It takes a big man to admit he’s done wrong. Perhaps that’s why Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla., has opted for an easier way to deal with disgrace: excuses.
Foley wasted no time citing alcoholism as the reason he solicited sex from underage House pages; now he also claims to have been sexually abused as a child. By an unnamed clergyman. Before the day is out, I fully expect him to mention his years of captivity in a Turkish prison.
Please. We don’t need to hear why it was impossible to behave with integrity; things are tough all over.
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Bill Clinton spiked his booze with Rohyptnol.
Saw this great sign in South Dakota that I think fits this situation:
NO SNIVELING
Foley’s lawyer is saying now that ALL of what Foley wrote was written while he was drinking!
So the guy must have been drunk like…….all the time?
Why did his fellow Republicans not pick up on that? Were THEY drinking too?
You can’t make this stuff up!
I heard he got thrown in a Turkish prison for public drunkenness and got sexually abused by the chaplain.
The chaplain was a Muslim, too.
So Foley and the Republicans expect the American public to buy the story that Foley only did his perverted sex-messaging when he was drinking? What a crock.
This is really a sad example of a party who is so bent on keeping their power.
I’ve heard of mean drunks and happy drunks and sad drunks.
So this guy is a “pervert drunk”?
Poor Foley,
All of the excuses that always work with the secular progressive liberal democrats! If…you’re one of them!
Hank
Three prominent Republican congressmen now say Republican speaker of the House Denny Hastert knew about Foley last year.
SO Hastert will have to try and change his story for a third time. Or is it the fourth?
We’re obviously dealing with a sick demented man. Little surprise that instead of accepting personal responsibility for his actions, he resorts to the Blame Game!
Foley is a staunch Republican and that is something the GOP party leadership cannot deny no matter how many ways they spin this mess.
Just the fact these hypocrit Conservative Republicans are defending Foley by either their silence or trying to shift the blame to others, should show the voters exactly what is important to these hypocrits. They are afraid of losing their power – plain and simple.
You cannot tell me that if this would have been a Democrat in Foley’s position, that every Republican would be in front of every news camera demanding the Democrat’s head on a platter.
And wasn’t it poetic that Hastert shows up on Rush Limbaugh’s show yesterday? That choice of his where to go to tell his story tells its own story. The people that support Rush are the very ones that are sitting around trying to justify their leadership’s inability to control one of their own perverts.
Will – are you referring to Hastert?
or maybe “It’s a left wing conspiricy” Hannity?
referring to Foley
The slime bag quotient is going up every hour.
Thanks will – it seems to apply to them as well …
WTF!? Is that gonna be the new “excuse” for pedophiles now? Isn’t it convenient that every pedophile has a like-minded clergy member in his closet!
I don’t even know where he made the connection between pedophilia and alcoholism! What’s next? Blaming potheads for serial killers homicidal tendencies!?
Do we even teach people about accepting responsibility for their actions anymore?
Ask Rush – he did pretty much the same thing!
Excuses are worthless. Foley did what he did, it is considered immoral and borderline criminal by the American people, and not only should he lose his seat in Congress, he should also be arrested and prosecuted within the fullest extent of the law. And his friends and cronies that covered for him, should suffer the same fate.
Jael,
Along those lines, it’s looking like game-set-match for Denny Hastert. Congressman Tom Reynold’s former chief of staff has gone on the record saying that Hastert knew about this stuff TWO YEARS AGO.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CONGRESS_PAGES?SITE=NCMOR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
The issue isn’t the bad apple; it’s the cover-up. The GOP Culture of Corruption goes all the way to the top.
I don’t see any inconsistency in Foley’s behavior and the Republican platform. No gay marriages. No problem, Foley never married the page. No abortions. No problem, this kind of relationship has a zero abortion rate.
more on 2 years …
Report: Hastert’s office warned about Foley two years ago
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/04/hasterts-office-warned-about-foley-two-years-ago/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fus.cnn.com%2F2006%2FPOLITICS%2F10%2F04%2Ffoley.ap%2Findex.html&frame=true
The voters are the ones that will ultimately judge the GOP for their actions or inaction. If the GOP retains full power of the government, God help us all.
Jael,
What do you suppose the charges against Foley should be? What crime did he commit?
Hank
If the Republicans put Bill Clinton through hell for 8 years with all their accusations and investigations, I think it only proper that the GOP gets a taste of their own dirty politics.
Hastert needs to go and anyone else that defends Foley’s behavior by their silence on the issue. Their silence speaks volumes.
I realize that to prosecute a republican you don’t need a real crime, just spend several million dollars investigating, find some discrepancy in the testimony and then proscute the inconsistancy as a lie.
Does Scooter Libby ring any bells?
Hank
Hank – Does Kenneth Starr ring any bells?
lucee, with Clinton there was an admitted crime. What specifically was Foley’s crime?
What specifically is Hastert covering up?
Hank
Solicitation of minor for sex? I read where he invited some of the pages over to drink at his house? Supplying liquor to minors? Too bad there is no charge for being a big fat hypocrit.
Sure, what’s your point?
Again, Hank, you are using the Clinton tactic of what “is” is. That is legalese for “just try and catch me legally”. Does that make it right?
Republicans were all hot and bothered about Clinton with an adult female intern but turn their heads the other way when it is Foley with a minor male page? That is the difference most Americans will distinguish from this whole scandal.
