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CALLING JOE WILLIAMS!
Here’s the bet we made exactly one year ago today:
Joe W.–You’re on. Oct 15, 2006. If people can drive from the airport to downtown Baghdad without an armed escort, if the country has a stable elected gov’t, if the US has pulled more than half of its 140,000 troops out, and we’re not losing 1-2 soldiers a day, then I will be happy to pay you 50 US dollars.
If however, any of the above is not true, you owe me.
*****
Joe—You can send your check to
Horace SantryPEACE AND SOCIAL JUSTICE CENTER of South Central Kansas1407 N. TopekaWichita, KS 67214-1107
I’ll be checking with Horace to see when he gets your check. The sooner you send it in, the sooner I’ll quit hounding you about it.
Thank you.
BTW, October was one of the worst months for American casualties in Iraq for quite a while–something like 50 so far.
Not only is Iraq not getting better, it’s clearly getting worse.
Last week, at a Rose Garden speech and Q&A about NK’s nuclear test, a reporter queried Bush on Iraq.
Bush did NOT say, “We will stay the course.” He DID say that the Iraq war plan is being reviewed, and that he is amenable to change if something isn’t working.
It turns out that former Secretary of State James Baker, a longtime family friend, is leading an advisory panel to change the Iraq regimen. They’re devising options to present to BushCo.
One that Baker reportedly favors is asking IRAN and SYRIA to come into Iraq to pacify it quickly, using military forces that are far larger than America has used, and that are much more competent than the Iraqi brigades we have trained.
Yes, you read that right. We could potentially ally with one of the “Axis of Evil” states, as well as another state often accused of harboring and abetting Islamofascist terrorists.(Note: Iran and Syria provided vitally useful info to America on al-quaida after 9/11 to help America track down the terrorists.)
Alice, oh Alice, have you seen the Mad Hatter?
Stanford genetics programming professor John R. Koza, who invented the scratch-off lottery ticket, devised a scheme to democratize the presidential election process, by changing state electoral college laws.
Koza’s idea is to create a compact between many states in which they agree to assign their electoral votes to the candidate who receives the most popular votes nationally. Currently 29 states have sponsors for this innovative legislation.
This plan is intended to not just require outcomes to represent the will of the majority of Americans, but to also force presidential candidates to campaign in ALL states, rather than restricting their campaigning to fewer than 20 “battleground” states. In the 2004 election, 99% of presidential campaign money was spent in just 16 of these states, disenfranchising 34 states, like Kansas, where we haven’t even had a presidential primary in recent memory, or any campaign stops by the contenders.
Kansas Democrats’ presidential votes currently count for nothing, nada, zero, zip in the winner-take-all electoral scheme.
So, if Kansas joins the compact, and the national voting outcome is uncertain prior to the election, Kansas, even though Republican dominant, would give all its electoral votes to a Democrat, if the Democratic presidential contender won the national majority.
In this circumstance, somebody might think, “Well, this new scheme is still winner take all, so Kansas Republicans could be disenfranchised (potentially).”
This simplistic inference misunderstands the proposal. EVERY KANSAN’S VOTE WOULD BE COUNTED in the NATIONAL TALLY. Thus, if the national tally resulted in a Democratic candidate’s receiving a majority or plurality of votes, Kansas, under the compact, would simply agree to accept the popular national will.
That’s completely different from the current state of affairs where Kansas’s Democratic voters are disenfranchised, because the outcome of Kansas’s electoral college members’ votes is established LONG BEFORE ELECTION DAY. The same holds, in reverse, for states with large Democrat majorities, like California and Massachusetts, where Republican voters get zero electoral college representation.
The proposal isn’t a scheme to give either party an undue advantage, rather it is an effective substitute for a popular national-vote-counting U.S. Constitutional amendment, which is much harder to get passed, as a mere 13 anti-amendment states can prevent passage. In effect, one-fourth of states, whose population could be less than one-eighth of the nation’s population, can thwart an overwhelming pro-amendment majority’s will.
The compact proposal’s effects go well beyond a new way of assigning electors per se. Republican and Democratic candidates would have extremely strong incentives to visit Kansas in order to convince individual Kansans to vote for them, because Kansans’ individual votes would contribute to the national-majority outcome. It would very much be in a Republican candidates’ interest to convince an additional 20,000 Kansans to vote for them. Same for Democratic candidates. Similarly for every other state.
We also need to get an earlier presidential primary date for Kansas, because right now, Kansans have to accept whoever the earlier primary states choose “on behalf of” Kansans.
The ultimate issue is, do Kansans want presidential candidates to respect us, and give us their attention, or just take us for granted and ignore us?
AMERICA HELD HOSTAGE:DAY 2095….
Presidency held hostage:827 Days left.
Congress held hostage:82 Days left.
HAVE A NICE DAY.
Heartlander – I have seen the mad hatter – his name is Rumsfield.
http://www.anesi.com/fscale.htm
Fifty years ago, the Authoritarian Personality studies attempted to “construct an instrument that would yield an estimate of fascist receptivity at the personality level.”This online, interactive F Scale presents that instrument in its final form. Additional infomation, including an explanation of the personality variables the F Scale tries to measure, is given below after the questionnaire. So take the F Scale now — or else!—–
Did They Fool You On Iraq? Are You Ready For Iran?
By David SwansonA majority of Americans supported attacking Iraq, but now a majority of Americans say it was the wrong thing to do and that they were lied to. If you are among those who supported the attack on Iraq but now believe you were mistaken, then you have one step up on our president – he’s never publicly admitted a mistake in his life. In fact, he once demonstrated the difficulty he has in even imagining being wrong by unsuccessfully attempting to recite the following wise saying: “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.”
In the next month, you may very well have the opportunity to be fooled twice by the same president. And years from now – if we’re all still alive – you may have occasion to face that same difficult conclusion: “Shame on me.” But why let it come to that? Why not get wise to the lies beforehand?
