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See the mailing yourself:
Snoop Dog Political Hit Mailing by Kansans for Consumer Privacy Protectionhttp://www.kansasmeadowlark.com/2006/10-23/SnoopDog.htm
Topeka Capital Journal Corrects the Errors in the Mailing But Misses Real Story:http://cjonline.com/stories/102406/leg_kbi.shtml
Where’s the story about how this unregistered PAC is spending money to send out a political hit piece?
Where’s the story about how this has similarities to ProKanDo’s political modus operandi in 2002 and 2004?
Where’s the humane society?Meadow’s beating a dead horse again!
The article you ran this morning on “challenger” Benny Boman doesn’t say what he’s running for.
I entered another well informed comment OPPOSING THE PROPOSED WHITE ELEPHANT DOWNTOWN ARENA on the thread below entitled, “Still no headliner for arena opening.” I notice MRage has followed it up with his uninformed reply which does contain a good idea that Park City assume ownership of the beautiful historic Kansas Coliseum.
Hope you will scroll down, read and comment on the issue.
AMERICA HELD HOSTAGE:DAY 2104
Presidency held hostage:818 Days left.Congress held hostage:73 Days left.
Beautiful historic Kansas Coliseum?
That’s the best laugh I had this morning.
There’s no place like home….There’s no place like home….There’s no place like home….
Meadowpoop doesn’t have anything good that the repugs have done to report on, so….post some silly crap that nobody cares about.
Just heard this morning that the City hasn’t even put the Kellogg/Roch interchange out for bid yet. I thought that was all underway already.
Today’s Bushism : “One year ago today, the time for excuse-making has come to an end.”
Washington, D.C. 1/8/03
Can’t argue with this flawless logic!
Four more American soldiers died in Iraq yesterday and the Beagle (dog of a paper that it is) doesn’t mention it. It rarely puts news of the war — good (rare as it is) or bad on the front page – opting for features on decorative dental dentures, news about Olathe’s growth etc … — for forty years it has been the voice of mediocrity and special business interests – I know they won’t miss me — but I can’t justify renewing my subscription this week — I’ll moss them less. I can get what I need on line.
Ben! The Kellogg/Rock and Kellogg/Amour will be up for bid starting Nov 3 to Nov 7.
All the engineering has already been done. They don’t really release the proposals for the bids for construction until a month before the bids can start.
All the hard parts have been done. Engineering, right-of-ways, utility routing, and etc.
Here is just an example of a portion of the project.
http://www.wichita.gov/NR/rdonlyres/F9BA6D87-1B31-47EC-B544-DD5F2B6539CD/0/47284457_Adv_101106.pdf
Ken,
I think they are getting desperate for subscribers. I dropped my subscription last year and I’ve been getting calls on a regular basis.
Last month I finally gave in and asked them to send me a subscription renewal. Then, right on time to save me, Randy wrote an incredibly inane editorial the day it came and I couldn’t bring myself to pay for the paper again.
Hank
Perhaps they will find Wooly Mammoth remains.
Out of curiosity, has anyone ever done a historical map overlay for the City of Wichita? I mean, like where the old railways were, where houses, businesses where. Seems to me as young as Wichita is in terms of years, it would be a large project.
It might give the city a sense of history as well.
Talk to Craig Miner at WSU. He either has or knows were to find that sort of information.
Buy his books too, they’re worth it.
JM,
One thing I did a few years ago was start in the ’40s and compare Wichita to KC, Omaha, Tulsa, OKC and Denver as far as bypasses and interstates go.
Interesting. It points out the complete lack of planning and foresight our city fathers have had and continue to have as far as traffic goes. Wichita has suffered because Wichita has failed to work with the state and feds in developeing our highway systems.
OKC and KC can attribute a lot of their growth and prosperity to their ability to develope the bypasses.
