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- By Phillip Brownlee
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As Jwink, JR, others continually don’t want the arena, I don’t want to support Wild West World. Anybody who talks about moving Cowtown out there, take a hike. Nothing we need is supposed to move out near Park City, for any reason.
Park City could buy the Ice Rink from the City and move it out there, if Dee wants something more to do as entertainment. City would gladly part with it.
We’re going to get a casino in Wichita if Phil Ruffin will focus on that instead of wanting slot machines in his dog tracks.
Somebody get the County to let us vote on it. What in Topeka this next legislation is there to do? Gun nuts, got their guns. Schools got the money, court ordered finally.
Disperse some casino licenses should be on the table and Sedgwick County gets one. The state shouldn’t be partner in a casino, just tax the business enough. Who wins the casino license, depends who has the cash at the ready. Phil Ruffin will. Dee Stuart and Bob Knight won’t. It’s not Topeka’s decesion to allow a tribal casino, that’s federal. I would like local ownership if we get a casino.
We need a casino, don’t need slot machines in a dog track. Do we need dogs at all? Ruffin needs just sell that to Dee, let her fight for slot machines. Topeka loves her to visit and spite the County she lives in some more!
Seems things owned downtown like the Hyatt and library wants a new building elsewhere, Century II has to be updated inside, all of that could be owned by a casino group? Century II can’t be torn down but it should have a different interior. Downtown arena will do conventions, Century II did.
People fight the idea and evil of gambling, but one casino will help downtown’s efforts, next to WaterWalk and possible growth of those kind of improvements in the future east of Main. More development in the direction heading toward the arena seems proper.
We’re not done in Topeka, trying to get our way. Forces near Topeka want to block Wichita from improving. Our own local legislators are corrupted to work against this commmunity, its amazing. Can’t allow the Park City Crier take what we need out there.
Mrage – you say you want the casino to be privately owned but the states constitution does not allow for that. That is the biggest reason casinos have been blocked.
Also why should Sedgwick County spend the money on a vote until the legislature changes the constitution? Look at the counties that had a vote and see what it got them? They got nothing for spending their taxpayer’s money.
So if you really want a casino then you need to encourage the legislature to change the constitution and allow casinos to be anywhere with a vote of the people.
Is that the problem in Topeka, the state Constitution?
I thought it was fight about political morals. Ruffin wants slot machines in his dog tracks first because he doesn’t believe the state should be partnered in the casino license and if its ever going to happen.
I think whoever is trying to limit the Casino licenses to 5 new ones is the right thing to do. Someone polled enough Kansans and Sedgwick County is a place to put a casino they said. Most visited city in this state.
I want locally owned or guided at least, Ruffin is already established with casinos in other states. Some out of state tribal group seems fishy and its not a Topeka decesion anyway. Feds have to allow that tribe group to do it here in Kansas. That decesion doesn’t happen quick at all.
We don’t need just slot machines, lets try to get one full casino. More card games than machines.
The County putting choice on a ballot when we normally vote costs more? We don’t need a special election at all. It was wrong for local legislators in Topeka trying to redline Wichita out the casino process. They came down to the County complaining we voters shouldn’t get the chance, it would ruin some deal they were cooking.
I don’t know who goes first? Ruffin wants a casino license, he needs the backing of our County government, they need to know its will of the people here by a vote.The state should listen to Ruffin and not partner in casino’s the way its done in Nevada.
Topeka would understand this community wants a casino. Other cities already voting, are those the best places to put a casino, legitimately?
Not every community should get a casino just because they want one. It has to be economically viable, 5 around the state seems reasonable to me.
Only one casino in the county. If we had that, do we need slot machines at the dog track? I hate the idea we could only get slot machines here.
Somebody in Topeka didn’t like the huge number of slot machines trying to be passed. Ruffin was fighting for that, while our local legistators we’re making a deal to redline Wichita out of a casino.
It had to be insane negiotiations becuase it made no sense. The confusion had to be on purpose and that’s why I thought it political morals being played in Topeka. Waste of time for every community and the legislators involved.
Mrage: I’m in a hurry here but you made some really bad points so I must respond quickly.
First of all, I called for an arena before this all started. I talked to several people about recruiting a private sports developer, somewhat on the order of the Rich family, to build an arena somewhere near the Arkansas River — the River Walk site would have been perfect. Then the “big boys” and hired guns got ahold of the idea but since they didn’t have any big money to invest, they decided to bilk Sedgwick County taxpayers for it.
Because its a tax financed project, money is no object. “Easy come, easy go.” So what should have been a $60 million project ballooned into a $250,000,000 (1/4 billion dollar) project at the taxpayers expense.
And probably 90% of the taxpayers now don’t want this gigantic white elephant.
Just look at the list of downtown companies that are or have already moved out to avoid the arena construction and no-parking fiasco.
Regarding Wild West World in Park City, it is being paid for by private investors — so you don’t have to invest your hard earned money in it other than buy tickets to attend when its finished.
And perhaps you could attend church occasionally in their new church.
Process how the arena idea first started back in the day with false numbers, that cost to build a structure for $60 Million, its not something we needed for our long term community use. How many seats was it? I’m sure somewhere exists a building that was made for that cost and it serves some community. But that’s not us.
Today and for our future, we need a more costly arena, that has more stuff in it, more design on the outside and we haven’t had a parking fiasco because parking lot space isn’t completely determined yet. Buildings do have to come down in that location. Street altered, I haven’t seen the master parking plan. Are costs for that more, than the County imagined, yes, but that’s allowed in the process for now.
I’m glad whoever in the past didn’t have the money to build the arena we needed, even if it was by the river and privately financed. Today, maybe a decade later, that $60 Million place would need updating for sure. Private investors would be looking at the county or city for support by now.
WaterWalk has changed over the years from its original plan for the river walk started by the city.
I know the city wanted an arena, didn’t have the money until the Coliseum was beginning to fall apart. The County spending their own money wasn’t right without negiotating with the City.
We need the arena to be downtown is the proper choice.
I’m not against church anywhere, but they need to get rid of the KFC bucket being passed around for church donations. I hope that was a one Sunday thing until proper collection baskets could be found.
Lets just get stuff built and see if we support those constructions. Wild West World and our downtown arena being useful enough, attracting tourists and events.
Wichita can’t allow Dee to steal what we need just becuase she’s loudly complaining. Her casino choice with Bob Knight’s plan has huge problems on top beyond Kansas getting new casino’s license offered in Topeka.
I’m sure the County, if it made the choice on location, and Ruffin buys the Hyatt, Library, Century II, the city would love that. Dee’s location for Park City doesn’t compare to Wichita downtown, that’s what the County would choose. It would help their arena downtown, with more people walking around.
Investors are better than fully financed tax built facilties. Until the county has events lined up, its not for investors to put money into the arena now. It could corporate branded and that’s millions of dollars.
Its not going to be “profitable” place, just useful enough. We’re all sharing cost to build, what could be a very nice arena, long term potential in today’s design techiques. Ten years ago arena design was less.
Mrage – There is a cost to put the Casino question on the ballot. It does not cost as much as special election though. Ruffin does not want a full blown casino. Slots are much cheaper to run and much more profitable than the other gambling games.