To understand the lies we’re already hearing and the lies we may soon hear about Iran, it’s important to understand just what was wrong with attacking Iraq. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, and the rest of them told us that Iraq was behind the attacks of 9/11/2001 and that Iraq possessed massive amounts of chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons and the means and intent to use them on the United States. These were lies, but they would not have justified attacking Iraq even if true. The idea that they would have done so is based on more lies.
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/15/did-they-fool-you-on-iraq-are-you-ready-for-iran-oped/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scoop.co.nz%2Fstories%2FHL0610%2FS00216.htm&frame=true
Political Correctness run amok.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=410150&in_page_id=1770
Heartlander,
Concerning your first post, I had heard that Baker was going to delay his project’s recommendations until AFTER the election. That did not make sense to me, but if what you are saying is true, it is clear why there will be the delay.
It seems like to me that Syria and Iran would have significant interests in a stable Iraq. Wouldn’t this be a outside Shi’ite and Sunni help for Iraq’s members of those groups.
Rather than being mad, this just might be brilliant. Of course, we can all rest assured that Baker is not influenced in any way by a goal of protecting Mid-east oil interests from being overwhelmed by chaos. All cynicism aside, I think the world economy has an interest in the Mid-east not devolving into anarchy and war.
As for me, I say it is past time to let the “adults take over”.
Heartlander,On your second post, I am trying to understand how this new proposed voting systsem would be functionally different from a majority-rules non-electoral college system. Do you have links or further info?
If anyone thinks they should place any stock in Baker’s possible plan they should wait until (a) it is revealed, (b) it is implemented, and (c) it yields results. Right not it is an illusory pig-in-a-poke.
Ben,I have been reading Bob Woodward’s _State of Denial_ – the book should have titled, or at least subtitled, _The folly and disaster of Donald Rumsfeld_.
Given your interest in Mr. Rumsfeld, I’d recommend the book. The portrayal of him there gives new meaning to the word “incompetent”.
Yes, Ben, it could be a pig in a poke, but it is thinking outside the Bush box, i.e. a lot more than “stay the course” – which is encouraging to me.
And, I like the idea of the middle east being invested in solving the middle east’s problems (admittedly those given to them by Bush).
Sorry Ben, I want to hear more on this idea.
Maybe he will give rise to a new word – something that combines “incredibly incompetant” with “incredible arrogance”
True staven – but should I vote in the coming election based on this promise – a promise that might well turn out to be empty?
Something to read with your monday morning coffee…
Go to the Whitehouse Website…
Bush has proclaimed National Character Week….
You could be right, Ben, that this is being floated as a pre-election promise of sanity. Even though I think the idea has some practical merit, the chances of Bush endorsing it may not be good. As pointed out by Dan Froomkin of the Washington Post not long ago on the question of this Baker project, GW has been known to wave off GHW’s signals in the past.
Where we live there is a small creek that separates us from the stable area north of the lake. It is a wildlife highway. We never know what to expect when we go to feed the horses.
Deer are very common here. Coyotes, foxes, racoons, squirrels, possums and theaccasional armadillo. There is even a bobcat that we see now and then.
Many of the little critters even come into our back yard from time to time. I never let Lilly out in the backyard at night unless one of the ‘big’ dogs is outwith her, just in case.
Did I forget to mention skunks? We were all ready for bed and I was down in the family room waiting for the dogs to finish ther last peepee call when Joyceyelled down, “SKUNK!”
I opened the door and yelled for the dogs, but the aroma told me I was too late. Here came Lilly. I grabbed her as she came in the door and carefully smelledher. She was OK. Then here came Sammy, head down looking a little embarrased. Overall smell check OK.
Then here comes Mr. Zoom, He was making short little arcs with his head upside down rubbing in the grass. His front legs were skance, clawing air. His butt high, back legs driving his upside down head in a futile attempt to rub off theoffending smell.
No need for the smell test, grab him before he reaches the futon! Skunk emergency procedures in progress! As I grab Zoom, Joyce rushes to the pantry to get the ingredients for the skunk wash. As I do the preliminary washwith the Dial antibacterial soap Joyce mixes the hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and Dawn.
Two washes with the skunk solution and Zoom is as good as new! He’ll need another treatment in a day or two, (the aroma seems to come back a little) but for now he is OK.
Hank
In _State of Denial_ there is an account of Barbara Bush approaching a long-time trusted friend during the build up to the Iraq war and asking this person if they were as worried about the Iraq deal as she and GHW were. She indicated that GHW was so worried that he was losing sleep over the deal. But, he did not feel that he could say anything to his son about his concerns.
Ben,Yes, Rumsfeld’s arrogance is primarily what drove (and probably currently drives) his incompetence. What he could not control and screw-up, he would shit upon. He would make a fascinating psycho-history (or as some say, psycho-hatchetry) subject. Woodward’s book is as close to such a treatment now available.
At least he didn’t bring it home like my dog did back in PA!
Hank,
Have you heard of using tomato juice as a skunk spray treatment? I think it works pretty well — maybe what you use is better.
“One that Baker reportedly favors is asking IRAN and SYRIA to come into Iraq to pacify it quickly, using military forces that are far larger than America has used, and that are much more competent than the Iraqi brigades we have trained.”
So, we invite Iran and Syria to partition and absorb Iraq? That is basically what would happen.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
More movement toward partition:
Sunnis Flee Fighting That Has Killed 91BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) – Sunni Muslims were fleeing across theTigris River on Monday, trying to escape a four-day rampage ofsectarian fighting in their Shiite-dominated home city north ofBaghdad. At least 91 people have died – all but 17 of them Sunnis.Sunnis, a minority in the city of Balad, said militiamen hadbeen going door to door, giving them two hours to clear out oftheir homes, and one police officer said the bodies of the city’sSunni minority lay unclaimed in the streets.The government and its police and armed forces appeared unableor unwilling to stop the bloodshed in Balad and its environs thatmay set the standard for the building inter-communal conflictshould it spread further and the pace hasten, which appearedlikely.The Balad fighting exploded Friday with the discovery of theheadless bodies of 17 Shiite workers in an orchard near the city,50 miles north of Baghdad.more …
http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=51180&id=2006101611000001680544
So, is America safer with a Syria-Iran axis controlling the entire region without the opposition from Iraq that existed before? Is America safer with alQuada active in a place where it once was totally unwelcome?