And don’t tell me that there was no sexual contact – we don’t know but we do know that he invited these pages over to his house to drink and have ice cream with him. Is that not contact?
Lets see now … we had Starr spend tens of millions on a blow job and you complain about much less being spent on a national security investigation.
And then get Clinton for his “discrepancy”
Help! Help!
They are trying to throw me under a bus!
I don’t know what’s worse, CF’s blanket accusations against the Republican Party, or Hank Price’s low-balling tactics pretending like this Foley incident is an overblown political stunt.
Whith such spokesmen for both political parties is it any wonder why most if not all Americans have lost faith in the two-party system??
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/04/foley.ap/index.html
Now, it’s “three years”…
lucee, 17 is older than the age of consent. As far as drinking goes, any evidence that it happened?
Any evidence that he actually had relations with any of these pages?
I’m not defending the man. I don’t know anyone that is defending the man. I think he’s a sad, perverted old queer. He resigned. Its done. Get over it.
Hank
Come on Ben,
Over eighteen convictions, Clinton was guilty of lying to a grand jury.
You can try and dismiss it as much to do about a blow job but it was a lot more than that and you know it.
Hank
Guess Hank is just on the same Page as his fellow Republicans!
Will,
I’m lowballing it? I just listed the only facts we know.
If it seems to be lowballing it makes my point.
Hank
Why are we taking Foley’s word that nothing ever happened? Let’s have an investigation, just like the Republicans did for Clinton, and then maybe the truth will come out.
As it is now, Foley has admitted his perverted behavior and has conveniently gone into alcohol rehab.
On the other hand, GOP leadership and other self righteous Republicans who ran on family values are known by their deafening silence on the issue.
Sure you want the voters to forget about Foley because he turned out to be a red flag in the GOP’s quest for continued power.
Republicans have not let Bill Clinton go and that was 14 years ago!
Foley will be charged with a crime..3rd grade felony someone said. Transmission of “indecency” across state lines on government time since he did it while on the job, before a vote.
The crime is Republican leaders hiding Foley’s problems from Democrats.
There is no moving on from this fire, until people start losing jobs and censured for ethics violations. Then voted out of power by voters.
Dirty politics is not much fun when you are the recipient of the swift boating technique – huh?
So true lucee. Paybacks are hell.
Swift boating technique? Are you admitting then that the libs are lying about Foley and Hastert?
Hank
We won’t let Bill Clinton go? Let him go??!!
Hell, we can’t chase him away with a stick!
Hank
I don’t. Too many Republicans are saying these things about Hastert and Shimkus.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/15671074.htm
Aide says he reported Foley 3 years agoDEVLIN BARRETTAssociated PressWASHINGTON – Speaker Dennis Hastert’s political support showed signs of cracking on Wednesday as Republicans fled the fallout from an election-year scandal spawned by steamy computer messages from disgraced Rep. Mark Foley to teenage male pages.
At the same time, the congressional aide who last week counseled Foley to quit said in an Associated Press interview he first warned Hastert’s aides more than three years ago about Foley’s worrisome conduct toward pages. That was long before GOP leaders acknowledged hearing of it.
The aide, Kirk Fordham, who resigned Wednesday, said he had “more than one conversation with senior staff at the highest level of the House of Representatives asking them to intervene” at the time.
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Are we being a bit harsh toward Hastert et.al.? Probably. So what!? After 14 years of non-stop Clinton-bashing what do you expect?
I really like watching Rightie talkers turning on them!
Did anyone see on Fox News where they actually posted his name as being a DEMOCRAT! Now that just takes the cake right there.
They are so ashamed of their own party that they actually are changing the party of the people they don’t like now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3jpRK1rqOE
Typical for FAUX!
We don’t know for certain, what , if anything occurred. Even if the worst things imagined did happen, no one “wins” anything- we all would be losers!Both parties have an abundance of lowlife weseals , equally capable of anything , then justifying it!
ABC news is saying Hastert won’t last this week, defiantly not Leader of the House next year. Writings on the wall!
Every Republican for themselves.
We shouldn’t have one party House and Senate. It’s allowed the political sleaze to stay protected. Hastert knew about Foley, Tom Delay, whatever more eruptions will happen soon.
Election year explosion! I can’t believe Republicans will do straight ticket anywhere. Some of the guys have to go.
Congress is broken as a one party politic.
Great time for a leadership breakdown!
LOL twice in one week I’ve heard both Moran and Tiahrt in their ads say how they voted AGAINST their own party..
My goodness that has got to say a lot too huh.
Just saw on the news the top staffer for another Republican resigned, and two hours later issued a statement that he’d told the top people *hastert, what Foley was doing with the Pages 3 yrs. ago! Well that would have put it just shortly before the Presidential election. Power before Pages!
Now a top Republican is talking about protecting the young (republican) pages, by having a moratorium on pages until things get cleared up and maybe ending the program altogether. There must be a lot of predators roaming the halls of Congress!
Damn the Vast Left Wing conspirators are powerful, they have all these republican pages, and staffers making accusations!
Hank is already saying to “get over it.”
You wish.
We’ve barely gotten started with it.
