news networks that suddenly are outraged — outraged, we say! — about Mark Foley’s behavior.ABC, CBS and NBC provided exactly zero coverage of the Curley v. NAMBLA suit. (But they did briefly cover NAMBLA — when allegations about it floated into the Catholic priest abuse scandal of monstrous Father Paul Shanley in Boston in 2002.) What of Planned Parenthood’s re-labeling of children as adults to ensure the privacy of their abortions? ABC, CBS and NBC didn’t cover that controversy, either. Outrage over the glorification of man-boy sex in entertainment? Not a peep.None of this is meant to minimize what is rightful outrage over Foley’s scummy behavior, and the actions (or inactions) of anyone covering them up. It is simply to demonstrate that some have a right to be outraged. And some don’t.L. Brent Bozell III is the president of the Media Research Center.
Since guilt-by-association is the new meme, look at this liberal Democrat (pervert) smiling with our Commander-in-Chief:
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0102/011402bushgeorgewkennedyted.jpg
Isn’t it just OBVIOUS, then, that Bush likes to diddle young boys–or at least supports it? The Foley incidents happened on his watch, after all, and we all know about Teddy (whisper! whisper!), don’t we?
But ya know, this is all Clinton’s. . .er, liberals. . .er, the Democrats. . .er, the ACLU. . .no, Planned Parenthood. . .hey, there’s gotta be SOMEONE other than the Republican leadership to blame!
The extreme desperation is almost painful to watch.
Didn’t Barney Frank’s boyfriend run a prostitution ring from Barney’s congressional home?
In 1990, the House voted to reprimand Frank when it was revealed that Steve Gobie, a male prostitute that Rep. Frank had befriended after hiring him through a personal advertisement, claimed to have conducted a prostitution ring from Frank’s apartment when he was not at home. Frank had dismissed Gobie earlier that year, and reported the incident to the House Ethics Committee, after learning of Gobie’s activities. After an investigation, the House Ethics Committee found no evidence that Frank had known of or been involved in the alleged illegal activity.[1]
The Boston Globe, among others, called on Frank to resign, but he refused. The House Ethics Committee recommended Frank be reprimanded because he “reflected discredit upon the House” by using his congressional office to fix 33 of Gobie’s parking tickets. Attempts to expel or censure Frank failed; instead the House voted 408-18 to reprimand him. This condemnation was not reflected in Frank’s district, where he won re-election in 1990 with 66 percent of the vote, and has won by larger margins ever since.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Frank
Just passing along information.
(a) – the then Dem controlled House reprimanded Frank and (b) those involved were consenting adults. As usual, confusing consensual adult sex with pedophilia.
Don’t worry sotheysaid,They will all be burning in hellfor eternity anyway. :)
This is gonna be fun:
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/11/bill-oreilly-worried-for-gays-safety/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpageoneq.com%2Fnews%2F2006%2Ffox_101006.html&frame=true
Mike Rogers says more outings on blogACTIVE are on the way
by PageOneQ
Mike Rogers, blogACTIVE and PageOneQ.com editor and publisher, appeared Monday on FOX News’ The O’Reilly Factor with host Bill O’Reilly. They discussed the effects the growing Mark Foley scandal, speculation around which O’Reilly described as “partisan nonsense.”
Rogers told O’Reilly that he has more members of Congress he will be reporting on as closeted and anti-gay before the election. “If the right wing thinks that homosexuality is tied to pedophilia, which we know is not true, what will they say in the next week or two when I release the names of other closeted gay memebrs of Congress in the Republican Party?” Rogers asked the host. “It’s going to happen. What will their response be?” he also asked.
“I fear that the homosexual community in America is going to be damaged by this whole thing,” O’Reilly stated, before asking Rogers if he agreed. “I think that America is able to tell the difference between gay men and closeted gay men who make unhealthy psychological decisions,” replied Rogers.
Rogers told O’Reilly that he will be releasing more names of closeted members of the Senate and House before election day. O’Reilly advised Rogers to “get [them] on the issues,” to which Rogers replied, “I am… and their hypocrisy.”
More fun …
Note that the author comes from inside the Bush administration …
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/11/olbermann-bush-is-playing-christians-for-suckers/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crooksandliars.com%2F2006%2F10%2F11%2Folbermann-exclusive-dissecting-new-book-tempting-faith%2F&frame=true
Olbermann Exclusive: Dissecting new Book: Tempting FaithBy: John Amato on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006 at 4:59 PM – PDTAccording to Kuo, Karl Rove’s office referred to evangelical leaders as ‘the nuts.’
Tonight on Countdown‚ÄìDavid Kuo, who was the number two guy at the Office of Faith Based initiatives in the White House writes a scathing account of how the administration used Christians to grab and maintain power. This story validates Tucker Carlson’s admission that: “The deep truth is that the elites in the Republican Party have pure contempt for the evangelicals who put their party in power.”
When President Bush touched on Iraq at his news conference this morning, he may have been revealing more than he knew.
[video] BUSH: The stakes couldn’t be any higher, as I said earlier, in the world in which we live. There are extreme elements that use religion to achieve objectives.