Yes the constitution is the problem because it says the state must own the casino. That needs to be changed. There are no other states that own casinos.
There are some legislators that oppose casinos based on moral grounds but for the most part the legislators I have talked to are concerned about the state owning casinos as well as what it will cost the state because of costs to welfare etc.
I don’t know why you want to limit the casinos. If the constitution gets changed then let the casinos compete for business. The best will survive and the others will go away. If casinos are such a good business for the state then competition should not propose a problem. It appears that you want to see just 5 people profit from the casinos. It should be up to the counties about having a casino not Topeka. Then you are showing political favors. An example of that is Ruffin has contributed thousands of dollars to Sebelius via different groups because she is willing to grant him his request for slots without the casino. She has never been out front on a full casino in Sedgwick County because that would hurt Ruffin. If there is going to be gambling then it should be a full blown casino all the way not just slots.
So if you want casinos work with the legislators to change the constitution and let’s allow the counties to decide if they want one not Topeka.
http://www.democrats.org/page/petition/pathto911/
Keep “Path to 9/11″ Propaganda Film Off The Air
The ABC television network — a cog in the Walt Disney empire — unleashed a promotional blitz in the last week for a new “docudrama” called “The Path to 9/11″. ABC bills the two-night production as a public service that is “based on the 9/11 Commission Report”. That is false – it is actually a bald-faced attempt to slander Democrats.
“The Path to 9/11″ is a conservative attempt to rewrite the history of September 11th to blame Democrats. The Walt Disney Corporation could have given Americans an honest look at September 11. Instead, the company abandoned its duty to the truth — and embraced the fiction known as “The Path to 9/11.”
Tell Walt Disney president Robert Iger that you hold his company responsible — and that this community demands that ABC tell the truth.
FOLLOW THE LINK TO SEND YOUR OPINION TO DISNEY, TRACY
Hi,
The ABC television network — a cog in the Walt Disney empire — unleashed a promotional blitz in the last week for a new “docudrama” called “The Path to 9/11″. ABC has thrown its corporate might behind the two-night production, and bills it as a public service: a TV event, to quote the ABC tagline, “based on the 9/11 Commission Report”.That’s false. “The Path to 9/11″ is actually a bald-faced attempt to slander Democrats and revise history right before Americans vote in a major election.The miniseries, which was put together by right-wing conservative writers, relies on the old GOP playbook of using terrorism to scare Americans. “The Path to 9/11″ mocks the truth and dishonors the memory of 9/11 victims to serve a cheap, callous political agenda. It irresponsibly misrepresents the facts and completely distorts the truth.
Join me in telling Walt Disney CEO Robert Iger to keep this propaganda off the air.
http://www.democrats.org/page/petition/pathto911/ftlbqo
Thanks!
“As Jwink, JR, others continually don’t want the arena, I don’t want to support Wild West World.”
The difference mrage, is that you are not being taxed to support WWW. I AM being taxed for your Arena.
LOL @ Tracy!
I don’t think so! They want to re-edit to take all the blame off of Democrats and Clinton so it makes them look good. Democrats are the ones trying to re-write history.
On the screening of the series. It critizes both sides, Clinton, the incomptence of Albright and Berguer, but it also critizes the Republicans for the Lewinsky scandle (a serious deversion of the real danger) and Bush. It is directly off the 9/11 Report.
I’ll be watching it.
September 7, 2006Three From Clinton Administration Urge Disney to Cancel or Revise 9/11 Mini-Series
By JESSE McKINLEYThree members of the Clinton administration have written the chief executive of the Walt Disney Company, ABC’s parent, to complain that the network’s coming two-part miniseries “The Path to 9/11″ is fraught with factual errors and fabrications.
The letters ask that the five-hour movie, scheduled for broadcast Sunday and Monday, be either edited for accuracy or canceled, and ABC gave a small indication yesterday that some changes might be made.
One of the officials, former Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright, said in her letter to the Disney executive, Robert A. Iger, that although she had requested a copy of the film, ABC had not given her one. But, Ms. Albright said, she has been told by people who have seen it that it “depicts scenes that never happened, events that never took place, decisions that were never made and conversations that never occurred.”
“It asserts as fact things that are not fact,” she wrote.
The concerns of Ms. Albright, as well as those expressed in letters from Samuel R. Berger, former national security adviser, and Bruce R. Lindsey, a Clinton White House aide now with the Clinton Foundation, were echoed yesterday by several Democratic members of Congress.
ABC, meanwhile, continued to explain that the mini-series, though largely drawn from the report of the Sept. 11 commission, was a dramatization, not a documentary.
But the network appeared to be leaving the door open to last-minute changes in the film.
“It is common practice to continue to make edits to strengthen a project right up to the broadcast date,” said Hope Hartman, an ABC spokeswoman.
The series, which cost almost $40 million, is to be broadcast without commercials, but Ms. Hartman said this had been planned, as a public service, and had nothing to do with any pressure that might have been brought on prospective advertisers.
Ms. Hartman said she could not confirm that Ms. Albright, Mr. Berger or the Clinton Foundation had requested any advance copies of the movie. She said such copies had been provided to “accredited media and educational institutions,” including talk shows.
In their letters, dated Tuesday, both Mr. Berger and Ms. Albright object to scenes in which they are shown adding obstacles to efforts to capture or kill Osama bin Laden. In particular, Ms. Albright said a scene in which she refuses to support a cruise missile strike against Mr. bin Laden without first alerting the Pakistani government was untrue. Ms. Albright (played by Shirley Douglas) also said the suggestion that she had alerted the Pakistani military to an imminent strike was “false and defamatory.”
“Sept. 11 is not ‘entertainment,’ it is reality,” Ms. Albright wrote Mr. Iger. “Before you air your broadcast, I trust you will ensure you have the facts right.”
Mr. Berger (played by Kevin Dunn) said a scene in which he is shown refusing to authorize a strike to kill Mr. bin Laden in Afghanistan “flagrantly misrepresents my personal actions” and will serve “only to grossly misinform the American people.”
Mr. Berger’s character is also seen abruptly hanging up during a conversation with a C.I.A. officer at a critical moment of a military operation. In an interview yesterday with KRLA-AM in Los Angeles, Cyrus Nowrasteh, the mini-series’ screenwriter and one of its producers, said that moment had been improvised.
“Sandy Berger did not slam down the phone,” Mr. Nowrasteh said. “That is not in the report. That was not scripted. But you know when you’re making a movie, a lot of things happen on set that are unscripted. Accidents occur, spontaneous reactions of actors performing a role take place. It’s the job of the filmmaker to say, ‘You know, maybe we can use that.’ ”
The producers and writers of the movie have said the script was based not only on the commission report but also on two books — “The Cell,” by the former ABC newsman John Miller and Michael Stone, and “The Relentless Pursuit,” by Samuel M. Katz — as well as personal interviews. They also say the script was vetted by lawyers, terrorism experts and former Gov. Thomas H. Kean of New Jersey, the commission’s chairman, who is credited as a senior consultant to the mini-series.
Mr. Kean, whose report criticized both the Bush and Clinton administrations, said Tuesday that the miniseries, like the report, was balanced. “People in both administrations are not going to be happy if it’s portrayed accurately,” he said.