Hank
It becomes hard to believe that the U.S. is really interested in democracy in Iraq if the Prime Minister isn’t consulted before Iraq troops are used to lead an action (presuming, of course, the PM isn’t doing political posturing):
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/25/iraq/main2122118.shtml
Hank I’m with you there. The city always seems to play catch up and never look towards the future very much. With the exception of the downtown arena (but again should have been there in the first place).
Another disappointment is that the city will scale down the new airport terminal. I understand that money is tight and they don’t think an extra $30 million for a second level ramp and drop off is worth it. When this will be our airport in for the next 50+ years. They should know that our population will most likely more than double or triple by that time, yet we will be stuck with the same old design accomidations we have now.
They should invest it now. The extra $30 million will pay off in the long run.
Hoo boy can’t wait for the transcript on this one.
p(resident) moron is having a press conference. Among his usual “Be scared!” and “Tax cuts for the wealthy help working people!” bush just tried to make 500+ 500 =2000.What an idiot.
Joe Williams–
Are you going to pay up or not?
In other words, are you a man of your word or not?
JWink,
The Coliseum will never be a historic building. Notice Yankee Stadium is going to be replaced! St. Louis, third version of Busch Stadium.
It’s going to be rubble. But you folks out in Park City can BUY the property and redevelop it. That’s your “downtown”! Those northern county cities beacon of economic development, right there!
Park City Convention Center in the Coliseum spot. If Phil Ruffin moves Greyhound Park or closes it, an incredible bowling alley building location, you desire.
Leave us to our downtown redevelopment desires with many storm drains as we like! Replacing the Coliseum, its worth THE EFFORT, because to individuals cost of the tax isn’t prohibitive.
We can argue parking and potential events constantly, that’s legitimate. Those from other county cities can hate driving downtown more often, that’s okay, but its more necessary in the future. County folk must get used to it.
Hank, you’re absolutely spot on about the city highway planners. All that Kellogg work should have already been done when I came to Wichita in 1968. It was in OKC and TUL. Today, you start running into work on Kansas City streets, highways, etc., miles before you get to Kansas City. These folks are urban and know how to plan. Wichita’s good old boy network has really held us back.
Don’t get me started on Wichita’s traffic engineering….
Joe Williams?
Wichita will double or triple in population the next 50 years?
Only if you and Mrage are as prolific as you are pollyanna.
The problem is that when the state builds a bypass, there goal is to ‘bypass’!
They are trying to route traffic around congestion. It’s up to the city to request (and pay for) the access ramps. That’s why 235 at Central is so screwed up. That’s why K-42 dumps into town and ends up at a residential stop sign at Maple. That’s why the best way to get on Kellogg from Town West is to go through the K-Mart parking lot. That’s why … well you get the idea.
No planning. And now these fools are puting in an arena downtown.
Hank
“Joe Williams?”Wichita will double or triple in population the next 50 years?
“Only if you and Mrage are as prolific as you are pollyanna.”
JR,Such a prolific distribution of Joe Williams’ (the welsher) genetic material is a very disturbing thought. I request your apology for even fantasizing about such a thing.
The proposed NW bypass isn’t scheduled to be complete until 2037. No typo that’s 30 years from now. The state and county have no funding available. They are attempting to buy properties a little at a time but won’t use them for 30 years. How’s that for planning ahead. (yes that last bit was sarcasm)
Hey Julie,
Traffic will be backed up to Kingman before they get it done!
Hank
Methinks the NW bypass project would be unnecessary, if there had been proper planning to avoid the urban sprawl, contributing to the traffic congestion the bypass is designed to “cure”.
Steven,
I wasn’t advocating for Joe to be fruitful and multiply! (I’m not sure he can even add.)
I was just trying to figure out how he was gonna double or triple doodahs population in 50 years.
Planning? We don’t need no stinking planning.
I lived near Colwich Road as a child and driving from Kellogg to Maize, then over to Colwich was natural with friends out there. A straight road, long stretches without traffic lights.
NW bypass will be worthwhile as housing increasing out that way. If on Kellogg, need to travel north faster on the NW bypass, it will be possible.
