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What does Tankerless Todd think about this! Protection of borders he’s crowing about in ad’s all of a sudden! In his mind, the borders of Mexico are a “port”. He’s a port protectionist defined!
Illegal drug runner has right’s? Isn’t he an “enemy combantant”? Coming over to America illegally with intent to distribute. Destablizing American’s common sense for nonsense and addictions.
You dopeheads, there’s your stash, if not for you, this crap wouldn’t be imported.
EL PASO, Texas — Two U.S. Border Patrol agents were watching the Mexican boundary last year when they stopped a van carrying 743 pounds of marijuana. The driver fled back across the Rio Grande — with a gunshot wound in his buttocks.
Federal prosecutors convinced a jury in March that the agents had shot a defenseless man, then schemed to cover it up. Much of the evidence against them came from the drug runner, Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila, who reported the shooting to a friend at the Border Patrol in Arizona. Aldrete-Davila was given immunity from prosecution by the U.S. attorney’s office.
On Thursday, the agents — Ignacio “Nacho” Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean — were sentenced to 11 years and 12 years, respectively, for offenses that included violating the smuggler’s civil rights. Outraged supporters and anguished family members packed the courtroom, and many wept as the sentences were announced.
Outside the courthouse, members of the Minuteman Project, a group that opposes illegal immigration, carried “Free Nacho” placards. “I’m just happy to be going home to my family tonight,” Ramos said as he left the courtroom, surrounded by his attorneys and relatives. U.S. District Judge Kathleen Cardone agreed to let the men remain free until January, when they must report to prison.
The case has become a cause celebre among anti-immigration activists and advocates of stronger border security, who argue that it epitomizes the misplaced priorities of federal prosecutors as well as the absurd predicament of Border Patrol agents, who must fight heavily armed criminals while using little or no force. Among the rules broken by the agents, supporters note, was a policy forbidding agents from giving chase.
After Ramos and Compean were convicted, members of Congress demanded a review of the case; tens of thousands of people signed a petition supporting the agents and the efforts of the Border Patrol, which is vastly outgunned in its battle against narcotics cartels and human smuggling rings.
But Walter Boyaki, an attorney representing the smuggler, commended federal prosecutors for having the courage to carry on with a politically unpopular case, and argued that if the agents had not been punished, it would have “put a bulls-eye on every illegal alien.”
The agents were convicted of assault with a dangerous weapon and defacing a crime scene — as well as violating Aldrete-Davila’s rights. One of the charges, using a firearm in the commission of a felony, carried a mandatory 10-year term. Lawyers for the agents successfully sought reduced sentences for the other counts, arguing that the men had solid records prior to the shooting, but Cardone gave Compean a longer sentence, finding him more culpable. She did not explain why.
“He’s a good man who did his job,” said Compean’s attorney, Chris Antcliff. “What’s got people so upset is the Draconian punishment in this case.”
Added Andy Ramirez, head of Friends of the Border Patrol, a California group that has rallied support for the agents: “Why are they trying to protect this dope smuggler so badly? Why are they ruining the lives of two agents for doing their job?”
Federal prosecutors say that the facts — which included evidence that Ramos and Compean did not report the Feb. 17, 2005 shooting near Fabens to their superiors — clearly warranted a tough prosecution. They say illegal immigration opponents have spread lies and half-truths in a calculated campaign to turn the agents into martyrs.
“Federal agents do not get to shoot unarmed people as they are running away in the back and then lie about it and cover it up,” said Johnny Sutton, U.S. attorney for the Western District of Texas. “It is very important for border agents to follow the laws they enforce, and in those rare instances where they do not do that, it is our job to bring them to justice.”
Ramos and Compean said that they had gotten into a scuffle with Aldrete-Davila, and that he appeared to be holding a gun. Aldrete-Davila said he was unarmed, that he had held up his hands in surrender; he said he fled in fear only after Compean tried to beat him with the end of his shotgun.
As he ran toward the Rio Grande, the Mexican citizen said, he felt a sharp sting and fell to the ground. When he touched his backside, he said, his hand came away bloody and he limped back to Mexico. Ballistics experts matched the bullet extracted from Aldrete-Davila’s buttocks to Ramos’ handgun.
He has sued the federal government for $5 million, claiming he was permanently injured.
The agents’ description about what had occurred was contradicted by other agents who arrived on the scene. One testified that Compean had told him: “That little bitch took me to the ground and threw dirt in my face”, and also admitted to picking up shotgun casings to cover up the fact that he fired at the smuggler.
After the trial, three jurors gave sworn statements saying that they felt pressure to convict, not understanding that a hung jury was a possibility. Attorneys for the agents sought a new trial prior to the sentencing, but their request was denied. They plan to appeal.
According to an AP wire report, Kim Jong Il has told Chinese officials that he is sorry about conducting an A-bomb test, and is willing to halt nuclear weapons development in exchange for the United States halting its campaign to financially isolate NK.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-NKorea-Kim-Nuclear.html
VOTE NO INCUMBENTS in the Kansas governor’s race, the attorney general’s race and the Sedgwick County Commissioners’ race in November.
Let’s get some new people in these jobs who will work for our citizens … not just collect a paycheck.
Remember they work for us, not the other way around that they think.
Could club gitmo be classified as our first concentration camp?
Yes .morg, it is possible to classify club gitmo as a concentration camp. That is if you are a brain dead liberal! Go ahead .morg classify away all you want, what do facts mean to a brain dead liberal… nothing, nada, zilch. Come on repeat it over and over like .morg and you too can be a brain dead liberal. Gitmo is a concentration camp. Gitmo is a concentration camp.
“That is if you are a brain dead liberal! Go ahead .morg classify away all you want, what do facts mean to”
Give me some facts jw.Do you have to wait for big daddy rush to come and tell you what to say. Change my viewpiont.
Beginnings of partition in Iraq?
Shiite militia takes over Iraqi cityCHRISTOPHER BODEENAssociated PressBAGHDAD, Iraq – The Shiite militia run by anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr seized total control of the southern Iraqi city of Amarah on Friday in one of the boldest acts of defiance yet by one of the country’s powerful, unofficial armies, witnesses and police said.
