Seems like only yesterday that Sens. John McCain and Hillary Clinton were hoisting shots of vodka together. At the time, McCain described Clinton as “one of the guys.”
That was then. McCain took the gloves off Tuesday, accusing the Clinton administration of failing to counter the North Korean nuclear threat during its eight years in the White House, and of trading food and energy aid for what turned out to be empty promises from Pyongyang. Hillary wasn’t president then, but you get the idea.
McCain, of course, is the GOP’s front-runner for the 2008 presidential election. Hillary Clinton enjoys the same position among Democrats. While the two work together and have seemed willing to occasionally break with the party line, there’s a White House up for grabs.
It will be interesting to see how their professional friendship fares over the next couple of years.
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All is fair in love and war.
God, do they ever deserve each other.
Politics ain’t beanbag.
I would sure love to see a third party start laying the groundwork to field a legitimate candidate in 2008.
one third of congress should be chosen at random from the telephone book.
Representatives should stay home, and communicate by conference call.
Or text messaging. It’s much more effective at impressing the pages.
Third parties _used_ to start at the grassroots level and work their way up (Republicans, 1848). Today, everybody thinks the “right way” to launch a 3rd party is to start with the presidency. Yeah, sure, as if…
Best bet for a viable third party today is a schism in the Republican Party — between “fiscal” conservatives and “moral” conservatives. At that point, you end up with an explicitly, _solely_ religious political party. That could be either good or bad, actually. It would definitely be polarizing.
Prediction–Hillary won’t be the Democratic nominee in 2008.
The only people who like her are the head up the butt media people who really need to get out more and talk to actual democrats.
We democrats want a democrat in 2008, not one of these trans-party hybrids.
I also have my doubts about McCain.
How many times has he run and failed to get the nomination?
Ant supposed rift between hillary and mcclown will be just for show. It don’t matter because neither will be elected president. American “politics” and the dem/rep, lib/con “divide” is a fraud and simply kabuki theater for the sheeple.
Does anyone else wonder why slick willie has been spending so much quality time with mamma and papa bush as of late?
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!
Capn – I’ve been saying all alond that neither Hillary nor McCain will be candidates.
I still remember all the rightie talking heads telling us she was running in 2004.
Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession.I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first…..Ronald Reagan
Gore in 2008. McCain will be slinging shit from here on out. HE’s sucked off that fat evangelist….can’t remember his name. And, he sucked Bob Jones U. ass.McCain the hero is rapidly becoming McCain the zero.
It won’t be Gore …
McCain ran once in 2000.Ronald Reagan ran in 1968 and 1976 and failed to win nomination, so I don’t see that as a hinderance.McCain’s biggest hurdle will be winning the religious right or rallying the religious right to the polls should he win nomination. I don’t think anyone would argue that the high turnout among Christians is what swung the last two elections to W Bush.
Interestingly, HW Bush following Reagan was the first time in 60 years that an outgoing and incoming President were of the same party.Could be that it will be in the only time in 80 years come 2008.
If people start seeing what a two-faced PAC whore McCain really is, even Republicans will be turned off.
McCain is an idiot. He will say anything to make the MSM love him. He will not be nominated. Hear me now, believe me later. True conservatives won’t stand for it.
I think it could be Gore in ‘08, Ben.
He won last time, remember?
I’ll stick with my predictions capn …
I hope you’re right, hotlick.Too bad Allen screwed himself. I could have supported him.Why is it every time conservative Republicans produce a leader I can respect, they shoot their mouths off?
Couple of weeks ago, I considered McCain and Barack Obama partnership to bust things up politically.
It’s becoming so what, common practice to blame Billy. Why stop at him for international problems gone wrong. Reagan ruined Iraq by sending Rumsfeld to shake Saddam’s hand. To this day many decades later, Iraq is a mess. They have “stayed the course” since Reagan.
For oil and to control a seat on OPEC. Stealing it from Saddam, Cheney thought would be easy.
2008 election isn’t this year, so what McCain says now to keep himself kissing conservatives up, meaningless.
He’ll look really old in 2008, obvious no way he’ll be the Rebublican candidate. Republicans are in trouble that way, who might it be? Not Guilani! Jeb? Who says he doesn’t want it badly!
McCain/Obama I still consider, something has to bust this political madness apart. Neither party is good for the country. It takes strong individuals to disagree on bad policies and not vote always along party lines.
Mrage,You’ve obviously never had to deal with McCain. I have.Anyone remember the Keating Five?That was just the tip of the iceberg.To paraphrase Disraeli, if McCain is nominated, it would be a tragedy; if elected, it would be a calamity…especially for Wichita.For starters, you can kiss Boeing and Spirit goodbye. Ditto 400 more jobs in local television.Forget competition in cable. McCain is one of the biggest recipients of cable money.And, in the immortal words of Ron Popeil, wait, there’s more!
Re: Reagan’s fault. He waged a proxy war against Iran after selling Iran illicit arms. No wonder Iran doesn’t trust us!