This is the tip of the iceberg. The Republicans have for years been shot through with practicing homosexuals–
Here’s a short list:
Rep. David Drier, R-CARep. Jim Kolbe, R-AZDan Gurley, Field Director, RNCKen Mehlman, RNC ChairFORMER Rep. Mark A. FoleyJay Timmons, former RNC Senatorial CommitteeFormer Rep. Schrock, R-VAArt Finkelstein, FinancierMatt Drudge, PresstituteJeff Guckert, PresstituteArmstrong Williams, Presstitute
The party that scores points by demonizing the “gay agenda” is full of self-loathing closeted gays.
Typical.
Capn: Thank you for posting a list showing that the Republican party is diverse. There is even an organization of homosexual Repbublicans. I think it is called the Log Cabin Repubicans. Even though the Republican party doesn’t bend over, so to speak, for the homosexual agenda, the named individuals must not obsess over their sexual identity.
So what is your point?
Out
The point is these are either people living a lie or in mental anguish trying to fight who they really are. Look at Foley. He was militantly anti gay…..but he IS gay. No doubt this contradiction could have contributed to his……situation.
A gay person being Republican these days would be sort of like a black person fighting AGAINST civil rights 40 years ago. It signals a person at war with their own best interest and identity.
Hastert is toast. The rest of the Republicans are gonna put it all on him as leader to try and make it go away. It won’t WORK but they are going to do it anyway.
Let’s start a pool on when Hastert goes down. I call Friday 4 P.M. Eastern.
JR
You may want to take a look at the Drudgereport.
As a poster on another forum said-”My word! Democrats on a homophobic witch hunt while invading the privacy of consenting homosexuals? Warp speed Scotty!”
This whole thing just got a little funnier.
Hastert goes down Friday Oct. 27th, 5pm Eastern time. There will be a lot more mileage gained on his Leadership problems.
I heard today on NPR that pages were warned in _1995_ to stay away from Foley. Surely they weren’t covering up for a whole decade were they? Where was the leadership of Hank’s ego ideal, Newt Gingrich. Could it be that Newt shares in some of the blame for leadership/ethics failures — say it isn’t so, Hank.
Come on Heckler,
Repubs are protecting the privacy rights of consenting homosexuals?
That dog won’t fight. The whole argument is laughable. I know you can do better.
This is great! I’ve got a litle spare money that says Hastert doesn’t go down over this crap.
Enaul me privately, I’ll cover bets until my poker winnings from last night are covered.
Hank
Steven
Ever heard the phrase “Scandal Laundering”?
Something’s happening here, what it is aint exactly clear……
I’ve no money for bets.
I’m surprised you bushbots are so politically naive.
The politically smart strategy is to sacrifice Hastert and hope that makes it go away. My guess is it would NOT make it go away because I think there is very much more to be revealed. But putting the sword to Hastert lets a little blood and gains the GOP a shred of sympathy. They get to cry “victim” and “justice is done”.
I hope Hastert stays. But the Republicans are very well known for covering their asses with their own.
Lucee:Everyone is a hypocrite in one way or another.No one is perfect. Even with the highest morals, ethics and integrity we still measure out to be human and imperfect in our judgment and our actions.Also, maybe the Repub’s kept it confidential because they knew the bloodletting that would take place by the Dems if they found out. You know everything in D.C. is POLITICAL!!And…The only things dirty about Clinton’s eight years was his heart and mind.
TM?
“maybe the Repub’s kept it confidential because they knew the bloodletting that would take place by the Dems if they found out.”
Oh I have absolutely no doubt about that. I don’t think anyone does. But was it the right thing to do? Was it right to protect a sexual predator in order to avoid embarrassing the party and losing the majority?
I was no great fan of Clinton, but”The only things dirty about Clinton’s eight years was his heart and mind.”
That is totally unfair. Bill and Hillary Clinton were investigated over a land deal. (Whitewater) Finding nothing to make his case, Ken Starr DID find some tawdry episodes. In his witch hunt, he MAY have distracted the President from his job. But other than that and satiating the appetite for revenge of those who hated Bill Clinton because he defeated BushI, I really don’t see what his 90 million dollar investigation accomplished.
TM – it must be nice to live in your fantasy world where everyone is so noble.
The Republicans kept the Foley secret because they knew that their base, the true Christians, would turn on them.
In fact, I think that is what should happen. I’m hoping that the moderates of both parties, true people of faith, will join together and form their own party.
This may just be the year for the independent to form their party and run in 2008 for president.
Oh, BTW, does that “nobody is perfect” also apply to Bill Clinton? From your last comment, I dont’ think so. That’s the problem with the Republicans – they say one thing and keep pounding away on Bill Clinton.
“Do we even teach people about accepting responsibility for their actions anymore?”
No, Will, it seems we don’t. Take a look at the Phelps thread, where some are blaming Satan. So who’s responsible? According to some, Satan. To Foley, Demon Liquor, second cousin to Satan, I believe.
“What crime did he commit?”
Hank, if Nathan had been one of those pages, how would you feel? Would you be shrugging your shoulders and saying there was no crime?
“Does Scooter Libby ring any bells?”
A mere ding, really. But Clinton makes the bells of Notre Dame look mild by comparison. ;)
JR–
Thanks for that reply to Outhouse.
You got it exactly right.
A lot of us are wondering if that’s why gays like Foley and the recently deceased Jim West, R-Fecal Matter, preyed on young boys?
They wanted to be gay men, but they couldn’t because of the culture of gay-hatred they were part of.
