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- By Phillip Brownlee
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The Stones concert was GREAT! For an old boomers band, there sure were a lot of young people there.
Congrats Wichita for bringing a thing like that to town.
kick ass concert great party way to go Wichita who’s next?
Reuters: Ben-Eliezer: Israel should kill Nasrallah at first opportunityTalkbackTitle: How Many Bystanders Is “Acceptable”, Then?Name: Rowan BerkeleyCity: London State: EnglandLong after your profoundly misconceived state [Israel] is dead and gone, I imagine its story will be quoted as an example of the depths human political depravity can reach.
Editorial: Politics of Brute Force2 October 2006SIX weeks after the cease-fire that ended the war between Israel and Lebanon, the last of Israel’s soldiers have left Lebanese soil. They leave after having decimated Lebanon. The 34 days of fighting killed 1,200 Lebanese, mostly civilians and displaced a quarter of a million more. Its bombing campaign sliced the country into pieces and caused more than $2.5 billion in damage. The war left up to a million cluster bomblets many of which remain unexploded in southern Lebanon. And it left Lebanon virtually on its own for a month before the international community finally decided enough was enough with the issuing of UN Security Council Resolution 1701 which called for an international force in southern Lebanon.
Yet despite the destruction wrought by Israel, there is little sense of victory within the Jewish state. In fact, no one in Israel actually disputes that Israel failed in the war on Lebanon. Although the war had widespread support in Israel at its start, by the time it ended, support for Prime Minister Ehud Olmert had tumbled because of the army’s failure to crush Hezbollah. Israel’s army chief Dan Halutz himself aimed criticism at his own troops, qualifying the result in Lebanon as being “mediocre.” Almost 160 Israelis, mostly soldiers, were killed. And Hezbollah is still holding captive two Israeli soldiers whose abduction sparked off the conflict.
The contention in Israel revolves around not whether Israel failed but why and who to hold responsible. Opinion polls show Israelis feel more insecure now than they have at any time over the past 10 years and that they no longer trust the leaders they elected just six months ago. Both results reflect the bitter public mood that followed Israel’s summer military humiliation in Lebanon.
The politics of brute force collapsed in Lebanon. Israel had hoped to revive the deterrent power it had long depended upon, but emerged from the war with the mystique more shattered than ever. Israel’s air force, which has not only been a major component of the deterrent principle but also a long-fabled instrument of offensive battle against Arab resistance, in spite of the enormous destruction it wrought, failed to crush the will of the Lebanese.
The war in Lebanon put paid to that fundamental corollary of Israel, which is to export the war to enemy territory and keep it out of Israeli territory. That Israel’s air force could do nothing to halt the increasingly heavier missile bombardment of northern Israeli towns and cities eventually compelled Israel to send in land forces, which only exacerbated the military predicament.
While Israel sees the deployment of Lebanese troops and a beefed up UN force to southern Lebanon as a success, most Israelis share a sense of unfinished business. Most believe that the fight with Hezbollah is not over once and for all, especially after Hezbollah rejected international calls for it to disarm. To be sure, given the damage done to Israel’s reputation, the chances of Israel launching another all-out onslaught on Lebanon anytime soon is slim. But given Israel’s burning desire to avenge its name, another conflict is not entirely out of the question.—–
Editors?
What ARE you doing?
Threads ’bout values boy Brentie, underpaid apple pickers, school administrators?
I guess you all were busy with the Stones concert or hazing intern Angie?
Where is the thread on Florida Republican congressman and child predator Mark Foley and his Republican co- congressional enablers?
Can you spell COVERUP?
GOP leaders knew of Foley’s e-mails to page
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/nation/15650926.htm
WASHINGTON – House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., was notified early this year of inappropriate e-mails from former Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla., to a 16-year-old page, a top GOP House member said Saturday — contradicting the speaker’s assertions that he learned of concerns about Foley only last week.
Hastert did not dispute the claims of Rep. Thomas Reynolds, R-N.Y., and his office confirmed that some of Hastert’s top aides knew last year that Foley had been ordered to cease contact with the boy and to treat all pages respectfully.
Reynolds, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, became the second senior House Republican to say that Hastert has known of Foley’s contacts for months, prompting Democratic attacks about the GOP leadership’s inaction. Foley abruptly resigned his seat Friday.
