The Eagle editorial board is back in the news again. Kansas City Star columnist Mike Hendricks has a column today that links to our editorial board video excerpt from our interview with Attorney General Phill Kline. And the Topeka Capital-Journal did a news article about it. Associated Press also reported about the video today.
During the interview, I asked Kline if he was going to use the 15-year-old sexual harassment allegation against his opponent, Paul Morrison, in his campaign. He said, “I’m not.” But less than a week later, Kline held a press conference about the unproven allegations.
Hendricks writes: “Character does matter. But isn’t it interesting that the only thing Kline could find on Morrison was so long ago, whereas Kline showed his true character this very month?”
Sherriene Jones, communication director for Kline, contacted The Eagle today and wanted the full clip, because she said she and Kline remembered that there was more to his answer than was included in the posted excerpt. They’re correct — though in a way that makes it worse for them.
My next question during the interview, which wasn’t included in the original video excerpt, was whether there would be a campaign commercial about this. Kline said “no,” then talked at length about other issues that he might do campaign commercials about. As we know, Kline quickly changed his mind about that, too.
We’ve now posted the full clip, which is about three minutes long, on our Web page.
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Phillip,
Wow. That’s quite a narrative. Ol’ Phillllllllllll really is the sleaze I thought he was.
Good for y’all, since posting the video isn’t going to garner you any additional Wingnut love.
Funny how telling the truth and full disclosure now are ‘liberal’ values. And then people want CF to stop using the ‘F’-word (fascist) to describe the RRR (Rabid Religious Right).
Phillip – since some of us have ‘issues’ getting a clip can you post a transcript?
“Funny how telling the truth and full disclosure now are ‘liberal’ values.”
For you substance seekers,None here, keep on moving.CF, why do we need substance when a short blurb like that is so true?
You know the ol’ saying:Substance? We don’t need not stinking Substance.
Ya had to go and do it, huh, CF? Oh well, here goes…………………………………………………………that shot of Stoli went down smoooth.I think I had better reload, just in case.
V.L.R.B!!
Phil (Brownlee not Kline)
More than an online transcript is called for here. The entire transcript of your interview should be printed in the local news section of the paper.
Kline sat and told you how he was going to campaign and then went totally against that. That is news that people should know about from the person trusted with the highest elected justice office in the state.
I would give props to Kline for holding onto his honesty for that long, but then realized it was difficult for him to get a press conference sooner. Kline is another dishonest Republican thug expressing more Republican “family values” which level headed Kansans look down upon.
LOl that’s funny. They were going to try to twist it to say that the ‘media again didn’t show the whole story’…
well ok, but don’t say you didn’t ask for it.
The first law of negatives:If he says he’s not a liar,then he has lies to cover up.
Amazing. As I commented before, I wonder just when the wheels fell off this campaign? A month ago Kline was leading, now this? I wonder if it was Bob Stephen’s departure?
Women I know just roll their eyes at this ad of Kline’s. They know harassment exists in the workplace; but they tell me that if there were substance to this we would have seen it by now.
Oh well, as the Kline ad says …
To be continued …
Ian Santiago,
Great: CF the teetotaler is now your enabler.
There once was a man named KlineWho’s lies were always so fineHe said just don’t askDon’e give me no factsI just want that office to be mine!
There once was a man named KlineWho’s lies were always so fineHe said just don’t askDon’e give me no factsI just want that office to be mine!
It appears that the accusations against Morrison are accusations against the Republican Party, since when the alleged incidents occurred, Morrison was a Republican who became the state GOP chair afterwards.
Wait, wait, wait – hold the phone. A Republican leader lying and not doing what he said he’d do? NO WAY – IMPOSSIBLE – COULN’T BE…
It seems to me that Morrison just slicked his way out the harrassment charge. What he said was done without any witness to hear what he said.
The woman who brought the suit was probably not wisely advised by her attorney. The impression I got from the woman that she was afraid of Morrison’s power and did not want to further the issue along.
Yeah, he probably did say something in private to the woman and it may have be crude, but no one can prove it because there were no witnesses.
Anyone else have wives/daughters and have heard similar stories?
I have heard several stories from several female relatives of how their bosses/co-workers make horrible remarks with no one around so they can make it a she-said-he-said case if anything ever came up legally.
But it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen folks.
The attorney who brought the suit was a person whom Morrison had convicted on possession of cocaine charges.
He was unable to finish the woman-in-question’s suit against Morrison because he was sent to prison on other drug charges.
I believe it would be a safe bet to assume this attorney did not have real good judgement.
hmmm …
Interesting information Steven …
Yes Ben,If you go to KWCH’s website, they have a video of the first part of the last Kline v. Morrison debate. In the video, Morrison points out the above issues.
Steven, check your email.Jerk alert.
The whole thing gets curiouser and curiouser …
I think Kline is really shooting himself in the foot with this.
I heard that Phill Kline was an animal lover. He recently bought a pet monkey, but it has not worked out very well. His monkey has been very bad. Phill has had to put a lot of time into improving his monkey’s behavior. Disciplining his monkey has been hard on Mr. Kline, but the monkey has been very, very bad.
And that is why Phill Kline has spent so much time spanking his monkey.
Morrison misrepresenting sexual harrassment case to public:
Summerlin said it was her idea to come forward with her story, saying Morrison was misrepresenting the case to the public, the Topeka Capital-Journal reported in a story for Thursday’s editions.
By Chris MoonThe Capital-JournalPublished Thursday, October 26, 2006
“Summerlin said Wednesday — in an interview arranged by Kline’s campaign — that she had asked for the case to be dropped more than a year after it was filed so she could move on with her life. She said she had a young son and was planning to apply for nursing school.
“I’d hung in there as long as I could,” she said. “I never retracted the statement. I never said I lied. I never said I misled. I simply said I need to move on.”
Summerlin contends she was sexually harassed by a drunken Morrison during an after-hours party at a Johnson County nightspot. She said Morrison approached her and said he was attracted to her, then asking what they should do about it.
“I felt like a skirt,” she said.
Morrison, meanwhile, has said he told Summerlin she looked attractive and apologized the next day after learning the woman may have misinterpreted his comments. But the district attorney has refused to describe the incident in detail.
But Morrison said in a statement released by his campaign Wednesday that Kline was stooping in trying to help his campaign through Summerlin’s “false” story.
“We are sorry that Phill Kline has dragged this campaign to a new low by repeating 15-year-old false charges from a dismissed lawsuit,” Morrison said. “This is far beneath the people of Kansas, and I will not allow this campaign to be dragged any lower. I want to focus now on the future of Kansas and the challenges we must address together.”
But Kline noted Summerlin was sticking by her accusations.
“I believe her,” he said Wednesday.
Kline’s campaign orchestrated the interviews with selected media outlets at a Johnson County media company. Summerlin conducted the interviews on the conditions that her married name, hometown or workplace not be published. The campaign said such information should be withheld to protect the woman’s family. Photos of the woman also were prohibited.
Flanked by her attorney and her husband, Summerlin clutched a bottle of antacid while detailing her job in Morrison’s office, working as the coordinator for the office’s Victim Witness Unit.
But she said after Morrison made his alleged advance, her work environment became “hostile.” She was fired four months later.
“I knew every time he looked at me, he knew what he’d done. He knew that I knew,” she said.
Morrison has countered saying the woman had lost control of her unit and that several people had quit the agency, citing problems with Summerlin.
Morrison:”I have never made sexually demeaning, suggestive or derogatory statements to Kelly Summerlin or any other member of my office,” he said in a 1992 affidavit.”"
And, as SM says “But it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen folks.”
Morrison has countered saying the woman had lost control of her unit and that several people had quit the agency, citing problems with Summerlin.
“I have never made sexually demeaning, suggestive or derogatory statements to Kelly Summerlin or any other member of my office,” he said in a 1992 affidavit.
The reason why repeated those last two paragraphs are the statements “that the reason why people quit the agency, citing problems with Summerlin.”
We’ll have to see about that now, won’t we.
JM – where is Morrison misrepresenting anything. She says it happened; he says it didn’t. Nothing has ever been substantiated in Court. That is consistent with what Morrison has said.
If Kline believes her then she should re-file the case with Kline representing her.
Ben, check out SM on the MJF thread.
Oh my! Read this and listen to the kelly Summerlin interview. That prro woman is scared to death of Morrison to this day! Talk about abuse of his position. After listening to the interview I am convinced that Morrison isn’t fit to hold the office of dog catcher!_____Victim in Morrison Sexual Harassment Scandal Speaks Out
After two weeks of running commentary on Morrison’s 1990’s sexual harassment lawsuit, the victim finally speaks out. Click HERE to listen to the audio interview of victim Kelly Summerlin.
http://www.raubinandmegan.com/blog/?p=40
In 1991, The Victim’s Witness Coordinator of Johnson County filed a lawsuit in Kansas Federal District Court. Included were accusations of crude jokes by Morrison that made a hostile work environment and sexual advances. According to the court filings, Morrison admitted to “inappropriate comments” and excessive alcohol consumption.
Morrison has repeatedly blustered about his victory in the lawsuits. Several newspapers, such as the Wichita Eagle and the Kansas City Star, falsely reported that both lawsuits were dismissed by Kansas judges and lambasted Kline for exposing Morrison’s behavior.
At an October 24, 2006 debate, Morrison made the following statements:
“Its been litigated and its been dismissed by the court. What he quotes from is a pre-trial motion. Both of those lawsuits were dismissed. It was dismissed at my consent with the agreement that we would not go after her for malicious prosecution.”
“I felt strongly enough about it to sit in a defendant’s chair in a federal court civil jury trial for four days while the court heard the evidence, and I heard Judge Van Bebber say at the close of that evidence, I am dismissing this case because there is no credible evidence to support this claim.”
Morrison misled the public with the above statements. His outright lies about the sexual harassment case have reached a new low. The first statement claims that the case was “litigated”. The second claims that the case was “dismissed”. The documentation (click HERE to read a copy of the lawsuit) proves that the case was never dismissed.
Wednesday marked a turn of events for the Morrison campaign. Kelly Summerlin, the woman behind the lawsuit, granted an interview to the Topeka Capital-Journal. After years of silence, Summerlin stood by her claims.
In an interview with “Raubin and Megan” on AM 580, Summerlin quoted some of Morrison’s advances, claiming that he said, “Don’t get me wrong, I love my wife and kids, but I’m really attracted to you. What are we going to do about it?”
When asked why she came forward, she stated, “Once again, Paul Morrison was calling me a disgruntled employee, and lying about the case, the sexual harassment case, that it had been dismissed without merit, that wasn’t true.”
She went on to say, “What I said then was true, it’s still true…I’m not going to just let him do it again.”
Megan Mosack asked Summerlin if the Kline campaign had paid her to speak out, and her adamant reply was “Absolutely not.”
The Topeka Capital-Journal reported, “Summerlin said she felt like a ’skirt’ following what she called a barroom advance by Morrison, who at the time was her boss as Johnson County district attorney.”