Plaid Adder puts it perfectly in her journal:
“Mark Foley wants you to know that he is a gay man.”
“It would perhaps be more accurate to say that Mark Foley aspires to be a gay man. Up until this moment, anyway, what Mark Foley appears to have been is a hypocritical, self-hating, deeply closeted asshole who was aware that he had same-sex desires but was so afraid of being exposed in front of his rabidly gay-baiting Republican colleagues and constituents that he channeled them all toward teenaged boys who, because they were apprentices in the patronage system that Foley as a Congressman could control, were not in a position to expose him. So far, everyone has been talking about Foley as if he is one of the slavering, lust-crazed, depraved internet predators that his own legislation was supposedly trying to eradicate. That may well be; but I think it is at least as likely that his choice of love object was strategic.
“This is what makes me so angry, and this is what I want people to understand. A scandal like this is not just the result of one man’s individual depravity. It is one forseeable consequence of a political culture determined to drive what they define as “deviant” sex underground and to keep it there where nobody can see it. They don’t necessarily believe they can _eradicate_ it; they just want to keep it invisible. And that’s why they are trying to shove everyone back into the closet, even though it is clear to anyone who’s ever been there that the closet is not a healthy place. Men like Mark Foley are produced, in part, by the closet; and that is one of the more compelling arguments for blowing up the fucking closet once and for all.”
Unfortunately, politics has become a game and a dirty game at that. The Republicans perfected personal nasty attacks and it was encouraged by the likes of Rush Limbaugh.
Just take an objective look at Limbaugh’s website – it looks just like something out of a sleazy tabloid.
The sad part is that there are people who live for the GOP and there are those that live for the Democrats. Nothing else matters but winning.
While our country is slipping into being the biggest debtor nation, good paying jobs are being outsourced to make the few richer and our own children are not even safe in their schools – we have no business telling any other country how to live.
Foley is just a symptom of a very deep cancer in politics. But this cancer has been growing for years and it was only through the GOP’s complete and total control over all 3 branches of government that they have gotten away with it. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I don’t think Hastert will resign because I don’t think George W. will let him. After all, George W. still keeps Rumsfeld and that man should have stepped down a long time ago.
Besides, arrogant men really believe that they are above the rest of us little people.
“A lot of us are wondering if that’s why gays like Foley and the recently deceased Jim West, R-Fecal Matter, preyed on young boys? They wanted to be gay men, but they couldn’t because of the culture of gay-hatred they were part of.”– CapnAmerica
Capn: Listen to you. You are a Foley enabler!
Distilling a few paragraphs, you say that because it is hard being a homo, Foley was forced to slink around, pursuing boys. Blame an institution and avoid personal responsiblity. The left’s anthem.
But of course in this case you know that this thing has no legs unless it can somehow be extended beyond a single pervert.
So the thrust (so to speak) of your argument, is that the Republicans are to blame for Foley’s actions because they don’t embrace the homosexual agenda? Your theory is that Foley was frustrated at being the trials of being homosexual and that his answer was to go after boys for gratification instead of men!!??? And that makes sense to you? Did you ever think that he just might be a pedophile??
Sometimes Capn, you are such a moronic partisan.
Yes, it does make sense to me, Outlander.
They couldn’t admit what they are so they pervert their impulses toward the vulnerable.
It in no way excuses or enables someone like Foley. It explains what happens when a culture of hatred (i.e., Republicanism) tells people they are sick because of what they are.
As for him simply being a pedophile, that doesn’t really work. The boys were underage but just barely. Usually pedophiles go for little kids . . .
Hank Price almost sounds proud that Hastert won’t go down. Hank probably hasn’t been paying attention to open infighting among the Republican leadership, or that several prominent conservatives and right-wing groups, including the Washington Times, have called for Hastert’s resignation.
But I guess all of that takes a backseat to you. Why? “Because you’re a Republican.” You don’t care what these people do, they can do no wrong in your eyes. And if, on the off chance they do screw up, well, its either the liberals fault somehow, or the Democrats did it too! “Clinton’s fault! Clinton’s fault.”
The constant right-wing spin is literally sickening. This Foley affair has shown conclusively that the right-wing media, and their hard-right followers like Hank, do not live in reality.
And yes, Fox News DID show Foley’s name on the screen with a (D) next to it.
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“Enaul me privately,”
Sorry Hank, this sounds pretty sick; don’t you think?
Foley, Hastert, and all this will be news for some time whether Hank, Outlander and others like it or not.
SO let’s take that little side arguement.
What say you righties about FOX trying to make Foley a DEMOCRAT?
Did someone Tivo that Fox moment on TV? Fox won’t put Ex-Rep.Mark Foley (R-FL) on their website describing him.
I don’t regularly read foxnews, but I will next few days, they must call for Hastert’s head. Foley worse than we can imagine, Tom Delay crimes. Too much sleaze.
let us make this distinction very clear:
Pedophiles and homosexuals are NOT one in the same.
There are more heterosexual pedophiles than there are homosexual pedophiles.
Who wants to bet that Fox’s Faux paux showing Foley listed as a Democrat makes Olbermann’s “worst person in the world” award?
AMERICA HELD HOSTAGE:DAY 2083….
Well, well, well,
Seems the liberal pantloads on this blog are afraid to put their money where their mouths are, so here’s a little juicier bait:
I’m willing to bet that this all blows over (no pun intended) before November. Why? Because there aren’t enough facts to keep this going. Foley resigned, game over.