House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, told the Washington Post on Friday that he learned in late spring of inappropriate e-mails Foley sent to the Louisiana boy, and that he promptly told Hastert, who appeared to know already of the concerns. Hours later, Boehner contacted the Post to say he could not be sure he had spoken with Hastert.
Saturday’s developments revealed a rift at the highest echelons of House Republican ranks a month before the Nov. 7 election, and they threatened to expand a scandal to a full-blown party dilemma.
Only after Reynolds’s definitive statement did Hastert concede Saturday that he may have been notified of some of the questionable activities of Foley, who was co-chairman of the House caucus on missing and exploited children.
Hastert said, however, that he knew nothing of the sexually explicit instant messages that became public Friday when ABC News and other news outlets reported them. The messages apparently were exchanged with youths other than the 16-year-old.
Republicans appeared to have kept the matter tightly under wraps. Rep. Dale Kildee of Michigan, the only Democratic lawmaker on the page board, said Saturday: “I was never informed of the allegations about Mr. Foley’s inappropriate communications with a House page, and I was never involved in any inquiry into this matter.”
It has been reported that Foley checked into alcohol rehab. Is he trying to pull a Rush Limbaugh here?
If they have the email evidence, he needs to be arrested and charged with whatever crime he is guilty of – not check into some fancy rehab that caters to the rich and powerful.
more … they deliberately put more pages at risk …
“But one House GOP leadership aide, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of losing his job, conceded Republicans had erred in not notifying the three-member, bipartisan panel that oversees the page system. Instead, they left it to the panel chairman, Rep. John Shimkus, R-Ill., to confront Foley.”
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/nation/15658062.htm
Maybe Rush will share his whites with Foley!
If the Republicans had their investigation into Clinton’s sex life with an intern, then I believe an investitation is warranted into the safety and well being of the pages in Congress.
I would think every American would want to know who knew what, when did they know and what did they do about the knowledge?
Those responsible for covering it up should be held accountable and dealt with severely.
Meanwhile, over at the White House …
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/nation/15658062.htm
Falling on His SwordColin Powell’s most significant moment turned out to be his lowest
Sunday, October 1, 2006; W12
It was just a “farewell call.”
As the meeting approached, the White House — which had scheduled it in the first place — inexplicably called the State Department to ask for “talking points” that aides could use to brief the president.
The appointed time found Powell already in the Oval Office for a routine meeting; when it concluded, he lingered as the others left. As Powell later remembered it, Bush seemed puzzled and called after his departing chief of staff, “Where you going, Andy?”
“Mr. President, I think this is supposed to be our farewell call,” Powell prompted.
“Is that why Condi ain’t here?” he recalled the president asking.
That was probably the reason, Powell replied.
Card walked back inside, and the three men sat down. Powell had already decided to use the opportunity — likely his last as secretary of state — to unload.
The war in Iraq was going south, he said after a few moments of small talk, and the president had little time left to turn it around. The administration’s hope was that the upcoming election there would change the dynamics on the ground, and the Iraqi people would finally be ready and able to begin standing up to the insurgents on their own.
But the administration, he pointed out, had entertained such hopes before over the past two years — when it had set up a new legal framework for Iraq, when it had first turned a modicum of government power over to handpicked Iraqis and when ousted dictator Saddam Hussein had been captured — and those hopes had been dashed every time. There would be a window of about two months after the election “to start to see progress,” he told Bush. “If by the first of April this insurgency is not starting to ameliorate in some way, then I think you really have a problem.”
Elections, and talking about democracy, were unlikely to stop the insurgency, he said. Only the fledgling Iraqi army could do that, and it was unclear whether it would ever succeed. Its competence was not just a matter of training, Powell said; it was a question of whether the troops believed in what they were fighting for.
Powell warned about serious internal problems in Bush’s own administration, saying that the power he had given the Pentagon to meddle in diplomacy on issues as widespread as North Korea, Iraq and the Arab-Israeli conflict, along with poisoned personal relations between his State and Defense departments, were seriously undermining the president’s diplomacy. Bush dismissed his concern. It wasn’t any worse, he said, than the legendary battles between State and Defense during the Reagan administration.