Iran doesn’t trust us?? Who cares!That’s the mind-set of you people. As another ding dong said in another time “If only I could have talked to Hitler, all would have been fine”
“you people” who have studied history. Yea, our mindset is to realize that overthrowing a democracy and installing a dictator is likely to come back and haunt us. Supporting an invasion using WMDs is likely to come back and haunt us. Shooting down a civilian airliner is likely to come back and haunt us.
As for “If only I could have talked to Hitler, all would have been fine” I would rather have given him a briefcase. Full of plastique.
On the other hand, perhaps had we supported the Republic we could have prevented Hitler’s rise to power.
I guess the mindset of hotlick’s “you people” is that if we attack a country enough we will terrorize them into submission. Sorry hotlick, “you people” have that wrong.
Mr.C, I had to look up the Keating Five, it did refresh my memory. He took Keating’s money and rode on Keating jets. Did Keating’s bidding to slow down the savings and loan controversy. Home state stuff.
Boeing is going to hang on here? Who knows right now.
Spirit is owned by a group that won’t sell it soon, they probably will. The facilities are allowing those companies to stay in Wichita, plane stuff can be built here. Transporting parts is okay too. Centrally located.
I’ve never paid for cable since its started. Isn’t tech expanding variety of ways to see TV and movies. Cable costs go up because of McCain, I guess folks could drop cable easily. Cable has to fund his Presidential push.
Will candidates for President visit Wichita ever? They don’t! This state vote is quareented to be Republican.
He’s the best cross over guy to do it with Obama. Obama isn’t suffering in the Senate for years. Less time for politicans in the Senate is better. Harry Reid sucks as Dem leader.
Why not! Doesn’t every long time politican have baggage. Get a recent guy with the old soldier.
Only because of war until 2010 in Iraq and erase torture rules Bush wants, McCain has to fix some real problems. He’s still Republican just enough.
Obama has to stay from some Dems in Congress with baggage, less aligned that way, always being told voting party line. That’s a terrible political training environment today.
barack obooma??? lmrfsaao
Mrage, are you using some powerful narcotics?
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!
Can you even say his name Ian?
Surely according to your views, affirmative action getting into Columbia. Qouta at Harvard Law school.
Nigerian father and Kansas born mother.
If you hate him, he’s great!
I do have faith in some politicans, parts of government can be saved.
Combining parties is better than continued seperation that’s occuring. They have to try.
Mrage,If you like McCain, it’s because you have no experience with him.If you think our last few presidents have been a disappointment, McCain would be far worse.
Do tell, Mr.C…what did Johnny do or say to you?
Plenty of people never have experience with politicans but get their vote.
I don’t trust McCain’s personality, he’s a long time player in the political game. Dirty deeds, he didn’t do cheap!
I am not sure Al Gore will run. If he does he has my vote.
Gore in 08. He seems so much more electable now that W has proven to be incompetent. There is no f’ing way the GOP can find anyone to beat Gore.McCain is no longer a maverick…the chipmunk cheeked SOB is sucking Falwell’s ass. There is nothing good coming out of the religious right. There is nothing good about touting the GOP as higher moral authority when by their own standards they have all failed miserably. Bush is just a mediocre man drunk with power. He has us in Iraq till 2010 now. He didn’t realize there were 3 major cultural sects in Iraq until 30 days before the war…..and he still went to war.Prediction – Iraq will have nukes by 2013.Rumsfeld and Cheney fucked up Gerald Ford’s presidency….and Bush hired them. Go figure.Let’s make this clear – no man or woman who “finds” themself at age 45 should ever be supported to run for president. There has to be some qualification like ‘has steadily pursued the field of law…” at minimum.Hell – I just want Bush to answer the question about his snorting cocaine as a young man. SOB never gave a straight response to that.I hope that smirky cocksucker has a miserable retirement. There is no conceivable way that future presidents will call on that asshole to spread diplomacy.Man, I am so sick of the GOP. By the way, I shook hands with Tiahrt today….life throws some weird moments at all of us.
At first they had so much in common. Bush politically attacked both their families. Then apparently things drifted apart when McCain tried to convince her that torture in funny and that the Bill of Rights (except for number three) is outdated and should be done away with.
Hillary used to be friends with Lieberman too. I guess it doesn’t take long before a Republican gets on someone’s nerves.
Oh yes Doug, that hillary is so dmeaned concerned with the constitution! lmosrfao
V.L.R.B!!
I agree that a third party would best be formed with a schism in the Republican Party. But I believe that there are alot of Democrats who are fed up with the Democrat party, as well, so the fiscal Republicans would find some commonality with moderate Democrats in that issue. So let the Christian Conservative Republicans break off from the GOP and see exactly how strong their group is.
But you don’t see the Religious Right breaking off from the GOP do you? I think it is because they know not many would follow them and not as many as it would take to win the election on their own. So the break will have to come from the fiscal Republicans.
I, for one, am an independent and I just don’t really agree with either party right now. But the GOP leadership is not helping their cause by covering up for the Foley scandal. And they are covering up because their stories are changing all the time.
John McCain has proved himself to be a flip-flopper – one day he is against Bush and the next day he is right back at his usual position of kissing George’s feet.
Barack Obama will never run with John McCain – Obama has too much class for that.