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Quote of the Day:
“The Negroes of Africa have by nature no feeling that rises above the trifling… [Blacks transported elsewhere and set free have still not produced a single person who has] presented anything great in art or science or any other praiseworthy quality.” ~ Immanuel Kant
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Oh yeah, those dems sure are a real alternative, NOT!!!
With Hand on Heart: Pelosi Admits Israel Comes Firstby Joshua Frank”The lessons we should learn from allThe fighting in the days of oldWhen providence bestowed divineThe sanctuary purifiedLet lightning circle all you holdAnd don’t uproot the olive grove.”
- Mirah, “Jerusalem”
I think it is finally time we stood up and thanked Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the darling Democrat from the Bay Area who leads her party in the House. Pelosi’s recent speech to the Israel-American lobby AIPAC, the second largest lobby in Washington, was monumental – truly unparalleled in its candor.
Despite the fact that AIPAC was recently busted for spying on the United States, Pelosi, along with many other top bureaucrats from Washington, gushed effusions of praise on the foreign power. “There are those who contend that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is all about Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza,” Pelosi said as she rallied AIPAC loyalists. “This is absolute nonsense. In truth, the history of the conflict is not over occupation, and never has been: it is over the fundamental right of Israel to exist.”
Apparently Pelosi has never asked Palestinians what they think of Israel’s brutality. Not that she hasn’t witnessed the occupation firsthand; Pelosi is just not concerned in the least with the Palestinian resistance.
“This spring, I was in Israel as part of a congressional trip that also took us to Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and Iraq,” said Pelosi. “One of the most powerful experiences was taking a helicopter toward Gaza, over the path of the security fence. We set down in a field that belonged to a local kibbutz. It was a cool but sunny day, and the field was starting to bloom with mustard. Mustard is a crop that grows in California, and it felt at that moment as if I were home. And then we were told that the reason we had to land in that field, as opposed to our actual destination, was because there had been an infiltration that morning, and they weren’t sure how secure the area was. And that point alone brought us back to the daily reality of Israel: even moments of peace and beauty are haunted by the specter of violence.”
Pelosi, like so many other Democrats and Republicans in D.C., does not appreciate the asymmetry of the conflict. She cannot understand that Palestinians are faced with violence every day as their livelihoods and homes are uprooted to make way for new Israeli settlements. Never mind that the farm collective where Pelosi landed in her fancy helicopter was at one time operated by Palestinian farmers. For the land, according to Pelosi, has always belonged to the state of Israel.
“One thing, however is unchanged,” Pelosi added. “America’s commitment to the safety and security of the state of Israel is unwavering. America and Israel share an unbreakable bond: in peace and war; and in prosperity and in hardship.”
Sadly, Palestinians don’t figure into Pelosi’s lopsided equation; those darn Arabs just don’t matter. And when Pelosi speaks of “safety and security,” it’s only Israelis she’s talking about. While Pelosi ignored Israel’s vast arsenal of chemical, biological, and nuclear weaponry, along with the numerous UN resolutions the country has broken, she still had the audacity to lash out at the latest troublemaker in the Middle East: Iran.
“The greatest threat to Israel’s right to exist, with the prospect of devastating violence, now comes from Iran. For too long, leaders of both political parties in the United States have not done nearly enough to confront the Russians and the Chinese, who have supplied Iran as it has plowed ahead with its nuclear and missile technology.”
So, three cheers for Pelosi! Her honesty has been crudely insightful. Especially given the fact that two AIPAC staffers have just been indicted for espionage by the U.S. government.http://www.antiwar.com/orig/jfrank.php?articleid=6157
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!—–
My view hasn’t changed (2nd part of the post):http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/04/leaker_in_chief.html#comment-15932856
Is it agreed then? All in favor of Paul Morrison for Kansas A.G., say aye!
Next order of business … how can we get rid of Gov. Sebelius and get Kansas back on track economically?
AMERICA HELD HOSTAGE:DAY 2105
Presidency held hostage:817 Days left.
Congress held hostage:72 Days left.
HAVE A NICE DAY.
How are the politicians going to stop this? These are just I.T. jobs.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12745020
U.S. companies have been sending jobs overseas for years — 130,000 already in 2006, according to Forrester Research, which analyzes the technology market. It projects that the number will rise to more than 3.5 million by 2015.