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki dispatched an emergency security delegation that included the Minister of State for Security Affairs and top officials from the Interior and Defense ministries, Yassin Majid, the prime minister’s media adviser, told The Associated Press.
The Mahdi Army fighters stormed three main police stations Friday morning, planting explosives that flattened the buildings, residents said.
About 800 black-clad militiamen with Kalashnikov rifles and rocket-propelled grenade launchers were patrolling city streets in commandeered police vehicles, eyewitnesses said. Other fighters had set up roadblocks on routes into the city and sound trucks circulated telling residents to stay indoors.
more …
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/15800833.htm
Of course, if you are a brain dead BushBot this is “stay the course” good news – MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Partition of Iraq, apparently under consideration by the panel headed by James Baker, as one possible alternative to “stay the course”, and rejected by the Administration yesterday by and through Mr. Snow, may well be a fait accompli due to the actions of the Iraqis themselves, as shown in the link Ben posted. Such partition would place the formation of a democratic government, a post-invasion justification for the invasion, on the same level as elimination of WMDs.
I ran across this late last night. Part of it mentions partitioning, but you’ll have to use the link to get to it.
Major Change Expected In Strategy for Iraq War
By Michael Abramowitz and Thomas E. RicksWashington Post Staff WritersFriday, October 20, 2006; Page A01
The growing doubts among GOP lawmakers about the administration’s Iraq strategy, coupled with the prospect of Democratic wins in next month’s midterm elections, will soon force the Bush administration to abandon its open-ended commitment to the war, according to lawmakers in both parties, foreign policy experts and others involved in policymaking.
Senior figures in both parties are coming to the conclusion that the Bush administration will be unable to achieve its goal of a stable, democratic Iraq within a politically feasible time frame. Agitation is growing in Congress for alternatives to the administration’s strategy of keeping Iraq in one piece and getting its security forces up and running while 140,000 U.S. troops try to keep a lid on rapidly spreading sectarian violence.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/19/AR2006101901907.html
IF we had credibility with the Iraqi people as proponents of democracy then I think we COULD build a version of that in Iraq. It would not look like our version but might be fashioned more along the lines of Lebanon with each ethnic/religious group having proportional representation. This could allow for both geographic regions as well as urben centers.
Unfortunately we do not have such credibility. Making enemies of the democracy in Lebanon did not help our cause; our continued refusal to help remove our cluster bomblets from south Lebanon (that kill a couple of civilians daily) continues to hurt our cause.
We could at least make sure the international volunteers trying to clear these bombs were given coordinates; we refuse to even do that.
There are four (flawed) democracies in the Middle East. Three of these are enemies of the United States.
Ben
Another diesel story for you.35 mpg from a good sized sedan.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/18/AR2006101801834_pf.html
Thanks keckler – definitely interesting. It would be good to see more of them in all sizes of vehicles.
More on the public mood – red-state Virginia this time …
Loud, angry voices greet BushHundreds of demonstrators turn up near Science Museum to vent anger at president
BY MARK BOWESTIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER
They came to protest President Bush, Sen. George Allen, the Iraqi war, the National Security Agency surveillance program and most everything else conservative and Republican.
They were mostly young and mostly white, and at times very vocal and very profane.
For several hours yesterday, a few hundred people gathered across the street from the Science Museum of Virginia to voice their displeasure in words and signs with Bush.
“Bush and Allen sitting in a tree, K-I-L-L-I-N-G!” the crowd chanted at one point as they awaited the presidential motorcade.
Raunchy signs — many using language not permitted in a daily newspaper — were as plentiful as the slogans.
When one man tried persuading protesters to be civil and tone down the hostility, he was shouted down with a crude anti-Bush chant.
Several took a more tactful approach, such as a well-dressed man in a corduroy sport jacket who quietly held a sign describing Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld as a war criminal.
“I’m a swing voter,” said the man, Kerry Riley, who lives nearby. “I voted for Ronald Reagan and [am] proud of many Republican people in office, but not the likes of Dick Cheney, President Bush and Donald Rumsfeld and Karl Rove. I think they keep real bad company.”
The Virginia Anti-War Network helped organize the protest, which drew 150 to 400 people at various stages, according to organizers and police estimates.
The purpose, said network spokesman Garrie Rouse, was “to get the message out that there are people that are opposed to Bush, the administration and what he represents. That’s the main thing.
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/20/loud-angry-voices-greet-bush/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.timesdispatch.com%2Fservlet%2FSatellite%3Fpagename%3DRTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle%26%09s%3D1045855934842%26c%3DMGArticle%26cid%3D1149191253684%26path%3D%21news&frame=true
Ben
I understand that the VW Golf TDI gets 50 mpg on the highway. Awesome if you don’t mind driving a small car. And it is available in the U.S.
Good point. Unfortunately the VWs have become a bit overpriced. It’s too bad GM and Ford have largely abandoned this market niche.
Hey Heck,
Is that the one you get a guitar with?
Hank
Hank
I’m not sure, I vaguely remember seeing an add on TV to that effect but I really didnt pay any attention. If I bought one I’d just go to a pawn shop and swap the guitar for a gun since I have zero musical talent.
Hank,
Have you noticed how old Slash’s hands look in that one VW guitar commercial?
Hey RD,
Yea, I did! I think he’s only about forty but his hands (and the rest of him) look a little older!
I guess I don’t know what he’s been doing since he left Guns and Roses. Hell, I don’t know what Guns and Roses have been doing since they left him!
Hank
All:
Got an answer as to why some topics were closed; according to Brownlee, it has to do with spamming, as many of you suspected. Unfortunatly, that explanation doesn’t fit well with the reality of what topics were closed and what were not.
Not suggesting a deep dark conspiracy here- as I noted, these comments are remarkably unmonitored, sometimes too much so (re: threats of violence). Just an observation.
Hey Dingus,
Listing a bunch of liberal republicans that want to do away with guns doesn’t make your point.