The bet? I bet the republicans retain the house and senate plus they keep Foley’s seat in Florida.
Any takers? I’ll set aside $100 of my lunch money to cover anyone with enough balls to back up their caterwalling.
Hank
How many times they gonna let you vote, gentle Hank?
Foley’s been in Congress 4 terms, there’s bound to be more former pages step out.
If Hastert knew for 3 yrs. you can bet Rove, the Republican party, and Bush all knew too. It’ll keep dribbling out.
Crowson’s cartoon was great today, he’d better watch taking any back road trips in Kansas for a while!
Hey Tracy,
I don’t need to vote, the republicans have diebold on our side!
Hank
Good one Hank!!~ HA!Now I know I’m not takin’ that bet.
Now who wouldn’t want to bet with a man who calls you a “liberal pantload”. Mr. Price’s wit and intelligence are only surpassed by his charm…
Let me get this right, Hank, you are wanting to bet:1) The Repubs will keep a majority in the US House;2) The Repubs will keep a majority in the US Senate;AND3) The voters in Florida will retain a Repub in Foley’s district? (you do know, don’t you, that the voters will have to vote for Foley’s name – too little time to change the ballot according to Florida law?)
Hey, Hank, would you want to add a 4th condition and make it part of the bet that Katherine Harris will be elected to the Senate in Florida? Why not go for “wing-nut” broke?
Hank seems to think that just because Foley resigned that there is no problem.
That is just not so. Hastert is up past his eyeballs in this mess. And this is a scandal that should have been prevented by bringing Foley up for censure when it first happened!
You know what they say about cockroaches, where there is one there are more you don’t see.
Foxnews fake Foley shot
http://www.newshounds.us/2006/10/03/fox_uses_subliminal_ploy_on_foley_head_shot.php
Typical example of FAUX “Fair and Balanced” coverage.
Dittos, Ben.
Per Matt Drudge
CLAIM: FILTHY FOLEY ONLINE MESSAGES WERE PAGE PRANK GONE AWRY
According to two people close to former congressional page Jordan Edmund, the now famous lurid AOL Instant Message exchanges that led to the resignation of Mark Foley were part of an online prank that by mistake got into the hands of enemy political operatives, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal… Developing…
Always seems to be more to these things than initially meets the eye.
Thank you for posting that.
Well righties? Come tell us how Fox news is objective.
High political theatre in the age of instant information.
JR
Get real you goofball, remember all the crap that the networks have pulled when televising Bush and Cheney speaches?
…and they always chalk it up to “technical glitches” that can’t be explained.
So how much is Drudge on the payroll for from the GOP? And even if it was a prank – how does that justify a grown man in his 50’s resorting to that childishness? Wasn’t it Drudge yesterday that was blaming the male pages for Foley’s behavior?
The GOP leadership is growing desperate by the hour. Sign of a nerve that got hit big time?
The truth hurts.
So was it a technical glitch when Fox News labeled Foley as a Democrat from Florida?
Or was it an intentional deception to sway people not familiar with Foley to think this was a Democrat who resigned in disgrace?
What is it with the Prices and balls?
Hank,I will take $25 of that $100. And just to be clear:If -1) The Repubs retain a majority in the U.S. House;2) The Repubs retain a majority in the U.S. Senate3) A Republican is elected to the Foley District in FloridaAND4) Katherine Harris wins the Florida Senate seat(also known as the “wing-nut quad-fecta”)Then Hank WINS and Steven Davis sends him $25 cash.IF -ANY of the 4 conditions are not met on or after 11-07-06, Hank Price sends:
ProKanDo (Tiller’s PAC)P.O. Box 8249Wichita, KS 67208
a check for $25.00. A bet Mr. Price? I would bet you the whole $100, but I don’t want to hog all the fun for myself.
I’m sure if Sludge can substantiate that he will and it will be all over the media. Just like his earlier claim that the page was over 18.
/sarcasm off
Doesn’t prove Drudge wrong; but, gives lie to the earlier charge that the Dems were the responsible parties (already posted on another thread, sorry for the double post):
http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/100506/news2.html
Heckler!!
I am IMPRESSED!
That little bit of Drudge gas was refarted by Rush gasbag Limbaugh at approximately 1:48 and you got it in here in less than 8 minutes!
TRULY from Rush’s ass to your brain in short order!
I’m the goofball?
You cite for me ONE incident where a troubled Democrat was labeled as a Republican in ANY media.
JR
If you watch and listen over the course of years you will find that when a Democrat is in the midst of a negative controversy the MSM frequently does not cite his party affiliation in their reports. When it’s a Republican they NEVER fail to cite party affiliation. This happens both in print and network news. Just watch over the course of a year, it’s blatently obvious if you’re watching for it.
A prank? Uhm, right. The link Heckler didn’t bother to get:http://www.drudgereport.com/page.htm
Okay, so a page starts deliberately talking dirty to a Congressman–as a joke–and of course, being a regular guy (or something), Foley joins in on the homoerotic fun.
Geez, you can smell the desperation. Particularly since the exchanges that were released showed Foley initiating all the dirty talk. Oh wait, I guess they left out this part:
“Hey, I’m really horny and I want you to talk dirty to me!”
MY BAD.
