I’m not really too sure…early 50’s, I think. Which is kinda old for a nutroots Deaniac, but he was on the bandwagon verrry early. Went up to Iowa and the whole nine yards.

And what’s wrong with clove cigarettes? Granted, I’m not a clove lover, but they’re a darn sight better than tobacco as far as health is concerned. Or so I’ve been told. :)

Nope, but he’s got a lot of artsy-fartsy friends that do (he lives up in KC). Most of ‘em wear all black clothing, too…like Dieter on the old SNL skit. No need to parody stuff like that.

But does he smoke CLOVE cigarettes?

I don’t think he can be a true liberal if he doesn’t smoke CLOVE cigarettes.

Not me, that would be jew-gas Ed. One of my best friends is a latte-sipping northeastern jew liberal; I don’t think he went to NYU, but he does read the NYT and was an raving Deaniac before it was cool.

Remember, Tom is the one in “what’s the matter with kansas” who noted that most knuckle dragging righties think of anyone left of Spiro Agnew is a “latte sipping northeastern jew liberal who went to NYU and reads the NYT.”

Js, yer busted. Yer reading and quoting Thomas Frank.

Or are you just the kinda guy who is a parody in Frank’s writing?

heheheheheheh

You don’t even bother to come up with your own insults, you just recycle the old ones.

I was in Watermark books as recently as last Saturday. I enjoyed some of their fine coffee and a cupcake. I don’t know if they had lattes or not.

No one was smoking anything because it’s a smoke-free store, which is kind of smart with piles of flammable books around.

Clove cigarettes?

You should really meet a liberal sometime so you don’t have to say things that make you look like an idiot.

Oops . . . too late.

Some of us knuckle-dragging righties are semi-literate. Educated, even. Even if we don’t hang out in bookstores, or smoke clove cigarettes.

I saw Joe’s attack on you. I did not respond because I did not want to lend ANY of my “voice” to his beknighted one.

He certainly owes you and this forum an apology.

Who says I don’t, Capn? I do sometimes, but really prefer amazon, since you can generally get the same books for about half what you can at Border’s or B&N. It’s been years since I was in Watermark, but I can’t imagine their prices are very good.

I was really fairly impressed by Seventh-Day Books when I went in there recently. But they didn’t have the lattes and other pretensions you lefties love so much about your bookstores.

One would expect conservatives to like and support tradition. But among purported conservatives, it is important to make a distinction between traditional and neoconservatives. From their origins (be it followers of Leon Trotsky or of Leo Strauss), neoconservatives have seen the Christian tradition as an alien, even a threatening, one. As for the classical tradition, their view of it has been formed by the decidedly untraditional interpretation of classical philosophy given by Strauss. The only Western tradition that neoconservatives want to defend is the Enlightenment. In recent years, they have wanted to advance it in the rest of the world with the establishment of a kind of American empire. This is not a conservative project but a radical and revolutionary one.

The true defenders of the Western traditions will be the traditional conservatives. They are able to recognize that the central and crucial tradition of Western civilization is the Christian tradition, which has carried on the best elements of the classical tradition, while subordinating them to a higher Biblical truth. Christianity, in other words, kept the other Western traditions in balance. Perhaps in our time it is the calling of those few traditional conservatives found within the educated elite to reach out to the large numbers of Christians within their wider population, to help deepen their understanding of the major issues before us, and to give voice to their Christian — and Western convictions.

The protagonists of the contemporary version of the Enlightenment may think that they will create a universal civilization, both abroad and at home, but the evidence is accumulating that they have instead opened the doors to the barbarians, both without (e.g., Islamic terrorists) and within (e.g., pagan disregard for human life.)

The best defense against the new barbarians will be found in the Christian religion, for with it, Western civilization became the most creative, indeed the highest, civilization in human history. With a revival of the Christian tradition, Western civilization would not only prevail over the new barbarians, but it would become more truly civilized.

http://www.grecoreport.com/western_civilization_and_christianity1.htm

Will,

As it is, the entire world thinks the citizens of the U.S. are brainless for voting for Bush a second time. There’s not a whole lot I can do about everyone else. I’m accountable for what I do. Maybe those who did vote for Bush should open their eyes and take a fresh look and take the responsibility by, first, voting, and second, voting with an eye on what will happen if continue on the path we’re on now.

It’s kind of like that kid in class who acted up, and the entire class was disciplined for it. It isn’t fair, but that’s the way it is. We, as a nation, are all now responsible for the actions of a few. Now do you understand why those who opposed the invasion of Iraq and oppose Bush are feeling grumpy? We’re being punished for something we didn’t do. But then, that’s politics, isn’t it?

Let me be the first to say for all us “lefties,” thanks for not shopping at bookstores.

Reading is so confusing, isn’t it?

Much easier just to listen to your drug-addled idol, Rush Limpballs . . .

So you believe what Osama bin Laden says eh?

See, I don’t.

His “priorities” are not my priorities. He may say Iraq is World War III.

I say it’s a waste of money and lives in a pissant country that has the misfortune of sitting on top of a helluva lot of oil.

There’re only two outcomes in Iraq–neither good. One, the US succeeds in installing a puppet dictator like Saddam Hussein who can hold the country together or two, Iraq fragments into three balkanized countries.

The latter is much more likely to happen than the former. As a result the Sunni minority will be cut out of the oil revenue and fight like tigers to get it back, while the Shi’a will align themselves more closely to the Shi’a in Iran.

George W. really f*cked us.

We can’t stay cause we’re seriously losing people and money. We can’t leave because we need the oil.

Probably the best we could hope for is a phased US withdrawl to be replaced by UN troops.

Maybe we could pump the oil dry and then leave. After the oil is gone, Iraq is of no concern to us whatsoever.

I try to stay informed. This means understanding the “other side”. I “report” to those I know and my fellow bloggers here. I share information without deceit or omission.

Why do you decry the exposure of information as you did above.?

I’m just curious.

Um “Jack”?

“Ummm…..to take a line from you frothing-at-the-mouth lefties… I DON’T FUCKING CARE!!!”

Hey “Jack” do a bonedig to find that particular sentiment from a “lefty”.

It’s mostly the right that froths hereabouts “Jack”. Your last was pretty foamy! Go bark at the Moon and let us grownups handle stuff ‘k?

Terry Fox has inflicted himself on laws and society. I say that makes him and his activities a matter for public discourse.

Why is it that the some on the right disagree? You’d rather we no notice?

Ummm…..to take a line from you frothing-at-the-mouth lefties… I DON’T FUCKING CARE!!! I don’t go to church, I don’t listen to Terry Fox (I’ll the ‘monitoring’ to you, pal…do you have a life?), and somehow I STILL vote Republican.

But you and the rest of your ilks are free to work yourselves into a dither over it. Write books about it, if you wish. Buy and read those books. Go sit on a folding chair at Watermark or Borders, sip latte, go outside and smoke clove cigarettes, and congratulate yourselves on the superiority of your intellect and your enlightened views. Rant about it on blogs.

We on the Dark Side love it when you do that, BTW.