He was talking about religious extremists in Iraq. But an hour later, Mr. Bush posed with officials from the Southern Baptist Convention.
Anybody catch the story about the crook that is Harry Reid? Personally banking millions from casino mafia members and crooked land developers in Nevada. This guy is worse than Tom Delay.
Looks like he might get santioned by the Senate Ethics Committee for lying and not reporting his personal million dollar gains.
At get this! He tried to shelter his earnings in paper companies so he can get away from paying income tax. LOL! The man who says that the rich needs to pay more taxes is trying to get over on the tax man! The guy is a joke. I doubt he will survive his next re-election bid.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/12/AR2006101200129.html
I saw that yesterday – I also saw another article purporting to debunk it. I hope whatever it is all comes out.
Regardless – if he is up for re-election this year he will win.
Per the wapo article:
Is that it Joe an accounting error? On a land sale? Do get out in the real world much? How can you compare that to way Tom Delay conducted business with his mafia styled tactics. Delay even had the name “the hammer” how macho.You can compare Mild mannered soft spoken Reid to slimy pesticide smelling Delay. I can see I wasted my tax dollars on your public school education.
Foley’s Former Adviser Fordham Scheduled to Testify at House Hearing
WASHINGTON — Investigators are questioning witnesses in a House page scandal whose information could potentially sink Republicans trying to maintain a congressional majority.
The testimony Thursday of former Rep. Mark Foley’s chief of staff, Kirk Fordham, will directly question the truthfulness of Speaker Dennis Hastert’s top aide.
Fordham said he can demonstrate that he warned Hastert chief of staff Scott Palmer about Foley’s approaches to male pages in 2002 or 2003. Palmer denied the warning took place.
Hastert’s aides said they first learned of an overly friendly Foley e-mail to a former page in the fall of 2005 — and never knew about sexually explicit messages to others until late last month when they became public.
The FBI is also investigating, trying to determine whether any crimes were committed by Foley.
While the ethics committee will try to learn who’s telling the truth, the court of public opinion appeared to be moving against the Republicans, who hold majorities in the House and Senate.
(Story continues below)
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/12/foleys-former-adviser-fordham-scheduled-to-testify-at-house-hearing/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fstory%2F0%2C2933%2C220118%2C00.html
Today’s Bushism:
“War is a dangerous place.”Washington, DC 5/7/2003
And he is ready and willing to lead from the rear.
“paper companies” – ALL companies are on paper. They have all sorts of documents and are created for a number of legitimate business reasons. Most small businesses today are organized as LLCs and operate under Subchapter K for IRS purposes. That does not necessarily mean anything sinister.
Ever run a closely held business Joe? Did you not incorporate it in some manner and register with the Secretary of State?
AMERICA HELD HOSTAGE:DAY 2091….
Presidency held hostage:831 Days left.
Congress held hostage:86 Days left.
HAVE A NICE DAY.
More news on the Goldilocks Economy
Default Servicing News is reporting Colorado Foreclosure Hotline Launches .
It’s official. Colorado’s new statewide foreclosure prevention hotline is open for business.
The hotline — 1-877-601-HOPE (4673) — was launched Tuesday morning. At least 65 housing counselors across Colorado are now taking calls, organizers say, along with some help from call centers based in other states. The aim of the hotline is to connect troubled Colorado borrowers with housing counselors in their area, so callers are instructed to enter their zip code and are then directed to the counselor nearest to their city.
Chase and Freddie Mac are helping fund the loss mitigation efforts in Colorado, but foreclosure prevention task force organizers are still looking for additional ways the non-profit loss mitigation groups can partner with lenders to bolster foreclosure prevention efforts even more.
Yuppies and Relos,can you say Ditech?D’oh!
As usual, williams is long on hysteria and short on facts.
I love posting this because the kookaide brigaide wont read it. Facts, schmacts, who needs them when you are a republican?
heheheheheh
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364×2375879
Oh and willfully untruthful, just for the record…
I am not a democrat. I have said that about a thousand times here.
Finding republicans heinous and odious does not make one a democrat.
KFG-I think you’re wasting your time with Joe. He thinks fiction is just another way to spell fact- after all, aren’t they interchangeable??
Communist then farm girl? ;-) (j/k take it easy).
I’m not sure of the takes of my fellow Republicans or conservatives on this whole Foley issue. But from my point of view, Republicans are not passing blame to Democrats or anyone else in this. The whole thing is disgusting. I do think Democrats who are trying to take down every incumbent Republican for this however are hypocrits. For every scandal you pull out on us, we can find at least one on you.Foley has resigned. If there are charges to be brought against them, lets bring them and move on. There are a lot bigger problems to deal with.
Is the impending republican implosion causing sts to drink so early in the am?
“Consider the most sacred of sacred rights of liberals, abortion.”
WTF?
Then she goes on to hit the other two republican memes for the trifecta of irrational lies about the “other side”
Nambla and the ACLU.
Not to mention hollywood, fictional tv shows, and once again, aclu and nambla.