Political pressure against a television drama is not unprecedented. In 2003, CBS dropped a four-hour miniseries about Ronald and Nancy Reagan after a concerted campaign by Republican and conservative groups. That series, “The Reagans,” was later televised on the cable channel Showtime.
Marc Platt, the executive producer of “The Path to 9/11,” said he had known that turning a 600-page report into a five-hour drama would ruffle some feathers. “The challenge in any adaptation,” he said, “is how do you render it as dramatic as you can without exceeding the boundaries of what’s fair and accurate.”
JWink! I would really like to know who you know that would build an arena. It didn’t sound like they were too interested, probably because they weren’t in the business of building stadiums.
I agree with Mrage on most points, but I wouldn’t worry about Pit Stop city and Dee Stuart. Lot of people in Park City are dissappointed with her and she will be out.
I was excited about the Wild West World, but with Esthridge being deeply connected to Terry Fox and Fox setting up shop there, and with Terry Fox having big connections, I kind of question the whole project. But I’m sure it’s ok and nothing to worry about. But if this clique gets too powerful, then you won’t be able to do anything in this town unless it goes through them. If they start controlling the legisature delegation in this area and etc.
It’s like that in many towns. Wichita needs to be independent of all of that and freedom to conduct and build businesses needs to be our enviroment. Not the clique enviroment. Government projects like the arena does that, even if you don’t think they do.
Although the Etheridge are funding their project privatly, you bet they are only usuing “Christian” base business to build and supply the theme park.
I used to work for the City of Wichita and I worked on contract bids for service work and supplies. Trust me! The selection process does not include “the good ol’ boy” club as a requirement. It doesn’t exist in Wichita. Fahnestock may be a big supporter of the arena, but that doesn’t mean he gets the heating and cooling contract for the new arena. I wouldn’t be surprised that he doesn’t get it.
There are three reasons why some people don’t want the downtown arena.
1. Taxes – That is understandable.
2. The perception that the Good ol’ Boy network is going to profit from this and sticking it to the taxpayers. Not true.
3. Negatisim ingulfs their lives so much that they think negative and complaing about everything and they always downgrade and talk bad about Wichita. Just your usual trashy people.
A DRUNKEN SLUT GOES TO JAIL!!
Celebrity Paris Hilton was arrested in Hollywood early on Thursday on suspicion of drunk driving, Los Angeles police said.
Police pulled the hotel heiress over and tested her for intoxication after seeing her drive erratically, Los Angeles police officer Robert Andreno told Reuters.
“She was arrested so, yes, she failed the sobriety test,” Andreno said.
Los Angeles police spokeswoman Marjan Mobasser said Hilton was stopped by traffic officers in the Hollywood area at about 1:20 a.m.
The 25-year-old heiress to the Hilton hotel and real estate dynasty has achieved celebrity through saturation media coverage of her hard-partying lifestyle and a growing number of television appearances.
She is best known for her hit reality show “The Simple Life” and for a sex video that showed up on the Internet.
Earlier this year a judge ordered Hilton to stay away from a Los Angeles party planner who accused her of bombarding him with angry phone calls, shoving him and threatening his life
Apparently she must have NOT went on a anti-jew rant, so she’s got that goin’ for her!
Olberman:It is to our deep national shame—and ultimately it will be to the President’s deep personal regret—that he has followed his Secretary of Defense down the path of trying to tie those loyal Americans who disagree with his policies—or even question their effectiveness or execution—to the Nazis of the past, and the al Qaeda of the present.Today, in the same subtle terms in which Mr. Bush and his colleagues muddied the clear line separating Iraq and 9/11 — without ever actually saying so—the President quoted a purported Osama Bin Laden letter that spoke of launching, “a media campaign to create a wedge between the American people and their government.”Make no mistake here—the intent of that is to get us to confuse the psychotic scheming of an international terrorist, with that familiar bogeyman of the right, the “media.”The President and the Vice President and others have often attacked freedom of speech, and freedom of dissent, and freedom of the press.Now, Mr. Bush has signaled that his unparalleled and unprincipled attack on reporting has a new and venomous side angle:The attempt to link, by the simple expediency of one word—‚”media”—the honest, patriotic, and indeed vital questions and questioning from American reporters, with the evil of Al-Qaeda propaganda.
That linkage is more than just indefensible. It is un-American.
Mr. Bush and his colleagues have led us before to such waters.
We will not drink again.
And the President’s re-writing and sanitizing of history, so it fits the expediencies of domestic politics, is just as false, and just as scurrilous.
“In the 1920’s a failed Austrian painter published a book in which he explained his intention to build an Aryan super-state in Germany and take revenge on Europe and eradicate the Jews,” President Bush said today, “the world ignored Hitler’s words, and paid a terrible price.”
Whatever the true nature of al Qaeda and other international terrorist threats, to ceaselessly compare them to the Nazi State of Germany serves only to embolden them.
More over, Mr. Bush, you are accomplishing in part what Osama Bin Laden and others seek—a fearful American populace, easily manipulated, and willing to throw away any measure of restraint, any loyalty to our own ideals and freedoms, for the comforting illusion of safety.
It thus becomes necessary to remind the President that his administration’s recent Nazi “kick” is an awful and cynical thing.
And it becomes necessary to reach back into our history, for yet another quote, from yet another time and to ask it of Mr. Bush:
“Have you no sense of decency, sir?”
Let’s see . . .
Michael Moore’s “Fahrenheit 9/11″ fantasy/hatchet piece gets kudos from the left, and he’s invited to the Dem National Convention.
ABC’s “docu-drama” draws protest and whining.
Typical. Free speech for me, but not for thee. Explain that with a straight face, Tracy.
I’m not explaining anything.Those are cut and paste.The authors are listed.I pasted, you read.No explanation needed.
Let’s see… Documentary…Docu-Drama.
GMC, are the two synononymous? They share 4 letters, I see, but do they share the same definition? Do you know that if you put ‘drama’ after ‘docu’ it changes the entire meaning of the root documentary?
Except for whining and complaining, the conservatives have never proven that anything in F-9/11 is untrue. Personally, I think the docuMENTARY stopped well short of the truth and didn’t go far enough.
Anyone else notice that we’re “marking” the 5th anniversary of 9/11 with a heck of a lot of stuff? Let’s see, 2 movies about the plane over PA, at least 1 about the WTC, an ABC docu-drama and another, I heard, on CBS. And right before some pretty important elections.
Guess none of these networks will be getting my attention. I’m not interesting in someone’s “docu-drama version” of the lead up to 9/11, expecially an obviously slanted one that adds phone slamming and other techniques to ‘heighten the drama.’
Talk about soap opera junkies…
Thank you for bringing that to us Tracy, particularly the Olberman piece.
Arena? Go ahead build it. My kid is 12. By the time the thing is done, he and I can use the big empty parking lot to help him learn to drive. Oh wait that’s right! There IS no big parking lot!
If ABC is going to air this “docudrama” I say equal time is owed to theories that the bush administration was directly complicit in the events of 911. I am coming to believe that. Since bush was the only one to gain anything from 911 and bush has failed to capture Osama bin Laden.
ABC? Equal time!