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Skunk vinegarette.
The mixture of Dawn, hydrogen peroxide, and baking soda is the best thing I’ve ever used.
The first time Samson got hit (four times and counting) we tried almost everything. Tomato juice included. A friend in the kennel club recommended that we mix some Massengill in with our dog shampoo.
The next day at work Joyce came back to my office and asked me to go to Wahlgreens and get some Massengill. Right! Probably not.
While I was at Wahlgreens inconspicuously looking around a young girl approached and asked me if she could help me find something. No, I said, just looking. A little later she asked again. No thanks.
Finally she insisted, “Sir, your obviously looking for something, let me help.” “Massengill!” I blurted out. She very professionally escorted me to the proper section and handed me a tiny bottle of the requested product.
“Oh no,” I said, “My problem is much bigger than this!” From the look of shock on her face I realized there was now two of us that no longer wanted to be in the ‘feminine hygene’ section of Wahlgreens!
Hank
Hank – in my case the solution was simple. About a week out in the elements and the dog was fine. Rain in PA has a slightly lower pH then here.
http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=intelligent+falling&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D1f9118241a53180f%26clickedItemRank%3D14%26userQuery%3Dintelligent%2Bfalling%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.answers.com%252Ftopic%252Fintelligent-falling-1%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DMyNS%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.answers.com%2Ftopic%2Fintelligent-falling-1
intelligent fallingIntelligent falling (IF) is a supernatural explanation for the tendency of masses to attract each other that has its roots at least as far back as Isaac Newton. It has recently been brought to public attention as a satirical response to the ongoing “intelligent design” (ID) debate. It proposes that the scientific explanation of gravitational force cannot explain all aspects of the phenomenon, so credence should be given to the idea that things fall because a higher intelligence is moving them.
In a letter to the Reverend Dr. Richard Bentley in 1692, Isaac Newton wrote: “To your second query I answer that the motions which the planets now have could not spring from any natural cause alone but were impressed by an intelligent agent.” In The Scientific Status of Intelligent Design[1], Stephen C. Meyer refers to this statement as “Newton’s famous postulation of special divine intervention to stabilize the orbital motion in the solar system” in developing his argument of the methodological equivalence of naturalistic and non-naturalistic (i.e. supernatural) theories. In David Snoke’s Natural Philosophy: A Survey of Physics and Western Thought, for example, the notion of physics as natural philosophy based on Christian theology and biblical study is revived.
Modern IF “advocates” cite reasoning which closely parallels the arguments used to support “intelligent design”. They assert that theories explaining gravity are not internally consistent nor mathematically reconcilable with quantum mechanics; gravity is, therefore, a “theory in crisis”. They hold that IF should be taught in school along with the theory of gravity so that students can make “an informed decision” on the subject.
more …
Hank,
Your wildlife is similar to what we had on the farm. I remember seeing a bobcat early one morning as I was coming home from taking the hubby to work. The sun was just beginning to come up and I didn’t realize what the animal was until hours later. We were about a mile and a half from the Ninnescah.
Possums used to hide in the evergreen tree at the corner of our porch steps. The dogs would tree them there. Nasty creatures.
And, yes, I’ve seen a few armadillos, too. Up from Oklahoma, I suspect.
When my kids and I moved into Clearwater, there was a family of foxes that lived nearby. After moving to Wichita, I saw a fox running along McLean one night, near the Pawnee intersection. Obviously, urbanization hasn’t scared all the wildlife away. Rabbits in my backyard now are common. Not to mention the tailless squirrel in our neighbor. *grin*
Hey Ben,
Bearded Collies have more hair than the average dog. Much more hair. The elements do tend to correct the problem in time. However, for a big hairy house dog immediate attention is called for.
I could tell where the incident happened in our back yard rather easily this morning. After a few days it will go away.
Samson is a house dog. Zoom is a house dog. Both have a lot of hair. With Samson’s first time the odor lasted for quite a while despite many and various applications. For a couple of months it would return whenever he was wet. The Dawn, etc., solution is the only thing that finally killed it.
Wash with Dial liquid soap a couple of times (we buy it by the gallon) then a couple of good washes with the Dawn solution. Then in a day or two, use the Dawn solution again to get rid of any residual phew.
If by some chance they make it to the futon, Fabreeze works pretty good. (Another product we buy in bulk!)
Hank
(Tomato juice is good for the ‘post emergency’ cleanup. I mix it with vodka, hot sauce….)
hahaha …
Yea, Tino was a Samoyed-shepard-collie mix and an outdoor dog. That made it easier.
He would have liked your ‘post-emergency’ remedy too.
Hey RD,
We have a big ’she possum’ that lives in our culvert in front of our house. Nocturnal, doesn’t get involved with the dogs much. I agree, nasty!
We have two red foxes that I see occasionally, early in the morning or at dusk. Again nocturnal. If you see skunks, ‘possums, foxes or bobcats in the middle of the day, stay away from them! They are probably rabid.
I’ve seen a red fox a couple of times at Botanica. A very nice place to live!
Hank
We used to have a family of foxes that lived in one of our outbuildings. For several years they raised their kits. We sit and watch them romp and play in the evenings.Thankfully we don’t get many opossums or coyotes.We’ve got a TON of rabbits. Oreo and my 3 year old like to chase them. My 3 year old will creep up on them and yell “GRRRRRR” to scare them. She thinks that is so much fun.
As a runner I’ve been sprayed twice by skunks, a long time ago and twice within 3 years. At the time of my first encounter with a skunk, I worked 3rd shift and in the fall I loved to head out about 9pm for brisk hour running to, in, and back from our local cemetery.