It happens on the east side, so it will on the west side.
Kellogg stop lights were terrible downtown, the fly overs are much better today!
Cost of tearing down Kmart for better access to the Kellogg access ramp, Hank?
You would approve that cost? Kmart was there first! Having to weave around Kmart is okay. I don’t use the parking lot. There are two roads either side!
The airport costs don’t have to be so high, improving it! Will it lower prices for flights? I want to be in and out, never linger in the airport! It doesn’t impress me!
Growth of Wichita in the future,building event facilities has to be a process.
10,000 in Koch arena, it gets filled for WSU basketball games.
The downtown arena, 15,000 to 18,000 seats, one day an event downtown will have full capacity. Then Wichitans will get use to it.
I want to build a 20,000 seat stadium downtown for high school sports. Again, filling for events more than once a year could happen. Wichitans get used to it. River Festival programs or concerts in the stadium.
To bring back WSU football, Wichitans in 30,000 plus numbers have been going to more concerts in Cessna Stadium.
We have had festivals of concerts with multiple headliner bands to really peak interest. The Eagles and Eric Clapton. Prince and Madonna.
When a regional event facility is constructed over time, the realization bigger event are possible in Wichita could happen will fill minds.
Can Wichita as a city be good enough to attract the Big 12 Championship football game as an event in the new, 50,000 seat stadium.
Nebraska vs Oklahoma right in the middle between those two states. Any time KSU or KU ever play in the Big 12 Championship games and it happens in the borders of Kansas.
When WSU plays KSU and KU, not every year but one of them every other year, home and away. It should first games of the season.
Wichita has to have a better variety of hotels, things to do. The roads have to be accessible for increased traffic. College football people really road trip in vehicles.
Airport comfortable and cheap enough flights, increased traffic.
Catching a bus or taxi, more natural. Wichita has fixed its mass transportaion problems.
If outsiders can come to town and fill our facility, its natural for county people to do as well, just to watch WSU football against “recognizable name college” for home games.
When Oklahoma State plays WSU here. When Marshall comes to town ( WSU and Marshall both lost teams to plane crashes.) WSU will play a variety of teams, having an independent schedule.
We could throw our own “Bowl Game” near Christmas because we have the distinct facility to do it, no matter the cold weather potentionally.
Wichita is growing and expanding in its borders, we have to incremently build the facilities for more seats and hope for mass community participation over time. Train the community how to gather has to happen.
We have enough people in this County for these projects! Wichita is the most visited city in Kansas. A lot of people want to live here.
A lot want to leave too, but they tend to come back. Cost of living and enough straight roads, makes Wichita a decent place.
Getting in and out of here to travel is costly by airplane and slow for long miles on the highways.
We have to really consider a bullet train to Oklahoma City. From here, cut across Missouri to St. Louis.
I don’t need KC like some people do. But a bullet train in that direction would be okay. To the Colorado border. If Wichita had that ability for mass fast travel, this would be a fantastic place to live.
It’s going to take Hundreds of Millions in project costs and 40 years of time to do these things.
http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Ldebtclock.htm
collection of facts and figures about the debt cost of war ect.
Senator Frist provides his sage advice to Republican candidates: Don’t talk about Iraq.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/15844849.htm
“Liberal media,” eh? Here’s ABC’s Mark Halperin waxing eloquent on the need to mollify conservatives.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/25/halperin-media-liberal/
At least the BBC in Britain have come clean about their leftist, anti-White, anti-Christian bias. It is time for “our” print and electronic media, including the Eagle, to come clean regarding those ver same biases! Of course, I won’t holding my breath waiting for that day to come.
Posted: October 23, 20065:00 p.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
An internal British Broadcasting Corporation memo reveals senior figures admitted the national news agency was guilty of promoting left-wing views and anti-Christian sentiment.
News of the memo, reported by British media, comes as the BBC continues to struggle against claims of biased reporting on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and distorted coverage of the global fight against terror, reports the Israeli YnetNews.com.
