And the one before it? I could put that together with cut-n-pastes from talk radio. No style or personal depth at all. You did a real good job…..of telling us what RUSH thinks.

Try and be more than a list of talking points and insults.

Good grief, what is that sound coming from the holiest of elite holies, aka President Bush?

Was that a FLIP FLOP!?!? And not coming in, say December, but coming like 16 days from an election and thereby making it about as believable as any other election-eve change of heart? I mean, literally right at a time when we all know he must really, truly, solemnly, cross-his-heart-and-hope-to-die-if-only-voters-will-keep-Pelosi-at-bay REALLY REALLY REALLY mean it!?!?

LOL

Ahem. Seriously, I wonder how that makes the families of dead service men and women feel, not to announce this like when everybody else realized it was a fucked-up strategy, but to wait instead until RIGHT BEFORE AN ELECTION?

Ok, if there was any doubt before, it’s all gone now.

Worst.President.Ever.

Do your own homework.

And BTW, did you ever think that what makes ICT suck is people like you?

Because I have, and you do.

Anyway, you’re going to have quit with the “cut and run” meme.

Your government handlers have a new spin for you.

Check this out:

BUSH: We will stay the course. [8/30/06]

BUSH: We will stay the course, we will complete the job in Iraq. [8/4/05]

BUSH: We will stay the course until the job is done, Steve. And the temptation is to try to get the President or somebody to put a timetable on the definition of getting the job done. We’re just going to stay the course. [12/15/03]

BUSH: And my message today to those in Iraq is: We’ll stay the course. [4/13/04]

BUSH: And that’s why we’re going to stay the course in Iraq. And that’s why when we say something in Iraq, we’re going to do it. [4/16/04]

BUSH: And so we’ve got tough action in Iraq. But we will stay the course. [4/5/04]

TODAY–

STEPHANOPOULOS: James Baker says that he’s looking for something between “cut and run” and “stay the course.”

BUSH: Well, hey, listen, we’ve never been “stay the course,” George.

*****

Tune in to Rush for your new line of attack against Democrats. The old one hasn’t been polling well apparently.

It must be hard for you simple-minded folks who can only repeat Republican spin to keep up with the ever-changing excuses and rationale, but, dammit, you’re going to have to do better if you want to keep the “dumbocrats” out of office.

Now, start hitting the National Review and the Weekly Standard sites to update your programming.

You got it right.

When the Bush official (and total shill) says that 1.3 million Iraqis died under Saddam Hussein’s watch over thirty years, you can calculate that to roughly 40,000 deaths a year.

The new study that came out shows that from our invasion and occupation, 650,000 Iraqis have died and that’s in about 3 years or 200,000 deaths a year.

Iraqis are getting killed at FIVE TIMES THE RATE that they did when Saddam Hussein was in power.

Just because BushCo. has “good intentions” (even if true, which I very much doubt) does not absolve the US from creating the situation that allows these deaths to occur and becomes part ot the active killing mechanism (for instance the revenge killings on the town of Fallujah).

“Judge not by appearances, but judge with right judgement.” Or, to put it another way, “Ye shall know them by their fruits.”

Ya know what Outie? I’m a little sick of people who challenge patriotism. I note you did not define patriotism as I asked you to do. You merely restated your attack on Capn and widened it to include me!

Hey Out? Where are you on the matter of more accumulation of power to the executive and thus subverting the Constitution? Maybe it is YOUR patriotism that must be questioned.

I am not talking about people continuing to die, I am talking about MORE people being killed than there would be if we stay.”Posted by: Nathan | October 22, 2006 at 09:46 AM

You need to prove to me that more people would die if we leave than would die if we stay. It seems perfectly reasonable that a US presence in Iraq only slows the RATE at which Iraqis are killed, not the cumulative total. In other words, it seems reasonable to conclude that an American presence just retards an all-out civil war in Iraq.