Despite Morrison’s repeated claims that he won the lawsuit, Summerlin said she dropped the suit because of her young son and the need to find another job. She also commented that Morrison had tastelessly spoken to the biological grandparents of the child she and her husband were attempting to adopt during the time of the lawsuit.
Summerlin was terminated four months after Morrison’s drunken advances. Morrison admits to drinking too much, yet claims that Summerlin was fired due to incompetency.
On the contrary, Summerlin told the Capital-Journal that she had received an award from Morrison for a job well-done. She was promoted from an Assistant to a Coordinator by Morrison before his harassment began. She was abruptly fired after refusing Morrison’s sexual overtures.
A drunk, skirt-chasing Attorney General is clearly not in the best interest of Kansans. He has repeatedly lied about the well-documented case. Paul Morrison has, at best, behaved unprofessionally in a manner not worthy of public office.
Attorney General Phill Kline is the Right Man to protect Kansas . As more information on Paul Morrison’s scandals becomes available, K-TIP will keep you informed.
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Kansans for Truth In Politics (K-TIP)http://k-tip.orginfo@k-tip.org
MJF Thread?
Ben,
I would say Morrison is pretty safe saying he didn’t misrepresent anything.
However, I think what could have happened (of course this is conjecture and unprovable) is that in response to Summerlin’s accusation, Morrison characterized his own version of the events know ing full well there wasn’t a snowball’s chance of the case surving past the entry stage of the court.
Didn’t say Morrison wasn’t a smart , intellectual man.
I’m inferring that there arises some behavior that mischaracterization may be a patterned behavior utilized rather than frank honesty.
A further question arises, will he have a tendency to mischaracterize things in a future that may put him a bad light or worse.
“Patterned behavior” – Morrison has been around long enough that if there were a pattern here we would have heard a lot more about it by now. 15 years have passed since this incident; I’m sure people knew about the allegations. I would think that some other ‘victims’ would have come forward by now.
rosemarie – I notice your piece uses the plural “scandals” – thus I assume they will come forward with these additional ‘victims’?
If this DID happen, particularly if this is some sort of ‘tip of the iceburg’ then we obviously need to know. Thing is, while there has been a lot of smoke nobody has shown any fire.
Since Kline spends all his time spanking the monkey doesn’t that make him unsuitable for the office? This scandal should be thoroughly investigated. “Phill Kline has, at best, behaved unprofessionally in a manner not worthy of public office.” I hope K-TIP keeps us informed on this developing story.
Ben,
Did you have an opportunity to listen to the MP3 radio interviews with Kelly Summerlin?
(re:http://www.raubinandmegan.com/blog/?p=40) Posted by: Rosemarie | October 27, 2006 at 04:05 PM
No. That was the reason for my comments to Brownlee about a trascript above (’issues’ doing that here). I read the parts rosemarie posted.
I am not a lawyer so maybe someone can help out here. If a lawsuit ‘goes away’ with no money changing hands what is that called? I would guess something like ‘dropped’ or ‘dismissed’. Perhaps if there had been hearings of some sort it might have been ‘litigated’. If the ‘going away’ included some sort of agreement it might even be called ’settled.’
Quite frankly I am not sure about this parsing of words. Based on what has been said (and not in dispute) she did not ‘win’ either the lawsuit nor any sort of settlement. In my view that would have required some sort of compensation – and everyone agrees there was none.
If “The documentation (click HERE to read a copy of the lawsuit) proves that the case was never dismissed” does that mean the lawsuit is still active? If so, are there hearings. And, since Kline believes her, will he step in and take her case?
Ben,
I may have misunderstood your request. I thought you were referring to the the video that the Eagle did on Kline.
The MP3 radio interview is from Kelly Summerlin is a radio interview apart and separate from the Eagle/Kline interview. The Eagle interview with Kline addresses the fact that Kline said he wouldn’t make another political commercial on the Morrison/Summerlin issue, but it turns out he did.
My apologies, just summarizing for my own clarity on the matter.
JM – actually, I WAS referring at the time to the Eagle’s video. However the technical issue is the same – I can read but not ‘play’ so transcripts would help.
So, I read the eagle’s excerpts from theirs and also K-TIP’s piece. I figure especially K-TIP covered their allegations well.
From memory of listening to the MP3 radio interviews with Kelly Summerlin:
The first case filed was having to do with wrongful termination. The judge dismissed the case before it reached the jury. At least that’s how I understand it.
The case involving the sexual harrassment suit was dropped by Summerlin as she felt that the case was distracting from her current life (she had just adopted or was in the process of adopting a child.) Morrion later tried to recover court costs, but the presiding judge dismissed Morrison’s claim.
The most shocking part of the video, at least to me, is when Morrison paid a visit to the adopted child’s natural grandparents. Summerlin said she couldn’t think of any reason for Morrison to visit the grandparents other than being an intimidation tactic.
I would like to hear from Morrison on the matter why he visited the grandparents. It certainly appears to be out of the ordinary and more than coincidental contact.
It was an interesting interview and worth listening to if one gets a chance.
The claim about the rgandparents is interesting. Is there anything there? Or is it just smoke.
I tend to have a bit of a knee-jerk rejection reaction to anything like this so close to an election – regardless of which side.
It’s like WSClark’s claim above – is it true? I would need a LOT more substance than I have seen thus far.
Ben,
Indeed the grandparent issue is quite interesting.
I don’t know the court mechanisms of that particular case, but sexual harrassment can be filed with local jurisdiction or with federal.
Since Kline can’t obviously check out the claims of intimidation because of conflict of interest (political campaign issues) I suppose he could file with an U.S. Attorney to intercede with a finding on the matter.
How all this ‘iffy’ stuff works in reality may be an unsaddled horse with no reins.
Of course, as you said, it may be ’smoke’ and nothing to it. Certainly peaks my interest though.
Please help me. I have seemed to miss just what is going on with this story. Would somebody mind boiling this down? Please don’t do a massive cut and paste. As the idiot Bill O’ sez, keep it pithy. I would appreciate it.
I listened to the MP3 recording of Summerlin’s interview. It sounded clear to me that Morrison had consumed too much alcohol, made a statement that he obviously regretted and he apologized for it the next day.
Summerlin claimed there was a hostile work environment created after the incident, but I did not hear her give even one example of that. So, I would say that part of her story is pretty weak.
Summerlin’s implication of “I couldn’t have been that bad of an employee, if Morrison allowed me one week before I couldn’t return to work” was also pretty weak. What is her complaint, exactly – and her due-process complaint was found to be without merit.
If Morrison was visiting the bio-grandparents of the adoptive son to intimidate Summerlin or to disrupt the adoption in some way, that would have been pretty cruddy behavior. Problem is, we don’t know if Morrison did this. Summerlin claims that she heard he had done this through some un-named third parties.
I don’t know, I’m inclined to think this is much in the way of smoke (or rumor and innuendo), but little in the way of fire.
I am not counting on the k-tip to provide much unbiased info after their screed above.
In the Summerlin interview that it was unfortunate that the interviewer failed to ask Summerlin about the conflicts of interest held by her legal representatives.
Thank you. It does have an odor to it. Please excuse the dumb question, what’s the k-tip?
Kansans for Truth In Politics (K-TIP)http://k-tip.org
I went to the k-tip website where they have a blog entry about Morrison being in Tiller’s pocket.
Morrison has denied receiving money from Tiller or his PAC, ProKanDo. There has never been any documentation of such donations that I have seen. Unfortunately, it won’t be until after the election before we can know who all of Morrison’s contributors were. I think this unclarity is due to flawed legislation. We should be able to see who donates to our candidates up until the day of the election. Some sunshine here would be a good thing.
K-tip is probably one of the underground Republican “news” organs. You know, the kind that got Tiahrt elected under the radar of the local news in ‘94.
I’m with Ben above: if you find yourself swayed by any “news” released in the 4 weeks immediately preceding any election – especially slander disavowed and then one week later abruptly spun as “news” by the candidate running behind in the polls – then you unfortunately would become the prototypical citizen deserving of having your voting rights rescinded.
Pedant,
Voting rights rescinded? And who might that be doing the rescinding?
I didn’t realize we lived in a tyrannical society where rights could be taken away for writing in a blog.
Or is that just wishful thinking?
I would favor the name change of – Kansans for Republican Truth in Politics K-RTIP. That would seem to more honestly reflect the sites content.
Interesting… Kline has to go back 15yrs to find questionable dirt on Morrisson, and all Morrisson has to do is cite Kline’s record while in office! Sounds like somebody’s pretty desperate here.
What really go me was yesterday on Ch 12 news, they announced that the Kline ads were misleading and the lowest form of distortion and mudslinging, and had been withdrawn. They then cut to commercials, and waddayaknow, there’s that same ad! Oh well, I guess Kline’s money is green too.
As a registered Republican, I saw how Kline could NOT run a clean campaign. When will those running for office understand that mud slinging shows us as desperate they really are? Tell me as a voter why I should vote for you, not why I shouldn’t vote for the other guy because more often than not, ads like yours are mere half truths. While I know that you won’t read this Mr. Klein, I just wanted you to know, I’ll be voting for Mr. Morrison in a few weeks and at this point, there is nothing that you can do to change my mind. I really hate to vote for a democrat however, his story is better than yours and I believe that he is the best man, or woman, for the job.
As a registered Republican, I saw how Kline could NOT run a clean campaign. When will those running for office understand that mud slinging shows us as desperate they really are? Tell me as a voter why I should vote for you, not why I shouldn’t vote for the other guy because more often than not, ads like yours are mere half truths. While I know that you won’t read this Mr. Klein, I just wanted you to know, I’ll be voting for Mr. Morrison in a few weeks and at this point, there is nothing that you can do to change my mind. I really hate to vote for a democrat however, his story is better than yours and I believe that he is the best man, or woman, for the job.
JB? Long time no see.
You shouldn’t feel TOO bad voting for Morrison. He was a Republican until just recently. Perhaps it is opportunism that made him switch. Or just perhaps he is being honest when he says he just could not follow the GOP down the road they are heading. Your post would seem to show a similar spirit of the latter JB. It would seem to be Kline that is the opportunist of late.
Part comment, part polemic, part wishful thinking.
In my opinion, if you as a voter actually allow last minute “news” to change your mind, to voting for the candidate whose side is breaking the “news,” then you’re an idiot.
There obviously isn’t any means testing for voting rights, but there probably should be.
Just watched the video, btw.
I think Kline’s media team does a GREAT job selling him as an attractive, upright, honest man.
Such a great job, in fact, that I’m surprised they let him anywhere near footage that they can’t edit. He certainly managed to undo several hundreds of thousands of dollars in image investment in about 3 minutes and change.
The Eagle did quote Phill Kline correctly “I’m not” but what was the queestion? Listen to the video: “Are you intending to use this?” What does the word “intending” me? Do news reporters understand how dynamic a political campaign is?