The admissions of bias were made at a recent “impartiality” summit the BBC held. Most executives admitted the corporation’s representation of homosexuals and ethnic minorities was unbalanced and disproportionate, YnetNews.com said. The British news agency, the report said, leaned too strongly towards political correctness, the overt promotion of multiculturalism, anti-Americanism and discrimination against the countryside.
(Story continues below)http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52574
Viva la Revolucion Blanco!!!
Actually Juile, you’re wrong. The NW Bypass will start to be built around 2009-20010.
I have no idea where you got 2037. If you are talking about our 30 year transportation plan, yes it includes the NW Bypass, but it includes a SW Bypass connecting Far West Kellogg around to Haysville and onto Derby.
The only reason why there is no funding for the NW Bypass project at the moment (other than study, planing, engineering, and purchasing right-of-ways), is because the State of Kansas initiates transportation funding for major projects only once a decade. Normally know as the 10 year transportation plan.
We are still in the current ten year plan that was intiated in the late 1990’s. That funding plan is set to expire in 2009. KDOT has already slated the NW Bypass for the next 10 year plan.
The Beagle — anti Christian bias? – It has a Faith section — and the only faith it promotes are Christians — when will they have an agnostics page ?
When will they come to grips with the fact we are in a war? The almost 9 trillion dollar national debt that now is going to cost ebery man woman and child over 28,000 if stops growing now?
Read`the Beagle and everything is just peachy keen in the land of Oz — I wonder what the collective sound of 300,000 people putting there heads in the sand is like — cheers at a nearly empty arena?
The 5 million we are giving Air Trans has provided what — look in the Sunday paper travel section for lowest cost air fares from Wichita Air Trans is rarely on the list even to the only market they serve from here — that sound you here is the state county and city picking your pocket …. where’s my gun?
My spelling was horrible — get over it
*SIGH*! For the dumb trolling leftist on here who have nothing better to do but sit at home and have nothing of substantive to say. Use the internet! Do research! Do you understand?
Just check out how much Wichita has grown in the last 50 years. It basically doubled. If you take the metro area, even more.Project it towards the future.
Joe,
If we don’t get some strong, reliable businesses in here, growth won’t be as big.
If Wichita population has doubled in the past 50 years, where are all the people coming from who are moving to smaller communities? Oh, that’s right, Derby. ;)
The latest post on “The Sandbox” referred to by me in the recent past. GMC, I think that poetry might be in capable hands in the future as well.
http://gocomics.typepad.com/the_sandbox/2006/10/haiku.html
I see dumb trolling Joe Williams showed up with his usual drivel.
Much of Wichita’s population “growth” has come by annexing already existing people’s neighborhoods into the city limits. I would be more interested in seeing the change in population of Sedgwick County.
On a larger scale KS has lagged in growth as its number of Congressmen has dropped from 6 to 4.
I get the unmistakable feeling that Joe Williams has avoided his debts on more than one occasion in the past.
His unflappable obliviousness reminds me of his hero, W.
China’s trade surplus for 06 expected to hit 150 to 160 bil., already more the first 9 months, than in 05. Looks good to a debtor nation like the U.S.
As someone who’s neighorhood was annexed by Wichita, it was great!
We had sandy well water, numerous attempts tapping and septic pond for the neighborhood.
Access to better water source and sewer hookup, improved the homes. Improved lives.
I’m not focused on future growth in the County, we just have to participate better as a group that already exists today.
New neighorhoods and malls keep growing within Wichita’s borders faster than annexation is occuring.
Those construction forces aren’t waiting for “substational business” coming to town.
I’m hoping more minds activate to improve this community from the grass roots. We can be the engine of prosperity ourselves, just by group participating better.
In Wichita, unlike other County cities, we have failed facilities where people gather to see events.
From high school gyms and stadiums, to WSU not using Cessna stadium for college football. Lawrence- Dumont has disappointed the few thousand it seats. That stadium is old and needs updating.