If that’s true, then what’s crucial is that the growth in Iraqi deaths decline. If the rate at which Iraqi’s are dying is slowing, then I would grant more weight to your argument that MORE Iraqi’s would die if we left. If, on the other hand, Iraqi deaths are accelerating, then it seems reasonable to grant more weight to the argument that our military footstep there is merely slowing an inevitable all-out civil war.

If we’re merely slowing the inevitable, then we’re not saving Iraqi lives, we’re only prolonging them.

Iraqi deaths are increasing, therefore it seems reasonable to conclude your argument is false.

And because since 2001 the Republicans have voted as a bloc (has Bush vetoed a single Republican act of Congress in the past 5 years?), a vote for ANY Republican is a vote for “stay the course.” But there is strong evidence that our model is broken, that fundamental change is needed. “Stay the course” is exactly the WRONG strategy.

Ergo, only Democrats are capable of fixing Iraq, IF a solution exists.

Perhaps you don’t understand the word MORE in the proper context.

I am not talking about people continuing to die, I am talking about MORE people being killed than there would be if we stay.

Again,

Why can a fix only come from the democrats? Most of them have only suggested leaving on time tables ranging from immediatlely to phased.

Is that the fix you are talking about?

We are fixing things everyday here. Becuase you choose to be ignorant of it or purposefully ignore it is your problem.

Anything to further the Hate Bush speech…

You don’t get it.

Again, when 2 seemingly opposite statements are true at the same time, it’s a strong indicator that fundamental change is needed.

The model is broken, and Bush can’t fix it because he WON’T fix it.

If a fix is possible, it can ONLY come from Democrats.

Just admit it, you don’t care about the Iraqi people, all you care about is using their deaths to further your hate Bush speech.

Anything to further your cause…

I am sick of conservatives running down our country and then getting offended when it is called on them. And sick of conservatives who then mindlessly defend them.

Cuts both ways, outlander.

One of the biggest indicators of a need for fundamental change is when 2 seemingly opposite statements are true at the same time.

One example is outlander’s and my respective statements above.

Another:Iraqi people are being killed, which is Bush’s fault but we shoudl stay anyway, when we leave after a million are dead then even more Iraqi people will be killed in the chaos.

Such circularity means that fundamental changes is needed. Bush is incapable of change. Therefore, we need to change Bush.

Elect Democrats: it’s the ONLY possible path to needed change.

And speaking of 1984 Ben, now we have a “new speak” on the left, that being irrationally critical and insulting of your country is the new patriotism.Steven, I expected some degree of thougthfulness out of you instead of schoolyard insults. I am sick of liberals running down our country and then getting offended when it is called on them. And sick of liberals who then mindlessly defend them.

Who was it that said “Patriortism is the last refuge of scoundrels.

Outlander can you define “patriotism” for us? You should be able to. Your side seems to claim a monopoly on it. Let’s hear from a “patriot” what patriotism is. Cause if it is embracing a lost cause that is helping NO ONE as is the case with bush’s little crusade, I can’t get in with that.

Diplomat cites U.S. ’stupidity’ in IraqHAMZA HENDAWIAssociated PressBAGHDAD, Iraq – A senior U.S. diplomat said the United States had shown “arrogance” and “stupidity” in Iraq but was now ready to talk with any group except Al-Qaida in Iraq to facilitate national reconciliation.In an interview with Al-Jazeera television aired late Saturday, Alberto Fernandez, director of public diplomacy in the Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs at the State Department offered an unusually candid assessment of America’s war in Iraq.”We tried to do our best but I think there is much room for criticism because, undoubtedly, there was arrogance and there was stupidity from the United States in Iraq,” he said.http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/15818708.htm

No, it is the BushBots who are unpatriotic and stupid.

Welcme to 1984; you will do fine in the Ministry of Truth.

“It is really sad that all you on the right can do is constantly attack, attack, attack. You refuse to recognize the reality that your “plan” has been a disaster.”

And you wonder Capn, why you get called unpatriotic.