The observation I made in my parody of future recesses at schools, is the future of America. We are lacking in the education of American children, in the higher industrial arts and sciences. This country has moved from the manufacturing of goods to a service and consumer work force. Another observation I had made years ago, was the C.E.O. of Boeing could spend his days moving piles of paper from one side of his desk to the other. Examine pie charts, graphs and reports from sun up to sun down. And not make one dine for the company, it was the guy that put the ribits in the right hand wing, the woman that ran the wiring in the cabin, the person that install the seat mountings in the passenger compartment. That made the money for Boeing, it is what they sale that make the revue not those that set in an office.
Likewise to become a nation of consumers means we have no means of generating wealth. To only spend without making that which to spend is to deplete the means to spend. As much as I like art, this country will not survive with a flood of liberal arts majors. The rest of the world is taking up the slack in our losing of science and technology. It is getting harder to find a Doctor that is not from another country. General aviation is using more and more people from countries like Japan and India for engineering.
If this is not turned around there could be a implosion in America.
EAGLE EDITORS
I ask again. Where are you?
Todd Tiahrt will not debate his democratic challenger. Todd Tiahrt has not answered as to just how much he knew about his former colleague the child solicitor Mark Foley.A thread is called for to discuss this.
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/wm31_democrats/morenews/040322_currenttaxrulesincentives.html
CURRENT INTERNATIONAL TAX RULES PROVIDE INCENTIVES FOR MOVING JOBS OFFSHOREDear Democratic Colleague:Since President Bush took office in January, 2001, we have experienced a net loss of 2.2 million jobs. We do not know how many of those jobs were lost due to companies moving operations offshore. On average, economists estimate that 690,000 jobs have been lost since 2001 because companies have moved operations overseas. Those estimates are conservative because they only take into account direct job losses. They do not take into account indirect losses sustained by small and medium sized businesses that were suppliers to the large companies that moved operations offshore. Also, they do not take into account the new jobs that were created offshore rather than in the United States.—–
.morg – IT jobs are not important – at least not in Sedgeick County. If they were they would be included in the “approved” job training they plan at their new multi-million training center.
Nathan tells us we should listen to experience miliatry men on Iraq. So …
U.S. generals call for Democratic takeoverDisgusted with the leadership of the Iraq war, two retired generals say the GOP must go. Plus: More than 100 current military personnel join a campaign to get the U.S. out of Iraq — now.
By Mark Benjamin
Maj. Gen. John Batiste in Tikrit, Iraq, March 16, 2004, and Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton in Baghdad, July 9, 2003.
Oct. 25, 2006 | WASHINGTON — Two retired senior Army generals, who served in Iraq and previously voted Republican, are now openly endorsing a Democratic takeover of Congress. The generals, and an active-duty senior military official, told Salon in separate interviews that they believe a Democratic victory will help reverse course from what they consider to be a disastrous Bush administration policy in Iraq. The two retired generals, Maj. Gen. John Batiste and Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, first openly criticized the handling of the war last spring, when they called for the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
“The best thing that can happen right now is for one or both of our houses to go Democratic so we can have some oversight,” Batiste, who led the Army’s 1st Infantry Division in Iraq in 2004 and 2005, told Salon. Batiste describes himself as a “lifelong Republican.” But now, he said, “It is time for a change.”
Eaton, who was in charge of training the Iraqi military from 2003 to 2004, agrees that Democratic control of Congress could be the best way to wrest control from the Bush administration and steer the United States away from a gravely flawed strategy in Iraq. “The way out that I see is to hand the House and the Senate to the Democrats and get this thing turned around,” Eaton explained, adding that such sentiment is growing among retired and active-duty military leaders. “Most of us see two more years of the same if the Republicans stay in power,” he said. He also noted, “You could not have tortured me enough to vote for Mr. Kerry or Mr. Gore, but I’m not at all thrilled with who I did vote for.”
An active-duty senior military official who also served in Iraq said that, among a surprising number of his otherwise “very conservative” colleagues, there is hope that Democrats will gain control of Congress. “I will tell you, in the circles I talk to, the only way to enable or enact change is to change the leadership,” he said
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/25/us-generals-who-served-in-iraq-say-they-are-voting-for-democrats/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.salon.com%2Fnews%2Ffeature%2F2006%2F10%2F25%2Fgenerals%2F&frame=true
From Opinion Line Extra:
“Do I have this right? The man who is on record for saying it’s legally OK for a teenage girl to give oral sex but not to receive it is denouncing a guy who allegedly showed interest in a grown woman? What is wrong with this picture?”
