Bob Woodward’s account in his new book, “State of Denial,” of a July 10, 2001, meeting between then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and CIA Director George Tenet is a bombshell revelation in the ongoing dispute about who did what to stop Osama bin Laden.
According to Woodward, Tenet and his top counterterrorism official, J. Cofer Black, made an urgent trip to the White House to warn Rice of an imminent al-Qaida attack on U.S. soil and to urge the administration “to take action that moment — covert, military, whatever — to thwart bin Laden.”
But Rice gave them a “brush-off,” writes Woodward, and they left frustrated. Later, “Tenet looked back on the meeting with Rice as a lost opportunity to prevent or disrupt the attacks.”
Some members of the Sept. 11 commission expressed surprise and outrage Monday that they had never been told about the meeting. For her part, Rice said Monday that she can’t remember the encounter, and finds it “incomprehensible” that she would have ignored a direct threat warning.
Then again, it was Rice who told the Sept. 11 commission that an August 2001 presidential security memo entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the United States” was just historical “analysis” and didn’t amount to anything pressing.
If Woodward is right about this meeting, then Rice is in serious trouble.
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The Whitehouse’s rebuttal:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/09/20060930-5.html
Time to hear more from Tenet & Black. Is it possible this thing was covered up?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/10/03/MNG4ILH2RE1.DTL
They may have to resort to “that’s history”, “Old news”,”Clinton’s fault”.
Time for Roberts to come out and poo poo the latest revelation.
Can Rice remember the meeting or not? Depends on what day you talk to her.
http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061003/WIRE/210030325/1117/news
I can just picture her smugness at the meeting, knowing the real threat was from getting nuked by a rogue nation.
The administration is doing the “nebulous”, “non-specific”, “no mention of attacks on U.S. soil, but instead overseas”.
These defenses presume that we could not heighten awareness, take precautions with airliners because we did not have specific info about the day, time of day, and place of attack. The defense also presumes that it is okay to do nothing about imminent attacks against American interests unless they are planned for U.S. soil.
I’d say these defenses are pretty weak. Clinton was able to enhance surveillance during the Y2K period and disrupt terrorist plots — Are we to believe that Bush and Rice couldn’t do so? Or is it that they were asleep at the wheel? Their vigorous defenses of their inactions currently and in opposition to the investigation of the 9/11 commission makes me think they are hiding something.
And this revelation comes 5 years after the attack, 5 weeks before an election, from Woodward?
I detect an aroma of feces wafting through the air.
Yes well heckler,
You have messed yourself again. Go shower.
Good morning to you as well JR.
Now Rice remembers the meeting, but doesn’t recall specific warnings:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061003/pl_afp/usiraqattacksbookrice_061003081342;_ylt=AsLTuhnF6lJPi1et.MsnhSkb.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw–
Hmmm…
She remembers that they were very concerned, but admits she was not and considered these threats just business as usual.
Heckler,
You can skip the shower. I think the feces smell comes from the persistent stonewalling this administration has done about its inactions before 9/11. If you want to read about this defensiveness in exasperating detail, read _Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commision_ by Thomas H. Kean & Lee H. Hamilton (2006). I’ll loan you a copy if you want to read it.
October 2, 2006Records Show Tenet Briefed Rice on Al Qaeda ThreatBy PHILIP SHENON and MARK MAZZETTIJIDDA, Saudi Arabia, Oct. 2 — A review of White House records has determined that George J. Tenet, then the director of central intelligence, did brief Condoleezza Rice and other top officials on July 10, 2001, about the looming threat from Al Qaeda, a State Department spokesman said Monday.
The account by Sean McCormack came hours after Ms. Rice, the secretary of state, told reporters aboard her airplane that she did not recall the specific meeting on July 10, 2001, noting that she had met repeatedly with Mr. Tenet that summer about terrorist threats. Ms. Rice, the national security adviser at the time, said it was “incomprehensible” she ignored dire terrorist threats two months before the Sept. 11 attacks.