The session ended with a cordial handshake, and the secretary returned to the State Department. “That was really strange,” he reported to Wilkerson. “The president didn’t know why I was there.”
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More cluelessness from BushDaBum.
Good commentary on the Foley thing from The High Priest of The Church of The Painful Truth.
http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html
It’s good to see that at least one of the Right-wingers sees this as bad – even though he did have to work in an unsubstantiated attack on Clinton in his piece.
Ben Huie,
Indeed. Can’t let an opportunity go by to smear the Big Dog. Still, Boortz is generally on the mark. It almost sounds as if he has a moral compass.
Heckler,
Good link. Gracias. And I think the heads of Republican House leaders have just begun to roll over this.
As I’ve commented elsewhere, this is just the sort of story that our otherwise incompetent and incapable media is capable of reporting. Which makes the Eagle’s unwillingness to dedicate a thread to this story all the more suspect.
It isn’t just the media CF.
I have just visited my Representative Todd Tiahrts web site. He has not posted a position as to this as of yet. I think his constituents have a right to hear from him on this matter. I hope that will be forthcoming.
Further, the House ethics committee has said they will investigate the matter……AFTER the election! We should not be surprised by this. Alotta carrers might be on the line here. But before folks vote for their representatives, they have a right to know just who was involved in this foul cover up.
It sickens me to see adults, particularly ones in positions of authority, prey on kids. It sickens me to see people try to sweep it under the rug, particularly people in positions of authority. The people who knew about this and did nothing deserve what they get. But the timing of the release of this story sickens me as well. Purely political, how long was someone holding this story, waiting to let it go and do damage?
The whole thing just sickens me. At least I’m not as sick as Mark Foley.
Heckler – on this we agree 100%. Consenting adults OK in my view. But involving kids? Especially from a position of trust? And for Hastert and others to help cover it up …
J R,
I want to know if Tiahrt took money from Foley.
Now if Tiarht comes out in support of Foley like he did for Tom Delay, then there is no reason to vote for Tiahrt. So much for the morally superior Republicans.
At least Bill Clinton had sex with a legal age, consenting female.
I would like to know if Tiarht gave money to Foley.
lucee,
Indeed. I want to know every bit of it.
The Republican Leadership of the House of Representatives has disgraced their offices. They deserve to be held accountable for their actions.
Looks like an FBI investigation has begun to look into the goings-on with Foley. Of course he’s checked himself into a rehab facility for his alcohol problem and other emotional problems. ;)
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CONGRESSMAN_E_MAILS?SITE=NCCON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
This is to bizarre. Would you like this guy to be your kids official Govnt. School Inspector.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=407795&in_page_id=1770
You are living witnesses to the complete disintegration of the European culture. Watch it if you can. It wont be on TV other than the occassional bombing, but the most damage is being done here as elsewhere, in the Academy and through the Government.
Wow! Even Heckler is pissed about a Republican crime and cover up–Neil Boortz is pissed.
Oh Eaaagle staff? Scandal is not just for the Clintons’ anymore.
Are you going to ignore this until it “goes away?”
mr. bill?Oh nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!look out for sluggo
This ordinance is a terrible way to try and solve the homeless problem in our city.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/15658052.htm
Arresting these people for trying to sleep in a park, or stealing the only possessions that they have in the entire world is not only heartless, but more than likely a violation of their civil rights. Contrary to public opinion, most do NOT choose to be homeless and they have nowhere else to go. What good does it do to take their food, coats and blankets that they need to survive this winter? It only drives them back to the overburdoned charities to replace what they lost.
Please, please, PLEASE…. if you know someone or have contact with someone in city government.. ask them not to support this ordinance!! It is NOT the answer, and it will create many unintended consequences for Wichita.
Hey, Mr. Bill,
Now you see why we “Godless liberals” want to keep God out of public schools.
Once you bring prayer and God in, the question is, whose God and whose prayer?
We want to know how many, and what were Foley’s “gifts” to the pages?
By doing what he is doing Foley probably hopes to hide everything behind his supposed medical condition and get off easy. I suspect that Hastert and the rest will now use that as an excuse for their inaction.
KSSam–
You can try to change the council’s minds . . . or you can just get rid of the effing REPUBLICANS.
This is so typically Republican they ought to stamp it with a GOP elephant symbol.