The Kansas Press thinks it’s so terrible that Kline brings up this issue about Morrison, but what about the even older case Morrison is using against Bryan Brown, Kline’s “convict” (according to Morrison) who is serving as Director of Consumer Protection. When has the press reported that dozens and dozens of Kansas clergy were also arrested in protests at abortion clinics like Brown, which is the “crime” Brown committed?
Morrison is allowed to attack Kline for an old case, but Kline is not allowed to adjust strategy even if he did not intend to attack Morrison about Summerlin?
The Kansas Press is showing how truly biased they are. The Wichita Eagle cannot even find the story about Tiller’s ProKanDo PAC sharing a Wichita address with the “non-profit” group sending out “educational” Snoop Dog political pieces against Kline. (see http://www.kansasmeadowlark.com/2006/10-23/index.htm )
Why did it take the Lawrence Journal World to find this Wichita story? And even after the story was reported, the Eagle then publishes only this AP story, http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/state/15857818.htm: “TV, radio spots pulled; mailing linked to Tiller”
Look at this quote: “Anti-abortion activists have suspected that the group is tied to Tiller, who donated $153,000 to ProKanDo, an abortion rights PAC, which then spent the same amount on radio ads against Kline four years ago as part of a larger campaign to elect abortion rights supporters.”
Was $153,000 correct here? It’s not even close yet the Kansas press IGNORES AND IGNORES facts that are not difficult to verify:
Kansans for Democratic Leadership formed on 10/14/2002
$40,000 from Tiller’s ProKanDo PAC on 10/21/2002
$6,000 from George Tiller on 10/23/2002
$55,000 from ProKanDo on 10/28/2002
$10,000 from ProKanDo on 10/30/2002
$153,000 from ProKanDo on 11/4/2002
$1496.13 to Democratic Tallgrass Committee on 11/19/2002
Kansans for Democratic Leadership files termination report 1/10/2003
http://www.kansasmeadowlark.com/2006/10-03/2002.htm
Why is the $153,000 figure the only one reported?
There is a HUGE political story from 2002 that is ignored. There is a HUGE poltiical money story from 2004 that is ignored. Why does the Kansas Press ignore political money if it comes from an abortion doctor in Wichita?
Dr. Tiller has perfected the process now in his “Snoop Dog” piece by making this an “educational” piece sent by a “non profit” exempt from campaign finance reporting.
Why do we even have campaign finance laws if one guy in Wichta can spend as much as he wants to affect Kansas politics, and the press ignores the story?
Meadowlark?
Can we get to the bottom of you at last?
I have tried.
Meadowlark you are an obscure columnist for an obscure paper. Right so far?
You also run a poorly attended blog.
So the question is, why is it that you bother this forum with your rather dry and boring rants? Are you seeking the attention of the most posted newspaper blog in the country in order to make yourself more heard and read?Hey you could make a name for yourself here? Oh but there is the matter of your rather poor and boring AND partisan ranting…..er writing.
Get lost meadowlark. Go find a song someone will listen to.
Meadowjerk, Tiller created Prokando so it’s not that surprising that he’d donate money to it. This is news? Perhaps you better go back to writing about what shoes Oprah wears because your “news” stories fall into the realm of the loudest yawn.
Personally any doctor who supports a candidate who respects patient privacy rights is a sort of doctor I’d prefer.
You know Meadowfart, I donated to some political campaigns this year too, will that make it into your headlines. How about this one, “Millions of citizens donate to political groups”. Well, that certainly isn’t very interesting to most people, so why do you find it so interesting.
Try informing us with something someone actually cares about. Doctors can spend their money on campaigns as much as they want, just like the Phelps donated to your buddy Kline.
One guy, JUST ONE GUY, can spend $300,000 or $400,000 during an election cycle on state politics and that’s not a story?
You or I are limited to what, $500 to a candidate per cycle?
It’s not a story when someone gets “special treatment” by skirting laws? I guess this is just a business expense for Tiller?
I do believe in free speech, and Dr. Tiller is free to spend his money however he wants. So why does he choose to hide what he’s doing and be sneaky with the political money he has to report?
It wasn’t a story when Topeka Mayor Butch Felker tried to funnel a few extra hundred dollars to his campaign several years ago? Felker received a record fine of $7500.
Tiller’s political money DWARFS spending by anyone else in the state. In 2004 Tiller’s ProKanDo PAC was the #4 PAC in Kansas ahead of agriculture political spending.
You really have to give Meadowlark credit for being consistently biased. He claims to not be able to find anything bad about the anti-choice nor the anti-tax groups, both of which he probably belongs. When we mentioned Koch, he turned a deaf ear because Koch’s support his endeavors.
There is a difference between someone funding their own campaign for a race, and someone who donates to their PAC and others.
So, were the numbers 1,2, and 3 PAC in Kansas?
Anyone know any details about this?-
“His campaign attorney(Morrisons) sent a letter last week to the broadcasters in this state threatening their broadcasting licenses if they continued airing a commercial that is critical of him.”-from Phil Raubin WIBW Topeka
http://www.raubinandmegan.com/blog/?p=38
Meadowlark is right. Tiller has BOUGHT political cover through his massive campaign contributions and is now trying to buy an AG who will not indict him for illegal late term abortions and concealing child rape. If any of you have ever traveled outside the confines of Kansas, you would know that everywhere else, this is considered CORRUPTION. Of course it makes perfect sense for a drunken skirt chaser like Morrison to promise to cover for the abortionists. I wonder how many times Tiller and his ilk have covered for his indescretions.
Rosemarie, that’s all a bunch of bull.Those are not defensable accusations.No facts, just sound bites like child rape and drunken skirt chaser.
“Why do we even have campaign finance laws if one guy in Wichta can spend as much as he wants to affect Kansas politics, and the press ignores the story?”
Why indeed? So that Kansas and Wichita in particular can remain the proud abortion capital? Or more likely because to do their journalistic duty would conflict with their vendetta against Kline.
Remember, George Tiller wants YOU to vote for Morrison.
Thank you Ks Meadowlark, and please continue to contribute to the forum.
That in no way warrants unfounded claims that are outrageous.Like Tiller protecting child rapists?Puh-lease.
Yeah, these people who are so ideologically wed to a clunker like Kline that they can’t make a dispassionate choice: this cracks me up. The speed with which they’ve manufactured controversy in the final days of the 2006 AG election reminds me of buying a new car: somebody wants something of mine and fast.
The level of hypocrisy displayed by the wacky wing of the Kansas GOP in the AG race approaches high farce. Kline flips: “I won’t use that in an ad,” then flops: “I will use that in an ad because I’m behind, but I’m pretty sure nobody’ll remember my promise of a week ago.” WTF? How can anybody find such a guy even credible, much less the best candidate for Kansas AG?
When it comes to Kansas politics ca2006, all we’re missing here is a legislator chasing somebody around with a shoe.
PHIL THE FLIP-FLOPPER
http://scienceblogs.com/tfk/2006/10/phill_kline_flipflopper.php
So, I guess no one is disturbed that a candidate for Attorney General may have intimidated a witness?
Sounds pretty scary to me, but maybe you like it rough eh?
JM, anyone on either side can, and do make unfounded allegations in an underhanded manner.What’s REALLY scary is the fact that some voters are stew-pud enough to believe them and let hearsay influence their vote.Let’s look at their public record of votes and experience to base our judgement on. That’s not so scary.
Saying that Morrison shelters child rapists while he runs around drunk chasing women is just totally outrageous to the point of libel.
LOL, like I said the ideological wedding on display here is amusing.
You got your candidate A, who “may have” intimidated a witness (although again, this seems be merely manufactured; for instance, if I were inclined to give this last-minute accusation any weight at all, I’d probably want the witness’s own take on things).
On the other hand, you got your candiate B, who lies on videotape – and wants to be rewarded for it.
Hmmmm, maybe (a bully) vs. is (a liar).
At this point, if you’re still thinking of voting for candidate B, then you’re probably not going to do very well when you buy your next new car.
Tracy, Pedant,
So the audio interview of Summerlin is fake? Why would she say something libelous about Morrison visiting the grandparents?
Most issues about a candidate do come up in the last minute, that is the nature of a campaign. I never heard of Morrison before two weeks ago.
Pedant, you should really avoid using if/then statment analogies, you’re not very good at it.
So you’re voting for candidate B?
Thanks for the compliment on the “if/then analogies,” JM.
LOL, because coming from you that’s what it must be.
JM.
It is quite apparent that you are looking for any reason to justify the Kline attack on Morrison over the dismissed sexual harrassment charges, while ignoring the steaming pile of elephant crap in the room. Kline said he wouldn’t use the dismissed lawsuit in the campaign, then he did so.
The articles you posted do not help your case. The speculation about intimidating witnesses is unsubstantiated. What is not unsubstantiated is that Kline said one thing and then less than a week later did the opposite. Kline lied, flagrantly. There is no indication that Morrison lied other than the allegation that was dismissed, and that would be the case regardless of the actual truth of the allegation. Thus, the reality of the allegation can not be considered evidence that the allegation is true.
This statement from you;
“So, I guess no one is disturbed that a candidate for Attorney General may have intimidated a witness?
Sounds pretty scary to me, but maybe you like it rough eh?”
is flagrantly hypocritical since you apparently are not disturbed by the documented fact that Kline lied. Since you are apparently not disturbed by a proven allegation against Kline (you haven’t acknowledged it in this discussion), you are in no position to chide your opponents about their looking speculations about Morrison that are not nearly so well supported.
“looking” should have been “overlooking” in my previous post.
“Most issues about a candidate do come up in the last minute, that is the nature of a campaign.”Posted by: JM | October 28, 2006 at 08:44 AM
LOL, no wonder you were so upset upthread about rescinding voting rights.
If you actually allow your vote to be swayed one way or another by any “news” released in the 4 weeks prior to an election, then you’re an idiot.
“I never heard of Morrison before two weeks ago.”Posted by: JM | October 28, 2006 at 08:44 AM
QED
Meadowjerk is appalled by Dr. Tiller’s spending on campaigns. Is he doing anything illegal? Nope. So where’s the story?
There’s a story in Tiahrt taking dirty money from the convicted briber Jack Abramoff but Meadowdork won’t report that because it involves a corrupt Republican.
Kline gets illegal campaign donations from churches. Does Meadowlurk report on that? Nope, because Kline is a Republican.
Tiller legally donates money to campaigns and this is a news story? Nope, but Meadowfart is desperate to find corruption on the side of Democrats and just can’t find any.
Better luck next time in your career as a wannabee journalist.
KSagnositc,
What specifically did Kline lie about? He ran a campaign ad and he said he wouldn’t? That’s not a lie, but a reversal of position.
Tiller,
I wouldn’t brand anyone substandard in a blog if I were you. Using terms like “Meadowjerk and Meadowfart,” proves that you are a heckler with absolutely nothing to add to a blog discussion but insults.
Also, point out to me where Kline speaking at churches is illegal. It’s okay when Clinton and Gore did it?