Hank
Hank,Slash, Duff McKeagan and Matt Sorum of GnR are currently in Velvet Revolver with Scott Weiland (formerly of Stone Temple Pilots). Good band, sounds very similar to GnR.Axl Rose has kept the rights to use the name Guns n Roses, has gotten new players and a new release (Chinese Democracy).Doesn’t sound nearly as good as their ‘old’ stuff.
Editors
Give us a Todd Tiahrt thread. We want to discuss why “our” representative is in Washington instead of addressing the concerns of his constituents and debating his opponent Garth McGinn.
Garth McGinn for Ks Representative in the 4th district. It is long past time to send Tiahrt packing. Dump Tiahrt!
Hank,
Slash (Saul Hudson) is 41, so you’re right! Born July 23, 1965.
My kids made me aware of GN’R and a few other groups of that era. I used to wait until they’d gone to school, then play the CD’s. *wicked grin*
My youngest (17) was watching MTV or something not long ago and asked if Axl was a girl. ::gasp:: Obviously she wasn’t raised during the long hair period. ;)
http://gocomics.typepad.com/the_sandbox/
The above link is to a milblog set up by Gary Treudeau, to allow those in Iraq, recently returned from Iraq, etc., to communicate to us what they see, feel, etc. I quickly scanned some entries last night, and commend it to your attention. No matter what side of the political fence you are on, it is worthwhile to read the actual posts; some will make you laugh, some will make you cry (if you’re a softie, like I), but all (hopefully) will make you think.
Well, well; unscheduled meeting on Iraq strategy this weekend;
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/20/iraq.main/index.html
From VT’s link – more partition. And into segments hostile to US interests.
“In Iraq, U.S. and Iraqi forces were dealing with several Iraqi flash points of violence this week, including a reported take over of a city by anti-U.S. militia in the Shiite south, the proclamation of an Islamic state in the Sunni heartland and bloody sectarian fighting in the Balad region, north of the capital.”
Vaughn:
I checked your link to the writings from the front.If these young men and women are the future of prose, we have nothing to worry about.
Beautiful.
I’d encourage all of you to read. Whatever side of the political fence you are on, these young warriors are ours, and we have reason to be proud of them.
http://gocomics.typepad.com/the_sandbox/
And credit where it’s due; Vaughn found the link, and posted it first. I second his suggestion; read. It’ll go in my favorites, to read a few each day.
JR,
If Tiahrt does agree to debate your boy, will you go to it even if they don’t have pizza?
Hank
Thanks GMC, VT
Check out this Dodge Intrepid, too bad they didn’t go into production with it. 80mpg diesel hybrid.http://www.allpar.com/model/intrepid-esx3.html
Does anyone know if the following is true. If you can give me a link to what is the facts. It seems that John Kerry’s group Vietnam Veterans Against the War filed a law suit agains the Swift Boat group and then they dropped the law suit. Now it is reported that the Swift Boat group isn’t going to let it drop and have filed a law suit against Kerry’s group.
See:
POW Lawsuit Could Force Kerry To Come Clean On Vietnam ‘War Crimes’ Charges.
http://www.vvlf.org/default.php?page_id=77
When JW calls people “brain dead,” he’s indulging in something called “projection.”
How do we know that inmates at Gitmo are terrorists?
Because they are imprisoned at Gitmo, the prison for terrorists.
But how do we know they SHOULD be imprisoned at Gitmo?
Why, because they’re terrorists.
*****
A perfect example of “begging the question.”
RA – anyone can file a lawsuit. Now lets see if they prevail.
Anyone know why John Kerry’s group Vietnam Veterans Against the War dropped their law suit.
I thought that was going to be interesting. I know what the article says the reason was.
I suspect that neither one would be winnable. That kine of name-calling; particularly in heated election, tends to not really be actionable. Largely because there are too many generalities and then the specifics tend to get mushed together.
RA,
I think the problem is that too many have taken Kerry’s testimony before Congress regarding the Vietnam conflict personally.
It’s been a while since I’ve read the transcript of that testimony, but I don’t recall that Kerry ever said ALL U.S. soldiers/troops participated in the atrocities that were being, at that time, committed. The victory or defeat in Nam was not determined by his remarks.
It’s human nature, no matter what your political views, to take a statement and blow it out of proportion in many, well, proportions. We all do it, evidenced by many posts on this blog. I prefer to think that those who are doing and have done this with Kerry’s testimony are human. I just wish they would quit. Those who did not participate in the atrocities have nothing to fear. Those who did have their consciences, if they have them, to deal with.
While it’s true that some returning troops were treated ill because of Kerry’s comments, it was more a mass hysteria reaction to it than anything else, where one did it and others followed, many times without thinking. It wasn’t all that wide-spread, and we find today that those troops who served in Nam are given respect.
Blame the craziness of the times for the bad stuff and let’s move on. For instance, didn’t I hear that several more troops from the Iraq conflict are being held for trial over the murder and/or rape of Iraqi civilians?
Moral: There will always be a few bad apples.
Their only reason for filing the lawsuit was to keep the truth from the American people. They suceeded.
After they have achieved their goal with the lawsuit, let’s move on.
Thanks for the link,RA. I’ve made my donation!
Hank
I would think that those who complalin about the number of law suits being filed would be happy to learn that one had been dropped. Instead, they’re happy another has been filed.
I guess it depends on whose side you’re on, huh?
I wanted the law suit to go ahead.I thought it would be the fight of the century. I would then find out which side was telling the truth.
But no, Kerry’s group quit and ran away again. So sad.
RD,
Exactly! Your point?
Hank
This would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.
**Candidate for comptroller steps on a romantic thorn
Web Posted: 10/18/2006 12:40 AM CDT
Polly Ross HughesExpress-News Austin Bureau
AUSTIN — Dismiss romance writers as the drama queens of the supermarket set, perhaps, but call them pornographers at your own peril.
Just ask Democrat Fred Head.
Head, a long shot in this year’s state comptroller race, is reaping the wrath of Texas romance writers for calling Republican rival Susan Combs a “pornographic book writer.”
Once word of Head’s attack hit the romance trade press, networks in cyberspace buzzed with the news.
“Out of the blue, I had e-mails from England, Canada, California, all over Texas,” said Combs, Texas agriculture commissioner and author of the 1990 romance “A Perfect Match.”