Of course, fall is when a skunk’s roaming range is most likely to overlap that of humans due to the impending onset of winter. In Kansas towns they like to scavenge your trash in the evening and then spend the (cold) night in the sewer.
The first time I got sprayed I ran out my back gate, by my trash, and felt just a spritz of water on my bare legs. Somehow I just knew right away that I’d been skunked. This was uncomfortable because I had to hang out in the cold – which is actually pretty pleasant if your body is heated by exercise but is pretty miserable if you’re standing around in Pearl Izumi running trunks in the cold – and not much else – and smelling like hell. Wife ran to the store and bought a gallon of tomato juice, I washed up in the bathtub, and the smell was killed outright. Had to throw out the Izumi’s, though, as well as socks, shoes, and my t-shirt. Soaked even the shoes in even more tomato juice but no dice.
Second time I got sprayed I was working first shift and got hit after I scared a skunk who’d just awakened and was emerging from a city sewer grate in the street. Another easy cleanup because although I wasn’t smart enough to avoid a just-up skunk I was smart enough to stockpile some tomato juice. Again, the smell on me was taken care of but the clothes had to be chucked.
Interesting recipe Hank has, though. I think it’s a surface area problem; tomato juice can effectively scour the minimum surface area posed by human skin but given more area it fails. Hence tomato juice works on skin but not on clothes or, in what’s approaching the maximum amount of surface area, dog fur.
Weird thing about being sprayed by a skunk is that up close and personal the musk smells like a very powerful, and not altogether unpleasant (!) garlic. Yeah, really. Maybe you have to really like garlic (I do), but it’s really not that bad. It’s just really, really strong. It’s only when the smell ages by either time or distance that it takes on that really unpleasant muskiness.
Dawn, H2O2, and NaHCO3: thanks, I’ll have to remember that!
I wonder how the “oxy” bleaches based in perborates would work?
and chlorine bleach for fabrics … although they are probably not worth the effort.
Hehehe, funny stories there . . . and well-written, Hank!
Here are two links for the state compact proposal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
http://www.fairvote.org/?page=1004&articlemode=showspecific&showarticle=1271
According to the LA Times, both houses of the California legislature passed the bill, but the Governator vetoed it two weeks ago.
Here is a critique of the proposal in the Wall Street Journal written by Pete Du Pont.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pdupont/?id=110008855
“For more than 200 years America has chosen its presidents as the Constitution provides: through the Electoral College.”
Not entirely true. The original intent was that we would actually elect PEOPLE who would then exercise their judgement. Can anyone here tell me who they voted for for ELECTORS in 2004? I doubt it.
We used to also have our state legislatures select US Senators. That was changed long ago. It is time to follow suit with president.
I concur on the Massengill story – well written and funny! It reminded me of Garrison Keillor(that’s a compliment).
CapnAmerica, Joe Williams made that bet with a poster who went by the nickname “Galahad.” How is it that you are claiming the prize?
Steve, CapnAmerica isn’t claiming the prize, he’s asking it be sent to the person Joe made the bet with. I won’t be surprised if the mailbox remains empty. Conservatives aren’t known for their honesty.
The fair question that follows is: How many nics have we “known” YOU by “original_steve”?
Who is it that made the bet, Doug? I think you have misread. Besides, you have let your bigotry show through.
Isn’t it interesting that since I asked Joe Williams to pay up, he hasn’t been heard from?
A Joe Williams-free blog, that’s worth 50 bucks right there.
Changing the subject, here is proof that a military lawyer better not do his job too well:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15189555/
This kind of thing happened, from time to time, when I was in the USAF (but not, I hasten to add, to a military attorney who had gone to the Supremes, as there weren’t any, to my recollection), and I had hoped the days of this were gone. Yes, I suspect retribution; unless things have dramatically changed, the military is short of experienced, seasoned attorneys, and passing this attorney over for promotion is, I regretfully submit, was not a “coincidence”.
.morg–
I figured out how to copy the DVD “Iraq for Sale” you wanted.
It required a 8 GB disc instead of the usual 4.7.
Anyway, e-mail me at wally_o66@yahoo.com so I can get your contact info.
Thanks.
Or maybe that was somebody else that wanted the copy . . . hmmm . . . oh, well.
I’ll send out a group e-mail and see what happens.
another fine example of GOP ethics
FBI raids homes of Weldon child, friendMARYCLAIRE DALEAssociated PressMEDIA, Pa. – The FBI raided the homes of Rep. Curt Weldon’s daughter and a close friend Monday as it investigates whether the congressman improperly helped the pair win lobbying and consulting contracts.
Agents searched four locations in the Philadelphia area and two in Jacksonville, Fla., said Debbie Weierman, an FBI spokeswoman in Washington. The congressman’s home and his offices were not among the locations searched, she said.
Earlier Monday, Weldon called the investigation politically motivated and called the timing suspect. The Republican, who is locked in a tight re-election bid and has clashed with the Bush administration, denied wrongdoing and said he gave his daughter no special help.
“What I find ironic, if there is an investigation, is that no one would tell me until three weeks before the election,” Weldon said at an appearance in Media. “This incident was 2 1/2 years ago.”
Weierman confirmed that the six raids included Karen Weldon’s home in Philadelphia; the Springfield home of Charles Sexton, her business partner and the congressman’s close friend; and the office of their company, Solutions North America, in Media.
Federal investigators are looking into whether Weldon used his influence to help the company secure lobbying contracts worth $1 million from foreign clients, two people familiar with the inquiry told The Associated Press.
Weldon, a 10-term Republican from the Philadelphia suburbs and vice chairman of the House Armed Services committee, is in a close race for re-election on Nov. 7 against Democrat Joe Sestak. Last week, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee mailed fliers to voters in Weldon’s district accusing Karen Weldon of getting help from her father on lobbying projects.
Weldon said his daughter received no special consideration because of him.
“I’ve never helped my daughter get anything. My kids are qualified on their own,” Weldon said.
The congressman also raised questions about the need for a Justice Department investigation, noting that the House Ethics Committee looked into his daughter’s contracts soon after The Los Angeles Times reported on them in February 2004. He said he has cooperated fully, turning over 150 pages in documents and answering the committee’s questions.