STS, I gotta hand it to ya. Very few people could pull off that many outrageous lies with a straight face.
Especially very few christians. Yet sts seems to do it with ease.
WTF?
Had enough yet?
NO WINGNUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Republicans are not passing blame to Democrats or anyone else in this.”
Quote – “It is a left-wing conspiricy” Sean Hannity on his radio show last week.
Keeping tiahrt in office will keep people like sts, the fantasy and lie mongers, in power too.
Read that post and then tell me that is REALLY what you think is best for you? Your family? Your country?
A vote for tiahrt, bonbon huy, brenda or susan is a vote for the thinking of sts as evidenced in that post.
Not to mention paulie the shillie.
Is that REALLY what you want?
Give me someone in politics not an entertainer Ben. I haven’t quoted Sean, Ann Coulter or Rush ever on here even though I agree with most of what they say and there takes. They aren’t policy makers or elected officials. But they are primarly entertainers imho.
As hank would say “what a pantload”.
“”Republicans are not passing blame to Democrats or anyone else in this.”
I think STS post means hannity is a LYING pantload. She is one repub blaming the ACLU, nambla, and hollywood for…. what?
The failed iraq war?
The failed moral leadership of the republican congress?
The “dimunition” of the u.s. constitution?
hehehe. But the r’s aint blamin’ nobody.
Just ask ‘em.
Oh, and how do you know they are lying? heheheheh
Their lips are moving…..
KFG
I read yours, now read mine.The Kos’ examination ignores some of the most important aspects of the deal.
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/015527.php
hee hee hee hee hee
even values boy couldnt resist saying “yea, well, yer guys did it too….”
Is that the best he could do after a week’s vacation?
heheheheheheh
I see the WE caved in to the pressure of the talibornagainers and kept his rant on the editorial page.
jesus wept.
hee hee hee hee
Mr. Kia is shocked, SHOCKED I say that someone would mention that repubs are blaming dems for their failings.
Then he goes on to say this:
“For every scandal you pull out on us, we can find at least one on you.”
SO… we see how the r’s are dealing with it. Not admiting their faults, just shouting
“YEAH< WELL YER GUYS DID IT TOO!
Hee hee hee hee hee
Of course that is a short hop toBill Clinton! Bill Clinton! Bill Clinton!!
But they arent shifting the blame. Oh no….. uh uh……..
heheheh
Well, who wants to try something completely different?
Instead of a border fence, the U.S. should be building tunnels. Energy tunnels, to be exact.
An energy tunnel is a variation of the “Energy Tower” concept by Phillip Carlson and Dan Zaslavsky, using natural landforms. The concept is simple: Find a location in the desert, near the ocean, that has 3000 foot+ high mountains. “Wall over” the top several hundred feet of valleys that descend the mountains, creating large tunnels. Pump seawater to the top of the mountain, and spray it across the tops of the tunnels. The water evaporates and cools the air, which sinks into the tunnel, and comes out the bottom constrained by the valley walls. You now have a 100% guaranteed breeze, suitable for creating electrical power.
There are only a few places on earth where this technology is feasible. One of them is Baja California Norte. This would be a win/win proposition: the tunnels could be built with local, unskilled labor, cheap electricity could be sold to the United States, and the half-desalinized condensate could be further treated and used to promote agriculture.
Certainly, it is true that “good fences make good neighbors.” Mutual assured prosperity makes better ones.
I don’t understand the argument here.So certain members of the Republican party have no been proven to be as sinister as certain members of the Democratic party.The votes still go to platforms, ideas and solutions on what is best for the country.I’m still hedging my bet on November 8 Democrats still come up short on those.
Republicans not passing blame for the Republicans covered up a pedophile? Well that’s news. Here’s a quote from Representative McHenry (r-nc):
“This is not about Dennis Hastert. It’s about the sick acts perpetrated by Mark Foley and the question remains. The only question that remains is what did the Democrat leadership know and when did they know it. And I asked Rahm Emanuel and Nancy Pelosi to submit themselves under oath. They said no.”
Republicans keep on trying to get Democrats involved in this issue but no Democrat is involved. A Republican gave the messages to the media, the corporate media held onto the story until there was enough evidence to go on, then they broke the story after Republicans have sat on the issue for years.
ROBERT GREENWALD DOCUMENTARY “IRAQ FOR SALE” TO BE SHOWN FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IN WICHITA
You probably remember a few of Robert Greenwald’s other movies such as “Outfoxed” and “WalMart: The High Cost of Low Price.” In “Iraq for Sale,” Robert takes you inside the lives of soldiers, truck drivers, widows and children who have been changed forever as a result of profiteering in the reconstruction of Iraq. The film uncovers the connections between private corporations making a killing in Iraq and the decision makers who let it happen.
http://www.dfalink.com/search_iraqforsale.php
THURSDAY Oct 12 at the Rockwell Library on 9th (between Oliver and Woodlawn), 7:30 pm
Come early and enjoy the “previews.”