Mr. McCormack also said records show that the Sept. 11 commission was informed about the meeting, a fact that former intelligence officials and members of the commission confirmed on Monday.
When details of the meeting emerged last week in a new book by Bob Woodward of The Washington Post, Bush administration officials questioned Mr. Woodward’s reporting.
Now, after several days, both current and former Bush administration officials have confirmed parts of Mr. Woodward’s account.
Officials now agree that on July 10, 2001, Mr. Tenet and his counterterrorism deputy, J. Cofer Black, were so alarmed about an impending Al Qaeda attack that they demanded an emergency meeting at the White House with Ms. Rice and her National Security Council staff.
According to two former intelligence officials, Mr. Tenet told those assembled at the White House about the growing body of intelligence the Central Intelligence Agency had collected pointing to an impending Al Qaeda attack. But both current and former officials took issue with Mr. Woodward’s account that Mr. Tenet and his aides left the meeting in frustration, feeling as if Ms. Rice had ignored them.continued….
The 9/11 commission report card on the Bush Administration’s implementation of commission recommendations:
http://www.9-11pdp.org/press/2005-12-05_report.pdf#search=%229%2F11%20commission%20report%20card%22
If my boy brought home a report card like this, he could bet that his ass would be grounded off of Runescape in a hurry.
I’m sure Rush will have his talking points out by today’s program. Then the BushBots will know what to think about all this.
“According to two former intelligence officials”
You’re not a lawyer are you? You know what they say about hearsay in a court of law? Can’t reference your sources because they are made up?
Maybe Tenet will give advice on all the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Will that be as reliable as the hearsay on the supposed briefing to Rice at some point in time.
Go ahead conspiracy theorists, whoop it up, everyone likes a clown act.
When you start pointing the finger at the terrorists that actually did the deed and stop blaming everyone else, then maybe we’ll get somewhere. But it’s easier to point fingers at politicians and make up stories right?
JM – maybe if you BushBots hadn’t done so much “It’s all Clinton’s fault” for so long, including that fiction movie, this wouldn’t be quite so hot.
and so much fun!!!
“When you start pointing the finger at the terrorists that actually did the deed…”
What grade would you give to Bush, et al. for getting bin Laden “dead or alive”? We invaded Iraq instead of finishing the job in Afghanistan. Saying that this administration is concerned about terrorists who attacked us is unconvincing based upon the volume their actions speak vs. their words.
WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP
That’s the whole point there JM.They did point the finger at the terrorists, repeatedly, in person, in reports, in emails.They were ignored.That’s the point.Anything else we can gleefully point out while we whoop it up?
“And this revelation comes 5 years after the attack, 5 weeks before an election, from Woodward?
“I detect an aroma of feces wafting through the air.”
The smell comes from your own mouth repeating Republican lies, Heckler.
We liberals (actually I’m more of a radical, but liberal is close enough) have been screaming about this lie and cover-up ever since the 9-11 Commission and their majority Republican members deliberately didn’t look into it.
It’s really old news to people that educate themselves, and just goes to show how clueless and lazy and easily manipulated the corporate media have been on the war.
Rice did receive warning, no matter how faulty her memory is at the moment.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364×2288796
And since I know how much the freepers amongst us hate facts, a little link about how Ben-Veniste admits the 9/11 commission covered up the fact that Tenet DID brief Condi.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364×2293953
I could post links to the original sources, but I know how freepers hate DU and refuse to click those links.
All together now, fingers in the ears…
“lalalalalalalalalala”
Damn but the truth hurts, eh?
…and for those of you who dont know (welcome to the blogosphere)
“freeper” is shorthand for the koolaide drinkers who frequent the “free republic” (hard to type that with a straight face!) site on the internets. heheheh
Ya know, like prolli pauli?
He likes to post links from the freeper website.
He sure has been quiet for a few days. Must be selling bunches o’ oil and gas leases as the hyenas see their empire imploding.
Oh yea, and for paulie especially, here is the link to a post called “MY GOD I FEEL SORRY FOR THE FREEPTARDS”….
hee hee hee hee hee hee hee
Freeptard.