Why Sam, you’re so liberal on this issue.Good for you, I agree.
Tracy,If Jesus was liberal on an issue, then I am liberal on an issue!!The authorities are already hounding these people relentlessly… it’s just not right.
KsSam – my wife’s ‘purple tent’ and sign were stolen from our front yard Saturday night – right about the same time the City was coming up with this. And last week there was a news item about backpacks etc ‘disappearing’. Coincidence?
A principled guy, that kansassam. Refreshing to see one anywhere, let alone on the Right.
Ben…
Actually, the street people have been told of this ordinance for several weeks now. The authorities have been telling them that it is already in effect, and have been enforcing it for awhile now. I believe it was probably the folks behind the proposed ordinance that “pre enforced” it by doing an illegal “sweep” of the downtown area, taking their possessions and trying to get them to leave!
Thanks KsSam – I hope that Focht raises hell about this. One thing I don’t think City authorities have anticipated is the heavy involvement of so many churches in this. Our ‘tent’ that was stolen from our private property came via that route.
Ben,Yes.. the churches are involved in a piecemeal way.. each doing their own thing. Wouldn’t it be an amazing thing if they would actually come together on this issue and actually “SOLVE” 90-95% of the problem?
SAM-THAT’S GREAT.
WWJD?Whatever these neocons are doing–that’s not it.
KsSam – I think there is a concerted effort underway to bring them all together. This will also enable those of us who are “unchurched” to participate (via Catholic Charities for example)
The Amish school shooting got some thoughts going through my brain.
Schools have fire drills.Many schools have tornado drills.(regionally applicable I suppose)
Do any schools have Crazed Gunman drills?
If banning guns from schools can protect children from crazed gunmen, why don’t we ban tornados and fires from schools? 1000 yard tornado free school zones?
We take our nations most valuable resources and put them all in little boxes and for the most part they have ZERO protection against the most violent and sick members of our society. Who’s crazy here?
Heck, yes SOME schools have plans in place and practice them.Most involve locking all the kids down where they are at, while alerting authorities.In Altamont KS., 10 miles from where I’m at, there was a ‘false alarm’ just a couple of weeks ago.An older kid was walking the parking lot, and somebody panicked.Last year at the same school they busted several kids who were dreaming up an attack.I do believe that they have plans.
I see you’re too smart to get into the shitslinging over Foley.conrads on that.
conrads? hmmmm…congrads.
Heckler, there are no “crazed gunman drills”, but there are so-called lockdown drills as a part of the schools’ crisis plans here in Wichita. One wonders if the peaceful, good Amish people could even contemplate the evil which was done at the school; I read the school was a “one room” school, thus “locking down” would not have done any good.
One option, of course, is to make school buildings like maximum security penal institutions. You likely wouldn’t care for this; most people would not. The implicit point you make about the idea of a centralized building for schooling has some limited validity, outweighed by the need for society to monitor the education of our young people. Yes, I believe proper education is too valuable to be solely left in the hands of the educators, the parents must be involved, too; but, with the apathetic parents I have met, the education of our younger generations is too important to be left solely in their hands, too.
What would you do?
Tough question. I think vaughn hit a real problem – “it can’t happen here” And with so many crazy things that can happen how do you plan/drill?
Have the Wichita schools ever had a hurricane drill? That response would be different from a tornado or fire.
Tracy
I could dive in but it would be kind of pointless. I’m interested in just how much detail the house leadership knew. I’m speculating that they didnt know a lot, but we’ll see I guess.
I could get into talk of double standards and people like Mel Reynolds but I’m just not in the mood.
Vaughn
What would I do? Get over this “gun free shool” crap. Arm any teachers and administrators willing to take some basic training. They wouldnt be trained to ‘go after’ shooters, but as part of the “lock down” training they would be trained to defend their “room”. Any parent with a state issued CCW license and any parent with LEO credentials would be allowed to carry in school.
It wouldnt be a cure-all and it may not have helped the kids in that Amish school but it’s certainly better than just teaching everyone to go hide in a corner and wait to be slaughtered like a herd of sheep.
YES I would prefer to have my daughters kindergarten teacher pack a pistol(provided she knew how to use it).
BAD BAD BAD idea heckler.