Now, now, KFG, what would you expect from the party that doesn’t stick to the issues, but instead attacks opponents on personal levels? When was the last time the Repubs actually campaigned on the issues? And when did truth matter? The entire party is a load of swiftboaters. Their boat has sprung a leak and is going down. That’s what I call karma. As long as they keep using the tactics they’ve been using for the past 50 years or more, sooner or later, it’s gonna come back and bite ‘em in the arse. ;)
Karma, baby. Karma.
Here’s a review of the I sent to my The Eagle. They chose to run some syndicated crap about Dylan’s new album instead, heigh ho . . .
“IRAQ FOR SALE” SHINES HARSH LIGHT ON WAR CONTRACTORS
As WWII began, President Franklin Roosevelt famously said, “I don’t want to see a single war millionaire created in the United States as a result of this world disaster.” Robert Greenwald’s latest documentary “Iraq for Sale” suggests our current administration seems to have exactly the opposite view.
The second largest army in Iraq is not the British or any other country in our shrinking “coalition of the willing.” It is the 25,000 employees of Blackwater, KBR, Halliburton, and CACI. Forty cents of every dollar controlled by the Pentagon now goes not to the US military, but to private contractors.
These corporations answer to no one in the chain of command. If a soldier uses excessive force, he must stand for a court-martial. A contractor simply gets sent home.
Everyone remembers the disgraceful pictures from the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. What Greenwald reveals is that fully half of the interrogators at the prison were not soldiers but employees of contracting companies, employees who took no tests, met only minimal standards and received virtually no training.
Critics used to complain about the “revolving door” as government officials morphed from public official to private consultant and back again. Now, there is no door because there’s _no wall_. Public money goes directly to private concerns run by former government cronies, under the authority of government bureaucrats who worked as top administrators of those same firms. Dick Cheney’s employment history as Secretary of Defense to CEO of Halliburton to Vice-President is but one example of this “new world order.”
Greenwald’s film leaves the viewer with a poignant sense of disillusionment—the needless deaths of beloved family members sacrificed for profits, the unconscionably shoddy work that puts our patriotic troops at risk, and the system of “cost plus” accounting that rewards companies for spending as much taxpayer money as possible.
In Iraq, Greenwald shows, some Americans are getting killed. Some others are making a killing.
It was probably that first line that killed it.
Eagle editors would never offend their corporate masters–Raytheon, Bombardier, Spirit, Koch–by pointing out that war profiteering is somehow . . . uh . . . bad.
“I don’t understand the argument here.So certain members of the Republican party have no been proven to be as sinister as certain members of the Democratic party.The votes still go to platforms, ideas and solutions on what is best for the country.”
Spare me Mr.Kia your party is running swift boat tactics and a non existent moral authority as if your bunch sits on Jesus lap.Is the country in any better shape? Deficit debt job creation. At some point you guys are going to have to pay these things down. Figure out something on the immigrant situation Iraq the trade deficit. You know real world yucky stuff not what goes on in heaven.
Exactly right, Morg.
The Republicans want to run as the right hand of God and when they are shown to be sexual “deviants” like all us other “deviants,” their excuse is “well, Democrats do it too.”
True.
But Democrats don’t RUN ON IT.
Duh.
According to STS I cannot possibly be a liberal.
In my wager with Hank on the election the loser gets to donate to Gerard House. That is a catholic charities abortion alternative. So, that seems to fly in the face of “that most sacred … abortion” bit.
I consider NAMBLA to be abhorrent; just as I would consider a NAMGLA (man-girl) to be abhorrent.
As for the ACLU I will go with a quote widely attributed to Voltaire: “I may disagree with everything you say, but will defend unto death your right to say it.” –Voltaire
Another good quote:
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and the government when it deserves it. –Mark Twain
I must be naive, but I cannot see why that review was not published.
This is an accurate portrayal of reality and even if it was not, that in itself would not preclude the Eagle from publishing it.
Send it to them again. Ask them if they choose to not use, to tell you why.
As you know I re-sent one of your others and never heard back from them. Send it directly to Dave K. He is a straight-shooter, I think.
Thanks Cap’n good meeting you the other night, keep us informed of other events that you will be at.It was a good movie got my blood pressure up a few notches.
Here’s a quote from Representative McHenry (r-nc):
“This is not about Dennis Hastert. It’s about the sick acts perpetrated by Mark Foley and the question remains. The only question that remains is what did the Democrat leadership know and when did they know it. And I asked Rahm Emanuel and Nancy Pelosi to submit themselves under oath. They said no.”
I had not seen that Doug. Thanks for posting.It’s funny that this is what I’ve said since the beginning. Congress is a workplace. Republicans/Democrats, they are co-workers. Everyone had to have an inclining of what Foley was doing.I’d say Rahm and Pelosi’s unwillingness to speak under oath on this gives some credence to my opinion/claims/ideas.
KIA – another poster showed a GOP house member blaming Dems for the Foley fiasco.
“Representative McHenry (r-nc):
“This is not about Dennis Hastert. It’s about the sick acts perpetrated by Mark Foley and the question remains. The only question that remains is what did the Democrat leadership know and when did they know it.