“e ran a campaign ad and he said he wouldn’t? That’s not a lie, but a reversal of position.”Posted by: JM | October 28, 2006 at 09:10 AM
LOL
“I guess it depends on what the definition of ‘is’ is.”
Pedant,
LOL is not a discussion.
And using Clinton speak isn’t either.
Why not try to debate the issues?
Did you know that 89 Sheriffs across Kansas support Kline including Democratic Party Sheriffs?
What would you say about that?
I noticed that one of our local Prosecuting Attorneys supports Morrison because he is a good Prosecuting Attorney. Does she realize there is more to the Attorney General office than prosecuting? I’m sure she does, so what else could be the motive for support?
“What specifically did Kline lie about? He ran a campaign ad and he said he wouldn’t? That’s not a lie, but a reversal of position.”
Uh huh. Well, this statement sure speaks to your credibility. Why do you think Kline said he WOULDN’T use the Morrison allegation in an ad? That’s a statment about future intentions. To then do the opposite of stated future intentions is to lie.
Reversing a stand in politics refers to changing one’s mind about a policy issue. To apply it to a candidate making a statement about not digging up a particular piece of mud, followed up by not only digging it up, but trying to put it front and center, is simply absurd.
This is what it almost certainly comes down to with you:
Kline is a candidate who represents the interest of the Christian Right.
You are sympathetic with the Christian Right’s interests.
Morrison is running against those interests.
Therefore, you attempt to defend Kline’s integrity while accepting the flimsiest evidence against Morrison’s. Because you certainly are applying very different criteria dependent upon which candidate you are referring to.
“He ran a campaign ad and he said he wouldn’t? That’s not a lie, but a reversal of position.”Posted by: JM | October 28, 2006 at 09:10 AM
“And using Clinton speak isn’t [a discussion] either.”Posted by: JM | October 28, 2006 at 09:24 AM
Jesus H Christ, you are either such a partisan that you can’t be rational or you’re so new to political discussion that you really hadn’t ever heard of Morrison until 2 weeks ago.
I’m betting on the former, but either way holding a “debate on the issues” with you would probably be a gigantic waste of time.
KSagnostic,
“Why do you think Kline said he WOULDN’T use the Morrison allegation in an ad? That’s a statment about future intentions. To then do the opposite of stated future intentions is to lie.”Posted by: ksagnostic | October 28, 2006 at 09:28 AM
So, you’re saying no one is every allowed to change their mind on a position.
Let’s say I’m all wet about Morrison and change my position and vote for Morrison. Now, I’m a liar because I changed my position. Is that about it?
You are sympathetic with the Christian Right’s interests. “Posted by: ksagnostic | October 28, 2006 at 09:28 AM
Nice try, but not even close. Evidently you think what Clinton and Gore did in Churches with campaign stump speeches was okay to raise compaign funds and support. Are Clinton and Gore part of the Christian Left?
I’m very suspicious of Morrison because of the circumstances. If the allegation about visiting the biological grandparents of Summerlin’s adopted childe before the child was adopted is NOT TRUE, then I would expect Morrison to come out and deny it.
He hasn’t made any denial, so I remain suspicious.
If it turns out to be untrue about Morrison, I’ll surrender my position on the matter.
Pedant,
I’m willing to discuss “ISSUES”, evidently you are not willing to do so.
I have never heard of Morrison before two weeks ago and why should I have? I don’t live in Johnson county, never have and have no plans to do so.
JM that’s FUNNY!!Reversal of a position, hahaha.That sounds like Tony Snowjob.So, if I borrow a thousand dollars from you with a promise to pay it back,is it okay with you if I “reverse my position on this issue” when payday rolls around? hahahah!
I would say that our state’s top law enforcement official lying in that capacity IS AN ISSUE.
Are there other “issues” you wanna debate?
We can talk about them without saying terrible, awful things like meadowpoop.
We know Kline wouldn’t stoop so low.
Tracy,Posted by: TRACY | October 28, 2006 at 09:46 AM”JM that’s FUNNY!!Reversal of a position, hahaha.That sounds like Tony Snowjob.So, if I borrow a thousand dollars from you with a promise to pay it back,is it okay with you if I “reverse my position on this issue” when payday rolls around? hahahah!”
No, that’s a verbal contract when it comes to borrowing money. If you wanted to take me to court and get your money back, you would have a very good chance of getting it.
Okay, using the same standards as you and other use for lieing, here’s a small scenario.
You promise your child to take him Six Flags. Your boss cancels your vacation, so you cannot go this year to Six Flags. You’re child calls you a liar. Are you a liar?
Circumstances often cause people to reneg, back-peddle, switch positions (reverse positions) or other similar terms, but it doesn’t mean they are liars.
I would have expected adults to know the difference, but perhaps I expected too much.
What exactly is the story here?Fact of life #1:
ALL POLITICIANS LIE.
The only “news” here is that there are idiots like the lot of you here who make a big deal out of a common occurence in American politics!
JM, perhaps neither one of our comparisons are that good.Will, sorry, but lowering standards for politicians is not acceptable.
For politicians, their code should be:WE DO WHAT WE SAY.
BTW, the meadowpoop thing is simply sarcasm.
Tracy,
Lowering standards!? Lowering standards!? Here’s a history lesson for you Tracy:
During the Bay of Pigs invasion, JFK PROMISED Cuban exile freedom fighters that they would get artillery provided by off-shore batteries, and air power. The planes never came Tracy, and I think you know exactly what happened to the landing party!So Tracy, In the 50+ years after this incident by a Democrat PRESIDENT, just how “low” did the standards of American politics go?
Try again buddy! :)
Sorry, I was very young when that happened, so I was in no position to debate JFK policies.
Did he rise from the dead to endorse somebody, or is he running for Kansas AG himself?
Whoever runs and wins, I expect them to be a person that does what they say, especially when it concerns ethics in law enforcement.
You turn buddy :)
Kline is a proffesional politician with hopes of moving to the Governors office someday.
Morrison is a proffesional prosecutor with the experience and ethics that make him a better candidate for AG.
All politicians lie to people Tracy. That’s just a fact of life. Didn’t they teach you that on The Facts of Life when you were growing up?
hehehe
Are you saying Morrison NEVER lied, as a politician?
Look guy, this is just an open and shut case of political mudslinging, so what’s the big deal? Mudslinging and American politics go hand in hand! So how can you say that one candidate is morally superior to another?
“One guy, JUST ONE GUY, can spend $300,000 or $400,000 during an election cycle on state politics and that’s not a story?”
Well, KsM, did you consider it a story when Charles Koch speny much more tham that with his “Citizens for the Education of the Republic” or whatever it is called? And how about whoever is behind “K-TIP”?
I think BOTH campaigns have been lousy. I tend to expect a challenger to have to do that because he has to give me a reason to vote AGAINST the incumbent. An incombent, on the other hand, should be telling me what he/she has done. The incumbent has a track record to run on much more than the challenger. He/she also has the fact that I am fairly happy with the way things have been done – if in fact I am.
That incumbency advantage is why I figured Kline would win re-election in the first place. While I think Morrison’s ads got to Kline I think the ‘desertions’ by Stephen and Stovall hurt much more – especially Stephen. They raised serious doubts about Kline; those doubts then took root. Morrison exploited them well; Kline never responded with “re-elect me because … ”
Thornburgh will waltz back in – the Sec State office seems well-run. Preager and Jenkins likewise. Their offices have not been in the news in a negative light. Kline needed to mount an affirmative defense of his policies as AG; he has not done so.
“You promise your child to take him Six Flags. Your boss cancels your vacation, so you cannot go this year to Six Flags. You’re child calls you a liar. Are you a liar?”osted by: JM | October 28, 2006 at 10:03 AM
LOL, and you apparently hold yourself to such a high standard vis a vis logic.
Kline’s on tape saying no, his campaign’s “not gonna use it, I’m not, huh uh. [shaking head] …we have consistently spoken of 323…” and he goes on to qualify his campaign’s possible use of a commercial about 323. His statement that he’s “not gonna use it [Morrison's allegedly settled lawsuit]” is clear and unqualified.
I repeat: clear and unqualified and on the record, he went out of his way to take the time to qualify his campaign’s potential use of another issue in advertising (323). One week later he uses it anyway.
Ok, if you as a father fail to tell your kid that your whole vacation is subject to the whims of your boss, don’t be surprised if your kid calls you a liar. At best you’ve displayed poor judgment by promising too much.
So at best Kline has displayed poor judgment here. He’s on tape saying one thing and then — one week later — flip-flopping when it’s politically expedient. OR he’s lied, take your pick.
Either way, is that a guy who should be elected KS AG?
Again, you guys kill me. You’re so ideologically driven that you completely miss how far down your position drives societal standards, whiff right over your heads, it just cracks me up.
Phill Kline: he may not be a iiar, but he shows every indication of using poor judgment while in office!
Quite the ringing endorsement, LOL.
what is 323?
By the way, how long did it take to produce the ad? I wonder if it was already underway?
Ben,
I believe 323 refers to Senate Bill 323 which was supported by Morrison. In short it reduces the probation period of convicted felons. Kline is against it because he says it allowed felons to become repeat offenders because of the reduced supervision time.
some random links:http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/15727397.htm
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17283626&BRD=1459&PAG=461&dept_id=155728&rfi=6
http://www.freestatemedia.org/news/latest-headlines/press-discovers-sb-323.html
Thanks JM. Yes, this is the sort of thing we SHOULD be debating. Excerpts from the KC link:
“In January 2000, Kansas faced the prospect that its prisons would soon be overcrowded. But the state was heading into an economic downturn, so building more prisons was not necessarily the answer.The Kansas Sentencing Commission offered a solution: shorten the length of time that prisoners who commit less-serious crimes remain under state supervision after their release. That would free up beds by reducing the number of offenders sent back to prison for violating terms of their release.Sen. Nick Jordan, a Shawnee Republican, said lawmakers were in no mood to spend a lot of money on a new prison and passed the commission’s recommendation in the final days of the session.Under the bill, the time behind bars imposed by the judge did not change.”
Note that Republicans did not want to spend the money to build prisons. So, what COULD have been done? Looks to be like 323 was the only option.
Kline voted against 323. Did he mount a drive to get the revenues to build more prisons? What was HIS solution?
Kline and Morrison are frequently questioned by criminals and other dishonest people as part of their jobs. Kline and Morrison can legally tell suspects and criminals alike that someone has “rolled” on them, snitched on them, etc, even when no real witness or evidence exists.To me, the Eagle really didnt deserve much more respect than any other adversary that Kline has had to face.Why, on Earth, would the Eagle ask such a question, about Morrison’s past, if the Eagle did not realize that it was going to be a problem for Morrison, the Eagle’s pet candidate this year?Why should Kline, or any other candidate, be required to make bindiing campaign strategy promises to political opponents?