“Women all across the United States and foreign countries are very angry at what they see as an attack on women,” she said.
Combs is launching a $3.2 million political advertising blitz on television today. The spots, which end with the words “experience we need, values we trust,” stress Combs’ experience as a small-business owner, former state legislator, agriculture commissioner, wife and mother.
Head, with no campaign funds, remains defiant, repeatedly calling Combs’ book pornographic. He doesn’t exactly hold the other romance writers in high esteem, either.
“I think the romance novelists should endorse my opponent,” he said. “That could probably get me elected. I just don’t agree with writing that I believe is pornographic and not good for the young people.”
Outraged romance writers first flooded Head’s campaign in-box with angry e-mails.
And, on Monday, they vowed revenge at the ballot box.
“I told him I was a Texan, a Christian, a voter, a grandmother, and I have written 46 novels,” said Houston romance writer Patricia Kay, 69. “I said, ‘You are not going to get my vote.’
“The truth is, I probably would have voted for him because I’m a registered Democrat,” she said.
Head could pay a big price for offending aficionados of romance fiction, the writers said, noting Romance Writers of America is headquartered in the Houston suburb of Spring and boasts more than 9,000 members.
With $1.2 billion annually in sales, romance fiction makes up more than half of all popular mass-market fiction sold and 39 percent of all fiction, the association boasts.
“This has been a huge issue in the romance community. It’s been a huge topic of conversation,” said romance novelist Shana Galen of Houston.
Galen wonders why Head posted excerpts from Combs’ novel on his Web site if he views the writing as pornography that young people shouldn’t see.
Combs said she wrote her book during her 31-year marriage, and her husband jokes that the hero in “A Perfect Match” is modeled after him.
“I think Fred Head is a very strange man, and I’m very concerned that anybody would believe anything he says,” Combs said.**
Networks in cyberspace buzzed with the news? That’s putting it mildly. What happened was that the old saying of “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned” was seen to be alive and well in today’s world. Head is a moron. A Dem moron. Yes, there are some.
Hey Rd,
Do you know the good lady that writes romance novels and teaches a course in novel writing for WSU?
Hank
Now that Bush made torture legal, we can TORTURE HIM to get at the truth finally about why we invaded Iraq.
Although I suspect being a Bush and all, W would squeal like a pig if you waved a pair of fingernail clippers in his direction.
JR–
Todd T-heartless is staying in Washington because he’s a big Washington insider.
The thing that he railed against, he became.
Actually Children,
I believe Tiahrt was home last week. Meeting with constituents.
During a campaign for office you do things that help your campaign.
Debating the current democratic loser would help Tiahrt’s campaign how?
Hank
Hmmmm thing I didn’t know and makes me more concerned:
I was talking to a neighbor today, a former Boeing employee who worked with TT back in the day and he said TT was backed and funded by a Boeing Program to put their reps in legislative positions annnnnnnnnnd as he understands it although TT may no longer be on the Boing Boing payroll he will get a nice “retirement” check from them when he is out of Congress. Combined with a nice retirement check for 12 years, of at best mediocrity, in Congress — TT can afford to retire — Let’s help him make that decision and elect the other guy — Didn’t know he had been bought and paid for — there are laws against whoring aren’t there?
MaH – you’re just now learning about Tankerless Todd’s long-term and continuing connections with Boeing? His actions on behalf of his (former, sort of) employer have been known for years.
Hank,
Tiahrt was once a local nobody? Did he get a debate against who, Glickman? I can’t remember who seat he took.
If he’s here, the debate could consist of a few people in audience, but the media is there to take a report.
Yes, debates are pointless in this Repub rubber stamping state, but shouldn’t government have equal access, just to talk.
Do people have to pay Tiahrt’s campaign to talk with him. Buy his constinuency.
He has to be replaced, maybe the right guy or girl hasn’t run for his seat yet. He’s on a time clock, this could be his last term.
What have his constiuents got to show for his efforts so far locally, beyond supporting the Repub machine, voting for Bush failed policies.
Bush isn’t failing policy of all kinds to you? He’s over budget and borrowing way too much federally. Social services cut to support the War on Terror, crimes statistics up, enforcement down. No true economist champions tax cuts while waging war.
The war has Rumsfeld and Cheney in charge, things aren’t going well is obvious.
This is what Tiahrt supports, he’s not calling for Hastert fat butt fired from leadership shows Tiahrt allows corruption. Tom Delay related crimes have to mean something. That stuff wasn’t done in secret!
TT is actually going to the NAACP event on Saturday to honor those individuals who participated in the Wichita sit – in at Dockum’s Drugstor in 1958. The nerve of some guys — maybe he can explain why the NAACP gives him a rating of 25 (out of 100) in his support of legislative issues important to them. He does even worse when it comes to gender and education issues. Time to start collecting them retirement checks TT …
Yes, Glickman made numerous joint appearences with Tiahrt.
Hank,
I’m not sure if I know her. Do you know her name? If it’s Sharon Dennison, yes, I do. I know Sharon teaches some classes at WSU, just not what classes.
Hey Mrage,
I don’t consider Tiahrt a local nobody. He was a state senator when he ran against Dan Glickman. He’s from Goddard, he had run for the 93rd district 1990. He might have been a noboby nationally, but he was well known and respected locally!
I don’t think there was a Glickman/Tiahrt debate, I don’t think Glickman took Todd serious until after the election.
You don’t have to donate to his campaign for him to help you. I personally know a lot of democrat constituents that he has helped. I haven’t donated any money to him in years. He still returns my calls.
I wouldn’t mind going to a debate between Todd and Garth but I don’t see much point in it for Todd. It can only help Garth from a name recognition stand point.
Todd is a conservative. I’m a conservative. I would aggree with about 90% of his votes.
Garth is a liberal. His stands on most issues are nothing more than liberal feel-good talking points. If he is elected I would probably disagree with over 90% of his votes.
It’s all academic though, poor ol’ Garth doesn’t have a chance.
Hank
Yea, its Sharon! She teaches (or did) novel writing courses at night as part of WSU’s adult education program.