NOW FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENTFROM RED STATE RABBLE:
Thursday, October 12, 2006Tempting FaithDavid Kuo is a a self-professed conservative Christian. He spent five years as the second in command of President Bush’s Office of Faith Based Initiatives. Now he’s written a book about his experiences there titled, “Tempting Faith.”
In his book, Kuo writes that political strategist Karl Rove received conservative Christian leaders warmly, with hugs and smiles in person, but called them “the nuts” behind their backs.
It seems the words “ridiculous,” “out of control,” and just plain “goofy” were thrown about, as well.
Red State Rabble readers will be shocked to learn that Ken Mehlman, who at the time was White House political affairs director, knowingly participated in a scheme to use the office, and taxpayer funds, to organize “nonpartisan” events designed to mobilize religious voters.
Jonathan Larsen, producer of “Countdown” with Keith Olberman has more here. Many of these revelations and others will be the topic of discussion on tonight’s program.
You can watch it tonight at 8 p.m. ET
Useful IdiotsConservative pundit Tucker Calson spills the beans about Republican politicians’ contempt for the evangelicals:
TUCKER CARLSON: It goes deeper than that though. The deep truth is that the elites in the Republican Party have pure contempt for the evangelicals who put their party in power. Everybody in…
CHRIS MATTHEWS: How do you know that? How do you know that?
CARLSON: Because I know them. Because I grew up with them. Because I live with them. They live on my street. Because I live in Washington, and I know that everybody in our world has contempt for the evangelicals. And the evangelicals know that, and they’re beginning to learn that their own leaders sort of look askance at them and don’t share their values.
MATTHEWS: So this gay marriage issue and other issues related to the gay lifestyle are simply tools to get elected?
CARLSON: That’s exactly right. It’s pandering to the base in the most cynical way, and the base is beginning to figure it out.
Must be Clinton’s fault (somehow-some way) that the thumpers got duped by their repug (friends?).Spout a bunch of fucking lies to the evangelicals and they lap it up like the repugnican lap dogs that they are.
Maybe they can get Foley “saved” in time for another election.
Just for fun …
‚Ä¢ When a cat is dropped, it always lands on its feet. When toast is dropped, it always lands butter-side-down. I propose to strap buttered toast to the back of a cat [butter facing up]. The two will hover, spinning, inches above the ground. With a giant buttered-toast/cat array, a high-speed monorail could easily link New York with Chicago. — Omni
‚Ä¢ “The Earth is degenerating today. Bribery and corruption abound. Children no longer obey their parents, every man wants to write a book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching.” — Assyrian tablet, c. 2800 BC
Spout a bunch of fucking lies to the evangelicals and they lap it up like the repugnican lap dogs that they are.
That’s insulting. In a general election I recognize many times I am voting for the lesser of two evils because I believe in there fiscal policies.In a primary I vote for a person on beliefs more.I’ve said before in California’s recall Governor’s election, I voted McClintock because I felt his beliefs were more in line with mine than Arnold’s. In November between Arnold and Angelides out here, I will vote Arnold, the lesser of two evils, because of his fiscal policies.
‚Ä¢ “A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a work station…”
Today I’m on the family medical leave act Ben (thanks President Clinton!) to take a child to a Doctor in Fresno (100 miles away). Leaving shortly.
Hope the kid is OK. I am guessing the 100 mile trip is a specialist? Take care …
I wonder how some of our more faith based conservative posters will feel about the contempt and scorn the neocons have for them.
Go see “Iraq for sale”. You’ll see how the neocons have contempt for just about everything except money.
Did you ever watch the “Hour of Power” with Robert Tilton? my guess JR is that they will answer it the same way Tilton did when ABC exposed him as a fraud, “The forces of the Devil are attacking the true servant of the Lord!”. The exposure did have a effect on Tilton’s TV. show, the next year he only made eight million dollars in donations. Which was not enough to pay his salary and fund the TV. show where he would for an hour none stop tell people if they want the Lord to bless them, they would have to send him money! So the show went off the air and now I hear he sales used cars…No I am not kidding!
I remember that guy. He used to shill “prayer cloths” that you could hold and have your prayers answered.
I’m not a person of faith. But as I hope I showed with the Fox threads, I dislike it when folks faith is used to exploit them. The neocons have used not just faith but also folks’s patriotism to exploit them.
KIA, if you’re an evangelical republican I’ll pray for your soul.If you’re not then why be insulted?
Here is what i want to know…
Why is it these “Christians” are trying to force our country to be christian? The founding fathers didn’t intend it to be that way? The founding fathers were a bunch of men from all sorts of religions, and most of them were sleeping with their slaves…
They wanted religious freedom and the freedom to be free from religion. I have the right not to be oppressed by your religion.
Stephen D.
Your belief in the goodness of people is truly touching.
But that’s not how it works.
If papers printed articles based on what was true and well-written, the editorial pages would be full of Eric Alterman, Sy Hersh, Alexander Cockburn, Molly Ivins and The Rude Pundit.
A corporate newspaper like The Eagle exists to reassure people that the way things are, are exactly the way they “should be.”
Because that’s how the people in power like it. And the sheeple need to be kept quiet about it.