Doesnt that just define paulie, heckie, outie…et al?
Well, maybe not outie. Like I said yesterday, he is generally better than this.
I smell something too heckie. I think it is rotting flesh.
Can the electorial buzzards be far behind?
hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee
DEE DEE DEE
The smell is coming from their own top lip.That comes from kissin’ neocon ass.
Isn’t it interesting that we don’t have HANDFULS of Clinton’s cabinet coming in and saying ” he ignored’ or “he said don’t bother me with this stuff”…
The difference between a real patriot, and a POS.
Secretary Rice has stated their were no specific actionable threats in these reports, just vague threats about harming America and Americans.
The same people whining about the administrations failure to predict and stop 911 are the same people that would have opposed and still to this day oppose all efforts to detect and detain terrorists who wish Americans harm.
still to this day oppose all efforts to detect and detain terrorists who wish Americans harm.
jw, that’s a shitty lie and you know it. Damned unAmerican to be a lying rat like that.People opposed to you and your ilk stand for truth, justice,AND THE AMERICAN WAY.
JW, if I get a report saying something like, “Frank Smith is going is determined to break into your house” then what would my reaction be. Would it be:1) Ignore the warning and leave my house door unlocked2) Install security measures in the house to prevent a break in.
Bush and Co. went with number one, do nothing.
Can we impeach Rice and charge her with a crime to throw her ass in jail?
As far as reports being released to the public, all the reports in newspapers have been that terrorist’s threats were non-specific and assessments were generalizations. Not been privy to any of the original reports, I don’t know and I don’t think anyone else, including Bob Woodward knows.
Typical democratic leftist thinking, if they can’t prove something they try name calling or mud-slinging.
I didn’t disklike Clinton as a President, except during that Intern relationship thing. Never had anything against his administration either.
Sorry, but I can’t go writing in a blog things about of which I know nothing about. That is, top secret reports that only the President and his Cabinet reads.
Doesn’t seem to stop others though and that’s the sad issue.
Tony, you raise an interesting question. Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution of the United States would indicate that Dr. Rice, as a civil Officer of the United States, may be removed from office by impeachment and conviction. The constitutional power of impeachment is granted to the House of Representatives in Article I, section 2 of the Constitution; and the power to try cases under impeachment is reserved to the Senate under Article I, section 3 of the Constitution. I commend the last paragraph of said section to your reading in further answer to your query.
However, can she be tried and imprisoned upon conviction following removal, or does that count as double jeopardy?
Roo Haa: the cited section answers your question. Sorry, shouldn’t be coy; impeachment and conviction, with removal from office, does not bar subsequent trial, etc. Be careful here; there are many “high crimes and misdemeanors” (to be defined by the legislative branch) which are not crimes under the criminal statutes. As far as your “double jeopardy” question, no, it would not be double jeopardy, but do not forget the doctrine of immunity which might well bar prosecution in a civl court for actions which some would allege as criminal.
Who opposes port security background checks for workers, mostly democrats protecting the mafias cut of the port pie. Who opposes local and state law enforcement helping to enforce immigration law, mostly democrats. 911 could have been prevented if only local and state police had this authority, to this day most democrats oppose this policy. Liberals rant and rave like lunatics but have no solutions, only bitter monologues that have no real beginning or end.
Tracy, no actionable intelligence.
Doug The president never recieved a message that someone was going to break into his house. Doug you are better than this. Remember Doug, we are looking for solutions. One step at a time Doug, you can do it. Actionable intelligence Doug, think about it.
jw, I keep posting the dems plans, and links to them.Do a quick google for yourself.They have plans ideas and will soon be able to put them into legislation.You can ignore them all you want, but they are there.I’m not going to post the link again. I don’t care wether you read their plans or not.What’s your plan?STAY THE COURSE?
COME ON DUDE, IT’S YOUR TURN.POST THE GOP PLAN OR QUIT WHINING!
I’ll check back tommorrow.You’ll still be looking for any republican plan.THEY DON’T HAVE ONE.