JR
… and I’m impressed that you’re impressed ;)
Steven: I’m surprised that Hank doesn’t have everyone jumping on his bet without adding Katherine Harris in it. I would be tempted myself but I don’t want to be double minded. Apparently libs aren’t really all that confident, despite the bluster.
But really, your designated charity would be Tiller the Killer’s PAC????? Gross.
Rage
No one said that Foley joined in as a joke. They knew he swung the other way and played him for fun.
Doesnt change Foley’s action, just casts a whole nother light on the stage.
I’ve not found that to be true Heckler and even if so it is not NEARLY the same.
YOUR FOX Network, the tool of YOUR Republican admintistration, took a REPUBLICAN guilty of despicable behavior and DELIBERATELY attempted to portray him as a Democrat.
Go find me anything close to compare to that.
Go find me Fox apologizing for the “mistake”.
“No one said that Foley joined in as a joke.”
Including me.
“They knew he swung the other way and played him for fun.”
Then why did the transcript not show Foley being “played”?
Congrats, Heck. You ignored about 95% of what I said (you need to work on that 5%).
Rage
yes you did say it.”and of course, being a regular guy (or something), Foley joins in on the homoerotic fun.”
Heckler?
Do you have any idea how many times Drudge has been wrong? He is about a credible a source as the National Enquirer.
Faux news is talking about Iraq!!!(Nice to hear something about Iraq on any media in more than a week)
If Drudge had ANYTHING Faux would be wall to wall with it.
Drudge is gonna leave you twisting in the wind again.
J R – you just slandered the National Enquirer.
Darn, Ben, you beat me to it.
JR
As it turns out remnants of the old Clinto attack machine are at work here. Their goal was to get the Republican base so disgusted with the party that they would stay home on election day. They had this info for months before releasing it 5 weeks before the elections.
Did they turn it over to the proper authorities out of concern that there might be vulnerable young pages in danger from a pedophile? No, they held on to it for the political attack. Demonstrating that once again, Democrats only core principal is regaining power.
The plan of suppressing the conservative vote will backfire because in this age of instant information and bloggers digging for gold their plan will be exposed to the masses. Conservative voters, rather than staying home, will come out in force.
And your face will be grim on the morning of Nov. 8 2006.
Heckler,
That would be the vast, Left-Wing, Clinton Conspiracy?
IOKIYAR. Believe whatever you need to believe.
The bet? I bet the republicans retain the house and senate plus they keep Foley’s seat in Florida.
Any takers? I’ll set aside $100 of my lunch money to cover anyone with enough balls to back up their caterwalling.
Hank
Save 50 dollars of that, Hank. I’m already on record with you for that amount, remember?
I’ve changed the charity though. It’s going to be Democracy for America, Wichita Chapter that gets the money.
Howard Dean’s organization . . .
Outlander,I am willing to negotiate on the bet and the the charity. I have never given money to Tiller’s PAC – just figured that Hank would hate giving them money more that he would dislike giving any the Peace & Justice center. I am surprised I haven’t heard back from Hank. Maybe HE is not as confident as he lets on.
I’m sure they can dig up Foley’s semen stained Keyboard. Just look for one in the House with a buch of sticking keys!
Drudge has left you with your bare rear end sticking out Heckler. When will you ever learn?
“Conservative voters, rather than staying home will come out in force.”
Which ones? TRUE conservatives are not very happy with the large accumulation of power Republicans have granted bush.
FISCAL Conservatives understand that you do not grant class favorable tax cuts…..or ANY tax cuts during a “war”.
SOCIAL conservatives must be wondering what the heck to do. They and RELIGIOUS conservatives are supposed to be controlling things! That is what the neocons promised them. But aside from bucking 75% of the population and banning certain vital medical research, neocons have been all talk.
Now NEOCONSERVATIVE dittohead cannonfodder like you Heckler WILL come out in force. You folks are convinced it is your divine right/corporate duty to rule the world. Aww but there are not many of you. And your numbers dwindle by the day.
Your only hope is Diebold machines. Rush Limbaugh said yesterday that if you all could steal a Presidential election, a mid term should be a snap. He predicted a 50 seat pick up in the House.
If corruption in this country has gone to that level, a significant number of Americans will be ready for blood in the streets. I got the perfect spot on my wall for the head of that pus filled bastard.
Watch out J R. That would be a serious toxic waste site.
Robin Williams in his new movie –out soon — sums it up best:
“Politicians are like diapers — They should be changed often and for the same reason.”
And of course the Clinton attack machine consulted with Heckler before they concocted their scheme to keep Foley’s perversion under wraps until just the right moment. Right?
These really are desperate times for the Republicans. How much lower will they get down into the sewer to try to get that rotten smell off their leadership?
They have blamed everyone but the ones really at fault – themselves!
I bet Tiahrt would stand behind Robbin Williams statement. After all that was a big part oh how he got in.
JR:One of Fox News’ interns probably made the party designation mistake. Who cares! I’m sure it was intentional for those of you who are paranoid of the evil republicans.The Ken Starr investigation wasn’t the only thing distracting Bill Clinton ;) Bill Clinton had a moral lapse as the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. His immorality had been going on for many years before the goo-goo-eyed women of this nation voted him into the Presidential office. His list of immoral atrocities are far longer than Foley’s, but ALL ARE WRONG!It’s bad whether you’re a Congress person, a Senator or the President of the United States.Wrong is wrong!Foley may or may not be repentant for what he has done, but I tend to think he’s more sorry he got caught, as are most people living in immorality.