KIA–clue….Their fiscal policies are just more fucking lies spouted to the evangelicals who lap it up like the lapdogs they are.THE PARTY OF FISCAL CONSERVATISM.If that’s the truth, then black is white and up is down.
Writerdog, the “Hour of Power” is Rev. Robert Schuller’s show from the Crystal Cathedral. Please don’t confuse him with that fraud, Robert Tilton.
Tony, has that wild band of Christians been oppressing you too? What were they doing, telling you to say yer prayers? Maybe they were telling you about how porn degrades women? Not that?
Well, are you really gettin’ oppressed or just jumping on a bash Christians bandwagon?????
outieIt’s about the repugs using evangelicals as tools in a lying, mean spirited way.
Outie
I’m just sick and tired of them running around telling me that im going to hell because i choose to believe in what i do.
Having grown up in the Deep South many years ago I remember self-described “real Christians” saying that Catholics were all going to hell because they were not “real Christians”
if the Jerry Falwell’s and the Terry Fox’s in the world would keep their preaching to their church and leave the rest of us alone. I would be happy. They are actively trying to convert this country to their religion. The active promotion of candidates that believe as they do is proof enough. When those candidates get into office and try to change laws to match their beliefs, that is wrong and goes against what this country was founded on.
Tony: Christians are commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28:18-20 to spread the faith. When someone shares the gospel, they are simply being faithful.
I am sorry that hearing it affects negatively. I hope that when you hear it, it is presented in a positive way, as the Good News is intended. But if you are waiting for folks to deny their faith and just keep it themselves, it will be a very long wait.
I’m not asking them to deny their faith, I’m asking them to shut up and keep it out of government.
Like I said Tony, it will be a very long wait for you.
There are other faiths that call upon their followers to spread the faith. Should they also legislate their beliefs? How about no pork (Jewish, Islam). Fish in Friday (used to be catholic) No alcohol? (Muslim). No meat (Hindu) No marriage for divorced persons?
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Blackwater_USA
Blackwater recruits former Chilean commandosBlackwater and other U.S.-based private military contractors do not only recruit Americans; according to Jonathan Franklin, former commandos from Chile are an increasing presence among private military troops in Iraq. Gary Jackson, president of Blackwater, told the British newspaper The Guardian that former Chilean commandos, “many of who had trained under the military government of Augusto Pinochet,” will be sent to Iraq for a year and a half, to guard oil wells from saboteurs. “We scour the ends of the earth to find professionals – the Chilean commandos are very, very professional and they fit within the Blackwater system,” said Jackson. And the private military melting pot doesn’t stop there: “Squads of Bosnians, Filipinos and Americans with special forces experience have been hired for tasks ranging from airport security to protecting Paul Bremer, the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority.” [11] (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1162392,00.html)
[edit]Colonel Thomas X. Hammes on Blackwater in Iraq: “They made enemies everywhere”In late January 2005, journalist Tim Shorrock wrote on his blog about a conference “organized by the George Washington University Law School with support from the International Peace Operations Association, which represents, Blackwater, MPRI and other major contractors”. According to Shorrock [12] (http://timshorrock.blogspot.com/2005/01/contractors-arrogance-contributed-to.html):
“They made enemies everywhere,” Colonel Thomas X. Hammes, an expert on guerrilla warfare and a senior fellow at the National Defense University told [the conference]. He was referring to the tactics used by Blackwater USA, the North Carolina company that was hired by the Coalition Provisional Authority to provide security for L. Paul Bremer, the US administrator who was dispatched by the Bush administration to run Iraq in 2003.blackwater is a contributor of Todd Tiahrthttp://www.campaignmoney.com/candidate.asp?id=H4KS04087&cycle=06Prince, Erik Blackwater USA Mc Lean, VA22102 $1,000 P 03/31/2005
Useful IdiotsConservative pundit Tucker Calson spills the beans about Republican politicians’ contempt for the evangelicals:
TUCKER CARLSON: It goes deeper than that though. The deep truth is that the elites in the Republican Party have pure contempt for the evangelicals who put their party in power. Everybody in…
CHRIS MATTHEWS: How do you know that? How do you know that?
CARLSON: Because I know them. Because I grew up with them. Because I live with them. They live on my street. Because I live in Washington, and I know that everybody in our world has contempt for the evangelicals. And the evangelicals know that, and they’re beginning to learn that their own leaders sort of look askance at them and don’t share their values.
MATTHEWS: So this gay marriage issue and other issues related to the gay lifestyle are simply tools to get elected?
CARLSON: That’s exactly right. It’s pandering to the base in the most cynical way, and the base is beginning to figure it out.
What about Judy Tenuda and her religion:Judy-ism?
To politicize or legislate religion of any kind is to debase government and faith. In other words it works against what you say you want. Does that make sense?
There are examples of state mandated faiths and in these cases religion suffers. So is it acting in accordance with your faith to devalue religion? I would think not.
Blackwater easily fits definitions of a terrorist organization.