Great commentary on Kline!
I think you can Clinton in on this one.
Two-thirds to three fourths of our foreign aid goes to Israel, and I wonder what we get in return? Stability in the Middle East — no not that? Help in the war in Iraq / Terroe ? Haven’t seen much if anything of that. Does Israel have the right to exist — absolutely — does it have the right (as a democracy) to violate the Human Rights of any of it’s citizens / residents? Absolutely not.
I am not an anti – Semite, I object to the nation of Israel spying on the US, selling our nuclear technolgy / secrets to Red China. As a nation they choose to isolate those that have as much right to be in the region as they do. They have a right and obligation to defend itself.
JR
The Foley thing is almost a non issue. Better questions of TT are where has your leadership been in advocating for alternative energy sources that could only help Kansas and the nation? What exactly has he done to spur economic development for Kansas and the Nation? Why have you voted 4 times to NOT have a congressional investigation into the waste, fraud and abuse of Iraq contactors – Halliburton – KBR -CaCI and others? Why when you (TT) by your silence approved Congressional wage increases yet have voted repeatedly against increasing the Federal Minimum Wage? What exactly is the nature of your relationship with the indicted Tom DeLay and imprisoned Jack Abramoff? Basically what have you really done in 12 years to show that Kansans are better off (well except for yourself)? What have you led the drive on or for? A letter outlining 9 points for economic developement is not leading, it’s letter writing.
Meanwhile, with US encouragement, Israel continues to violate the Lebanon cease-fire daily. Yesterday they fired on German ships patrolling inside Lebanese waters (reported on BBC last night). And, of course, we/they continue to refuse to provide coordinates to de-mining teams trying to clear south Lebanon of a million cluster bombs and land mines.
Joe Williams,
Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo has your number on the whole ‘race’ thing, given the overt displays of GOP racism in the Senate race in Tennessee between Harold Ford and Bob Corker. The Republicans may not all be racists, but damn straight that they USE racism every chance they get.
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“In an otherwise solid run-down of the Republicans’ Jungle Fever campaign against Harold Ford, Robin Toner has this passage …
‘The furor puts Mr. Mehlman in a difficult position. He has spent considerable time as the national chairman preaching the inclusiveness of the Republican Party and its openness to black candidates and black voters. He said in an interview Wednesday night that he did not believe that this would damage his Republican outreach efforts.Officials with the Republican independent expenditure committee, who include longtime allies of the Bush political circle, did not respond to requests for comment.’
Please. It’s not a difficult position, just a revealing one.
Like many in his position, on this issue Mehlman is a hypocrite and a liar. I doubt whether he has any strong racist dispositions himself on a personal level. It’s just a tool he uses.
Again, let’s be honest with ourselves. Racism is one of the key building blocks of Republican politics in the United States. Don’t look at me with a straight face and tell me you don’t realize that’s true. That doesn’t mean that all Republicans are racists. Far from it. It doesn’t mean that a lot of Republicans don’t wish the stain wasn’t part of their party’s recent political heritage. They do. But racism and race-baiting is the hold card Republicans take into every election. When times are good, guys like Mehlman ‘reach out’ to blacks and Latinos to try to take the edge off their opposition to the Republican officeholders. But when things get rough the card gets played. And pretty much every time.
This isn’t surprising. It’s expected.
For years on this site I’ve been saying that Democrats need to learn the meta-message behind Republican attack ads, especially on issues like terrorism and national security. Begging the refs to throw a flag in response to a vicious ad only telegraphs the message of weakness that was the aim of the attack in the first place. And in recent days not a few of you have written in to say, ‘Josh, you always say Dems should not complain but hit back. So why are you turning the sites over to complaining full time about the Tennessee ads against Ford?’
It’s a good question. And there’s certainly a tension there, if not an outright contradiction. But here’s my response.
I see the two cases as fundamentally dissimilar. When it comes to GOP race-baiting, calling them out, revealing them for who they are and what is they do, is fighting back. It’s that simple. The dynamics of the issues are fundamentally different.