Nice lady! I have taken her curs twice, very informative.
Hank
. . .taken her ‘course’ twice. . .
Hank, could you please define what you mean by conservative? Because I don’t think it means what you think it means! Or at least republicans in office today are not practicing what I keep getting as a definition from so-called conservative voters.
For example, do you support the troops? Do you expect your representative to support the troops? If both answers are yes, then you disagree with how Rep. Tiahrt votes because as I posted before, rep. Tiahrt get a ZERO rating from the DAV on his support of vetrans issues. We could just as easily talk about fiscal issues and the deficit.
Yes, Sharon is a super lady! We were members of the same local writing organization here and, of course, the national. In fact, I had the opportunity to get to know her better at RWA National Conference in NYC. We enjoyed drinks together in the hotel bar and talked and talked. More talking than drink, of course. ;)
Last I knew, we share the same editor. Her former editor had bought my first book, but when the editor moved up in the company, I was one of many who was passed off to a new editor. Later, that same editor moved up again, and Sharon moved over to my editor. She writes as Shawna Delacorte for Harlequin Intrigue and Silhouette Desire and some smaller presses, too, I think.
I haven’t heard from her for a while. I really should email her. I’ve heard her say many times how much she enjoyed teaching at WSU. I do know she was thinking of returning to Washington (state) at some point. I just don’t know when.
dave s,
Exactly what were those scores based on?
Let me guess… they looked at a very specific bill which said who knows what concerning Vetrens and they come up with a zero.
What does a zero mean?
Does that mean that Tiahrt doesn’t care about vetrens at all?
Nope. It probably means he didn’t vote a certain way on X number of bills that whoever made that score sheet came up with.
And here you come, like the kool aid drinker you are, trying to say that it makes Tiahrt less of a conservative than we think?
Yeah right.
Hey dave,
I suppose that you could maybe referemce some of the votes that Tiahrt made that the DAV used to come up with their ratings.
They are a liberal activest group. Their board is a bunch of liberal anti war nitwits. Nothing on their website indicates the criteria they use for their ratings.
Liberals get a good rating, conservatives get a bad one.
As a Commander of a VFW I had the opportuity to work with several legislator, state and national. Tiahrt was one of the best. Dan Thimesh (democrat representative in the 93rd) was also one of the best. Last election Dan went against Journey in the senate race for our district and lost. I voted for Dan.
I would have to aggree with you about conservatives in office today. Bush is not a conservative. Tiahrt is not as conservative as he use to be, but I think it’s just because he’s been beaten down. If a truly fiscal and moral conservative democrat ran against Todd I’d probably support him.
Hank
Hank,
I spent many years growing up in the Goddard school district, but never went to those schools. I knew Goddard as a city pretty well in the 70’s and early 80’s.
Was I paying attention to Tiahrt against Glickman, no. Glickman was being railed against here but somehow has become Mr. Hollywood decesion maker. Done very well outside of politics, though movies is a political industry.
I thought farmer’s issues affected Glickman too much here. One guy didn’t make the Farm Bills in Washington. Farm industry fed money is why rural areas continue to vote Republican in Kansas.
Tiahrt never had to answer farmers issues or did he promise more money to farmers as a bribe! The increasing farm bill dollars harms world trade. Genius legislation its not!
If your Conservative how can you stand for the lawlessness in the House under Hastert? Tiahrt is allowing it, why you? Shouldn’t Tiahrt talk about replacing Hastert as leader just because its ethical to do!
That’s what I don’t get. People are failing their jobs and you don’t want to replace them. Beyond the political party are these decent, ethical enough people elected into office.
You should be disagreeing with Tiahrt more and still respect him.
Tiahrt should be disagreeing with Bush policies more because its necessary. The port issues and sudden immigration concerns at election time is weak.
Hey RD,
Its been a few years since I took her course, I enjoyed it immensely.
SHe is a very nice lady and a very good writer. I’ve read several of her books, enjoyed them, but its not my venue!
I have a book shelf full of books I want to read, I read about three a week, but my list keeps getting bigger.
Hank
Hey Mrage,
I saw no problem with DWP buying the adminstration rights to our ports. One of the things Todd and I disagree on.
As far as Hastert goes, I agree with you. He should be more active in fighting the coruption in the house. I don’t think there is any coruption involed with the Foley case. He wrote some nasty IMs. He got caught. He resigned. End of story. Hastert should be going after the democrats that lie about people for political gain.
Foley is a middle-aged gay man. He is attracted to young men. What a surprise! If he was a democrat from Massachussets there would be no problem. Why? Because it’s only a crime to be gay if you are republican.
What, pray tell, do you think I should be outraged about? Facts please, only the facts mam.
Hank
Hank,
I wouldn’t expect romance to be your choice of genre, but I commend you for giving it a try! Most men are hands-off, but I do know a few men who read it and a couple who write it. :0
Hank,
Forget Foley…Tom Delay money laundering crimes in the House! That mess should get Hastert fired.
Money changed hands through Republican campaigns and Hastert surely took his cut, allowed those transfers to be protected. Helped Delay deny justice for a long time, until he was fired! That didn’t end it!
Foley problem won’t let Hastert forget. His own leadership is saying he knew all about Foley years ago and did nothing.
I don’t hate Republicans like some people. I don’t like Democrats completely today, Senate’s Dem leadership is a joke.
It’s what you describe as conservative, I’m nearly totally against. I’m a moderate on both sides politically. Left or Right can go too far.
I want people fired, replaced in Congress and the White House if they are failing their jobs. Bush in his second term is failing. Congress has failed as the biggest do nothing group in a long time.
Oh, Delay? And what pray tell is Delay guilty of? Can you even tell me what they finally (after three grand juries) indicted him on?
The liberals in cnogress think if they defame a person enough he’ll either get sick of the process or they’ll convince the stupid among us that they are actually guilty of something.
In Delay’s case I think both happened. It’s obvilus the stupid among us think Delay did someting wrong. Getting charges by a democrat political hack in Texas is one of Delay’ qualities in my book.
I’ve forgotten Hastert, What, pray tell is Delay guilty of?