Bush dichotomies -1. “Congress allow me my military tribunals” OR “Side with the terrorists”
2. “Congress allow me my military tribunals” OR “Prolong the suffering of the 9/11 victims’ families”
Don’t you love these “Shit” OR “Go Blind” alternatives Bush presents. Of course he never did anything to prolong the suffering of the 9/11 families. He quickly cooperated with all requests from the 9/11 commission – not!
Despite the cries from the right about a “liberal media” I see a media that is growing more and more decidedly conservative.
ABC? If you show your docudrama this “Lost” viewer is going to be so.
CBS? I left you when you shamefully pandered to the right and ditched Dan Rather.Now you are airing the views of known liar and criminal RUSH LIMBAUGH?? Goodbye forever CBS!
From the Washington Post:____________________________________________________________________
Clinton allies have complained that advance copies were sent to a number of conservative commentators, including Rush Limbaugh, but not to liberals. Limbaugh, saying that the screenwriter, Cyrus Nowrasteh, is a friend of his, told his radio audience that the film “indicts the Clinton administration, Madeleine Albright, Sandy Berger. It is just devastating to the Clinton administration. It talks about how we had chances to capture bin Laden in specific detail.”____________________________________________________________________
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/06/AR2006090601819_2.html
I wasn’t going to bother with sending an email, but the above has changed my mind.
Jr
You are an absolute idiot.
The Annenburgh School of Journalism, no conservative institute, rates Limbaugh as having a higher rate of accuracy than ANY network news organization.
You may not like his opinions but he is highly accurate in what he presents as fact on his show.
And ANYONE who believes that Bush was complicit in 9/11 needs to be institutionalized. The 9/11 documentary is based on FACT not the hysterical rantings of a bunch of raving left-wing college professors.
A friend of Rush Limbaugh’s re-writes history so that Democrats are painted as being responsible for 9/11. We are surprised by this?
No, but I am surprised that ABC – a card carrying member of the LIBERAL MSM is playing along. No, wait, I guess I am not surprised by that either.
Heckler defending Limbaugh. Now there is a huge surprise.
No, wait, I guess that isn’t a big newsflash either.
I’ll have to do some research and see if his assertions hold up to the light of day. Any predictions on that one?
Steven Davis
If your gonna call someone a liar you should back it up. jr just spews and offers nothing to back it up.
When doing your research keep in mind that I may have mis-spelled Annenburgh. Don’t need any spelling Nazis spouting off either.
whatsamatter Heckler? I hit a nerve? Rush Limbaugh is a criminal hypocrite and a monumental liar. There are entire books and websites devoted to it. Ha I get called an idiot by an ass spelunking mid management desk miner! Why would you oppose equal time for the THEORY that bush was complicit in 911 Heckler? Oh and Heckler? bush approval on 9 10 2001 was 50 %Just you and the other nuts that elected him. bush approval on 9 14 2001 70+% Disagree with me that bush gained from 911? You can’t. It is a statistical fact. Just like the CIA prisons he said we did not have but yesterday admitted to. Are you afraid of what a deeper investigation of 911 might reveal Heckler? Is bush? Is that why he opposed the original 911 commission?
Hey Heckler?I just KNEW you were a “dittohead”
For our readers, a dittohead is a mindless person directed in their politics and thinking by the bloviator Rush Limbaugh.
Oh Heckler?
When the dems sweep out Congress this fall, I got two words for ya.
FAIRNESS DOCTRINE
That means that for every minute Rush is allowed to froth and rant and lie, he will have to allow equal time for opposing views. And that my little toady, is the end of his career. He can’t survive the light of truth.
JR:
Moore calling his fantasy piece “documentary” does not make it so. It was what it was, a fantasy/hatchet job.
Why are you so afraid of another point of view?
“2. The perception that the Good ol’ Boy network is going to profit from this and sticking it to the taxpayers. Not true.”
Joe – watching insiders get several times the value of their land (Tabu, Dancers, vacant lot) while outsiders get less than appraised value (ESS, Beltran Electric) tells me that the GOBN is reaping rewards from this project.
We haven’t seen who will get the construction etc work yet. So, how can you be su assured that concern is “Not true”?
By the way, wasn’t there supposed to be some big groundbreaking in WaterWalk with a private developer in August?
I think this is the place you meant, Heckler.
“Established in 1994, the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania conducts and disseminates research, hosts lectures and conferences, and convenes roundtable discussions that highlight important questions about the intersection of media, communication, and public policy.”
http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/
I had an nephew who went to Penn, and from what he says, it is not a conservative place.
I am still looking, but what I’ve found so far is that Annenberg did research where they reported that the public perceives Rush Limbaugh to be a “journalist”. Also, they report that Talk Radio listeners consume a wider variety of news sources than to non-listeners of Talk Radio. (Heckler, you weren’t thinking of these studies, were you?)
I will look some more, but when I perused the first 40 hits of a “limbaugh, annenberg” google search I did not find the study you claim is there. There were 34K hits on the said search, though.
Heckler, if you have a link to this accuracy finding, it would save some time for those of us interested in it.
I’m not afraid of any point of view GMC. I just question which ones we get to see and why.
Would you be in favor of equal time for a movie devoted to the conspiracy theory that bush was complicit in 911 GMC?
Oh and since you attacked Michael Moores movie GMC. I am gonna oblige you to point out any falsehoods in it.
JR:
Rush (and I’m no fan of Rush, BTW – haven’t heard his show in years), and others on the talk-radio right are on the air for one reason: people tune in.
NOTHING stops left-oriented talk radio from going on the air. Oh, the left tried that. Air America. It failed. Why? A “vast right-wing conspiracy?”
No.
It’s so simple, even a liberal can understand. Their ratings sucked; no one listened. No one listens, stations won’t carry the show, because it won’t generate advertisers to buy the ad spots.
Now it appears you seek to enforce by law what you cannot win in the marketplace of ideas. If liberal commentators want time on radio, great. Get a show, and generate listeners. It’s that simple.
If people don’t listen, those commentators would be off the air tomorrow. Wanna get Rush off the air? Convince enough people not to listen. If listeners stop tuning in , stations will drop him. It’s a business, pure and simple.
Question: Is Disney touting this 9-11 thing as objective journalism? That is the seminal issue. No one–especially Michael Moore–claimed F 911 was objective (funny thing, though: remove the opinion and speculation, and the hard facts held up pretty well).
It’s disturbing that lunatic-right talking heads dominate the “news” networks these days (with Keith Olbermann being possibly the lone exception). There was a time, not long ago, when a newstalk program actually had to adhere to some standards of journalism. There might be the host’s personal spin (there’s no such thing as complete objectivity), but you would leave feeling that at least there was a genuine attempt to inform, and to provide some understanding of all sides of an issue.
No more. Nancy O’Dobhannibeckielly’s crap is pure propaganda, and nearly content-free.
Cable McNews these days is tabloid fare, even the so-called “hard” news shows like Anderson Cooper 360. Crikey, I liked Steve Irwin, but we didn’t need to blather about his death for two solid days (genuine journalists would have found some REAL news)! I also heard a blurb on CNN, to the effect they were choosing their stories based on viewer surveys of WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE. Infotainment.