Imagine a routine scuffle between an armed teacher or school administrator and an unruly student. Kid grabs for gun…..tragedy. A tragedy that does not happen with unarmed teachers.
Heck, the truth will kinda come out on Foley.Laying low is a good move for repubs right now.outies over there shootin his mouth off and diggin himself in deeper with every word.You are apparently smarter than that.
Jr
“Routine Scuffle”???
If you are in a school where scuffles between students and teachers is routine you have a problem.Tolerating stuff like that simply invites more of it. You need School Resource officers if that’s the case. And if you have a kid that’s violent enough to take on an armed teacher you simply have a criminal and if he gets shot I don’t necessarily consider that a tragedy.
Yea JR,
That’s the answer, for heaven’s sake don’t let a teacher have a gun! It would be a lot safer to let her be a defenselss target just like the children.
Responsoble enough to teach our children, but to irresponsible to carry a gun!
Do you think these dirt balls would target schools if they knew the treachers were armed?
Hank
Thank you for better showing just what sort of person you are Heckler. Fortunately cooler heads than you are in charge.
CUT AND RUN?
“Taliban should be in Afghan gov’t
QALAT, Afghanistan – xxx said Monday that the Afghan war against Taliban guerrillas can never be won militarily and called for efforts to bring the Islamic militia and its supporters into the Afghan government.”
Should that be considered “cut and run”? (link to follow with more details – including the identity of the person calling for it”
I believe that the new concealed carry laws would apply?Even for a teacher going to teach?Just asking.
Good questions, Tracy; I think we both know the answers thereto, but it will be interesting to receive the response.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/02/world/africa/02ivory.html?_r=2&th&emc=th&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
This why they hate us:ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast, Sept. 28 — It was his infant son’s cries, gasping and insistent, that first woke Salif Oudrawogol one night last month. The smell hit him moments later, wafting into the family’s hut, a noxious m?©lange reminiscent of rotten eggs, garlic and petroleum.
Candace Feit for The New York TimesSix-month-old Salam Oudrawogol of Abidjan, Ivory Coast, has been covered with sores since he was exposed to toxic waste in August. More Photos ¬ªMr. Oudrawogol went outside to investigate. Beside the family’s compound, near his manioc and corn fields, he saw a stinking slick of black sludge.
“The smell was so bad we were afraid,” Mr. Oudrawogol said. “It burned our noses and eyes.”
Over the next few days, the skin of his 6-month-old son, Salam, bloomed with blisters, which burst into weeping sores all over his body. The whole family suffered headaches, nosebleeds and stomach aches.
How that slick, a highly toxic cocktail of petrochemical waste and caustic soda, ended up in Mr. Oudrawogol’s backyard in a suburb north of Abidjan is a dark tale of globalization. It came from a Greek-owned tanker flying a Panamanian flag and leased by the London branch of a Swiss trading corporation whose fiscal headquarters are in the Netherlands. Safe disposal in Europe would have cost about $300,000, or perhaps twice that, counting the cost of delays. But because of decisions and actions made not only here but also in Europe, it was dumped on the doorstep of some of the world’s poorest people.
So far eight people have died, dozens have been hospitalized and 85,000 have sought medical attention, paralyzing the fragile health care system in a country divided and impoverished by civil war, and the crisis has forced a government shakeup.
.morg – in this Europe is still much worse than the US.
I know Ben but we tend to get lumped in because, we push globalization, were industrialized,offshore allot of jobs to third world countries, exploit the environment on and on.
But on the bright side I found a new Republican scandal site:
http://www.armchairsubversive.com/
Did anyone see the story about the mother being charged for leaving a 1 month old infant with the child’s father, who refused to keep the child and turned it into police as abandonment? THIS IS WHY WOMEN ALWAYS GET PUNISHED FOR HAVING CHILDREN RIGHT HERE WHILE MEN GET OFF SCOTT FREE.
That man has JUST as much responsibility to keep that child as she does, he gets to send the child to a home with no charges, and she gets charged with abandonment.
p-mom – don’t lump all men in that catagory. Many – in fact most – make good parents. Perhaps you missed the story of the mom who had her kids living in a car with her – and then she and her boyfriend gave them crack. Meanwhile the father was ready and willing to give the children a safe and loving home.