Hank
Delay’s best friend and political operative was Jack Abramoff. Delay wasn’t involved in Abramoff’s stealing a cruise ship and murder, but House legislation entries and access to higher federal offices went through Delay.
He’s being charged legitimately in Texas. His money laundering through PAC’s was real. Campaign money distributed illegally and whatever bribe dollars got through too.
Smart people know Delay was a crook. Do fools allow him a free pass because of politics. A crook is a crook.
Delay still on the election ballot in his district because he lied about moving to Maryland or wherever. His residence is still in Texas because his wife stays there. The guy is a joke all the way around politically. He used the system to get rich and famous, ethically corrupt.
Tiahrt ever said a bad word about Delay? If not, he’s allowing those kind of actions to continue in House politics.
Todd Tiahrt has actually responded to constituents that aren’t fringe right wealthy republicans? I’m gonna call bs on that.
I have written to Tiahrt several times. I have NEVER gotten a personal response. Not once. The responses I do get have all been from Tiahrts flunky Chuck Knapp. They have all had a “canned” quality to them. There was one exception where Mr. Knapp advised me that I might be happier living someplace else. While this is true, it is NOT the appropriate response from a representative to a constituent.
Tiahrt has contempt for his constituents. He feels entitled to his office. That is why we do not see him. Every one of his constituents should be outraged that Tiahrt is showing contempt for our political process and traditions. If Tiahrt won’t come to debate his opponent, he will likely feel no obligation to be responsible for his constituents the next two years.
Eagle editors: Demand that Todd Tiahrt respect our political traditions!
GMC, Ben, glad you found the “letters home” link to be as valuable as I.
Hank
According to Smart Vote (not a liberal or conservative research group)here is how TT scored on:
Veterans Issues2005 Representative Tiahrt supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 0 percent in 2005.
2004 Representative Tiahrt supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 0 percent in 2004.
2004 On the votes that the The Retired Enlisted Association considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Tiahrt voted their preferred position 17 percent of the time.
2003 On the votes that the Disabled American Veterans – House considered to be the most important in 2003, Representative Tiahrt voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.
2003 Representative Tiahrt supported the interests of the American Veterans 50 percent in 2003.
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Also, he voted for legislation / appropriations early this year that removed $2 billion from the military personnel budget – the budget that funds housing, libraries, schools for their libraries.
He voted 4 — count em 1 2 3 4 times against any Congressional Investigation into the waste, fraud and abuse of Iraq war contracts with Halliburton, CaCI and Blackwater. Because of their waste fraud and abuse our soldiers had to drink and shower from toxic water supplied by Halliburton /KBR contracts. And yet he testified earlier this year about Congressional waste programs like this: “Time and again, we see Congressionally authorized programs become institutionalized, ultimately becoming permanent fixtures with little justification behind their continued existence,” said Tiahrt. “This wastes taxpayer money and ties up precious Federal resources that could be used toward paying down the national debt or funding higher Congressional priorities.”
The side of his mouth he is talking from is his backside.
He is a puppet of this administration and gives a smile and lip service to supporting our military. He has never answered an email from me — but he did send me an email announcing his first campaign ad. When he didn’t answer my first 2 emails about the $2 billion and pending veterans legislation that he voted against I made a commitment to do everything I could to insure he will not be reelected. From what I can tell he has only provided a smile and lip service to supporting our troops — he won’t debate because he knows he cannot justify his reelection with any concrete examples of anything HE has accomplished. He has not sponsored or cosponsored any legislation in support of the military in 6 years (as far back as I have tracked.
You wany more:
Gender Issues2005 Representative Tiahrt supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 33 percent in 2005.
2005 Representative Tiahrt supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 29 percent in 2005.
2003-2004 Representative Tiahrt supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 0 percent in 2003-2004.
2003-2004 Representative Tiahrt supported the interests of the Federally Employed Women 0 percent in 2003-2004.
The women in your family will love him for this: (stats for more recent years not available)
2003-2004 Representative Tiahrt supported the interests of the National Breast Cancer Coalition 17 percent in 2003-2004.
2001-2002 Representative Tiahrt supported the interests of the National Breast Cancer Coalition 40 percent in 2001-2002.
He is going down in flames with the rest of the neocons — you and he can enjoy his retirement togther.
I find it interesting that in Montana 3rd term Senator Conrad Burns (R) seeking his 4th term, is right now, as we speak, debating his Democratic challenger Jon Tester for the EIGHTH time.
If Tiahrt (that’s really pronounced TEE-Art, but maybe he doesn’t want to be perceived as an ARTful dodger) has really done a lot for Wichita and Kansas, and is the best candidate to represent WICHITANS and KANSANS, can’t he prove it in debate?
I’m sorry, but the Eagle, KPTS, along with the other stations here, and the League of Women Voters, have all been AWOL. Wichita is the epitome of lameness. Maybe if Nancy Boyda beats Jim Ryun (who was forced to debate his opponent), then in 2008, Wichita’s media will have enough courage to put Mr. TEE-art’s feet to the fire. Or maybe not.
Sorry JR,Every time I write Tiahrt, I begin my letter by telling him how I have never voted for him and could not conceive how I ever would even if I was given an infinite number of opportunties. Suffice it to say, he realizes right away he is not getting a love letter like Hank might send him.
He has answered every single one of my letters. While I agree with him on little, most of the time, he is responsible about answering his constituents.
I remember writing him about Clinton’s impeachment. I asked him if Clinton’s sins weren’t really between Bill and God? He said something about Bill needing to answer to God — but then segued into how he was going to have to answer to Congress, too. I think I still have it somewhere. It was priceless (no pun intended, Hank).
I have also written him on issues that affected me personally. His office has always answered me.
During what I think was Tiahrt’s first race he almost unseated my old high school government teacher in a state congress race. That guy’s name was Rick Bowden. I did not live in the right district at the time, but would have voted for Tiahrt, because Bowden was a jackass of the first order.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/10/another_great_intelligent_desi.html
Another Great Intelligent Design Debate On TVThis week on Think Tank (PBS): Intelligent Design vs. Evolution- Part two.