In this media climate, it’s small wonder that there are idiots who believe that Limbaugh–the one-man bullshit-machine–is accurate.
GMC–
What was in Farenheit 9-11 that was untrue?
Also, Air America hasn’t “failed.” Far from it, it’s more popular now than it’s ever been . . . its popularity is growing.
I almost forgot–right-wingers don’t need facts. They go with their intestines.
What did I do?Start some REAL debate here?hurray
Capn – the only problem with Farenheit 911 was that lousy actor they had portraying Bush. He was so imbecilic as to be totally unbelievable.
Know what I just remembered?
This new “docudrama” is to air on ABC.
ABC= Disney
Wasn’t it Disney that refused to screen Fahrenheit 911? Michael Moore was forced to go shopping for an independent producer to get his film screened.
Wouldn’t that indicate a running bias at ABC/Disney?
You ROCKED there Rage.
Yes JR.And I’m waiting for proof of all the “lies” in Moore’s film.Where is that long and proven list of falsehoods?Since he was a known liberal and biased, don’t you think he took extra care with the truth, since every shithouse right-wing political hack in country was gonna’ be lookin’ this over REAL CAREFUL??Huh?HA!
The latest radio ratings are in, and they show continued bad news for Air America, the liberal talk-radio network featuring Al Franken, Randi Rhodes, Janeane Garofolo, and others.While it is difficult to pinpoint Air America’s ratings nationally — it is on the air in about 50 stations across the country, and has been on some of them for just the last few months — it is possible to measure the network’s performance in the nation’s number-one market, New York City.The new Arbitron ratings for Winter 2005, which covers January, February, and March, show that WLIB, the station which carries Air America in New York, won a 1.2-percent share of all listeners 12 years and older. That is down one tenth of one point from the station’s 1.3 percent share in Winter 2004, the last period when it aired its old format of Caribbean music and talk.Air America debuted on March 31, 2004. In the network’s first quarter on the air, Spring of 2004, which covered April, May, and June, Air America won a 1.3-percent share of the market audience. That number rose slightly to 1.4 percent in the Summer 2004 July/August/September period, and fell back to 1.2 percent in the Fall 2004 October/November/December period, where it remains today.Those numbers are, again, for all listeners 12 years and older. Air America executives, however, often point to the network’s performance among listeners 25 to 54 years of age, the preferred demographic target for radio advertisers. But in that area, too, Air America is struggling.Between the hours of 10 A.M. and 3 P.M., the period that includes Al Franken’s program, Air America drew a 1.4-percent share of the New York audience aged 25 to 54 in Winter 2005. That number is the latest in a nearly year-long decline. In Spring of 2004, Air America’s first quarter on the air, it drew a 2.2-percent share of the audience. That rose to 2.3 percent in the Summer of 2004, then fell to 1.6 percent in the Fall of 2004, and is now 1.4 percent — Air America’s lowest-ever quarterly rating in that time and demographic slot.
Why does the right keep saying “Air America” is dead? Wishful thinking, maybe?
I don’t think you were acusing me of calling you a liar, Heckler, but just to be clear I was not. I believe you can be misguided sometimes, but I that is different from a liar in my books. I don’t think you knowingly distort reality. You may unknowingly do so. I, as well as about everybody I know, have been guilty of that particular “crime”.
Yeah, yeah, ya.Ratings are down.Whoop tee doo.Never listened, so they ain’t lost me.What about all those lies in Faranheit?
“Also, Air America hasn’t “failed.” Far from it, it’s more popular now than it’s ever been . . . its popularity is growing.
I almost forgot–right-wingers don’t need facts. They go with their intestines.”
Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 07, 2006 at 12:33 PM
What do left wingers go with?
The above post does not susport that its popularity is growing.
I’d be listening to Air America right now IF it were available.
KNSS would rather air the bloviating liar Rush Limbaugh.
Incidentally I am listening to him right now.
Remember the story in the media about the assistant coach who ran onto the field of his kids football game and DECKED an opposing player….a 13 year old child?
Well Rush Limbaugh just DEFENDED that assistant coach and vile child attacker!
Probably found out he was a bush voter!
I have heard only one side but I agree that the coach should not have done that BUT I AM INTERESTED IN WHAT THE PLAYER DID TO MAKE THE COACH GO OFF LIKE THAT? DOES ANYONE KNOW?
The biggest thing that kills Air America, in my opinion, is that the morons who run it refuse to return phone calls from parts of the country they consider “too conservative”.We wanted Al Franken, Jerry Springer and Jeanane Garafolo. They didn’t want us.So, we’re negotiating with other shows who do want on in Wichita.Hey, I tried.
“You ROCKED there Rage.”
Thank you, sir!***********I’ve listened to Air America via the Internet and I. . .got bored.
I think it’s good that there’s a liberal counterpart to right-wing blather-radio, but it’s still blather-radio.
RA, it DOES NOT MATTER what a 13yr old does, short of endangering someone’s life.HE IS A CHILD.Not capable yet of adult behavior.
The coach however cannot be allowed any excuse for beating a child, anywhere, for almost any reason.
Rage, I must agree.I like to think for myself, and explore what both sides feel is important.You know, Rush started this type of bloviating.Then Newt took over, and the GOP has been too extreme ever since.Remember Rush’s America held hostage countdown?And now they whine about the nasty left-wing bloggers.
There are not many stories that seem to attempt to be fair and balanced on the Air America ratings story. This from Wikipedia is the closest to that ideal that I could find:
“In Arbitron’s Winter 2006 ratings book, the most recent available as of May 2006, ratings at Air America stations nationwide average about a 1.2 share in markets for which Arbitron reports results four times a year (although this reflects the ratings received by each station as a whole, including any non-AAR programming stations carry between 6 a.m. and midnight as well). Some of the network’s highest ratings coming from stations in Portland, Oregon (where station KPOJ ranks second among AM stations and sixth overall); Seattle, Washington; and Madison, Wisconsin. Ratings for AAR affiliates have been low primarily in markets where stations have been hindered by signal limitations, such as Philadelphia, Boston, Atlanta, and Washington, DC.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_America_Radio
This probably shows what a hopeless midwesterner I am, but I find Randi Rhodes’ accent almost painful to listen to.
Rage is correct: Blather is Blather. When I listen to AA, what I hear is the left (and I am a card-carrying member) trying way too hard to show how liberal and cool they are. Franken and Garafolo are like any other comedians – funny in small doses. AA needs to calm down – a lot – and get some balance.
“RA, it DOES NOT MATTER what a 13yr old does, short of endangering someone’s life.HE IS A CHILD.Not capable yet of adult behavior.
The coach however cannot be allowed any excuse for beating a child, anywhere, for almost any reason.”
Posted by: TRACY | September 07, 2006 at 01:22 PM
TRACY, I AGREE WITH YOU 100%, BUT I WOULD STILL LIKE TO KNOW WHAT MADE THE COACH GO BALLISTIC.
IS THAT BAD?
I only ask that, I did NOT or do I defend the coach.
Why did you come down on me?
BTW, did anyone notice that Values Boy might finally be catching on about what the politicians – including his precious GOP – are doing to us?