Cut & Run – FRIST
but now I cannot find the link …
Why did Abramoff know about the Iraq invasion ahead of time?
Abramoff Knew US Would Invade Iraq in March, 2002by jorndorffSat Sep 30, 2006 at 09:18:04 PM PDTNewly-disclosed e-mails from the Minority Chair of the House Government Reform Committee Henry Waxman provide new areas of insight into Jack Abramoff’s closeness to the Bush administration. Most shocking of all (at least of those I’ve been able to read so far) is that Abramoff off-handedly mentions “the upcoming war in Iraq.” The date–March, 2002.
jorndorff’s diary :: ::The following is available in doc dump two, page 26:
From: Jack AbramoffTo: ‘octagon1′Monday, March 18, 2002 8:31 AMSubject: RE: Sunday
I was sitting yesterday with Karl Rove, Bush’s top advisor, at the NCAA basketball game, discussing Israel when this email came in. I showed it to him. It seems that the President was very sad to have to come out negatively regarding Israel, but that they needed to mollify the Arabs for the upcoming war on Iraq. That did not seem to work anyway. Bush seems to love Sharon and Israel, and thinks Arabfat [sic], is nothing but a liar. I thought I’d pass that on.
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/02/abramoff-knew-us-would-invade-iraq-in-march-2002/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstory%2F2006%2F10%2F1%2F0185%2F88184&frame=true
To provide some context to the date March 18, 2002:Most importantly, this is seven months before Congress authorized the president to go war. I give you this internal background of what the administation was up to with the unstated immensity that the Bush administration was at the time publically denying any resolved intention of invading Iraq. Indeed, it remained quite vocally non-committed for many months after the Abramoff e-mail and the Downing Street Memos had been written.
Just four days earlier, David Manning penned what came to be known as the third of the Downing Street Memos. Manning, then-foreign policy chief to prime minister Tony Blair, recounts a meeting between Blair and then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice.
“Condi’s enthusiasm for regime change is undimmed. But there were some signs, since we last spoke, of greater awareness of the practical difficulties and political risks…. From what she said, Bush has yet to find answers to the big questions:
* How to persuade international opinion that military action against Iraq is necessary and justified;* What value to put on the exiled Iraqi opposition;* How to coordinate a US/allied military campaign with internal opposition (assuming there is any);* What happens the morning after?”
Ben…
I appreciate your heart for the street people. Although we are Christians, we do not require anyone to be one to help out.. you just have to know how to love the unloveable. We do have church services, but we provide for whoever is in need whether they stay for church or not.
It will be interesting to see how far that story goes Ben.
I don’t want to interrupt your point, but I wanted to see if there is any interest out there for another blog meet up.
We have many new posters since the last one back in June. SOME of them might like to put faces with names here.I know it changed the dynamic for me to actually meet some folks from here in person.
So what say you all? Any interest in a meet up?
Editors? If there is an interest in another meet up, what could we do to best accomodate some of you attending?
Anyone who is interested can post that interest here.To our newer posters, three of our meetups had good food and conversation and no one got killed.
Ben I heard about that story, and how do you know that the father is good for the kids too? He may very well be, but you don’t know- maybe the mom was the best of two evils? I hope the state is watching those kids, because wouldn’t that suck if he ends up being worse.
I know that not all fathers are bad guys- my husband now happens to be a fabulous father. And there are some sucky mothers.
My point being that mothers are usually the ones who get stuck with the REAL responsibility of raising the children when the men don’t want to. Even if the mothers want the children, they still should be able to get a break, or have help while they work. Or if they just need to sleep. Having children can be overwhelming, and the fathers need to take responsiblity for their children just as much.
Stones put on an awesome concert last night. Boy was it a packed house.
I was in 10th row baby! Yeah!
:)
Great, Joe, since you don’t mind blowing a hundred bucks on a concert ticket, I’m not going to feel guilty about collecting that 50 bucks you owe me for our little bet on Iraq we made a year ago in October.
CONDI LIED
JIDDA, Saudi Arabia, Oct. 2 — A review of White House records has determined that George J. Tenet, then the director of central intelligence, did indeed brief Condoleezza Rice and other top officials on July 10, 2001 about looming threat from Al Qaeda, a State Department spokesman said on Monday evening.