PBS doesn’t seem to think ID unworthy of discussion. I missed part one, but part two will air at 7:00 pm Sunday on KPTS here in Wichita. Watch, if you aren’t afraid of the light.
JR,
If you were going to go to another state, where would you go? Like CF I like Washington state. But so do a lot of other people as I found out.
I applied for a job in Olympia, Washington, that I thought was really less of a job than what I wanted in terms of responsibility and salary. In Kansas people would have been grateful if you applied for such a job. I think I finshed 3rd in their ranking. A lot of people like me from all over the country want to move there. It’s very competitive is what I concluded. They called me about a second job they had in Olympia, but I did not try for it.
Any way I was wondering what state you thought would work better for you. You can answer back channel if you’d prefer.
“Watch, if you aren’t afraid of the light.”
Outlander,You’re such a joker… :-)
Achtung, Achtung,
It seems that “our” government is planning something and shrub won’t let that pesky posse comitatus nonsense get in his way.:)
You lefty dems better not riot in November after the bush bolsheviks steal the election!
U.S. Army North up and running
Staff report
U.S. Army North, the Army’s newest service component command reached full operational capability Monday, which means that it is fully manned, equipped and ready to assume its mission.
As part of Army transformation, USARNORTH was formed to become the dedicated Army service component command to Northern Command, the unified command responsible for defending the homeland and coordinating defense support of civil authorities.
Located at Fort Sam Houston, Texas, USARNORTH achieved initial operating capability in September 2005, and is responsible for specific missions, including:
• Execute homeland defense and defense support of civil authorities missions.
• Provide training and readiness oversight of certified weapons of mass destruction—civil support teams.
• Conduct the Army-to-Army portion of the theater cooperation mission with Canada and Mexico.
• Coordinate the activities of defense coordinating officers and their elements assigned in each Federal Emergency Management Agency region.
• Organize up to two task forces that, with augmentation, can become joint task forces and deploy within the operational area to command and control Department of Defense forces responding to homeland defense or civil support operations.
For the past 12 months, USARNORTH has been building its organization, readiness and mission capability. USARNORTH officially assumed the Army component command duties from Forces Command on Oct. 1.http://armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2274936.php
Viva La Raza Blanco!!!
Ian,
Just out of curiosity, what do you have on detention camps in the U.S.?
Steven,
I trust your account of your experience with Tiahrt. Please trust mine as posted above.I have searched and not found the ONE semi personal email I got from Tiahrt flunky Chuck Knapp. I guess I tossed it out. It was a mean spirted thing. Knapp essentially told me mine was not a valued opinion in Kansas and that I might be advised to move.
Well I can’t move for now.If I could or when I can? Right now, no place in America looks inviting. The accumulation of power to the Executive branch makes no place safe from neocon corporo-fascism. I can only hope that changes. But if it doesn’t, Canada looks good. That or a return of my pre-revolution family line to Germany. Or perhaps relocation to Africa or some other place where democracy is young (or not yet born) and growing instead of old and dying.
JR, you really are a nut! I think its great that Chuck Knapp recommeded that you relocate!
Heartlander, don’t get down on every one of these organizations for not demanding a debate, every one knows that poor ol’ Garth diesn’t have a chance. Garth is not a serious candidate. The DNC, the union leadership, and the state democrats are basically ignoring the race between Tiahrt and Garth. Game over. Get over it.
Steven, Even though you made your position and politics clear in your letters to Tiahrt, I’m sure they were serious and respectful in their tone. Unlike anything JR was likely to compose! By the way, I finished the book. We need to do lunch and talk sometime!Ken, I am familiar with most of Tiahrt’s votes. Again, I support 80 – 90% of them. If I was a single issue candidate I could nit pik and find something to whine about in most of his votes. I am a veteran. I’ve written him on veteran issues in the past. I haven’t always been happy with him. I’ve read McGinn’s website. He is a liberal nit wit pandering to the left leaning democrats. I disaggree with his positions, his politics and the issues he thinks are most important. Doesn’t matter though, he’s toast.
Mrage, and Delay is guilty of what?
Hank
The war on terror is being fought by approximately 0.5 percent of the population—an active duty force of less than 1.5 million out of a total population of approximately 290 million. Meanwhile, the other 99.5 percent shop, gripe about the price of gas, and tune into Desperate Housewives. The problem of the moment is that those among the 99.5 percent to whom the Pentagon has looked to replenish the 0.5 percent are increasingly declining the opportunity to do so.
Commentators have sought to describe this in political terms. After all, most minorities and the working poor have no particular affinity for Bush or his party. A conservative Republican proclaiming himself the champion of freedom for all humankind might evoke from African Americans a certain skepticism. The administration’s insistence that oil had nothing to do with a Texas oilman’s decision to invade Iraq might strike those stuck on the lower rungs of the economic ladder as less than credible.
But this insistence on seeing things in partisan terms overlooks a more obvious explanation rooted in concerns about fairness and equity. Maybe when it comes to serving the country, minorities and working-class Americans have simply grown weary of carrying more than their fair share of the load. Could it be that the Iraq War bears at least some of the earmarks of being a rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight, conceived by well-heeled Washington insiders but fought by those least likely to reap the promised benefits of the American way of life?
President Bush has repeatedly portrayed the present conflict as a sequel to the momentous struggles of the past century. Indeed, in his address to the nation on June 28, the president essentially endorsed Osama bin Laden’s description of the current struggle as tantamount to a third world war. But if the war on terror—or, if you prefer, the campaign to democratize the Islamic world—is indeed of such vital importance, then the burden of fulfilling that mission ought to fall across the full spectrum of American society.
The problems besetting the AVF suggest that the days of undemocratically conceived and undemocratically implemented national-security policies may be numbered. If he continues on his present course, Bush will run out of soldiers long before he runs out of wars.
http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/article.php?id_article=1312
Iraq War.
The rich man’s war,The poor man’s fight.
hank?
“You really are a nut.”
Well Hank you had the opportunity on two occasions to tell me that to my face.But you Hank are not much for face to face honesty are you? You have posted lies on me on this forum. You Hank, have attacked me, my son, and my mother with your lies. I have never done the like to you. You referece me in posts where I have not even weighed in. And frankly I am just a bit sick of it.