Hey Hank, what’d you think about the armored military escort deserting the Haliburton truck drivers. Not something you’re likely to see on Faux. Here’s the clip if you missed it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQBLsoOngA0
JR:I understand your anger and frustration, but don’t you think ALL Americans are disgusted with ALL the LEADERLESS-SHIP in D.C.I know I am. Everyone in D.C. is a partisan obstructionist. I’m sick of it!!Everyone is crying foul. Add to that lost jobs, whether they are low paying or manufacturing, through outsourcing and offshoring, high tax rates at the Federal and State levels, Gas prices, healthcare costs, hardworking Americans trying to eek out a living and make ends meet, we have enough stress and disappointment in our own lives to kill a normal person because of the people that have been voted into Official Government leadership positions. THEY don’t represent us, the common man, they represent themselves and MONEY. ALL OF THEM, republicans and Democrats!!Oh, they might offer a few words of comfort by telling us what they think we want to hear, but it’s all in vain and empty spin. Nothing significant ever gets done. They’re all a bunch of blathering, self-absorbed nit-wits.But who am I anyway? I’m nobody. And I don’t have THE ANSWERS for these perpetual, ongoing problems.Blood in the streets is not the answer.
I don’t think paranoia is just on the Democrat side – TM. Seems like right now parnoia is running rampant on the Republican side because they know they’ve been caught with their pants down (literally).
Remember, it was Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the Republicans that perfected this nasty personal attacks in politics.
I seem to recall many men voted for Bill Clinton also – were they goo goo eyes for him too? Is that a reflection on the men that voted for him or Bill Clinton? I never heard one word about Clinton liking young male pages.
TM
Your comparison is not valid. You are reducing this to the indiscretions of the individual. This is about more.
You ran back to Clinton. That is the default retreat of your “side”. “Let’s talk about the past!” For the record, Clinton was impeached. He was not impeached for the crime of which he was originally investigated. The witch hunt couldn’t prove that. But they did find something that no one really needed to know and Clinton was impeached. Hey I wish he would have been removed. Then Gore would have been President and the disaster that is bush would never have happened. But he was not removed and that really frosts the morality squad and the Clinton haters. Tough. The Constitutional process played itself through, end of story. Get over it.
TM you win an honor here. Yours is the LAST post in the “what about Clinton” stream that I will ever entertain.
Let’s talk about now.
Mark Foley resigned. SO he really got his wish. He wanted out anyway. He wanted to retire some time ago. Republican leadership in the House and the GOP wanted him to stay. They did not want to lose the seat. SOME of those who wanted him to stay MUST have known about his questionable character. But they wanted him to stay anyway.
House majority leader Beohner, Republican congressmen Reyolds and Alexander have ALL said that speaker of the House Dennis Hastert KNEW what Foley was at least a year ago. Other revelations indicate that Hastert and the GOP leadership knew anywhere from 1 to 10 years ago.
That TM is a conspiracy to conceal the despicable activities of a man for the purposes of perpetuating Republican power.
TM
My last post and yours crosssed. I hope they don’t again. If I had seen what you were writing while I was, my last post would be a little different.
I am very troubled that you say:
“But who am I anyway? I’m nobody!”
I’ve more to say but I want to make sure you are done before we cross up again. I’ll be back in a bit.
TM?
You are NOT nobody. I believe that. I am sure almost everyone here believes that.
You are right to believe that many in our government feel that way. That is our fault.
WE you and I and Farmgrrl and C F and Hank and Heckler and XXX and all the rest of the posters here; and all those who don’t post here let alone vote….WE are American AND its government.
Of by and for remember?
“I understand your anger and frustration…”
Well TM we would not agree on much. We probably are angry and frustrated for very different reasons. But at least the sentiment we share. That’s a start.
“….but don’t you think ALL AMERICANS are disgusted….”
No TM I don’t. Half of the elgible voters in this country don’t take part. Hey it’s not all their fault that. They are busy making a living and TRYING to enjoy it. Half of those who DO vote are pretty happy just now. Right or wrong their “side” is “winning”. I fault them just a little less than those who aint in the game. It is human nature to choose up sides and fight tooth and nail and not think too awful much about anything but the fight.
“Everyone in D.C. is a partisan obstrutionist.”
See above.
“Everyone is crying foul.”
Uh no. Like I said above, things are pretty hunky dory for SOME. THEY only cry foul when something threatens that comfortable position.
Now after this TM and readers, I would default to my own take and blame TM’s “side” for all the problems she cites. (Lost jobs, outsourcing,health care etc.)
But then TM, you say”
“THEY don’t represent us!”
Well, we have only ourselves to blame for that. (or tricks with elections)
The are SUPPOSED to represent us. It is our job to make sure they do. Now to do that, we might have to think less in terms of winning and losing and more in terms of the greater good.
“they represent themselves and MONEY”
Yup. That is what unrestricted capitalism does. It creates haves and have nots.
“ALL OF THEM, republicans and Democrats!!Oh, they might offer a few words of comfort by telling us what they think we want to hear, but it’s all in vain and empty spin. Nothing significant ever gets done.”
TM? I’m not, as you know, religious. BUT AMEN!