In Florida, an office and a residence in Jacksonville were searched, said FBI spokesman Jeff Westcott. It was not immediately clear how those locations were related to the case, but a law enforcement official in Washington said the inquiry could involve people beyond Weldon, his daughter or Sexton.
The search warrants were executed, in part, because of news reports over the weekend exposing the federal investigation, according to the Washington official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing inquiry. Typically, such searches are sped up to prevent any evidence from being destroyed.
Weldon, regarded by some as a foreign policy expert, has clashed at times with the Bush administration. In the last year, he has repeatedly said a secret military unit called “Able Danger” used data-mining to link four Sept. 11 hijackers to al-Qaida more than a year before the attacks. A Pentagon report rejected the idea.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/15773356.htm
In the interest of equal time, here’s are some of the Democrats.
Ian’s idea of the VLRB is sounding better everyday (/sarcasm).
William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the Senate. Scandals include Whitewater – Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate – Filegate – Vince Fostergate – Whitewater Billing Recordsgate – Paula Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate – Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons Dealersgate – Lippogate – Chinagate – The Lewinsky Affair – Perjury and Jobs for Lewinskygate – Kathleen Willeygate – Web Hubbell Prison Phone Callgate – Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate – Jaunita Broaddrick Gate – Lootergate – Pardongate
Edward Moore Kennedy – Democrat – U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.
Barney Frank – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981 to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman’s Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.
DNC – The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents left the country or the corporations are defunct.
Sandy Berger – Democrat – National Security Advisor during the Clinton Administration. Berger became the focus of a criminal investigation after removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings.
Robert Torricelli – Democrat – Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal gifts he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations from 1996.
James McGreevey – Democrat – New Jersey Governor . Admitted to having a gay affair. Resigned after allegations of sexual harassment, rumors of being blackmailed on top of fundraising investigations and indictments.
Jesse Jackson – Democrat – Democratic candidate for President. Admitted to having an extramarital affair and fathering a illegitimate child.
Gary Condit – Democrat – US Democratic Congressman from California. Condit had an affair with an intern. Condit, covered up the affair and lied to police after she went missing. No charges were ever filed against Condit. Her remains were discovered in a Washington DC park..
Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde – Democrat – the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.
Daniel David Rostenkowski – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in federal prison.
Melvin Jay Reynolds – U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995. Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and sentenced to five years in prison.
Charles Coles Diggs, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Michigan from 1955 to 1980. Convicted on eleven counts of mail fraud and filing false payroll forms- sentenced to three years in prison.
George Rogers – Democrat – Massachusetts State House of Representatives from 1965 to 1970. M000ember of Massachusetts State Senate from 1975 to 1978. Convicted of bribery in 1978 and sentenced to two years in prison.
Don Siegelman – Democrat Governor Alabama – indicted in a bid-rigging scheme involving a maternity-care program. The charges accused Siegelman and his former chief of staff of helping Tuscaloosa physician Phillip Bobo rig bids. Siegelman was accused of moving $550,000 from the state education budget to the State Fire College in Tuscaloosa so Bobo could use the money to pay off a competitor for a state contract for maternity care.
John Murtha, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator
Gerry Eastman Studds – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.
James C. Green – Democrat – North Carolina State House of Representatives from 1961 to 1977. Charged with accepting a bribe from an undercover FBI agent, but was acquitted. Convicted of tax evasion in 1997.
Frederick Richmond – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New York from 1975 to 1982. Arrested in Washington, D.C., in 1978 for soliciting sex from a minor and from an undercover police officer – pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. Also – charged with tax evasion, marijuana possession, and improper payments to a federal employee – pleaded guilty.
Raymond Lederer – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1977 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting – convicted of bribery and sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.
Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Senator from New Jersey from 1959 to 1970. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Allegedly accepted an 18% interest in a titanium mine. Convicted of nine counts of bribery, conspiracy, receiving an unlawful gratuity, conflict of interest, and interstate travel in aid of racketeering. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $50,000.
Frank Thompson, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1955 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting, convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges. Sentenced to three years in prison
Michael Joseph Myers – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1976 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting – convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000; expelled from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980.
John Michael Murphy – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New York from 1963 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted of conspiracy, conflict of interest, and accepting an illegal gratuity. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.
John Wilson Jenrette, Jr – Democrat – U.S. Representative from South Carolina from 1975 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges and sentenced to prison
Neil Goldschmidt – Democrat – Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as Mayor of Portland.
Alcee Lamar Hastings – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Florida. Impeached and removed from office as federal judge in 1989 over bribery charges.
Marion Barry – Democrat – mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in prison.
Mario Biaggi – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to 1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return for influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering charges and convicted on 15 felony counts.
Lee Alexander – Democrat – Mayor of Syracuse, N.Y. from 1970 to 1985. Was indicted over a $1.5 million kickback scandal. Pleaded guilty to racketeering and tax evasion charges. Served six years in prison.
Bill Campbell – Democrat – Mayor of Atlanta. Indicted and charged with fraud over claims he accepted improper payments from contractors seeking city contracts.
Frank Ballance – Democrat – Congressman North Carolina. Pleaded guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering related to mishandling of money by his charitable foundation.
Hazel O’Leary – Democrat – Secretary of Energy during the Clinton Administration – O’leary took trips all over the world as Secretary with as many 50 staff members and at times rented a plane, which was used by Madonna during her concert tours.
Lafayette Thomas – Democrat – Candidate for Tennessee State House of Representatives in 1954. Sheriff of Davidson County, from 1972 to 1990. Indicted in federal court on 54 counts of abusing his power as sheriff. Pleaded guilty to theft and mail fraud; sentenced to five years in prison.
Mary Rose Oakar – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Ohio from 1977 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of funneling $16,000 through fake donors.
David Giles – Democrat – candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.