JW, apparently you aren’t familiar with the concept of analogy.
While you’re at it, post some links to your other allegations.I don’t know ANY dems opposing background checks.Just the opposite, they advocate tightening security.IT’S IN THE PLANS.READ THEM.REPUGS HAVE NO PLANS.
Doug, leave the ogy of of analogy.perfect description
I’ll be back for all those links from good sources about the dems who are fighting against securing our country.Oh, and the links about the repug plan also.Take your time.I’m typing slowly this time so you’ll understand.
jw:”still to this day oppose all efforts to detect and detain terrorists who wish Americans harm.”
jw, that’s a shitty lie and you know it. Damned unAmerican to be a lying rat like that.People opposed to you and your ilk stand for truth, justice,AND THE AMERICAN WAY.
According to Richard Ben Veniste, the 9/11 Commission WAS briefed about Tenet’s July 2002 meeting with Rice, but chose not to include it in the 9/11 Comission Report. Apparently Rumsfeld and Ashcroft got the same briefing.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/10/3/04418/8102
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
If you Repukelickins are going to complain about the ‘political’ timing of the release of IM’s in the Foley case, I think it pales before what appears to be a ‘political’ omission in the official record of 9/11–an omission that appears designed to shield the Bush Administration from culpability.
Enough is enough. It is seriously time to start talking about impeaching this President for dereliction of duty, and to begin investigating the multiple layers of obstruction of justice carried out by the GOP and its minions.
Here is how Bob Woodward’s book is timed. The oil moguls lowered energy prices dramatically 8 weeks before election. They were counting on their economy-concerned voters suffering amnesia. “Oh, my energy budget has dropped, I don’t rememember my family’s stress-out most of 2006. I’m really stupid.”
Woodward’s timing allows the administration to issue rebutals, and then the opposition shows the rebuttals to be false. A RUBUTTAL is a counter-statement. A REFUTAL PROVES the argument to be false. The adminstration can mount a rebuttal, which Woodward can disprove in the next 5 weeks, so he wins the argument, just before elections.
Woodward wins because his facts and arguments are CORRECT, and he shrewdly TIMED THEM to discredit the administration and rubbberstamping pro-admistration House lackeys, in the upcoming midterm elections.
Oil prices? I’m glad someone mentioned that. Ol’ “Fill up your tank” Tiahrt received over $300,000 from oil companies. He paid them back by voting against an investigation into charges of price gouging.
Tiahrt, bought and paid for, so you can buy $3 a gallon gas.
Sure didn’t see anything about Condi getting an emergency meeting about terrorist wanting to attack us did your?
The Republican leadership suffers from Libby syndrome, selective amnesia, too busy guarding the country to remember anything specifically damning!
My second post above ommitted ..in the Path to 9/11 movie.
Tenet and Black met with Condi when Bush, Cheney were nowhere near the White House.
When talking national security and bombing another country, Condi was the person in charge to make that decesion immediately or in haste?
Did they follow up and leap over Condi to the Prez or V.P. office if it was that important to them? Called them on the phone regardless of where they were.
I can’t believe Tenet didn’t continue trying to access Bush. He’s at fault for not trying hard enough making the “decider” plan some sort of decesion.
Didn’t Condi testify under oath that she never was briefed about imminent attacks before 9/11?
Lying under oath is a crime? Isn’t that what Republicans always stomp on whenever the Bill Clinton sex thing doesn’t fly?
I never trusted Condi – I think she lies through that gap in her teeth each time she opens her mouth.
Now now people, don’t be critical of the shrub regime’s affirmative action flunkies, lest you be accused of waaaaycism! lmsaao
V.L.R.B!!
Just a question, but how many times, repeatedly, did Condi hear the same intelligence report?I think she heard the same intelligence report over and over.It’s not that nothing was being done, but that it wasn’t being done fast enough.
Just wait… the republicans will steal this election too. That’s what the Help America Vote Act was designed to assist in.
How much time does Condi need to respond to the same info? It has been proven she was told about imminent attack before 9/11. She keeps saying she wasn’t – but it is not apparently true that she lied.