The Eagle is the political opponent of every conservative candidate. The Eagle only endorses political candidates when the Eagle KNOWS that candidate will win anyway. I question why Kline even interviewed with the Eagle. I believe that the Eagle should be boycotted, in the future, by conservative candidates. Kline might as well have done the interview in Morrisons campaign office!——-The Eagle has not asked if any taxpayer money changed hands to settle this complaint.The Eagle has not asked the Johnson County Commission if this sexual harassment case was the subject of any discussions held in closed-door “executive session.”The Eagle DID ask and answer those questions, both in the editorial section and on the front page, repeatedly, when Republican Sedgwick County Treasurer Jerry McCoy got into hot water for giving a gift certificate to a local spa to one of his employees.
Crying around ’cause your candidates are going down there Paul the shill?
Paul Rosell
Hey numbnuts? If the Eagle is as biased as you seem to think it is then why have they not DEMANDED that Todd Tiahrt debate his democratic challenger Garth McGinn? They have said NOTHING about Tiahrts hiding in DC and refusing to debate McGinn. You want proof?
Hey Eagle editors. For what by my count is the 27th time, I call for the Eagle to demand that Todd Tiahrt be accountable to his constituents and our political traditions. Can ya help?
Kline is toast. Don’t blame the Eagle because Kline is a kook with an agenda that keeps him from doing his job correctly much less being an effective campaigner.
Supposably, and I did not view this debate; “Morrison waved a Kansas City Star Editorial at the camera claiming that Vernon D. Harris, who committed a murder more than four months after his early release from prison. The content of the editorial claimed that Harris was not released early because of Senate Bill 323.”
The fact remains is that the Parole Board made an error because of the influence of Senate Bill 323 and Vernon D. Harris did in fact commit a murder four months after his early release.
More comments about Morrison using false claims to tarnish Kline’s image:
http://www.freestatemedia.org/video–morrison-gets-it-all-wrong.html
Morrison in the case referenced above more or less accused Kline of professional misconduct, but when it was later proved that Morrison was wrong, Morrison refused to retract his statements.
This falls directly in violation of Kansas laws governing attorney conduct in a case by falsely accusing an attorney (Kline) of misconduct or mismanagement in a trial.
“The Eagle has not asked if any taxpayer money changed hands to settle this complaint.”
GOP shill Paul – that is because it has already been answered – NO. I’m sure they also didn’t ask if 2+2=4 either.
By the way, I am betting the Eagle endorses Tankerless Todd – AGAIN.
Ben,
Concerning the ‘Tankerless Todd’ reference. Wasn’t this loss of contract jobs due to Boeing’s restructing and selling of there Civilian division of Boeing in Wichita?
What would a private company’s decision have to do with Tiarht?
Was this reference to the contract of 767 tankers being sold to Italy?
I’m fuzzy on this topic, explain if you wish.
TracyMorrison shelters child rapists while he runs around chasing skirts, taking Tillers money (Tiller held a fundraiser for Morrison in Washington D.C.) and intimidating witnesses against him.(Truth is an absolute defense against libel. Also, public figures such as Morrison, for all practical purposes, can’t sue for libel and slander. It is impossible for public figures to win. I believe that what I just said is True, and that is all it takes for me to win in court.)
DougPlease give me the case number on your legal claim that Kline received “illegal” contributions from Churches.You went way over the top on that one.I realize we are in the heat of a campaign, but you should have someone check you work before you make such outlandish claims in print.
“chasing skirts”? Shill-Paul, you are stooping even lower now I see! Gotta admit, you are definitely fun to watch! “intimidating witnesses”? Can you back that up with anything more than hallucinations? “shields child rapists”? Come on shill-Paul, that should even be below YOU! But, I guess NOTHING is beneath shill-Paul.
JM – Todd kept tellinh voters he would secure those jobs through his employer – Boeing. He never did.
Paul – it doesn’t matter if what Doug said was true or not – at least according to YOU!
“I realize we are in the heat of a campaign, but you should have someone check you work before you make such outlandish claims in print.” Yoy mean outlandish claims like “shelters child rapists” etc? Wow, look at the pot calling the kettle black!
Shill-Paul, how about the case number for intimidating witnesses? Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t have to be true, just what you “believe”!
Oh gee, Paul is actually interested in facts. Well Pauly boy, Spirit One Christian Center uses their tax-exempt church property to campaign and endorse Phill Kline. Hence their tax-exempt property is being used as a contribution. It’s illegal under tax law hence Phill is receiving illegal campaign contributions. Not to worry, I sent a letter to the IRS with the evidence to remedy this problem in the future.
Of course Phill’s memo said he endorses such illegal activity, actually encourages it. So it’s not like he’s terribly innocent about the entire thing. Sorry to hear you back a criminal for Attorney General.
Hey Paul, since you are so up on the facts how about naming one child rapist that Paul Morrison has sheltered.
Just one. Can you do it Paul?
JR and BenThe Eagle did not believe that Tiahrt could be defeated.The Eagle saves its fire for those conservatives the Eagle feels are truly vulnerable.By endorsing “sure thing” conservatives, the Eagle tries to present a false image of not being biased against conservatives.Show me a time where the Eagle chose a long shot conservative against a well known liberal???
Thought I’d throw this out for an issue.
Medical records legally do not belong to a patient, but are rather the property of the Medical Care Provider who has custodial rights over the records.
Sebelius and Morrison have taken issue against Kline stance on viewing medical records.
Sebelius and Morrison’s claim: “Phil Kline: Fighting to let government seize your private medical records.”
According to Kline, “the effort is aimed at unreported sexual abuse of children and whether abortion clinics are performing illegal late-term abortions.”
There were several subpoenas by Clinics to remove private information that may identify the patient.
If medical records are indeed legally the property of the Medical Care Provider, is the campaign ad by Sebelius and Morrison misleading?
JM – NO. Although the provider has certain rights to the records federal HIPPA law is supposed to protect their privacy on behalf of the patient. It would be criminal activity, for example, if your DR gave me your records.
No Paul, the Eagle saves its ire for those conservatives who have gone over the edge – like you.
DougThe traditional “exceptions” for which most people would allow abortions are for “rape, incest and life of the mother.”It is a fact, Doug, that a majority of people frequently respond that they would outlaw all abortions except for rape, incest and life of the mother. Medically speaking, the “life of the mother” exception is very rare and almost nonexistant.Therefore, of the three, traditional exceptions, YOU, Doug seem to be claiming that Abortion is NEVER done to kill the products of rape and incest? You, Doug, think that rapists and incestuous family members have no motive to destroy evidence by seeking out Dr. Tiller?Well Doug, if abortion NEVER occurs to cover up rape and incest, maybe we don’t need abortion at all?Morrison is supported by Tiller.Tiller does not want an AG that enforces the law.Therefore, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to “connect the dots.”Morrison will look the other way when it comes to child rape.Tiller says so with his own money!
DougThe “victims of child rape” would be known by law enforcement, if Tiller would report such things to the authorities as required by law.Tiller wants Abortion friend Morrison to win.Tiller does not want a Kansas Attorney General who follows enforces the law.
Paul – prove to us that Tiller wants to protect child rapists.
“Morrison shelters child rapists while he runs around chasing skirts, taking Tillers money (Tiller held a fundraiser for Morrison in Washington D.C.) and intimidating witnesses against him.”Posted by: Paul F. Rosell | October 28, 2006 at 12:56 PM
Hilarious. Talk about over the top, LOL.
BenWhat other motivation would Tiller have to want Morrison elected?Tiller is the BIGGEST player in this race, by far.Why?If Tiller isn’t breaking the law, why would Tiller be so worried about Kline?
Still laughing at Paul’s latest.
What’s that remind you of, the cadence of this sentence?
“Morrison shelters child rapists while he runs around chasing skirts, taking Tillers money and intimidating witnesses against him.”
Is that like Swift Boat II or what? These guys are killing me, LOL.
PendantI plagiarized the quote about Morrison, adding some words of my own.I did so because dim bulb Tracey tossed out the slander and liabel stuff.I believe the words to be true, even if I wasnt the first to use all of those words.Truth is an absolute defense against liable and slander.
Neither RoseMarie nor Paul Rosell, nor anyone else who has gone after Morrison will ever get so much as an scolding for what we say here.Even if the Tyrant Morrison, by some miracle, wins, this is still America.I am not trying to adopt anybody, but my family members will tell Morrison to go to hell if trys to scare any of them.——By the way, anyone ever notice that some of the staunchest defenders of abortion rights tend to be men like Morrison and Clinton, men who do not treat women very well?Abortion destroys evidence and eliminates the risk of child support.Men who support abortion rights are not, necesarily, being “pro-woman.”
Paul – “If Rosell isn’t breaking the law, why would Rosell be so worried about Morrison?”
“men who do not treat women very well” – according to GOP shill Resell.
“Tyrant Morrison” – gee, I think ol’ shill Rosell is getting upset!
Whoa Paul you really are rounding the bend!
Posting that you will post anthing you like because it is not legally actionable? Hey why don’t you swing naked from the rafters spitting chiclets and hurling your own feces at the wall? You’d be just about as credible!
I can see you are frustrated to the point of mental breakdown Paul. Please allow me to help!
Kline is going to lose.
Abortion is going to remain legal and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
There I lit the fuse…..
Go BOOM for us Paul!
Paul has put us all on notice: HE WILL LIE TO HIS HEART’S CONTENT BECAUSE IT IS NOT ACTIONABLE! IN OTHER WORDS, ACCORDING TO PAUL, WE SHOULD BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS!
Thanks for making that clear Paul.
Shoot Ben we all already KNEW Paul was a lying shill.
(He still owes me a link to a comic book or fortune cookie by the way)I think Paul is trying to show us that he is stark raving batshit crazy. I’m loving every minute of it!
JRAbortion will be far more regulated 20 years from now than it is today.Kansas abortion law is more liberal, less restrictive, than any country in Europe.Kansas abortion law is less restrictive than New York or Main abortion law.I do not think that all abortions will ever be completely prohibited.However, the vast majority of the population in this country, and in the state of Kansas, thinks that we should have more restrictions.Morrison likes our status as the abortion capital of the world.So does George Tiller, who is supporting Morrison.
This is going to be fun to watch. There are certain people I would like to see elected just for the joy of watching the haters get apoplectic. For example, if Hillary were to get elected president (which I do not think will happen) people like dopehead Rush would burst a blood vessel. There are those on the Democratic side who would have a fit if Barnett beat Sebelius.
It is going to be so much fun watching Paul “I will Lie all I want” Rosell do a complete meltdown a week from next Tuesday night!
Of course politicians lie; any of them who try to tell their constituency what’s really going on get voted out for not telling voters what they want to hear! After object lessons like that, do you really expect them not to lie?
Paul,”Abortion will be far more regulated 20 years from now than it is today.”You mean after the population of this country passes 400,000,000? It may be more regulated, but not in the direction you hope for!
It is too beautiful a day to be inside and so I must go out and enjoy it for awhile.
Paul? You are free to have your own little reality. You are even free to try and inflict it on others through convincing arguement.
Oops! You’ve totally destroyed your credibility and even brought into question your sanity.
What you CAN’T do is make everyone else live in your rather odd world of the truth according to Paul F Rosell.