Quote of the Day:
“Barring any cataclysmic events, the struggle will yet go on for years. The passage of time will make it clear to even the more slow among us that the government is the foremost threat to the life, and liberty of the folk. The government will no doubt make today’s oppressiveness look like grade school work compared to what they have planned in the future. Meanwhile, there are those of us who continue to hope that somehow the few can do what the many have not. We are cognizant that before things get better they will certainly get worse as government shows a willingness to use ever more severe police state measures against dissidents. This changing situation makes it clear that those who oppose state repression must be prepared to alter, adapt, and modify their behavior, strategy, and tactics as circumstances warrant. Failure to consider new methods and implement them as necessary will make the government’s efforts at suppression uncomplicated. It is the duty of every patriot to make the tyrant’s life miserable. When one fails to do so he not only fails himself, but his people.” Louis Beam
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
From – http://www.billofrightsinstitute.org/Instructional/Resources/Lessons/Lessons_List.asp?action=showDetails&id=128&ref=showCatD&catId=8 :
“While Jefferson recognized religion’s civic utility as a foundation for private morality and public behavior, he felt very strongly that the state had no right to compel worship or support of a religious institution. “[T]o compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical [and] is depriving him injuriously of…natural right[s].” The Virginia Statute on Religion Freedom is still part of Virginia’s state constitution. James Madison, who steered the law through the Virginia legislature, proclaimed that its passage ‘extinguished forever the ambitious hope of making laws for the human mind.’”
Good luck to those of you who think it is in your personal or the state’s interest to try to control the human mind…
Yes Ben…if that’s what they believe, they are entitled to express it, and advocate for it. It’s a free country. That is also the reason that we have a constitution, in case that advocacy crosses the line.
Tony, you’re kinda cutting a wide swath with your comment. I have said this probably a half a dozen times here, but here goes again..; you can’t seperate beliefs and influences that come from religious sources from those that come from other sources. Whether you formed your beliefs at church, Joe’s Bar, the guys at work etc.., they are your beliefs and in this country, you are entitled to them. And you are entitled to advocate for your beliefs. This does not guarantee that there won’t be consequences to that advocacy.
So, if you are offended at my beliefs, you can say so, and vice versa. Or you can boycott my company, protest, or whatever you can arrange to do legally to influence me. But you can’t shut me up. And you shouldn’t want to.
Steven – Jefferson was a commie-lib.
You can share and practice your faith without trying to mandate it on others. That is where you cross the line from simply speaking your opinion to mandating your opinion, and that is where you become the enemy.
Just for fun:
http://i.euniverse.com/funpages/cms_content/13180/HillaryCondi_HoDown.swf
V.L.R.B!!
“[T]o compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical [and] is depriving him injuriously of…natural right[s].
Steven: Jefferson was referring to union dues, right?
out, p-mom – it is exactly that balance we need to achieve. I was once asked how I (not catholic) would feel if a woman who was helped at Gerard House (to which I contribute) converted to Cathilicism because of the love she found there. My reply is that would be wonderful if that is what she needs for her faith journey. Attraction, not compulsion. My problem is when we start having state-mandated religious observences. For example, in my public school we had mandatory readings from King James Bible and Protestant Christian prayer. I think that is wrong.
When the students do their flagpole meetup that is fine. That is voluntary. The line to not cross is state sponsorship or “establishment”
outlander,
No, he was talking about the government forcing people to support churchs with their tax money. I would bet that he would be equally opposed to forced contributions to unions, if we had the chance to ask him.
I’ve never belonged to a union, nor has anyone I am related to, that I know of. It is not possible to force someone to join a union, is it?
Steven – in some states they can force people to pay at least a portion of dues. The assumption is that all workers benefit from the negotiations.
I haven’t either Steven, but my father belonged to one for a while. My brother-in-law is aunion member now. He is a strong conservative, mainly for social policy reasons, and it grates on him that his dues are used to support socially liberal candidates. Thus my comment.
I am not anti-union. They have done enormous good for working folks in the past. They also have been enormously corrupt at times.
The only thing worse than going to church with a group of evangelicals is hanging out with a group of liberal homosexuals from West Hollywood the night before.
To be a member of a union and vote for Republicans for ANY reason is stupidity.
JR, you’re so right. Anybody who carries a lunch box to work and votes conservative is just nutz.
Having done neither jw I cannot compare. So, I will take your word for it.
“…I remember self-described “real Christians” saying that Catholics were all going to hell because they were not “real Christians”"
Ben, to be fair, I heard the same from Catholics about non-Catholics. Stupid of both? You bet.
RD – I agree 100% Stupid of both. That is why I fear “establishment” as I had when I was in public school.
So if Disney is for man-boy sex relationships, then why were the Bush supporters so wild about that Pathway to 9/11 docudrama that was produced – now listen – ABC -Disney!
If guilt by association is Brent Rozell’s mantra – then the Bush lovers are guilty as charged for loving that 9/11 docudrama.
Can’t have your cake and eat it too.
hee hee
Ksfarmgrrl wept.
Steven:
“[T]o compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical”
That sums up my feeling about my government using half my taxes to drop bombs on Iraqis that just want occupiers out of their country: sinful and tyrannical.