POTTY MOUTH ALERT. I REPEAT, POTTY MOUTH ALERT.
RD, cover up your ears. CF is going to use that word you don’t like. He’s channelling the Rude Pundit for all you Kansans.
Is RD out of earshot? Good. I can begin.
Condoleeza is a lying-ass fucking cunt, and now everybody has no choice but to affirm it. She said she wasn’t briefed: she was. Her spin is that there was no new information. Fucking please. Evidently George Tenet and Cofer Black thought there was enough, and that it was urgent enough, that Rice needed to hear it. John Ashcroft thought the threat was serious enough that he stopped flying on domestic commerical flights in July of 2001. Here’s the documentation, courtesy of Mahablog:
http://www.mahablog.com/
Give her credit though: she’s got some Cheney-size balls when she fixes the camera with her weaselly gaze to demand ‘who are you gonna believe–me or your lyin’ eyes?’ She is absolutely fucking shameless, because she knows that nobody will call her on her bullshit. I LOVE that, when confronted with the evidence for having received the briefing after she said she hadn’t, Rice responded that it would be “incomprehensible” for her not to have acted once made aware of the threat. That’s fucking beautiful–she never actually DENIES anything, and the word she uses is SO open-ended that she can’t be pinned down. Way to go, Cundi.
These “people” (I use the word equivocally when referring to the inner circle of the Bush Administration) can sure use them some language when they try to. So clever, so mendacious, so shameless.
So I, for one, hope that Hank Price gets his wish for the GOP’s ticket in ‘08:
Dirty lying-ass cunt and shit-eating, cancerous-wife dumping pigfucker for President and Vice-President. Got a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?
CF,
Shut the hell up with that language. No one deserves the name calling, unless you want some of it back yourself.
Politics is one thing. Being vile and abusive reflects only on you badly.
Drunk? High?
Frustration, Mrage, frustration.
We’ve been taught all our lives that America is the land of the free and the home of the brave, and now we see it’s really the land of whoever can steal the election and home of the fat bastards who are willing to shed the last drop of SOMEONE ELSE’S BLOOD so they can rake in the money.
What’s worse–using the word f*cked or watching your country get f*cked?
He warned you. Don’t read it if you don’t like it.
I like it because it’s honest and it’s the truth.
Mrage,
Ever heard of the First Amendment? Guess not; you seem to be a Republican.
I’ll use any sort of language I please, thank you very much. It’s the editors’ call as to what language is appropriate here. If you don’t like it, snivel to them.
Your flaccid little threats aren’t terribly dissuasive, Mrage. I could truly give two shits what you think.
CF – while I agree with you sentiments I think your language might actually detract from your message. On the other hand, I agree with the Capn that I would rather see the word than see the action against my country. And the BushBots have been busy screwing my country for 6 years.
Ben Huie,
Fair enough. I was actually playing to TRACY as the audience for my profanity.
But I stand by every word. These people are fascists who are dismantling the Constitution, and they deserve to be denounced in the strongest possible terms.
Really, the takeaway point for me is that profanity bothers Mrage to no end, while the obscentiy of institutional lies, torture, and pointless wars appear to not at all.
Judging by their infinite capacity for enabling and collusion, Republicans are all ‘values’ and no morals.
At 4:27 AM I suspect Mrage was cranky and looking for something to complain about. She did not manage to address the thread and drug it off topic.
CF
You’re just now finding that out?
JR
Mrage is depressed. Needs Prozac.
Tracy, Gov. Sebelius is against using state and local law enforcement to enforce immigration violations. If local police had been required to enforce immigration violations 911 may well have been avoided as at least two of the hijackers were pulled over by police before 911 while they were in the country illegaly. I could list examples of democrats objections to enforcing immigration law all day but unfortunately I do not have the time.
By the way I am not a democrat so the moniker jackass just won’t do.
” I could list examples of democrats objections to enforcing immigration law all day but unfortunately I do not have the time.”