Stay away from sharp objects is my advice!
JR – good point – I’m heading out. Besides, GA-FL is on soon. I’m hoping the DAWGS can salvage their season.
“‘Why do you think Kline said he WOULDN’T use the Morrison allegation in an ad? That’s a statment about future intentions. To then do the opposite of stated future intentions is to lie.’Posted by: ksagnostic | October 28, 2006 at 09:28 AM
So, you’re saying no one is every allowed to change their mind on a position.”
Nope, I didn’t say that. Your claim that Kline’s statement is simply a change in position is outrageous, and it’s outrageous because you didn’t answer my question. Brownlee specifically asked Kline a question as to whether he was going to use the allegation against Morrison. Kline denied that he was and then called a PRESS CONFERENCE within the week, and then followed it up with an ad. To label that as a simple change in position is pathetic. And you neglected to anwer my question, so I will repeat it: Why do you think Kline said that he WOULDN’T use the Morrison allegation in an ad? He could have said I don’t know or maybe, but he said he wouldn’t do it and then went on (and on) to talk about what he “would” do instead.
JM: “Let’s say I’m all wet about Morrison and change my position and vote for Morrison. Now, I’m a liar because I changed my position. Is that about it?”
No, that’s not about it. Kline…was…asked…a…specific…question…about…how…he…would…conduct…his…own…campaign. A campaign that is under his control. He’s the candidate. He said he would not use the (unproven) Morrison allegation, then he turned abound and did so within the week. This is a far cry from someone changing his mind about who he will vote for, or simply changing his mind period. In fact, there would be a difference between someone else, say you, thinking one moment that Kline shouldn’t use the Morrison allegation and then, because of your reading of right wing blogs like ksmeadowlark’s, deciding he should go ahead and use it, and Kline himself making a statement about his future conduct and then totally going against that. There is such a thing as honor. Kline demonstrated he has none.
“‘You are sympathetic with the Christian Right’s interests.’ Posted by: ksagnostic | October 28, 2006 at 09:28 AM
“Nice try, but not even close. Evidently you think what Clinton and Gore did in Churches with campaign stump speeches was okay to raise compaign funds and support. Are Clinton and Gore part of the Christian Left?”
Why am I not even close? Your subsequent discussion of Clinton and Gore is totally irrelevant with regards to your sympathies. I’ve seen your posts here. Your positions are predictable, and follow the interests of the Christian Right. The most egregious example is where you made the baseless claim that churches would be forced to marry gay couples:
“How, you say? Okay, a Baptist Preacher refuses with the consent and support of his congregrationto allow a homosexual marriage to take place in the Church’s sanctuary. A court rules in the favor of the homosexual couple stating that being church members, the rules of church explicitly state that any member of the church may use the sanctuary for a marriage ceremony.
Now what we have here are courts telling a Church how to conduct their church business with no regard to their beliefs.”
I am not aware of any minister of any church being forced to perform marriages they don’t approve of. Ever. I am a member of a denomination that has ministers that refuse to perform ANY marriages as a protest until same sex marriages are legally allowed under civil codes. I am not aware of them being legally compelled by a court to change their position. Even in the example you gave, you used the “Baptist” church’s own rules against it. You have also argued against the validity of evolution as a scientific theories (or set of theories) and you have PREDICTABLy defended Kline. My assessment that you are “sympathetic with the Christian Right’s interests” is supported by your own posting behavior. Maybe your position on Kline verses Morrison is more due to you being a diehard Republican loyalist and your distaste for Morrison changing political parties to run against Kline. Either way, you are clearly not in any way applying similar criteria in your evaluations of Kline and Morrison, which is obviously due to pre-existing biases in favor of Kline. There is actually nothing wrong with such a bias (I freely admit to having a bias against Kline), but your bias becomes particularly relevant when you argue for suspicion of Morrison based on fairly flimsy heresay evidence on one hand, and yet argue that Kline simply changed his position when it came to a question on his FUTURE conduct, where he specifically denied he would do something, and then did it less than a week later.
Ok, what happened to my post.
Gotta use the preview buttion.
Full statement:
Kline was asked a specific question about how he would conduct his campaign.
Apparently the board software had problems with all of those periods.
BenYou happen to be aware of the fact that I was once falsely accused of something, and that I made national news in the process.
That false charge was the result of a bogus lawsuit filed by George Tiller under the KKK act. That lawsuit and all lawsuits under the KKK act were tossed by the Supreme Court of the United States.
To wrongly, falsely accuse someone of something does break a commandment. It is wrong.
My point was that public figures cant sue in court when they are wrongly accused.
Ironic isnt it?
You think Morrison has been “falsely accused” of sexual harrassement.Morrison’s biggest supporter, George Tiller, is the man who falsely accused me!You get me an apology from Tiller, and I will consider an apology to Morrison for speaking without iron clad proof.However, I still believe that Morrison got drunk, made an ass of himself and then intimidated witnesses and family members of his accuser.Since Morrison is a public figure, he cant sue, just like I could not sue and win, when I was FALSELY accused.
By the way, the Supreme Court tossed the fines against Bryan Brown, just like the Supreme Court tossed out the case against me.Morrison is either a rotten attorney or a liar, since a good attorney should know this fact already.
Paul did you REALLY encourage kids to lay down across Kellogg? For real? Is that what the charge was? If it’s not true, why didn’t you say that’s what the charge was?
Hey Paul, if Tiller didn’t report suspected child abuse, why isn’t he being charged?
Answer me that, since it’s Phill Kline who would surely be the first one to put that charge on him. Morrison isn’t in office yet to protect him if it’s how you say.
GOP shill Paul – let us suppose for a moment that there is something to your claims about Tiller/Morrison. After all, the Salina Journal sure has been pushing that too. Why, then, divert attention away from that (which would be relevant if true) and go to this 15-year-old nothingness? From a simple strategic perspective it makes no sense.
Now we have you stating that truth doesn’t matter and you will harp on the supposed harassment claims. Sounds pretty desperate to me. You make all those wild accusations but give no evidence.
Ironic isn’t it. You complain about exactly what you do.
In and out on the cusp of this gorgeous Halloween Saturday…
“Ironic isn’t it. You complain about exactly what you do.”Posted by: Ben Huie | October 28, 2006 at 04:17 PM
Corollary to Ben’s profound observation: 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
Paul – all I know about you being falsely accused is what you have told me. As for the national news – well I must have missed that.
By the way Paul – what were you ‘falsely’ accused of? Did that have anything to do with the election fines you paid?
Yeah National News? I typed in Paul Rosell, Tiller, convicted, supreme court and got ONE article. And I never saw where he was acquitted of anything.
p-m – could you link the article for us? Is it the one where he paid the big fine?
KSagnostic,
You pull some quotes from a blog on a different topic that I wrote and put it into this one? Your credibility just went down to zero as far as I’m concerned.
You say because I vote Republican I’m a follower of Christian Rights. I’m a traditionalist and loyal for one, my family has been voting Republican since the party was formed.
Do, I like all the things that the certain politicians have done wearing the Republican moniker? No, of course not.
I go with the ups and down of the party and will be the first in line to scold any Republican that does things beyond the pale.
And KSAgnostic, to use your technique…If…I…tell…someone…today…I’m voting…for…Kline…but Nov 6…I vote…for…Morrison….am…I..a..liar…or have…I…just…changed…my…position.
Flip-flopping?
ROFLAR
Posted by: RD | October 28, 2006 at 05:58 PM “Flip-flopping?”
You mean like your two golden boys, Parkinson and Morrison?
No, I was posing a hypothetical to address a point.
Sure thing Ben, here ya go.
http://www.mikemalloy.com/archives/round41.htm
type in “rosell” into your “find on this page”.
Thanks – hey Paul, did you really encourage children to lie down on Kellogg?
Campaign circular received in the mail today (Oct 28,2006.)
“VOTE SEBILIUS/MORRISONProtecting Your Private Medical Records…Phill Kline: Fighting to let government seize your private medical records.”
The circular is paid for by Kansans for Lifesaving Cures, Brad Kemp, Treasurer.
A spokesman for Kline Campaign addressed this issue:
“…that a judge must issue a subpoena for a prosecutor to obtain medical records. In the case of Kline’s investigation involving the clinics, a judge found “probable cause” to believe that evidence of a crime might be in the records.
“For someone to have that kind of fear, there’s no reason for it,” Jones said of the arbitrary seizure of medical records. “The judicial system is set up in such a way to protect medical records.”"
The organization that sent the circular appears to be a Stem Cell research support group.
You decide, is someone using scare tactics to gather votes? Or have they just put an issue out of context?
Ok someone who lives in Wichita, go up to the courthouse and dig up them records, this I HAVE to know if it’s true or not.
“is someone using scare tactics to gather votes”
You mean things like all that vitriol spewed against Moeeison by Rosell?
This whole campaign stinks. Both sides. If there were a third choice …
Apparently because of some loophole in the law Paul could endanger children and get away with it.
political momEveryone, including the reporters on the scene at the time, knows that I did NOT tell anyone to lay down in the street.A KFDI reporter, in particular, told several people that I was not happy about the children being in the street.Operation Rescue leaders, from the time, will tell you that I argued with them about even using kids in protests of any kind.—–As one of the young girls, Clair Donelly, who came to Wichita from Michigan that day, said to me, while she was under the car:
“Sir, I can go into that building and have an abortion if I want one, and neither you nor my parents nor the police can stop me.What gives you the right to tell me how to protest abortion?”
I was speachless, for the first time in my life, perhaps.
Let us not forget, however, the Federal Courts have virtually no authority over juviniles, especially when it comes to conspiracy charges, injunctions can not restrain “the whole world” but must NAME those covered by the injunction, I was never put on notice that the injunction covered me, which is required of all injunctions that might ever seek to restrain me, the KKK act requires a showing of “class based animus” or malice, and the Supreme Court said that was not the case, that there was NO malice, anger or hate involved, and the KKK act requires a showing of a “denial of civil rights under color of law” which means Tiller had to show that the government was blocking access to his clinic, which again, the United States Supreme Court says Tiller and all abortion clinics failed to do. The KKK act was tossed out, in all cases, everywhere across the country, as a weapon to use against abortion protesters.RICO was also tossed out by the Supreme Court, because there is no profit motive involved in O.R.
To answer your direct question, Tiller accused me of sending kids into the street. The Wichita Police never filed charges of any kind against me. The SRS never questioned me. The girl in question, Clair Donelly, turned 18 between the time the US Marshalls picked me up and the time of my hearing. Clair offered to speak in my defense but she was threatened with arrest if she produced herself. We offered a written statement from Clair, who I did not know at the time, but the Court didnt care to hear it.
Judge Patrick Kelly was drunk and my hearing and forgot the names of several people who came before him. I mentioned that fact to the 10th Circuit Court of appeals. I believe I would have won my case, in the 10th Circuit, even without any help from the SCOTUS, but the Supremes basically ended the legal case for everyone, Brian Brown included.