There are different visions in this country. There’s one which for all its faults and shortcomings aspires to a national unity that transcends our many differences of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. and an equal share of dignity for all of us. Then there’s the school of division and demonization. (Take a look at the ads GOP campaigns are running across the country. The issue of the day is keeping out the Mexicans.) That’s the Ken Mehlman school, the tradition of Willie Horton ads and Jungle Music pasted over Harold Ford because these guys are afraid they may be about to lose an open seat in Tennessee, where they haven’t sent a Democrat to the senate for almost two decades. It must be a reality that Mehlman appreciates with some measure of inner tension or conflict since gays have been the whipping boys of choice through much of the Bush years even as he himself has been, successively, White House political director, Bush Campaign Manager and head of the RNC. But then we all make our beds.
The point is that as vile as this race-hucksterism is, for my part I welcome the opportunity that Republican desperation provides, to show these guys for who they really are. Scratch the surface of ‘outreach’ Mehlman and he’s a Southern strategy man after all. So, fine, bring it on. Cut away the veil and the mask. Let everyone come out from under their rock and be who they really are.
Let them lose their majorities and their souls.”
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com
I love the fact that Mehlman claimed that the ad was NOT sponsored by the RNC. Then, when he was proven to be a liar, he said it had “run its course” and was being discontinued. However, he even lied about THAT – it is still being run, sponsored by the RNC.
Ben Huie,
Indeed. It all depends on the definition of the word ‘is.’
Admit it, Repubicans: the “leadership” of your party will say anything to win an election or to evade responsibilty.
“Our strategy was never ’stay the course.’” Sound familiar?
Just an observation–even the right doesn’t like what paulfrossel represents here.
Some rantings on energy conservations: Clothes line vs. dryer. Sure, some covenant communities would frown on this property value-lowering measure. But hey, free solar energy…
Ian, read about George Washington Carver.
Tanking Todd was reputed to have commented to a collegue about Foley, “Promise him anything, but give him our Page!”
We’ll take Auntieif you’ll take Uncle Tom.
well said
Anybody else think Dad is another Ian, or the same one?
I wonder how Mid West Lighting feels about their racist boy kevin?(aclu dad)We could all call and find out.
Oh well. Ya’ can’t fix stew-pud.
So, CF equates border security and immigration enforcment with WAAYCISM!!! Who would have thunk it?
I propose a blog drinking game: line up a few shot of your favorite alcoholic beverage and suck one back whwnever CF uses the word “racist” or “fascist” in one of his posts!
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Ian is Ian but Ian is better spoken then this Dad clod.
Hey “Dad” your email will not be good for that business. You’d be wise to think on that. If it ISN’t your real email you better REALLY think on that.
Yeah you’re right JR.Ian is a much better racist than ol’ kevin from cali.I think I’ll give kevin’s boss a call anyway.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dumping24oct24,0,372528.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Police allege 5 patients were dumped on skid row by hospitalRichard Winton and Cara Mia DiMassa, Times Staff WritersOctober 24, 2006
The LAPD says it has opened its first criminal investigation into the dumping of homeless people on skid row after documenting five cases in which ambulances dropped off patients there Sunday. Police said the patients, who had been discharged from a Los Angeles hospital, told them they did not want to be taken downtown.
Los Angeles Police Department officials, who photographed and videotaped the five alleged dumping cases, called it a major break in their yearlong effort to reduce the number of people left on skid row by hospitals, police departments and other institutions
Just notice, the hottest threads here have something to do with people named “Fox.” First it’s Terry, and now it’s Michael J.
Energy news. Fusion a little closer?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/10/061025184239.htm
Ian Santiago,
As the token WeBlog racist (glug!), you’re diversity boy around these parts. Don’t ever forget it–I know I’LL never let you forget it.
But at least you’re not a fascist (glug!).
Viva La Raza Mesitzo!
More than Foley acting “inappropriately”?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/trandahl_names_.html
Interesting heckler. Also shows why government needs to fund such basic research.
Ben
I don’t have a problem with government funding of certain research. I just want it spent with focus on things that have a reasonable probability of a positive result. I guess it comes down to the wisdom and knowledge of the people steering where the money goes.