I won’t offend your sensiblities TM. You will have to use your imagination a bit.
Michael Moore has said that the Republicans will f— you and the Democrats will say “I love you! and then f— you. Like I say, haves and have nots. The “haves” have a vested interest in protecting the “haves”. The “have nots” can only look to those who make their living on the “have nots”. It’s a symbiotic thing.
“They’re all a bunch of blathering, self absorbed nit-wits”
No TM, not all of them. But they all get made that way because WE let them, or force them. WE built the institution. WE are responsible for the inmates.
TM?
I am on the “left”. You are on the “right”. It is YOUR leaders that currently have “the power”. Personally I am for divided government. The “left” is better thinking as to society. The “right” is better thinking as to personal freedom…..well they USED to be.
Maybe if we could agree to see the greater good for ONE and all we could find a place to meet. But we CAN’T do that until you ditch the “I am nothing” thinking. That only empowers those entrenched on BOTH “sides”.
Wow, late to a fun thread.
Hank says: “Swift boating technique? Are you admitting then that the libs are lying about Foley and Hastert?”
heheheh Hankie.
Are YOU admitting then that the swiftboaters are indeed liars? hee hee hee hee
And TM, I thought all sins were equal and there was no order of magnitude in sin.
So if clinton had a moral laps while PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES…
…what about king george’s well documented lies? WHILE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
Isnt there something about “thou shalt not lie?” in your bible?
So clinton had a moral laps for adultry and was punished.
King george has continued moral lapes for lying.
No punishment, only praise from the holiest of holys on this blog.
heheheh. If you cant see the hypocrisy there, you must have a BIG log in your eye…..
…and to beat some wide eyed innocent sounding wingnut sure to say….
“what documented lies”.
heheheheh.
Do your own damn research. We’ve danced THAT dance before with nathan.
There are entire books and websites documenting king george’s lies.
If you are too lazy to look them up, but chose the lazy route of saying “prove he lied”
you must be a redneck republican
…AND WHERE OH WHERE IS PAULIE?
Anything new on Drudge’s claims from yesterday? How come FAUX hasn’t been trumpeting them?
hee hee hee
you mean drudge’s lies are so outrageous that even fux news wont air them?
I think that says something…..
Oh we are hearing from Matt Drudge today. HE is back on the bash Nancy Pelosi road last I looked.
I wonder if we will hear from Heckler and Hank today. I kinda doubt it. Drudge got them to stick their butts out in the air and has, as usual, left them to walk back to this county after having their butts kicked into the next one.
But Faux’s not touching it. Interesting.
I guess they have to at least have the APPEARANCE of standards.
Where’s Paul Rossel been during all of this.
J R – maybe it’s Pelosi’s fault Foley dod what he did.
However, I still like this explanation”
”
Closet LifeBut interestingly, it isn’t only social conservatives discussing a possible tie between sexual orientation and Foley’s predatory behavior with pages.Richard Isay, a Weisll Cornell Medical College professor of psychiatry and author who has studied gay men and women, says his psychiatric studies show that closeted gays who work for organizations that are inhospitable to them may be more prone to “doing things that are going to get themselves into trouble.”
“If the atmosphere of the Republican Party is not hospitable to gay people … you’re going to have more problems,” Isay said.In his academic opinion, Isay believes that Foley’s pathology includes “much more than just this kind of behavior — hitting on pages,” but likely includes other kind of secretive behavior.He also believes that Foley “had an enormous need to be caught and punished. You don’t send e-mails to underage pages unless you want to be caught, and that’s directly related to impoverished self-esteem and the need to be punished.”Gay conservative writer Andrew Sullivan wrote on his blog this week that the Foley scandal wasn’t about pedophilia or homosexuality.”[I]t’s fundamentally about the closet,” he wrote. “The closet is so psychologically destructive it often produces pathological behavior. When you compartmentalize your life, you sometimes act out in one compartment in ways that you would never condone in another one. Think Clinton-Lewinsky, in a heterosexual context. But closeted gay men are particularly vulnerable to this kind of thing. Your psyche is so split by decades of lies and deceptions and euphemisms that integrity and mental health suffer. No one should excuse Foley’s creepy interactions; they are inexcusable, as is the alleged cover-up. … But there’s a reason gay men in homophobic institutions behave in self-destructive ways.”
steve
Paul is plugged into his alcove somewhere waiting for a download. Communications from on high are probably a little muddled just now!
Poor Hank and Heckler. I TRIED to tell them Drudge would leave them twisting in the wind. But hey, I’m just a liberal trying to look out for others. I don’t have a website or talent on loan from God. So they would never listen to me.
You boys make sure to ice those glutial bruises!
Ben
I’m no psych expert. But I have always had the opinion that folks living such a double, hidden, and to all their peers “bad” lifestyle might suffer terrible mental pressure and anguish.
And get this. NOW the right wing shills are trying to make this into Democrat bashing of gays! Hannity is shocked, shocked to the point of breathless that the Dems would SO BETRAY a “key constituency’ to get back their political power! The SHAME of it! SHeesh.
J R – I had commented something simialr before – it was interesting to see that said by a professional. It would be interesting to hear from someone who IS gay about the effects of living such a self-loathing existence.
Steve,”Where’s Paul Rossel been during all of this?”Maybe he’s joined Foley in rehab.
Move on folks, nothing to see here.