We should have more pride in gathering facilities.
That attracts people and busines to town when groups are interacting constantly.
We want a fix of Lawerence-Dumont. We recognize need for a new arena.
We support schools efforts in their gyms and stadiums. We want bigger stadiums that attract greater events.
We don’t have a “destination” facility of any kind yet. State promoted facility to bring nationwide events. That affects traffic at the airport.
Some ideas, destination casino, destination stadium that returns WSU football, they both need people living here already to participate.
Filling the downtown arena shouldn’t be hard. At least 9,000 at downtown arena events all the time. Pro active promotions, filling the downtown arena with interesting concerts and shows.
Maximizing our potential is required than over trying to attract new business and people moving to this community.
WSU tries too hard with international students instead of fully focusing on more community kids going to the college. It lacks the things kids here want. It lacks a University feel that exists at KU and KSU.
College can’t improve and expand alone. Both County and City governments under support WSU because it doesn’t have tie in with the community.
A new stadium on County land, both the County and City government partial owners, they get something of value to promote, the facility, not just the football program that will benefit WSU alone.
That’s missing at WSU and it affecting this whole city and county. County events will be in the same building where WSU plays football games. City sponsored events as well. WSU isn’t paying a nickel in the stadium either. Won’t have labor and maintance of the stadium costs on their college budget.
We don’t have great facilities where we can all gather.
Building “destination” facilities that attracts business to Wichita.
All the manufacturing is great but people outside of working hours, want to experience this community more often.
It takes all of us to grow this commmunity, not just waiting and counting on outsiders coming to town, doing it for us.
You know how Joe W. always claims he’s a “libertarian?”
Here’s a good definition.
Libertarians are people who believe in just enough government to protect them from their slaves.
Joe Williams is a welcher on bets last I heard. His word is not worth much.
Mrage have you even been to Lawrence stadium? It is a fine facility. Problem is it is in Wichita. You could build a dome over the stadium and offer free admission and still not fill the place.
JR
Until every fan at Lawrence Dumont has a chair back seat, its not fine! Many problems with fans and players comfort on the field in that old stadium.
Do you include yourself in the obstruction to see events. Said so about the downtown arena. Fixing Lawrence-Dumont, would you go?
Should we count on your child and children after that instead? We build new facilities for their future community participation.
Expansion of WSU programs is exactly for that reason. More kids from the county going to WSU in the future.
I believe its the failure of old facilities caused Wichita’s apathy, but improved places to see events, many will change how they behave in this community. Parking at facilities will be nice too. Price for tickets some mention could be prohibitive but this market is “cheap” that way.
I hated cover chargers getting into bars. I hated prices paid for beer, more I could buy myself at the liqour store. Parking should be free! Charged parking?
In KC, Chiefs get public money and they charge for parking! Outrageous!
A consumer is trying to build stadiums here, I understand costs at wallets and families attending events.
I see the price of gas jumped 20 cents. How could that happen less than 2 weeks before elections?
What’s the excuse this time?
Wasn’t there, at one time, a cap on how much gas prices could be raised at once?
Who said that RD? Cap on gas prices raised isn’t market value based. It’s manipulation.
Somebody is setting a price for all to raise, collusion.
Market traders fault since the stock market index is higher or the war is going more worse than Bush is saying. Future of gas production is challeged.
Who knows why, only them! The gas and oil industry has control over the federal gov and consumers at their whims.
What they are supposed to do is make money on everybody. The sin is state governments adding more taxes to it because they can’t spend within their budgets.
Oil companies are victims! They say so! Weather and distribution problems, the variety of gasoline formulas, pollution controls in different states.
Oil exploration, no matter the environment their drilling is tough and difficult work. Can’t be too sensitive in the enviroments. They make a mess for the benefit of us all!
Getting us plentiful gasoline and oil, is the point. What we pay for is mostly taxes they say. Not their fault.