Gary Siplin – Democrat state senator Florida- found guilty of third-degree grand theft of $5,000 or more, a felony, and using services of employees for his candidacy.
Edward Mezvinsky – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Iowa from 1973 to 1977. Indicted on 56 federal fraud charges.
Lena Swanson – Democrat – Member of Washington State Senate in 1997. Pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting unlawful payments from veterans and former prisoners of war.
Abraham J. Hirschfeld – Democrat – candidate in Democratic primary for U.S. Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1 million to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his business partner.
Henry Cisneros – Democrat – U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1993 to 1997. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of lying to the FBI.
James A. Traficant Jr. – Member of House of Representatives from Ohio. Expelled from Congress after being convicted of corruption charges. Sentenced today to eight years in prison for accepting bribes and kickbacks.
John Doug Hays – Democrat – member of Kentucky State Senate from 1980 to 1982 Found guilty of mail fraud for submitting false campaign reports stemming from an unsuccessful run for judge. He was sentenced to six months in prison to be followed by six months of home confinement and three years of probation.
Henry J. Cianfrani – Democrat – Pennsylvania State Senate from 1967 to 1976. Convicted on federal charges of racketeering and mail fraud for padding his Senate payroll. Sentenced to five years in federal prison.
David Hall – Democrat – Governor of Oklahoma from 1971 to 1975. Indicted on extortion and conspiracy charges. Convicted and sentenced to three years in prison.
John A. Celona – Democrat – A former state senator was charged with the three counts of mail fraud. Federal prosecutors accused him of defrauding the state and collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from CVS Corp. and others while serving in the legislature. Celona has agreed to plead guilty to taking money from the CVS pharmacy chain and other companies that had interest in legislation. Under the deal, Celona agreed to cooperate with investigators. He faces up to five years in federal prison on each of the three counts and a $250,000 fine
Allan Turner Howe – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to 1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.
Jerry Cosentino – Democrat – Illinois State Treasurer. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud – fined $5,000 and sentenced to nine months home confinement.
Joseph Waggonner Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Louisiana from 1961 to 19 79. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute
Albert G. Bustamante – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Texas from 1985 to 1993. Convicted in 1993 on racketeering and bribery charges and sentenced to prison.
Lawrence Jack Smith – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Florida from 1983 to 1993. Sentenced to three months in federal prison for tax evasion.
David Lee Walters – Democrat – Governor of Oklahoma from 1991 to 1995. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor election law violation.
James Guy Tucker, Jr. – Democrat – Governor of Arkansas from 1992 to 1996. Resigned in July 1996 after conviction on federal fraud charges as part of the Whitewater investigation.
Walter Rayford Tucker – Democrat – Mayor of Compton, California from 1991 to 1992; U.S. Representative from California from 1993 to 1995. Sentenced to 27 months in prison for extortion and tax evasion.
William McCuen – Democrat – Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1985 to 1995. Admitted accepting kickbacks from two supporters he gave jobs, and not paying taxes on the money. Admitted to conspiring with a political consultant to split $53,560 embezzled from the state in a sham transaction. He was indicted on corruption charges. Pleaded guilty to felony counts tax evasion and accepting a kickback. Sentenced to 17 years in prison.
Walter Fauntroy – Democrat – Delegate to U.S. Congress from the District of Columbia from 1971 to 1991. Charged in federal court with making false statements on financial disclosure forms. Pleaded guilty to one felony count and sentenced to probation.
Carroll Hubbard, Jr. – Democrat – Kentucky State Senate from 1968 to 1975 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1975 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to conspiring to defraud the Federal Elections Commission and to theft of government property; sentenced to three years in prison.
Joseph Kolter – Democrat – member of Pennsylvania State House of Representatives from 1969 to 1982 and U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1983 to 1993. Indicted by a Federal grand jury on five felony charges of embezzlement at the U.S. House post office. Pleaded guilty.
Webster Hubbell – Democrat – Chief Justice of Arkansas State Supreme Court in 1983. Pleaded guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges – sentenced to 21 months in prison.
Nicholas Mavroules – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1979 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to charges of tax fraud and accepting gratuities while in office.
Carl Christopher Perkins – Democrat – Kentucky State House of Representatives from 1981 to 1984 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1985 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud in connection with the House banking scandal. Perkins wrote overdrafts totaling about $300,000. Pleaded guilty to charges of filing false statements with the Federal Election Commission and false financial disclosure reports. Sentenced to 21 months in prison.
Richard Hanna – Democrat – U.S. Representative from California from 1963 to 1974. Received payments of about $200,000 from a Korean businessman in what became known as the “Koreagate” influence buying scandal. Pleaded guilty and sentenced to federal prison.
Angelo Errichetti – Democrat – New Jersey State Senator was sentenced to six years in prison and fined $40,000 for his involvement in Abscam.
Daniel Baugh Brewster – Democrat – U.S. Senator from Maryland. Indicted on charges of accepting illegal gratuity while in Senate.
Thomas Joseph Dodd – Democrat – U.S. Senator from Connecticut. Censured by the Senate for financial improprieties, having diverted $116,000 in campaign and testimonial funds to his own use
Edward Fretwell Prichard, Jr. – Democrat – Delegate to Democratic National Convention from Kentucky. Convicted of vote fraud in federal court in connection with ballot-box stuffing. Served five months in prison.
Jerry Springer – Democrat – Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974 after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was found in a police raid on a massage parlor.
Guy Hamilton Jones, Sr. – Democrat -Arkansas State Senate. Convicted on federal tax charges and expelled from the Arkansas Senate.
Daniel Flood – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1945 to 1947, 1949 to 1953 and 1955 to 1980. Pleaded guilty to a conspiracy charge involving payoffs and sentenced to probation.
Otto Kerner, Jr – Democrat – Governor of Illinois from 1961 to 1968. While serving as Governor, he and another official made a gain of over $300,000 in a stock deal. Convicted on 17 counts of bribery, conspiracy, perjury, and related charges. Sentenced to three years in federal prison and fined $50,000.