I know your situation hank. I am too much of a gentleman to out you for the fraud you really are.
Personal story here. My son and I met Mr Hank Price. My son is aware of my battles here. His take was the Hank he met could not possibly be the Hank that posts here.
“I think it is great that Chuck Knapp recommended your relocate” Yeah Hank? And just where would your sort like to see me relocated?
It does not surprise me Hank to learn that Todd Tiahrt serves you well. He is the same sort of lying,posing despicable syncophant that you are.
You have Tiahrts ear? Then tell him to get back here and address his opponent and his constituents.
Take a vacation in sunny Iraq!I hear it’s to DIE for!
:)
http://www.army.mil/references/FY04ArmyProfile.pdf
Hank
You are not for real — you could not possibly agree with his voteson military issues — if you do you should realize that he has in essence raped your brother veterans by his two faced stance on miitary voted and legislation and you supprot that — as others have said here — you are a joke — and even you don’t get it.
You throw the term liberal around as if you have a clue to what most of the people in here really are — logical independent thinkers who can see the facts and make intelligent rational judgements based on them — I support McGINN because he is not TT and the best alternative to the neocon christian far right conservatives who have been duped by this administration and the lackey corrupt republican Congress. TT has somehow bought you off — or you’re afraid to face the facts that he has let most of his constituents down and betrayed their trust and confidence. …
DeLay is guilty of violating Texas laws that say candidates cannot accept contributions from corporations, He tried to circumvent the law by money laundering, so they nailed him for that too — but I’m sure you knew that and are in denial — TT was part of that scheme — he may have served you well (you must cut his hair or something) and now your lips are forever connected to his ass — no wonder you can’t see the hypocrisy.
for Farmgrl
Lack of a marriage license may cost tens of thousands of dollars—and the loss of a home—when a partner dies.
In more than one in 10 same-sex couples, one partner is 65 years old or older. Census 2000 shows us that 97 percent of U.S. counties have a senior in a same-sex partnership. The greatest numbers of same-sex senior couples live in California, New York, and Florida. Illinois and Arizona also have significant numbers. Prevalence aside, the aging of the gay, lesbian, and bisexual community is not particularly golden for many. These couples cannot be recognized as legally married, so a surviving partner loses financial ground. Survivors are denied the Social Security benefits that married couples get, face heavy taxes on any retirement plan, and get charged an estate tax if they inherit a home, even if it was jointly owned.
Same-sex senior couples are more likely to still be making mortgage payments when one dies. Combined with other financial losses, this higher debt burden puts surviving partners at greater risk of losing their home. Even before a partner’s death, these seniors risk losing their home when an elderly partner enters a nursing home. Federal Medicaid law permits a married spouse to remain in the couple’s home, but not an unmarried partner.
http://www.urban.org/toolkit/issues/gayresearchfocus.cfm
RD,
I have been hearing alot of chatter and it is sometimes hard to seperate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. Try typing “rex-84″ + “fema” into your search engine and you will get plenty of hits.
V.L.R.B!!
Thanks, Ian. I used to have a few links, but when I reformatted my hard drive a couple of weeks ago, I missed saving my Favorites. I’m still beating my head against the wall for that. I had hundreds of sites bookmarked for various reasons.
I was just curious what you might have heard. I haven’t decided if I believe there are detention centers waiting to be filled. All I know is that it could be true.
Will,
I doubt you’re a Real Time with Bill Maher viewer, but last night Barney Frank commented that in Massachusettes, the uproar over legality in that state of same sex marriages is rarely heard now. People have found that it doesn’t diminish their marriages or affect them in any way.
Hey ken,
You are starting to crack me up! National Association of Women? National Association of University Women? If you really want to convince me why don’t you look up and see how he scores with the comunist party.
Or maybe we can talk about the great liberal hope. Garth supports minimum wage increases. Butt boy for the uninons. Garth supports a pull out of Iraq. Butt boy for Al Quida. He has no position on abortion other than to keep it legal. Butt boy for Teller.
Garth has no rational position on foriegn policy, immigration, energy, environment or a list of so called ‘liberal rights’.
Garth has no support. He has no money. He has no chance.
Hank
Dear JR,
You are a nut. Nothing illstrates that fact better than your last two posts.
I’m too polite to call you a nut to your face. Both times we met it was at a social function (arranged by me I believe). That is not the place to call someoe a nut to their face. My offer to take you to lunch still stands though.
I love ya JR, in spite of the fact that you are a nut. Every BLOG needs some one like you for comic relief. You make me chuckle with your posts. I apologize if I have upset you.
Hank
Hank,
Thanks for the post on Garth McGinn. Now I have several reasons for casting my vote for him…and I didn’t even have to visit his website.
Garth McGinn will work for all his constituents. Tiarht only works for Hank.
Hank
You feeble minded whacko, twist and turn everything around and it only helps to support the anti – Tiahrt sentiment in the blogs and the streets — crawl out of your hole in Goddard and TT’s ass and you will find his grip continues to slip — TT is weak on military support, simple health care reform and issues, the blue collar working man that he purports to supposrt. In an earlier post you said GM didn’t have union support and now you imply that he does — you sound like TT —- flip – flop (ring a bell) what happened to his support of term limits ?
He voted four times against any congressional investigation into the fraud waste and abuse of Iraqi contracts — yet he recently testified”“Time and again, we see Congressionally authorized programs become institutionalized, ultimately becoming permanent fixtures with little justification behind their continued existence,” said Tiahrt. “This wastes taxpayer money and ties up precious Federal resources that could be used toward paying down the national debt or funding higher Congressional priorities.”
… and you voted for this betrayal of trust ——- shame
What is that sound I hear from him and now you — “FLIP FLOP”
GM will work for all his constituents (including the pathetic ones like you) not just the ones that finance his campaigns and trips to Hawaii — maybe TT can get you a job at Boeing and give you something to do with your time.
Well ken, I suppose if Tiahrt is as bad as you believe, you have nothing to worry about come election time because he will be voted out.
Nathan,
Are you saying that no bad politicians have held office, voted in by a majority?