“The 9/11 documentary is based on FACT…”
Heckler,
I’ll make a deal with you. I’ll agree with your above comment as soon as you admit that Moore’s F9/11 also is based on FACT.
Rush Limbaugh is on talk radio because he found dittoheads to be worth millions in his pocket.
He also found that his loyal dittoheads were willing to overlook the fact that he has been divorced and married several times, be addicted to painkillers, enter rehab and still be their dittohead idol.
Nothing Rush could do would ever anger dittoheads. It is just not in the sheep’s nature.
“Why are you so afraid of another point of view?”
GMC, I ask the same of you. Why are you afraid of another point of view?
Does anybody know what’s going on with all the planes from McConnell flying low this afternoon? I just heard two that had to have been fighters. Or one making a loop, maybe.
The media is NOT “conservative”. Media outlets are generally pro-wetback and pro war for israel and neither of those positions are “conservative”. The media is simply bought and paid for, treasonous and uber-KOSHER!
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Quote of the Day:
“Today, candor compels us to admit that our vaunted two-party system is a snare and a delusion, a fraud upon the nation. Our two parties have become nothing but two wings of the same bird of prey.” — Pat Buchanan
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!
SORRY RA.That’s the bad thing about blogging.You really can’t tell much without body language and expressions, anyway, no anger directed at you RA.Just my opinion of “coach”,and Limpballs, er, I mean Limbaugh.
RD
Here is southeast Wichita I am REALLY hearing and seeing those planes too.
Is there an air show this weekend they are rehearsing for?
JR,
I just checked with my son-in-law (USAF), who is off on medical leave today. Yes, it’s an air show. Thank goodness! Hearing fighters zooming overhead tends to make me a bit nervous.
McConnell’s Open House is this weekend. I’ve seen enough for a lifetime. My ex was KANG for 20 years. ;)
Sorry, let me make a correction. He said the planes were flying in today for tomorrow’s air show. Sounds to me like the boys are having a good time, not just ‘flying in.’ *grin*
RD
Yeah they are being REAL creative with their “approach”!
Right Angle–
Thanks for the bogus crap from the National Review.
I wouldn’t trust them if they said the Pope was Catholic.
Here are the actual numbers.
http://www.radioandrecords.com/radiomonitor/ratings/index.jsp
It’s showing WLIB in New York with a 1.1 rating for the Spring. That’s a few tenths up from its low and a few tenths lower than its high.
So in its biggest market, it’s stable.
Plus it keeps adding stations . . .
Sometimes I pity you right-wingers. Your sources are so full of sh*t, whacking you flat is like swatting flies.
Not much challenge . . .
sotheysaid—Ruffin not wanting a full casino? That can only be because he has fought for slot machines in his dog tracks a long time. Had no belief, legislators process was going to happen anyway. Sebelius better step up to having casino’s in Kansas and quit waffling on it. If we’re going to have them. Just increasing more slot machines is wrong for every “major” community. Cost of the casino license is $200 Million dollar investment I think.
A better casino would probably cost more. So communities wanting a casino will really take a chance trying to put one in their city.
Its right to limit the desire of communities that kind of investment in a casino. There are competition reasons keeping casino’s far apart, at least for now in Kansas.
So five casino licenses, seems proper to me. The investment has to be certain amount.
Ruffin is wrong to only place slot machines in this county, without us getting a chance to vote on it.
We would vote a desire to have a full casino. If he doesn’t want to step up and do that, we as voters can stop his slot machine desires at the dog track here. He’s arguing without our county voter support.
I don’t blame him because its crazy in Topeka with failed leadership on the idea. He’s only had the dog track process to fight for.
Things against Wichita, with half of something or redlined completely out is wrong.
If we’re getting gambling in Sedgwick County we need a full casino.
Now with the Rev Terry Fox in the Wild West Park every Sunday, Dee Stuart can kiss her dream of a casino in Park City goodbye.
CapnAmerica
Here is some more “bogus crap” from the Christian Science Monitor
Why Air America doesn’t flyBy Brian C. AndersonThe Christian Science Monitor
NEW YORK ‚Äì The liberal Air America Radio, just past its first birthday, has probably enjoyed more free publicity than any other enterprise in recent history. But don’t believe the hype: Air America’s left-wing answer to conservative talk radio is failing, just as previous efforts to find liberal Rush Limbaughs have failed.Wait a second, you say, didn’t I read that Air America has expanded to more than 50 markets? That’s true, but let’s put things in perspective: The morning talk show hosted by William Bennett, conservative pundit and former Reagan administration official, launched at the same time as Air America and reaches nearly 124 markets, including 18 of the top 20, joining the growing ranks of successful right-of-center talk programs (Mr. Limbaugh is still the ratings leader, drawing more than 15 million listeners a week).And look at Air America’s ratings: They’re pitifully weak, even in places where you would think they’d be strong. WLIB, its flagship in New York City, has sunk to 24th in the metro area Arbitron ratings – worse than the all-Caribbean format it replaced, notes the blog “radioequalizer.” In the liberal meccas of San Francisco and Los Angeles, Air America is doing lousier still
Actually, I am not at all surprised that AA doesn’t do all that well. While the Righties are lemmings who need dopehead Rush to tell them what to think (his words) those of us on the other side can think for ourselves. What I would like to see is some ‘mixed’ talk radio. Years ago KNSS used to do that before Jeffthro J Yawn purged all left-of-center talkers from the lineup.
Air America Loses Another One
Posted by Greg Sheffield on August 28, 2006 – 16:10.
Liberal radio network Air America has lost another station, this time in Chattanooga, TN. The reason: lack of viewers and advertisers.
The failure of Air America across the U.S. is because the liberal mindset does not fit well with lengthy radio shows. For an ideology based on emotions, the show goes on well after the liberal listener’s daily emotional outburst has subsided.
Reports Chattanooga.com:
Chattanooga’s oldest radio station, WDOD, has ended its 11-month experiment with progressive talk radio.At 10 a.m. this past Monday, the station switched to a format featuring musical oldies and standards from the late 1950s and the 1960s and 1970s, according to Danny Howard, director of programming and operations for WDEF and WDOD….
The decision to drop Air America talk show programming grew out of the format’s failure to attract adequate advertiser support, Mr. Howard said.
The fact that Air America is only a few years old and has been through some tumultuous times made it more difficult to attract advertisers and listeners, he said.
“I think they will continue to do well in some markets, but we thought it was time to try something else here,” he said.
When the radio network fails even in the liberal bastion of New York City, it is obvious that Howard is being diplomatic by saying Air America will “continue to do well in some markets.”
Brian C. AndersonAir America DeflatesThe “progressive” radio network isn’t long for this world.29 April 2006
Just past its second birthday, Air America, the Left’s great hope to defeat the Right in the talk radio wars, has no reason to celebrate. Winter 2006 Arbitron ratings, leaked to Matt Drudge earlier this week and reported in greater detail by the invaluable Radio Equalizer blog, show Air America registering a weak 1.0 share in Los Angeles, an even tinier share in Chicago, and a catastrophic drop in New York City, where flagship station WLIB hemorrhaged nearly half its listenership over the last ratings period, falling from a mediocre 1.4 to a pathetic 0.8 share. That’s smaller than the all-Caribbean format the network replaced when it first launched in New York and nowhere near the ratings of conservative heavyweights like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity in the city. Air America’s Gotham numbers are so dismal that WLIB is booting the network off the station later this summer, industry publication Mediaweek has just announced.