Oh, too bad. RD, isnt that “I gotta go” thing right out of the republican bloggers handbook?
hehehehh
I do understand though, why jw has refused to provide backup, facts, links, etc. to all his bloviating.
So much ass smoke, so little time…
ksfarmgrrl,
“Ass smoke.” That’s pretty funny, I tell you what…
I’m guessing jw has a narrow urethra.
CF,
There is a psychology why you feel to use profanity, here. Doesn’t matter if Condi is the topic or not
Do use your free speech talents with everyone in public. People you work with. Your family. Strangers when you pick up a conversation happenstance anywhere. Same descriptive words how you really feel. Why be decent anywhere. Your Constitiution is at serious risk of shredding!
I’m not Republican, I am impressed by more talented and knowledgable people in government, though they can make some boneheaded and dangerous mistakes. Condi would curse you out in fluid Russian, that’s her grasp of multiple languages, more talented than your ability to have a conversation. She qualified academically for her appointed jobs. You ever going to reach that authority level, even locally?
Bush and Cheney suck but they are smart too. Rumsfeld sending troops without armor, he’s not dumb at all.
You hammer the politicans too hard, your abusing the people who have to follow their orders. They do so proudly, for the most part.
JR-increasingly your spinning for whatever reasons, different guy than I. I want improvements to Wichita, you don’t. We may not agree on anything.
ED-Can’t solve your Israel problems so we don’t talk. That would be depressing.
Mrage,
If you’re going to accuse me of cowardice or hypocrisy, you’re going to have to find better grounds to do it. I use profanity the same way in pretty much every context. Ask my minister. I’m not one way online and another in person.
As for credentials, I’d say my Ph.D. in Philosophy from the University of Memphis stacks up just fine against Dr. Rice’s Ph.D. in International Studies from the University of Denver, thanks. She has more publications than I do (I have two published articles and one co-translation, she has one monograph, two co-authored books, and numerous articles), but she’s also fourteen years older.
I probably won’t have her meteoric rise to political and international prominence. After all, I’m just another pasty jewish guy doing academic philosophy, rather than that rarest of professional rareties, a black woman in the halls of male power. But I’m well known in the places I live, and have attained a certain degree of noteworthiness in certain professional and artistic contexts. All without getting blood on my hands, which is much, much more than Condoleeza Rice can say.
However, your larger point is sort of interesting: you seem to be asking who am I, CF, to criticize an august personage such as Condoleeza Rice? Well, Mrage, I’ll tell you: she’s lying and I’m calling her on it. I am an American. I don’t take shit from nobody, however powerful. With respect to the politicos, you say I ‘hammer them too hard.’ Considering that their legitimacy comes from acting in my name, I take their dishonesty, venality, and incompetence personally.
When politicians demonstrably lie and do so shamelessly, other politicians won’t call them on it. It’s up to the agitators in a responsible citizenry to do so.
Frankly, I’d like nothing more than to have a sit-down with Dr. Rice. I regard her public performances under oath as evasive, equivocating, and fundamentally dishonest. It would be my pleasure as a philosopher to confront her in person and beat her at her own game.
CF,
Then you know better how to behave. Why break down in language ability just to have a conversation.
There is an archive of your post on the net forever. How can it ever be possible for you to sit down and talk to Condi as person of academic authority.
Using only initials might get away with it, but you’ll be dishonest not being upfront what you said about her.
Post it your real name with the same message again, so its honest and out there. Be proud of your free speech if it can be linked right back to you.
That moment, you disqualified yourself from talking to her and that’s surprising.
She won’t be in the job forever and authority shouldn’t have been on her shoulders to make bombing decesions immediately. Bush is at fault completely. Rumsfeld is in charge of the mililary. If anyone, Tenet and Black should have talked to him.
I don’t know if you have political goals locally or nationally but disagreeing with politicians or any body on record, you can say the wrong things. Your academic record can be washed away as meaningless.
Hey CF – does my couple dozen or so published articles equal her total?
What are you, in love with Rice or something Mrage?