Enjoyed meeting you for a minute at our meeting of wild-eyed radical subversives tonight. Should have stuck around . . . I would have bought you a beer at Walt’s or someplace.
I think Friday the 13th came early. First our projector was not aligning the color properly, so I had to run all the way out to my place of employment and get another one, and then it turned out that the coffee machine was screwed up and didn’t actually perk the coffee. Worked perfectly on Tuesday.
Just ask JR’s son! hehehe
Did you see some right-winger walked out in a huff? He was sitting right behind you. I just smiled and nodded . . .
Wish he would’ve stuck around. Truth hurts apparently.
Steal from one person, it’s larceny.
Steal from a whole country, it’s “outsourcing.”
Spirit One Christian Center has sent out an e-mail inviting everyone over to the pastor’s house for a Kline fundraiser. Kline ordered the churches to get the money and votes rolling in and some aren’t even trying to hide their illegal activities anymore.
It’s about time Spirit One goes the way of Operation Rescue and loses their tax exempt status for engaging in political activities.
Capn.
I’d have attended the film again this evening if I knew Steven was gonna be there. Haven’t seen him since March. Any other bloggers make it out? (I wonder if the person who stormed out in a huff was one)
I think another meetup may be in order if anyone is interested.
Doug,
Spirit One has been flirting the line for a long time. Their billboard outfront ROUTINELY shills political views. It may INDEED be time for the IRS to have a look at them.
Capn,
Great to meet you as well.
My goodness the story of that documentary was pretty disturbing. If the guy behind me left due to the absolute horror of that DVD, I think I understand.
What absolutely encouraged me was the (guessing here) Korean war era veteran, correcting you guys by saying that we are NOT AT WAR, but rather WE ARE OCCUPYING Iraq!
There is hope here in heartland that our voters are not completely missing the truth.
Thank you so much for what you are doing.
I am putting my money and efforts into the Morrison v. Kline race. I even went to get my ex-wife a Morrison sign; I have not run an errand for her for at least 8 years. That commitment conveys my seriousness.
Doug,
Now if only you could point out the law which you think that church is in violation of.
Yes Steven, we are not “technically” at war in the sense of it being declared, but when was the last time we were at war like that?
“Spirit One has been flirting the line for a long time. Their billboard outfront ROUTINELY shills political views. It may INDEED be time for the IRS to have a look at them.”
Gee, JR, you mean like THIS one?:http://www.maggotpunks.com/headlines/2002-11-14.htm
Let’s ignore Nathan.
Rage, that is an awesome website you linked to.
Thanks, Doug! I thought you’d appreciate that.
My heart goes out to those who are currently far away. Nathan is one among many, so I’ll answer his question, although I’m sure it was rhetorical.
World War II was the last declared war. Korean Conflict, Vietnam Conflict, and both Gulf Conflicts were never declared, although they all bear the title of “war.
That’s 4 major conflicts in the past 50+ years, and no world wars. Kinda makes me wonder if WWII didn’t make a lot of people stop and think about a lot of things.
Okay, all you poli sci people, is the following true, regarding limited war powers by the president?
“Under the (War Powers) Act (of 1973), the president is required to submit a report to Congress detailing the status, scope and duration of hostilities. This HAS to happen at least once every six months. And here’s the kicker…after the submission of the report, the president has 60 days to end the hostility unless Congress has declared war, extended its authorization to continue, or is physically unable to convene.”
If so, have these steps been taken by Bush?
For not being a “real war” this Iraq thing is costing billions!
My comment on this not being a “war” in the technical sense was in response to Steven little post about a korean vet saying it is not a war, but an occupation.
Steven–
I was impressed by that comment too (even though his family seemed a little embarrassed by his passion . . . nothing wrong with that).
He’s right–the “war” was over when the Iraqi troops surrendered and disbanded.
Since then, it’s been nothing but an illegal occupation.
Meanwhile, troops like Nathan are sleeping in tents or plywood shacks while the Halliburton and KBR and CACI and Blackwater “soldiers for pay” are sleeping in air-conditioned compounds with Cadillac Escalades sitting front of them.
I hope the soldiers get a good look at that, because that’s what it means to vote Republican these days: government takes from the middle class and gives to the rich.
The CEO of Halliburton made 47 million dollars last year.
And by golly, stealing from taxpayers is hard work.
He earned every penny of it . . .
Right, Capn. Except, it was the U.S. who disbanded the army and Baathist party officials — which some experts think made (the latter especailly) the occupation more difficult.
Was your co-presenter last night CF? I regret that I did not introduce myself to him.
Nathan, the law in question is Section 501(c)(3), Internal Revenue Code, and Treasury Regulations promulgated thereunder, all of which deal with tax exempt status of an organization.
Rep. Bob Ney (R-OH) is joining Foley in rehab after pleading guilty. He doesn’t want to resign his seat because he needs the money – even after taking all those bribes.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/15748693.htm
The other guy’s name is Doug (not post-er Doug). He was chair of DFA Wichita when I joined.
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