By the way, Tiller’s attorney filed a motion trying to dismiss my appeal before the 10th Circuit. Part of his motion claimed that I had NOT been accused of breaking any law and had no criminal charges pending against me! (This was a Civil case in which a false arrest was made, but they never admitted that I was arrested, not once. I was never read my rights. I was never told that I was under arrest.)—–I once filed an internal affairs complaint against an officer for pinching a nun on the ass and asking her out for a drink. The nun was praying the Rosary outside of Tillers. I have a letter, somewhere, from the Police Department informing me that this cop was not allowed to work for Tiller, part-time, anymore, after we caught him on tape sexually abusing a Catholic nun.Chief Stone was told to leave me alone, that I was not part of Operation Rescue. In return I did not go to the press with my videotape, which the Mayor and at least two City Councilmen were aware of. Stone got to me by getting the US Marshals to do his dirty work.I saw Stone talking to the Marshal who put the cuffs on me, he pointed at me and called out my name to get me to look at him, just prior to my “arrest”.What did they say to each other?Well gosh, all they “had” on me was that I was talking to the kids under the car, begging them to get out before they got hurt.Nobody cared what I was saying.Why should I care what they said to each other, Chief Stone and the Marshal?
So there you have it.
Apparently, Tiller likes to hire people who disrespect women, Morrison and the Cop I got into trouble.
Here’s a Political Satire Halloween Cartoon for your viewing.
http://mccluer.name/scary.jpg
Well Paul, now we have heard your side. Of cpourse, it doesn’t really matter since, as you stated above, truth doesn’t count. So, whether we believe your version or the other version, the only ‘truth’ is that which a person chooses to call the truth. That, according to you in justifying all your vile charges against Morrison.
So, Paul, what are you going to do when Morrison gets elected a week from Tuesday?
I wonder what Stone’s version would sound like?
Ok Paul, I’ve decided that you’re completely insane. Cops pinching nuns on the butt? Judges drunk? Videotape NOBODY has seen?
You jump between the RICO law and the putting kids in the street, completely different things. Yeah, it’s great RICO was overturned isn’t it, the only thing that separates the threat you people impose and RICO is whether or not the money involved. (rolls eyes). Any one of you could still be just as dangerous to those in the building.
I happen to know some of the people that Tiller hires, and I happen to know they’re fine individuals. So give me a break.
So were you CONVICTED of child endangerment or were you not?
Ben,
I agree on there being a third Choice. I would definetely take a closer look at a third party candidate.
Maybe the Wichita Eagle will look into Stone’s version of events concerning Rosell’s story. They have the investigative skills and resources to do such a thing.
JM – I doubt that they will. Why bother looking into nothing? I suspect that they did that back when whatever it was happened. From the link I can see why the cops might have been hyper-vigilant. That was the same time Shannon shot Tiller. So, at least some of those with Paul were armed and dangerous.
I’d rather they looked into the charges and counter-charges of the campaign. Paul is a nobody, a legend in his own mind.
wow, i’ve missed alot today…
now, to lay into paul myself.
Paul said: “Let us not forget, however, the Federal Courts have virtually no authority over juviniles, especially when it comes to conspiracy charges,”
So, this is the loop hole that paul used… smart paul… it just proves that he was charged with the wrong charges in the wrong courts…
Funny thing is that Paul would howl the loudest when a criminal sneaks through a loophole with a fancy lawyer. But Paul will use those same loopholes that he complains about.
Paul, I might have missed it in all these posts but what was the name of that child rapist you claimed Morrison sheltered? I’m sure you wouldn’t stake any possible credibility you may have by falsely accusing Morrison of crimes he didn’t commit. So if you could repeat that name one more time for ol’ senile me.
JM: “You pull some quotes from a blog on a different topic that I wrote and put it into this one? Your credibility just went down to zero as far as I’m concerned.”
Why? It went straight to my claim as to your political sympathies and the probably link between them and your credulity regarding allegations against Morrison verses your skepticism with regards to proven allegations against Kline. I’ve been on discussion boards for a long time, there is no rule against pulling comments from one discussion to another as long as they are germane to the point being made. That being said, my comments in reply to that comment were unnecessary (that is, I didn’t need to argue against your comments regarding ministers and churches and that was a digression), and I admit that I sometimes go into more detail than I need to.
With regards to your example, you are a liar if you know at the time that you are going to vote for Morrison but say that you are going to vote for Kline. By the way, your child also is justified in calling you a liar if you make a promise to take your child to Six Flags, then later simply decide not to (the boss analogy fails because Kline is the boss of his campaign, no one could compell him to use the allegations against Morrison). However, if you simply believe that you will vote for Kline and there is a subsequent revelation about either candidate that changes your vote, that would be different. That would be an honest change of mind.
Kline was asked a specific question about how he was going to conduct his campaign. Not how he was going to vote, not his position on an issue. He was asked about his future conduct. He said he would not “use” the Morrison allegation. Less than a week later he called a press conference to do just that. What do you think changed his mind? Was there some revelation about the Morrison allegation that Kline didn’t know when he made his denial to Brownlee? That is extremely unlikely, certainly he didn’t reveal any. He didn’t even reference that he changed his mind. Kline decided to use the very muck he said he wouldn’t use (which, by the way, even in the press conference video, he got wrong, there was no settlement). If you are so blinded by your loyalty to the Republican Party that you can’t see the difference between that and an honest change of mind, well, I am not going to lose sleep over your assessment of my credibility.
Well all of you can just shut up. I can say what I want to say and you can’t stop me.Get the hell off my back! I can say anything about any of you and I’m not liable. Phil Kline is a good man and abortion is going to be banned.
Paul, what was the name of that child rapist that Morrison sheltered? I re-read the lists and couldn’t find the name or names that you claimed to have.
Hey Paul,
I too “… can say what I want to say and you can’t stop me.”
You claim that “I can say anything about any of you and I’m not liable.” By equal rights, can I say something about your momma and not be liable for it?
WAH! WAH! WAH!
I CAN LIE ALL I WANT! I CAN CHEAT! I CAN STEAL!
BUT DON’T YOU GO HURTING MY FEELINGS!
WAH!
Now you people quit picking on Paul. You make him cry. Then he wets his pants and I have to change him.
WOW! I missed the fun after midnight last night. Paul, let me see if I understand this: You can lie and say anything you want about anyone. It doesn’t matter if it is true. BUT – nobody is allowed to say anythnig unkind about you. Nobody is allowed to call you on your statements.
Is that pretty much correct? One set of rules for Paul; the opposite for everyone else?
BenYou are putting words in my mouth. I never said that it was OK to lie. I clearly stated that public figures could not sue for liable or slander and expect to win. I said that, because I felt there was some attempted intimidation on this Blog. Truth is an absolute defense against liable. For a “public figure” to win a Liable or Slander case, that public figure must prove that the defendant knew that the accusation was false prior to the defendant making the accusation. This provision was actually designed to protect a “free press.” The Eagle and other reporters would howl if anyone tried to change this point of established law.—–
political momDrunken Judge Patrick Kelly found me in civil contempt of court.When I appeared before Judge Kelly, I was required to either “purge” and admit my “guilt” — and then promise to obey his order — or he would put me in jail until I did agree. This is how civil contempt works.Instead, I told Kelly that I never broke the law and that I never violated his court order and that I never told anyone else to break the law or violate his illegal order.Kelly heard a witness who clearly stated that I had told the kids to get out from under the car. Kelly called that witness by the wrong name at least twice.Kelly then found me in civil contempt of court.I then told Kelly, again, that I never broke the law in the first place, that I had not done anything wrong.I did not “purge” — but Kelly realized that he had a problem with my case and let me go without a true “purge.”(I never made an admission of guilt, but Kelly signed the paperwork as if I had. The transcripts do not match his ruling in my case. I do have those transcripts, or you can buy your own at the Federal Court House.)—–The 10th Circuit Court of appeals overturned that civil contempt verdict, based on the directives and precedents from the United States Supreme Court, under a different case.
There were at least a dozen reasons why the verdict had to be overturned by the 10th Circuit, regardless of the Supreme Court’s actions:
1.) I told the kids to get out from under the car.2.) I told OR leaders to get the kids out from under the car, and not to use kids in protests.3.) I yelled at police and the US Marshals to help me get the kids out from under the car. (The car was on Bleckly and the road was closed, the car was not on Kellogg)3.) I was not covered by Tillers illegal injuntion, even at the time that Judge Kelly was still enforcing it. “An injunction can NOT issue forth and bind the whole world, those subject to its provisions must be named.” “Those subject to injunction must be served.” (I was not named, I was not served.)4.) The kids involved were also not covered by the injunction, for the same reasons that I was not covered. Additionally, juviniles in general probably can’t be hauled into court under the KKK act. Federal Courts have limited jurisdiction over Juveniles.5.) I can not be held responsible for a conspiracy if I can not be shown to have “conspired” with someone covered by the injunction. Juveniles were NOT covered!6.) I had no arrest record, then or now. Tiller’s lawsuit and Kelly’s order, clearly stated that the injuntion was against OR members who had been arrested at anti-abortion protests.(I am not and never was an OR member, and was never arrested by local police in any protest).7.) The Wichita Police Department never even questioned me about the matter, because they knew that Tiller’s attorney was lying.(This is what Tiller’s attorney’s, including Morrison, do — they lie for Tiller!)—–I could go on, but my point is that, even if the Supreme Court did not throw out all KKK act lawsuits and all judgements under those lawsuits, I would have won my case on the facts and on the law.Don’t forget, Tiller sent a motion to the 10th Circuit trying to dismiss my appeal precisely because “Defendent is not in any further legal jeopardy and no crime has been charged against him.” (Words to that effect, my copies are all in storage now, but Federal Court records are public. Go to Denver and dig them up!)I kept my appeal alive by claiming that I had to resolve the issue precisely because I wanted the contempt citation overturned, so that It would not bring the SRS into my life, to investigate my childraising, and because I have several licenses which would be impacted by any further legal problems. Tiller assured the Courts that I had not broken any laws in this matter — but I kept my case alive precisely to expose the Kangaroo Kelly Court and to clear my name.—–Political MomI brought up the fact that the Supreme Court of the United States overturned all court judgements against OR based on BOTH the RICO statutes and the KKK statutes for a reason:
Morrison is lying about Bryan Brown!Morrison knows, for one thing, that any tresspassing charges were non-violent civil disobedience.Morrison also knows that all Federal judgements were over-turned by the Supreme Court of the United States. This would include the “fine” against Bryan Brown.You Morrison supporters want us to recoil at “unproven” charges against Morrison — Yet you seem to have no problem with Morrison making false charges against Kline and Bryan Brown!
Bryan Brown might have an “arrest record.” This is due to civil disobedience, peaceful protest.How many CONVICTIONS are on Bryan Brown’s record???I am guessing the answer is ZERO, because Morrison would make a point out of it if Brown was ever convicted of anything!