George Crockett, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Michigan. Served four months in federal prison for contempt of court following his defense of a Communist leader on trial for advocating the overthrow of the government.
Cornelius Edward Gallagher – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1959 to 1973. Indicted on federal charges of income tax evasion, conspiracy, and perjury
Mark B. Jimenez – Democrat fundraiser – sentenced to 27 months in prison on charges of tax evasion and conspiracy to defraud the United States and commit election financing offenses.
Bobby Lee Rush – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Illinois. As a Black Panther, spent six months in prison on a weapons charge.
Bolley ”Bo” Johnson – Democrat – Former Florida House Speaker – received a two-year term for tax evasion.
Roger L. Green – Democrat – Brooklyn Democrat Assemblyman. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for accepting travel reimbursement for trips he did not pay for and was sentenced to fines and probation.
Gloria Davis – Democrat – Bronx assemblywoman. Pleaded guilty to second-degree bribe-taking.
Mr. KIA,
All of which proves…what precisely?
-That Jack Abramoff wasn’t buying influence at all levels in the Republican Party?
-That Ken Mehlman wasn’t lying about his lack of contacts with Jack Abramoff?
-That Denny Hastert and senior House leadership hadn’t been warned about warned about Representative Mark Foley’s pursuit of male House pages a number of years ago, while doing nothing?
-That Tom Delay wasn’t laundering illegal campaign contributions through third parties?
-That Curt Weldon wasn’t using his Congressional influence to steer multimillion dollar contracts toward members of his own family?
The difference, Mr. KIA, is the overall pattern of corruption and influence peddling, and its pervasiveness throughout all ranks of the conteomporary Republican Party.
The other difference is that it used to be the case that the House and the Senate exercised their oversight functions with respect to waste, fraud, and abuse. Under GOP control, there has been no such oversight. The Republican Party, at all levels, uses its Federal hegemony to reward its friends and punish its enemies.
The GOP has constructed the ultimate Congressional corruption machine. It doesn’t matter how long a list you can compile, Mr. KIA. What the GOP has accomplished is qualitatively unlike anything that has previously existed. And they did it in a mere twelve years.
The Republican culture of corruption is absolute.
Capn, I couldn’t agree with you more!
KIA–just like a Republican, living in the past.
and leads off with a bunch of meanless ficticious “gates”
“William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the Senate. Scandals include Whitewater – Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate – Filegate – Vince Fostergate – Whitewater Billing Recordsgate – Paula Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate – Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons Dealersgate – Lippogate – Chinagate – The Lewinsky Affair – Perjury and Jobs for Lewinskygate – Kathleen Willeygate – Web Hubbell Prison Phone Callgate – Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate – Jaunita Broaddrick Gate – Lootergate – Pardongate”
Lots of allegations; very little proof.
Ben,
I wish you would have told me that you were really a lady in drag. You really should have thought of that before making the moves on me.
It will take some time get used to the idea, but I’ll give you another chance. Please call soon.
Frank
I know the person who wrote this story, please help me spread this around to get her story out. With all the child abductions and missing autistic children, we wonder why we only hear about what happens to them after the fact. I hope she gets a lawyer. This has NOT been forwarded by email, she sent this story TO ME personally to spread the word.
We live in Kenosha Wisconsin. I have a 10 y/o son with high functioningautism named Noah. He has successfully ridden the regular ed bus, withno behavior problems on the bus or at school for 3 years. He isincluded in a regular education 4th grade class for 70% of his day. hecommunicates at a 6 y/o level.
I went out 5 min before Noah get’s home to wait for his bus and he wasacross the street at the corner of a busy intersection crying( alight, a gas station and a large chain grocery store are at thisintersection)I went across the street and got him. He told me the subbus driver( there hasn’t been a regular route driver for weeks)stopped at the gas station and said Noah this is your stop you need toget off. Noah then told her this isn’t my stop my house is over thereand pointed across the street. The bus driver then told him I don’thave time for this, get off this is your stop. He said no,I can’tcross that street. She said tough and he got off the bus. I asked himwhy he got off the bus and his response was she is an adult and Ididn’t want to be naughty.
I got him in the house and calmed him down. I then calledtransporation. I spoke with Jeff Marx the transportation supervisorwho told me, It’s too late in the day for me to handle this now and Iam off tomorrow, so I will handle this situation and get back with youon Monday. (this happened of a thursday)I told him is there someoneelse who will be available tomorrow that can handle this? He said No,I will call you on Monday. I then called his special ed teacher, whoacted horrified that this had happened and said to let her know whatcomes of it all on monday.
Monday morning I called transportation at 8:30 am and was told JeffMarx would be back in the office after 9 am… I called at 9:30 am andwas told he was unavailable and let a message for him to call me. At11:30 I STILL had heard nothing back from him and left anothermessage. At 1:45 another message. At 2:30 I called and told thesecretary that I had been waiting all day to hear back from him, thatthis was important and to get a hold of him and tell him I expected acall back. She said I will get ahold of him and let him know you areinsisting on a call back.
Then 30 minutes later he called me back and said Mrs. Bors I havelooking into this matter, and if Noah can’t seem to keep himself safof the regular bus then he will have to ride the short bus. I said,What do you mean keep himself safe, this isn;t Noah’s fault YOURdriver put him in an unsafe situation, and don;t you know better thanto use the terminology “short bus” to a family with a special needschild? He says Mrs. Bors I really don’t have time for a etiquette(sp)lesson from you. I then said, then I don;t have time for a jackasslike you and hung up on him. I called his special ed teacher, who saidwhy would he have to ride the special ed bus? He has been fine on theregular ed bus he didn’t do anything wrong here. She said she wouldlook into it and inform the principal and see what could be done.