Yeah, heh, Brian C. Anderson seems to have made a career out of predicting Air America’s quick demise.
I had to do a “-Anderson” search on Google to get past all the gloom-and-doom this guy has spewed about Air America.
BTW, there are a lot of other left-of-center radio hosts out there that AREN’T on Air America.
Mike Malloy is one. Howard Stern, although he isn’t all that political, has finally come around to hating Bush’s guts, like every other sentient being.
BTW, that article is dated April of 2006 . . . and it’s now September of 2006.
And Air America is still not dead.
Well, he can always dust it off and republish it next year and the year after that . . .
And when’s the date on that Christian Science Monitor article also written by the ubiquitus Brian C. Anderson?
Why didn’t you include the date, Right Angle?
Maybe because its OVER A YEAR AND A HALF OLD and none of the dire predictions that Brian C. Anderson made have come true?
Hey, that’s like Bush in IRAQ!
No wonder you like the guy.
Oh, man, it’s just too easy, Right Angle. Quit swimming in a barrel and maybe you wouldn’t be so easy to shoot.
Re: The football coach who clocked a 13-year-old
Maybe he is just a short-tempered jerk, the same kind of parent/coach you can see any day at any kid’s game – baseball, football, soccer…
>purged all left-of-center talkers from the lineup.<
Not entirely true. I think Colmes gets a few hours of graveyard time, still.
Perhaps jack – a token after-midnight presence.
“The failure of Air America across the U.S. is because the liberal mindset does not fit well with lengthy radio shows. For an ideology based on emotions, the show goes on well after the liberal listener’s daily emotional outburst has subsided.”
That’s correct. We don’t need the opiate of druggie Rush and his bunch to tell us what to think.
Perhaps jack – a token after-midnight presence.
“The failure of Air America across the U.S. is because the liberal mindset does not fit well with lengthy radio shows. For an ideology based on emotions, the show goes on well after the liberal listener’s daily emotional outburst has subsided.”
That’s correct. We don’t need the opiate of druggie Rush and his bunch to tell us what to think.
“And when’s the date on that Christian Science Monitor article also written by the ubiquitus Brian C. Anderson?”
Brian C. Anderson is very partisan and not one to go to if you want an unbiased opinion.
See his profile here:
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/anderson.htm
Dems are independent thinkers, and have already reached many of the conclusions Air America can come up with on their own. We don’t need a program for talking points.
Today’s anti-Ian quote:
“Hitler’s appeal to greed and sloth, to increase German prosperity without requiring Germans to work for it, led into the Holocaust because confiscating Jewish property seemed to make sense to the greedy.”
Suzanne Fields
Steven,
That quote is ridiculous, the Germans anre the most hardworking and industrious of La Raza Blanco!! The silly, stunned, delusional kikess who uttered that quote should give her head a shake; with a baseball bat!
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
It seems as if the days of holohoaxing for fun and profit may be coming to an end. Oh when the myths come tumblin’ down! lmosrfao
New 4-hour documentary shows ‘extermination camp’ stories to be fabricated
In 1999, a detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, found no evidence of mass graves where Holocaust historians say more than half a million Jews lay buried.
The forensic team used Ground Penetration Radar and found no evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, it found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes.
The following video deals with this issue, as well as related tales of extermination. It’s not only thought-provoking, but certainly provides prima facia evidence that there is, indeed, a huge disconnect between the facts and the propaganda dished out for WW2.
Available for download in flv, avi, mp4, and wmv formats.
Download options page
Download page for smaller, split segments
Direct download of 1 gig avi file (may have to cut and paste link) (4 hr 15 min 20 sec)
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
Annenberg
I’m digging. I didn’t know Annenberg is connected to FactCheck.org.
Annenberg is connected to everything . Holy Cow this must be a conspiracy!
Jr
Fairness Doctrine ehh?
What’s the matter, Cant compete in the market place of ideas? Need government to make everything better for you? Ohh poor baby.
Good point Steve about Anderson. One should not claim that just because a paper publishes a column that the opinion represents that publication. Broad-based publications like the CSM and NYTimes publish a wide range of opinion; unlike the far-right publications like NatRev or FrontPage.com.
By the way heckler – I too would like to see substantiation of your claim above. I used to listen to Rush and found him 100% wrong on science facts. I have to extrapolate to guess at his accuracy rate in other areas in which I am not a professional.
Seems the Senate Democrats don’t like free speech.
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=262624&
Let me translate for you.
FUCK Free Speech. You don’t get to speak unless we like what you have to say.
And you people worry about Republicans stiffling free speech. When’s the last time you heard them threaten to pull someones broadcats license?
Ben
Still digging on the Limbaugh thing. Lot’s of stuff.
You have to differentiate between what he states as fact, and his commentary. Sometimes that’s tough if you don’t listen to him regularly.
The dems want the miniseries to drop anything that makes this thing seem legitimate…mainly using the 911 commission as a selling point, when it is so blantantly politically biased.
Oh the market place has its ways to fight back too!
One of the chief reasons I monitor talk radio (other than knowing what you right wing morons will post later that day) is so I can keep track of the sponsors both local and national. I then boycott those sponsors and let them know why.
Usually.
heh heh
Willie C’s at least USED to have a “Rush Room”. I don’t know if that is still the case as I no longer go there.
Last time I went, I ordered three appetizers and a big meal. Then, as my order started to arrive, I complained that Rush had killed my appetite and walked out without paying!
JR, that’s asinine. Really, a crime, theft of services rendered and the servers probably got ripped, no money, no tip, the cost was taken out of their check and its ownership who you hated.
Rush sucks but thats going overboard. I never once listened to his radio show since he began.
He did some commentary on CBS, missed that. Bush gave a speech all these years, hadn’t seen or heard one live. Just clips of Bush I can’t control not to see.
Be sane and cut listening to talk radical radio. We see the wants and desires of Rush in the White House and Bush make go down as one of the worst Presidents ever, says historians.
This aint no pillow fight Mrage. You have to hit these conservative bastards where they live and that is right in their fat wallet.
Besides, I did not know when I went in that I would be sharing my meal with that fat blustering pig Limbaugh. My complaint was legitimate.
Rush is alright! The left would like to shut him up because he is effective at bringing out the lies and tatics of leftist. Yeah! He’s one sided, but that his business.
Today was the first actual day I saw Katie Couric hosting the evening news. On Tuesday I just listen to it on the radio. But I was home early enough today to watch on tv. I don’t follow Katie Couric nor watch the morning show. She did ok! Doesn’t come across as a real national anchor person, but like a weekend local news anchor.
You can also tell she’s a heavy smoker. She’s got those smoker lines around her mouth and that tight and thin smokers neck. Her teeth is a bit dingy.
I know I’m going overboard on the looks, but with the passing away of Peter Jennings (a great person) who died from lung cancer and Katie supposely being a big cancer advocate herself, you would think she would lay off the cigerattes.