The NOT liberal Michael Savage has said that Ricearoni is not competent to head a small community college.
No JR…I respect women. Profane language about them harms my mother’s appreciation. Some people hate their mother. Hate women too!
Hate women in authority with a passion, crazily. Some guys are weird and violent toward women.
Two school shootings, girls killed, kind of guys. Wanted to use them only as sex objects.
CF–She’s that “rarest of persons” a BLACK CONSERVATIVE.
That’s why the party that hates affirmative action puts her front and center of every photo op.
She sold her “soul” to the conservatives.
That’s one thing I find creepy about her–the only black woman in America with no “soul.”
She couldn’t sing gospel at the end of a cattle prod . . .
My problem with Rice is the same I had with Powell – a failed foreign policy. I don’t care about race, gender, personality.
Mrage,
The public record shows that Condoleeza Rice has lied repeatedly. That’s the issue. This isn’t about me. I’m a private person with no policy responsibilities. I’ve never been sworn under oath before any sort of committee.
You aren’t the arbiter of much of anything, Mrage, your pretenses to the contrary.
Ben Huie,
It goes without saying that you are many times the academic personage that humble CF is. CF is not worthy, CF is not worthy.
Mrage,
One more thing: why don’t you post under YOUR name?
CF:Then I would assume you don’t like Alan Keyes either.
CF,
I do. The email is my name. Marksrage S. Allen, Google.
Actually too many nicknames Mrage’s all over the net.
I write letters to editors for years.
Your hiding, afraid to repost your words about Rice and let the net archive it forever.
All the education failed your sensiblities. Its not the fault of books.
Your words are all about you. Ask your minister what transpired. In detail read your words to him as a confession or whatever.
Rice doesn’t deserve your hatred of women. Fix thyself Doc!
No oath of Doctorate to Philosophers, do not harm? Protect and Serve. Save lives, something?
“too many nicknames Mrage’s all over the net.” Verbs, Mrage, consider using verbs.
“I write . . . for years.” have written.
“Your hiding” You’re.
“All the education failed you sensibilities.” Nonsensical.
“Its not the fault” It’s.
“Ask your minister what transpired.” Yeah, maybe his or her connection with the Almighty can help us–only God knows what you’re (your) saying here.
BTW, isn’t it a hoot to hear Hank Price excoriating CLINTON for lying under oath, but he has nought to say about Condilingus lying to the 9-11 commission.
“I forgot.”
The woman can learn Russian but she “forgot” about the meeting in which she was warned Al Qaeda were going to strike.
The question at this point is not “should we trust the Bush administration?”
The question is how can ANYONE trust anything coming out of the Bush administration?
How many times do you have to get lied to before you say, these people are liars?
Just because Condi Rice can speak fluent Russian does not make her a diplomat. This woman has not a clue as to what she is doing. She is taking her marching orders from George W. or is it Rush?
G, Capn
Too bad this is not letters to editors. Eagle usually fixes a sentence here and there.
I got my point across clearly. He is educated enough to understand.
Condi trying to do Bush policies…of course its failure. We didn’t know that in July, 2001.
Congress allowing Bush the authority without questions. Horrible politics everywhere. It is about costs and lives lost on both sides. Where is the end, some years after Bush is gone.
Mrage, I hate to tell you, but your points are not made clearly. You write as though you are on mind-numbing drugs. I find it difficult to believe that you graduated from even high school, much less college.
Mrage,
Hatred of women? What a laugh. That dog isn’t going to hunt.
As for writing pseudonymously, I don’t. I write under my initials: CF. Consider it my nom de guerre. But writing pseudonymously was good enough for Spinoza and Kierkegaard, it would be good enough for me.
Socrates saw his job as getting people to care about the state of their souls. By challenging the overt and covert lies of Condoleeza Rice and other members of the fascist cabal in charge of the country, I view myself as fulfilling Socrates’ admonition. Mrage, calling people names doesn’t harm them. Enabling their lies does. And it has the further consequence of staining one with complicity.
Enough. You’re demonstrably an idiot, and I’m done with you.