Apparently the next morning the Deb Shafer the Principal and JeffMarx the transportation supervisor met and decided (without me) thatNoah could no longer ride the regular ed bus because “they couldn’tensure his safety”( The principal’s words to me after the fact.) Thatafternoon his special ed teacher called me and said Noah will beriding the special ed bus from now on. I said , wait I thought yousaid yesterday that THAT wouldn;t be necessary. She said this is whatis best for him, Jeff Marx says they can;t ensure his safety on theregular ed bus. I told her I didn’t agree to this and Noah hasn’t doneanything wrong. Why does it seem he is being ousted instead of thedriver being delt with? Why has YOUR story changed in the last 24hours? She said Really Mrs. Bors this is what is best you don;t wantto make things harder on Noah do you ? I told her I cannot beleive sheis rolling over for them this way, and that I thought she really caredfor the kids but apparently I was wrong.
I then called the special ed director with no call back. Thesuperintendent Scott Pierce with no call back. I then called WI FACETSand spoke to Pat Patterson the rep for my area. She took all the infoand said she would call the principal Deb Shafer at Somers ( Noah’sschool) and talk to her that there was another issue there that sheneeded to call about too and that she would be back in touch by theend of the day. Well she wasn’t so the next day I called her back, shesaid she hasn’t had a chance to call yet and would right then. Thatwas over a week ago and I have yet to hear back. I then called thenewspaper and spoke with the editor ,Craig Swanson who said he wasassigning a reporter to the story and the reporter would be in contactfor more info. Then I got a call this afternoon from Craig Swansonsaying they would not be going further with the story. I asked why. Hesaid he spoke with the principal Deb Shafer and the superintendentScott Pierce and they had said this is a “he said, she said situation,that cannot be confirmed” and eluded to my mental well being, saying,”sometime’s parenting a child with special needs can be trying on aperson’s mental health I am sure you understand.” I told him that Iwas shocked that they wouild have said that and appaulled that he wasjust going to take THAT as answer and not handle it further. He said Iam sorry that you feel that your family has been wronged here perhapsit’s time for you to seek some professional help. I said,” Wow I can’tbelieve that they would go this far to cover this up and that youcan’t see through this.” He said you have a nice day Ma’am and hung upon me.
Frank Jones ???????
You are a REAL joke – and a bad one at that! You must be a “friend” of Foley’s!
Why yes! I AM a friend of Foley. What’s wrong with that? I’m friends with a homosexual. What’s wrong with that? Don’t you like homosexuals?
And your point is? That you like to run around in drag while hiding behind a fake identity? More power to ya! But what’s that got to do with me and your vile accusations?
Typical anonymous Republican!
Oh Ben! Why all the name calling?
Yea “Frank” – why? At 4:07 you initiated name-calling. Why?
as for who “Frank” is:
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I’m sorry. I must have made a mistake when I entered my email address. Please forgive me. We all make little mistakes from time to time. That was so smart of you to test the email address! Oh my you are brilliant! Thank you for noticing my error. I didn’t describe you any different than how you appeared during our secret “get together” the other night. Why are you being so shy now? You sure weren’t the other night!
More lies I see. Gee Frank, don’t you have anything better to do than sit here lying all afternoon?
Lies? What lies? What makes you say that?
Hey “Frank”
We don’t like trolls around here. And why troll Ben? If you are looking for a fight pick me!
Everything you have said about me and your little imaginary “get together” is lies.
I must have really touched a nerve somewhere in my posts for you to come out with your little imaginary lies.
Silly. Please try to be more inclusive and let people discuss things here. This is an open thread I believe. What fight? I see no fight here. You sure do sound tough though.
Oh Ben! A nerve is NOT what you touched! :)
Ever since my lobotomy I have these urges. And, my boyfriend Paul tells me to do this.
Now who is the unkind person to use my name? How rude! ….and here I though I could find people that were nice and kind.
Hey troll you obviously are not a newcomer. Why hide out under a phony nic? You do your politics proud!
JR,
Please provide proof of your accusations. What does this have to do with politics? You don’t know my politis.
Thank you
Stick around Frank – you might pick up a fictitious nobody talking to you saying nonsense – just like you do!
Well I just don’t know what to think now! JR calls me a “troll” (whatever that is) and that I’m not wanted. You, however, advise to to stay.
I highly value your insight. Please advise me on what to do and how to live.
Thank you
Well, “Frank”, you could start with a little honesty. For example, you and I have never met. Then you could use a real identity instead of hiding in the darkness. Then you might even try saying something intelligent!
“Frank Jones,”
Ben Huie is a mensch and a straight-up guy. He’s universally respected on this board by those who agree and disagree with him.
You, by contrast, are a nothing and a nobody. The fact that you’re trying to bait someone of his demonstrable character and veracity him speaks volumes about you.
More to the point, it’s obvious from your attempts to smear him that somebody is projecting a WHOLE BUNCH of his own self-hating homophobia. Judging by your post, you may want to stay out of the men’s rest rooms: you’ve been lookin’ for love in all the wrong places.
Be careful what your bumper stickers say, folks:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/16/sticker.suit.ap/index.html
Stewart was convicted in 2005 of providing material support to terrorists. She had released a statement issused by one of her clients, Omar Abdel-Rahman, a blind sheik sentenced to life in prison for plotting to blow up five New York landmarks and assassinate Egypt’s president.
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LIBERAL DEMOCRATS PARTY OF TRAITORS
awwww…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061016/ap_en_tv/people_bindi_irwin;_ylt=Alnk4cmhQ8gGerkrhQ3xQA1xFb8C;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ–
Im voting Greens party!
On the contrary, Vaughn. I WANT that bumpersticker!
Hank,
Thanks for the chuckles and laughs earlier!
I could easily fall in love with your Beardies. I’ve had a thing for Old English Sheepdogs for many years, and your “family” comes dang close them. They’d definitely do in a pinch. ;)
Dear RD,
I’ve always had a dog and I’ve always been happy with them. But beardies bring me joy.
Hank
Kolbe’s raft trip is starting to sound reminisicent of “Deliverance”.
Thanks C F – but i gotta ask: what’s a “mensch”? Yiddish? Just curious …
It’s a good thing Ben!
I second the comments about Ben’s good character. Great posts.
Com’ere frankie. Let me touch you….