Bryan Brown absolutely, positively, does not OWE any court judgements to anybody. All fines under RICO and/or the KKK act have been overturned and nullified by the Supreme Court.Morrison (and the Eagle) are lying about this point.
Again, who is being dishonest here?
Morrison lies repeatedly!
spell checkYes it is libel and not liable!
Another thought:If only I was in GITMO, you libs would then worry about my civil rights!(I was never read my rights, was never given a chance to prepare a defense, I didnt know the specific charges against me until my actual hearing, at which I was immeadiately found guilty of contempt!)You “civil rights” champions are all a bunch of hypocrits!
There were at least two tapes of an off duty police officer pinching a Catholic Nuns ass and asking her out for a drink. One of those tapes belongs to me. This tape was made outside of Tiller’s clinic.This off duty cop was working for abortionist George Tiller.The officers name was T—–.The Detective who assured me, in writing, that this officer had been ordered not to work for Tiller anymore was Detective G—–.I was also told, in writing, that this misbehaving officer was being ordered to undergo some internal, departmental evaluations.(The powers that be really did NOT want this story to go public!!!)I think the details are not important. I can prove my case if I need to.By the way, the Detective’s letter to me was attached to a motion that I sent to the 10th Circuit Court in Denver.I explained to the 10th Circuit that Stone had used the Federal Marshals to get even with me.Dig up my case if you must, but the copy fees will cost you dearly!!!A promise is a promise and I dont feel like giving all of you a private viewing.You will find no one in authority at the time that can refute my claims.
Again, what is it about the “law enforcement” people who support Tiller that makes them so disrespectful of women? Morrion and this “security guard” seem to have a lot in common.
;^)
Let’s see now Paul – you go to great lengths to state that a successful libel suit cannot be brought EVEN IF THE STATEMENTS ARE FALSE! All you have to do is say “Gee, I thought it might be true” and even though false that is OK. Of course, even if you know something to be false it is impossible to prove. Thus – lieing is not actionable. i.e. – lieing is OK. And, it sure looks to me like you intend to exploit that loophole as much as you possibly can.
There has been no attempt to intimidate you Paul – that is YOUR stock in trade. Nobody has taken a gun to you. That again is something we have seen from YOUR side (remember Shelly Shannon?) The point that many have made is that since you have made clear that truth is not needed as a defense, only “I thought”, then you have lost credibility.
Now I DO think you make an important point with Brown. If those arrests did not lead to convictions then they SHOULD be considered irrelevant. I DO have questions about his experience being too narrow and limited but that is an entirely different question. And, if in fact the fines were eliminated then those too become a non-issue.
In the same vein, the unsubstantiated allegations of harassment against Morrison are also null and void. But, to read your words, they would seem to have been proven many times over!
I wish BOTH campaigns would lose the garbage. That is why I have said its too bad their isn’t a third alternative.
So his whole premise is that he wasn’t a member of OR, that he was just a sympathizer who aided their organization or an innocent bystander who just came by to watch?
I think it was NICE that Tiller’s attorney didn’t attempt to see you investigated for your kid’s sake. I guess they could have done that huh?
Here is what I don’t understand about you people.
I can certainly empathize with a woman who has had multiple miscarriages and desperately wants to have a baby and can’t…and she can look at these girls going to get abortions and say “why”. I can understand That someone worships their own God and believes that abortion is wrong. What I cannot understand is how I can understand that viewpoint, but those on the other side can’t for a second put themselves in the shoes of a girl who might die if she gives birth…or how she might have been gang raped and feels that baby growing in her is a reminder of those monsters…that she’ll be responsible for how that child is going to feel when he’s told he’s a product of a gang rape…or how they expect a 15 year old who can’t load a dishwasher without being told 10 times to care for a baby.
I don’t understand how they can’t see the other side- why abortions are awful but necessary for the situations that some other people are in.
I know Paul, it’s a huge conspiracy against you for no reason. You were all innocent and everyone just went after you.
Paul F Rosell
Quite a performance you’ve put on here! You are the arbiter of what is and is not true and everyone else should “just shut up!” Uh huh
And these rants of yours today. You go to great lengths telling the tale of the brave, good but persecuted and self vindicated Paul F Rosell! Who is it you are trying to convince? Us? Your sponsors? Youself?
Aw but Paul we have a history you and I. It is not fair for me to pronounce judgement on you. We are old adversaries with much bad blood.
It was a newer poster who I think defined you best. She is not clouded with a history with you. She brings a fresh perspective to what your peers here have long thought.Political mom nailed you with her 8:07 PM Saturday post:”Ok Paul, I’ve decided that you’re completely insane.”
But hey Paul rant away some more. Extoll us with tales of your past and why we must all live in the reality of a nut like you.
Paul, why should anyone believe you? You make a lot of absurd claims, one being that Paul Morrison shelters child rapists but you haven’t been able to name one person.
So why should we assume you aren’t lying now?
Paul, you should share some of indignation of being wrongly accused and share it with, say, those wrongly accused of being “unlawful enemy combatants.”
Think for a moment if the same kind of “justice” had applied to your situation.
Consistent principles aren’t fun when they help someone you don’t like, but they’re really the only way to run a country. And what can happen to someone else can eventually happen to you as well, once the principle is discarded.
“Consistent principles aren’t fun when they help someone you don’t like, but they’re really the only way to run a country”
Good point Rage – like when ACLU defends the rights of Rush Limbaugh. And Paul condemns them for that.
I regret ever calling Paul F. Rossell a “liar” because to be a liar one has to have some minimal appreciation of reality.
I am convinced after reading this thread that Paul is unable to distingish the difference between the content of his fevered imagination and reality.
It used to be that Paul could admit his many mistakes and mistatements. He seems to have lost that ability and I am not sure what that means, other than it is time to scroll past his rants sans reading them.
Haven’t seen Paul around today …
Good morning Paul …
paulfrossel has some mental problems apparently.
Nothing worse than aggressive stupidity.
Maybe Paul was abducted by pro-abortion alien cops who the drunken judge ordered to give him an anal probe?
Paul … ?
Has Paul risen from the dead … ?
NOTICE TO THIS BLOG:I was in route to Pennsylvania when this was posted, I was no where near a computer:
“Well all of you can just shut up. I can say what I want to say and you can’t stop me.Get the hell off my back! I can say anything about any of you and I’m not liable. Phil Kline is a good man and abortion is going to be banned.
Posted by: Paul F. Rosell | October 29, 2006 at 01:52 AM”
I am not sure if this has happened before, but I want to make you aware that some fraud has occured here. I dont necessarily disagree with this post, but I did not author the post.I am guessing that I was in Illinois at the time.I was with a Democrat campaign operative at the time, she can’t drive at night, she needed to get home for a family emergency, so I drove her.
I actually believe you Paul welcome to being trolled.
It just didn’t sound like something you normally say. It was too normal :P.
Anyway, as far as the “Morrison shelters child rapists” statement, —Again, folks, someone ELSE first made that claim on this thread.That person was instantly threatened with libel and slander laws, and I came to that person’s defense.I do think that attacking Phil Kline, for Klines aggressive pursuit of child rapists, is giving aid and comfort to child rapists. There are abortion clinics in Johnson County, as well as other clinics and centers where teenage, pregnant girls go. Those places are also supposed to report illegal pedophile activity. I don’t think Morrison has done any investigating, to see if the Johnson County health officials are obeying the law. Am I wrong here?——As far as my legal case goes, there is a further point:
Technically, the Supreme Court made it very, very difficult to use the KKK act against protesters.Administratively, what the 10th Circuit Court did was this:
After the SCOTUS ruling, the 10th Circuit ordered a new hearing for me and for all the other defendents in Kelly’s KKK cases.I believe Monti Bellot got my case, at the Federal Bench. It is hard to remember because it was all anti-climax at that point. I was never called back to court.He did have the authority to call me back into his courtroom.Intead, the NEW judge simply read the transcripts, read my motions, and dismissed my case.I don’t think I have ever seen or met the judge who made the final ruling on my case.I got a notice in the mail.Legally, it was never a “crime” to begin with, not even when Kelly’s ruling still stood. This was a CIVIL case. Civil Contempt is not a crime.Legally, it never happened, as a matter of LAW.The new judge dismissed the civil case against me.Kellys judgement had already been “vacated” by the 10th Circuit Court.If Drunk Judge Kelly had done nothing wrong, why did the 10th Circuit remove him from the case?—–There were some seperate cases where Criminal Contempt was charged. These were people who had climbed over the gates, ignoring the orders of the Marshals. Those cases got a new hearing, some got off and some did not, if I recall.The way I understand it, you can still be found guilty of violating a lawful order of a law enforcement officer, even if the court order involved is overturned by a higher court.
political mom
Call me a crazy right wing nut all you want. I find myself in good company there.However, you seem to think that I lack compassion.You are off the mark there.I have nothing but sympathy for the women and girls you speak of.I simply disagree with you about the best method to help them.
I told OR from the beginning that I had policy and tactical differences with them.I am more of a National Right to Life guy than an American Life Lobby guy.There is a difference.I think NRL works in the “real world” while ALL wastes time attacking prolifers for not being pro-life enough.—–However, I saw a way to help “keep the peace” during the Summer of Mercy and I did so.I helped get rid of a few “bad actors” on both sides of the debate.I also picked up billfolds and purses of those being arrested, since the Police did not want to deal with that burden. This actually saved the taxpayers money.I also video-taped people on both sides of the protest that were behaving badly, for legal documentation.It was never my intention to get arrested myself or to encourage anyone else to break the law.I made a contribution, a postivive contribution which helped smooth some tense situations.There are a few radical OR members that think I am a Judas, since I held them accountable, as well, when I thought they were wrong.OR also called me a “Judas” when Kelly said I had “purged”, or admitted guilt, until those who were actually in the Court Room stood up for me.—-In the end, this all worked to my benefit.I am the guy most responsible for recruiting the OR members into Kansas Republican politics at the precinct level.
I rode that support all the way to the 1996 Republican Convention.(By the way, the State Party paid the campaign finance fine that was spoken of, up thread. I could prove that the first pages of a report were faxed to the correct office. We found the cover page in one of their files, when they claimed it wasnt sent at all. However, I was never informed that the full report did not get transmitted. This happens frequently. Nearly every year a party treasured or a candidate has an “incomplete” or late filing. I trusted an employee with the GOP to get the report sent out correctly. She thought she had done her job. I believe her. No big deal. The fine that the party paid was less than 1% of what we raised that year. David Miller personally apologized to me for this mistake, as I had no control over office staff. However, if I am ever again Treasurer for anyone, I will deliver all reports personally. It was my fault. I tried to delegate what I should have done myself. It wont happen again.)
Actually, I was in my brothers hot tub, on Waterman near College Hill, at the time I got “trolled” but we left for Pennsylvania shortly thereafter.Not that anyone cares, but I dont want to get called a Liar.Did this Blog’s timer keep track of daylight savings time?Oh well.(I dont think any troll can be more outrageous than ME, the real Paul, so I wont worry too much about it, lol)