Now found; letter from Lincoln on the original 13th amendment, sometimes referred to as the “ghost amendment”.
http://www.wral.com/news/10159614/detail.html?subid=22100762&qs=1;bp=t
“reasonable probability of a positive result.”
There are many who would claim that fusion lacks that; therefore it should not be funded. I disagree with them.
Garth Mc Ginn TV ads won’t be seen in Wichita – the tv ads on his web page are going to the surrounding counties — reminiscent of the Glickman ads of the 70’s / 80’s — no mud slinging — take a look and forward to your Wichita friends who will be voting.
http://www.daretwocare.us/press.html
Virtual placement will eliminate the need of conventional transportation as we know of it today.
Imagine your image with all senses being artificially reproduced being sent anywhere in the world.
Interaction will seem real as well as the actual ingestion of food.
It will give a whole new meaning to reach out and touch someone.
Agriculture and feeding the hungry will take on new perspective as ‘beamed’ human images can be pre-loaded with artificially enhanced instructions on crop growing and monitoring.
Future wars will involve shutting down networks and infecting other cultures with Macro Virus warriors.
Wait… or was that a movie I saw…
A chilling possible “change in course” in Iraq I had considered but rejected as not possible: ramp up military action, by increased air and naval bombardments, combined with increased troops (from where?):
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/10/bush-followers-demand-escalation-in.html
From the above (sorry the link’s not live, but there’s a server error which prevented me from giving a live link), sounds like this may be under strong consideration. The influence of Dr. Kissinger, perhaps? (1972 bombing attacks on North Vietnam, for example)
GMC, CF–
Here’s an interesting article I saw at salon.com a few years ago, “Who is a fascist?”
http://dir.salon.com/story/books/feature/2004/04/19/fascism/index.html
April 19, 2004 | “Fascism”: No word has been used more freely by people who have so little idea what it means — and that includes “postmodernism.” “Fascist!” was for years the preferred epithet hurled at anyone engaged in authoritarian behavior, racial stereotyping or even certain kinds of design.
. . .
Robert O. Paxton, a former professor of social sciences at Columbia University and longtime historian of the political movement, sets out to formulate a working definition in his new book, “The Anatomy of Fascism.” According to Paxton, there have only been two true fascist regimes, Nazi Germany and Italy under Mussolini, the man who gave fascism its name. And some of what you think you know about them is wrong.
Paxton argues that most theories about fascism focus on what the leaders of “the major political innovation of the 20th century” said or wrote, rather than on what they actually did. Big difference. For example, in their early stages (and most fascist movements never make it out of those early stages), fascist leaders and thinkers attacked “international finance capitalists” and the “soft” bourgeoisie, promising to defend the rights of workers, artisans and peasants. Once in power, if they got that far, they jettisoned such plans, except for a few strategic concessions.
“The Anatomy of Fascism” takes readers step by step through the budding, flowering and withering of these two nightmare states, in the process comparing them with other less successful efforts to set up similar governments in Spain, France and some non-European nations. Only at the end does Paxton reveal what he’s settled on as an acceptable definition. Here it is:
“… a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.”
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I agree with Paxton’s definition, but I disagree that only Nazi Germany and Blackshirt Italy were fascist. Red China during the “Cultural Revolution” was clearly a fascist state, with its mass “demonstrations” of weeping Chinese holding aloft Mao’s little red book . . .
The re-writing of history to “we were stabbed in the back by liberals” during Vietnam and the compensatory cult of “national unity” (neo-cons) sure resonates with what is happening these days.
Anyone who criticises Bush is “a traitor,” (just look at Ann Coulter’s book by the name of “Treason!”); anyone who believes in The Bill of Rights is “soft on terrorism,” “wants the terrorists to win,” and “hates America.”
Explain to me how that isn’t a kind of fascism?
From the link:
“For months, the standard neoconservative complaint has been that their Great War was failing because it wasn’t being prosecuted with enough violence, enough force, enough troops, enough killing. If only we would step up and act like we want to win, things would be great there.
This seems a critically important issue to note. Escalation of this war — not a draw-down of it — will become the new strategy after the election. There are simply no other choices. What we are doing now simply isn’t working, so much so that not even the White House bothers to deny that any more. At the same time, the President yesterday made expressly clear what has been obvious for some time — we aren’t leaving Iraq. And we don’t have nearly enough additional troops to make a meaningful difference in the troop strength we have there or to enable new strategies by increasing our military presence.