The account by the spokesman, Sean McCormack, came hours after Ms. Rice, the secretary of state, told reporters aboard her airplane that she did not recall such a meeting and said it was “incomprehensible” she ignored dire terrorist threats two months before the Sept. 11 attacks. Mr. McCormack also said the Bush administration had determined that the Sept. 11 commission had been briefed about the meeting, even though no mention of it appears in the commission’s report.
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Finally, five years too late and a needless war later, the truth is finally coming out.
Man, it’s great to be alive and see the Repukes get what’s coming to them . . .
I would have to say the coolest thing was the moving stage! That was worth it…
There is the reason they are still called the Greatest Rock Band Ever!
Anyone see the news tonight and the video of the Learjet workers acting like spoiled brats?
They attacked a car of a non-union worker trying to go to work and they wonder why that person hit one of them… Lucky it wasnt me, I’d mow them all down. I think WPD should arrest them their acts, rather than standing there and allowing it to happen.
Bunch of babies. They should be grateful for jobs. They should be grateful for health insurance. They have much more than most Wichita workers. Or should i say, non-union workers…
These spoiled brats are used to holding the aircraft companies over the barrel, guess what, those times are over.
I hope Learjet fires every striking worker, give them the option, accept the contract offer (which i think is a very good contract) or be fired.
I’m sure there are plenty of people willing to make that much money.
“Pissed off”
I’m guessing you are hiding out in a different nic from usual.
I am sorry you don’t have a union “pissed”. I don’t blame you for being jealous of union workers. Taft Heartley “right to work” laws make it almost impossible for you to organize a union……that is IF you had the balls to do so.
“Grateful for their jobs”
Bombadier should be grateful and better accomodating of their workers!
“I’m sure there are plenty of people willing to make that much money.”
I walked away from it “pissed”. I could no longer stand the mid management morons running aircraft and the back stabbing opportunists like you.
GOOD on those union workers if they are treating scabs harshly. Folks like that won you your 40 hour week and any benefits you have under the law.
In short “pissed”, (I got an idea who you really are) either grow a pair and stand up to your employer or get back down on your damned knees and concern your mouth with what gets you…..ahead. Quit bitching and being jealous of folks who have more guts than you.
JR
How can I stand up to management? They cant afford to pay me and my fellow employees what LearJet unions get paid.
They would fold in a second if we “stood up”.
40 hour work week? I wish.
Rights under the law? I wish…
People in non-union jobs, people in non manufacturing jobs do twice as much work and get paid half as much.
The Rethuglicans are thinking about admitting defeat in Afghanistan. BIll Frist is debating on whether or not giving the Taliban the rights to run the government.
http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/ap/2006/10/02/asia/AS_GEN_Afghanistan_Frist.php
Weren’t they a theological regime that had no regard for human life and promoted terrorism? No, I’m not talking about Bush but the far right Muslims.
I don’t mean to be hard on ya “pissed”. But you are attacking in the wrong direction.It is difficult to post further since I do not know what it is that you do. SO I cannot address what wages or benefits you could demand from your employer.
I’m tough but fair. I’ve been fair. Now it is time for tough.
“They would fold in a second if we “stood up”.
Um…..so stand up? Or do you mean they would “fold” financially?
“40 hour work week, I wish.”
Well you may work more than 40 hours but if you do you are getting overtime. That is a right won for you by unions. If you are NOT getting overtime I suggest someone seek an attorney.
“Rights under the law? I wish.”
You don’t have to “wish”. Employers have standards to health and safety that they must adhere to to comply with federal law. That is another gift to you from unions. Research your rights under that law if you feel exploited. Don’t attack those on the front line defending and enhancing those rights.
And then you went back to complaining about how union workers have greater pay and rights than you. Again, I sympathize. Again, you are attacking the wrong direction.
JR–isn’t it amazing how the crabs (Pissy Non Union) pull each other down before they let a few of them rise by working together?
People had to die before we got the 40 work week and safe working conditions.
And now Nancy boys like PNU want to kiss management ass harder and harder to show how “grateful” they are for the job.
How about you let management be grateful for once? How about you organize and get what you got coming to you instead of giving it all away to some fat cat checking his portfolio poolside?
“I tell people, to hell with charity, you only get what you’re strong enough to get.” Saul D. Alinsky, union organizer