But innocents were affected..because they worked at Willy’s maybe they hated Rush too. Stick to the people who control the problem. Like the management directly.
I’m affected since 2000 and rage is now in me. But I’m controlling it only in words, I know their scheming and society is suffering.
We’re going to survive Rush, Bush, its a headache and we pray this country will gain more friends around the world despite him. I know people overseas who dislike Bush but not Americans in general.
They can’t understand how the guy was re-elected. We don’t know how the guy was elected in 2000. California and some other states are trying to get out of the electoral college. Popular vote leader, wins the election.
Why did 9/11 happen, foreign enemies like Osama knew exactly who Bush was, because he did business with his family, his older brother.
It was a personal attack and I’m not sure if it would have happened if Bush lost the election of 2000. Its something when anger grows out of control to punish a specific thing. If Bush didn’t hate Osama when he became President, that was a mistake, because his familarity that family in Saudi Arabia.
I don’t know if history tells that, did Bush not consider Osama a dangerous threat those months before 9/11. He was traveling so much out of office. ENRON was blowing up. Stock fraud was raging.
Those six months from the Nov. election to 9/11 should be made a movie, what was going wrong nearly everyday in this country. Big stories, huge problems consumers and voters being ripped off. The machine had taken over and Bush was glad handing and celebrating across the country. Cheney was in the White House doing evil with energy traders. Selling our energy soul and it continued until the decesion to raid Iraq, take the oil away from Saddam plan. Easy, said Cheney.
The worse ever, tax cuts, fed social programs lose money, direct cause and effect. Didn’t stop corporations from outsourcing, lay offs, more money in corporate wallets. Executives made more and more at the expense of workers.
Without Eliot Spitzer, Bush allowed stock fraud by choosing weak SEC figureheads. Didn’t put a scientist head of the EPA. FERC, the energy board was proven corrupt by Bush appointies because they helped energy companies committ fraud. Trying to destablize California utilities.
The alphabet FBI, CIA, Home Land Security, we have no privacy anymore, while they have become paranoid of Americans. Torture was allowed on prisoners until the Federal Court said that was wrong. Spying on Americans without a court order is wrong.
Katrina proves everything went wrong in Washington.
Mrage! Did Osama knew about Clinton when the 1st attack on the World Trade Center happended, or the Corbal Towers, USA Embassies in Africa, USS Cole or is it still Bush and revenage for Bush?
Did Bush cause the terrorist to bomb Bali, Spain, London, Moscow and etc? Or is it revenage for Bush.
You are usually a bright guy, but I think you played it a little to far this time.
I suggest you read “The World is Flat” by Thomas Friedman (a man that isn’t Bush friendly, just to get a start back to reality.
While Bush sucks! And I get it, he is by far not the worse problem we face in America.
You guys make it out that Bush is the enemy. He’s not! He sucks, but isn’t going to take this nation down.
Americans can survive bad Presidencies like Bush and Carter. But they aren’t are worst problem.
“Steven,
“That quote is ridiculous, the Germans anre the most hardworking and industrious of La Raza Blanco!! The silly, stunned, delusional kikess who uttered that quote should give her head a shake; with a baseball bat!
“Viva La Raza Blanco!!”
Ian, PLEASE keep posting, you prove my points. Bless your pointed head…
Has anyone else purchased the graphic version of the 9/11 report? I thought the first version was the best $10 I have ever spent, but this graphic version is just great!
Is my opinion just due to my male mind, or is there something universal about this work? Would like to hear from others.
Where have you gone, XXX, a nation turns it lonely eyes to you (a rip off from Simon and Garfunkel)?
The first attack on those Twin Towers is WSU fault! At the least the driver of that truck, a plotter in that plan came to America through WSU and they lost track of him. That Egyptian cleric was proved to be leader of that plan.
All those Osama attacks in the world didn’t happen here. We got attacked directly because Osama had vengeance against Bush, he hated his own family that dealt with the guy.
I know its a conspiracy leap but there is evidence to prove it. Did Bush leading Arbusto with Osama brother, teach Arthur Andersen how to do ENRON style accounting early on, so Bush got rich on failed oil company. Bush used those profits to become Texas Rangers management personality but the most minor ownership.
I don’t hate Bush, but he’s the worst President in this century so far. Cheney I really dislike. He’s made so much profit from Haliburton its amazing. Gave the corp first fed deals to supply troops in Iraq. A plan he hatched. All of it set up by Cheney. All of it a lie and fraud happened. A war of fraud in Iraq beyond getting Saddam out of power.
I know Tom Friedman talks, haven’t read his books. He’s passionate but time will tell in the Middle East, the what and why everything has gone wrong. I hope Tom starts at the beginning, when Reagan sent Rumsfeld to shake Saddam’s hand.
It’s been wrong in Iraq since that day. Reagan wanted an oil friend and to war against Iran for us. Saddam had been a tyrant since the late 70’s when he came to power, murdering people. Didn’t the CIA know that?
Oil desire was so powerful, a friend on OPEC, to just discount the evil of Saddam, shake his hand.
Amazing American history moment and Rumsfeld now with his finger in Iraq, its a mess. He’s made a mess in history. The worse political tools Rumsfeld and Cheney.
Iraq started with Reagan wanting to beat Jimmy Carter in 1980. Reagan and Daddy Bush were both there foaming at the mouth to get the power and they bellied up to Saddam then to be his best friends.
Ok! That’s cool! YOu made some good points.
Heckler – any progress on substantiating your Annenberg claim?
Ben
Still digging when I get a free minute.
I guess we can be comforted in that JR, who will not work for fear of being exploited, isn’t in a good position to conduct an effective economic boycott.
JOHNSON–If you want to just do personal insults, why not send him an email.Or better yet, I’ll play the game with ya’.How big a’ ol’ boy are ya’, anyway?
Hey “Johnson” is your email live? “J@J.com”? I don’t think so. Mine is kiddo. Wanna take it personal?
I got the best boss in the world by the way. I work for me.
That remark you made. “SD” has made it too. How many nics you got little one?
SD said I could borrow that remark.
And no, I certainly don’t want to get “personal” with anyone here.
JR, I apologize if I was insulting. I was relying on what I read from you before in public on this system. That’s not personal, is it? It’s not an insult either, as far as I can tell. To comment on something someone said in public?
Gee heckler – where did you get tht claim in the first place?
JOHNSON. DON’T BE COY.That was an insult and you know it.Yes you can pick up personal tidbits about the regulars right here. That does not make it open season on our personal lives.If you wanna’ play blogger and have anybody actually read your crap then don’t even go there.
It ain’t funny.
“Good point Steve about Anderson. One should not claim that just because a paper publishes a column that the opinion represents that publication.”
The Eagle publishes letters from the Flint Hills Public Policy Institute, also. That agency is the propaganda arm of the Koch Industries & its views don’t match what many of the editors at the Eagle seem to believe.
Heckler,I could not find anything that substantiated the “accuracy” claim. The Annenberg story that many people thought that Limbaugh was a journalist got a lot of secondary coverage. I am wondering if that was what you saw. I am not sure how one could measure “accuracy” very easily.
And to be clear, peoples’ misperception that Limbaugh is a journalist, would not mean that he provided more accurate stories than journalists.