What other real option is there for trying to change the course of the war there other than to try to bomb and kill our way to “victory”?”
In other words: we invaded that country, now we must exterminate any who want freedom and subjugate the rest to our rule.
Ben, I see you were able to use the link. Thank you for posting the relevant portion of the article.
Eagle
How about a thread on the important 4th congressional district race between democratic challenger Garth McGinn and the man who currently holds that office? I THINK his name is Todd or something. It’s kinda hard to remember because he doesn’t come home to see his constituents.
I advance voted today at the old County Courthouse. I liked the touch screen machines. I noted that these machines had a paper backup.
Why won’t Tiahrt debate McGinn? He debated Kinard at least once in 2004. What is the deal with this?
You have to ask? As his supporters here pointed out he has everything to lose and nothing to gain by debating. I think Tankerless Todd knows that.
Here is a statement from Garth McGinn, democratic cadidate for the 4th U.S. congressional district. It comes `from his website. Good words!
Hello Fellow Kansan,Due to the enormity of unsolved problems we’re facing, people absolutely want and deserve change. Oh rest assured those in power will give these problems plenty of lip service especially in an election year but action is what I demand and on that their record is clear. They govern solely on fear and divisiveness and when they actually bother to do something we get the ridiculous drug plan, the energy plan, and the highway plan that are all mired in $1000 per plate corruption while dumping four trillion dollars more debt on the backs of our kids and grandkids in order to hand out the largest tax cut in American history during a time of war – 2/3 of which went to 2% of the American people.The problem is, until we elect enough people in Washington willing to fundamentally change the system, the corrupt system that we have to compete in is almost solely about money. That being given, how can those of us demanding change effect change when those in power hold a couple orders of magnitude more in their campaign purses than we do?The fundamental idea behind daretwocare is that maybe you don’t personally have much money to give but I bet you know two people that do. Maybe you don’t personally have a lot of time to volunteer but I bet you know two people that do. Maybe you always vote in every election but I bet you know two people that don’t, don’t always vote, or are a negotiable vote. These two people aren’t strangers you have to harass on the phone or go door to door to find. Since 50% of the people in this country don’t participate in our democracy, these are two people just within your inner circle of family and friends. If you want and demand change, you’re going to have to pledge to this effort those two people and ask them to do the same. That is a task that I know everyone I reach in this campaign can easily do and when you look at the almost exponential manner in which daretwocare can grow, you’d be surprised how much difference something this simple can make.Lastly, “.us”, besides being a legal internet domain name extension, simply means that this is afterall “about us.” It’s been “about the wealthy and powerful few” for far too long in this country. It’s high time the conversation in this country became more “about us” because getting this nation out of the trouble it’s in begins “with you and me” . . .. . . two donations, two volunteers, two votes at a time!GarthGet involved ============== Get informed ============== DareTwoCare =============== Vote
OK Ben, but Tiahrt was in the same position in 2004 and still decided to debate Kinard. I heard the debate on KMUW and I thought that Tiahrt did surprisingly well and that Kinard did surprisingly poorly.
I have to wonder if Tiahrt is shying away this year because he sees himself as being more vulnerable to any problems that might come up.
Steven – BINGO! 2004 Bush was still running reasonably strong; 2006 the opposite. Also, the whole Boeing thing works against their former employee.
“Gee, where are all those tanker jobs anyway?” Even if Boeing gets them they won’t be in Wichita.
BLIND FAITH IN BAD LEADERSHIP IS NOT PATRIOTISM
Ben,You need to run again.
He’s ready,Don’t wait,Ben Huie in ‘08.
Actually, I heard on NPR that there these signs all over D.C., except Obama’s name is substituted for Ben’s.
He debated Jim Lawing 3 times. The last one, sponsored by the League of Women Voters, he was a no show. Jim was better than Todd. Probably explains the no show.
Everyone says that encumbents don’t have to debate. But Phil Kline did…several times. Kathleen has too.
Turn on cspan any evening and encumbents all over the country, are debating.
Why is there no local pressure, especially with the mess this country is in. With the financial mess the middle class is facing. Why on earth is there no pressure being placed on Tiahrt to debate not once but 3 times.
cin,Good questions. I agree.